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5 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Just because I mentioned the flat earth doesn't make this tread about the Flat Earth. This thread is about the Psychological warfare that the governments of the world have been using against us for decades.

 

Salient and apropos reasoning, LadyGrace'sDaddy!!!

 

Regarding the flat earth, interesting concept and worth looking into alternate considerations. The variation in the orientation of the Milky Way Galaxy depending on the location on earth and seasons indicates the earth is spherical (geoidal) in shape, spins at a rate of one (1) rev/day, and rotates around the sun at a rate of once (1)/year. This explains the seasons being the earth's poles are shifted nominally twenty-three (23) degrees off perpendicular of the plane of travel around the sun.

 

Here is a supporting article.

 

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/orientation-of-the-earth-sun-and-solar-system-in-the-milky-way.888643/

 

Here are some neat pics of the Milky Way noting a differing orientation based on position on earth and season.

 

http://darksitefinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/IGP2264-Edit-683x1024.jpg

 

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http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2019/05/a52c62_1ab4799f39a44ab2b998fadb0e4db9e8_mv2_d_3000_2003_s_2-800x534.jpg

 

Image result for view milky way equator hemisphere

 

If the earth was flat, I am not sure the differing orientation of the Milky Way Galaxy could be explained or seasons for that matter especially since the North and South Poles experience apposing seasons with corresponding sunlight conditions.

 

This is to illustrate the need to determine the basic, undeniable, and irrefutable basis for a technical or principled position.

 

Which, of course, THEE "noted" "poster" does NOT have a basic, undeniable, AND irrefutable basis for ANY principled position.

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Please feel free to explain the process of using ever in motion Polaris (1 degree +/-) based triangulation to traverse, and accompanying time cubes, 3000 page reference manuals, to calculate azimuth i

Thank you for your sideshow commentary. However, if you have nothing legitimate to add please go away. I'm attempting to reveal something some consider serious. And I'd prefer you not muddy the waters

Whether you're talking about the Flat Earth or a super secret computer generated plot to enslave the world, Hollywood loves to drop hints as to what is the reality of the world that we live in.

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22 hours ago, Synopsis said:

 

Salient and apropos reasoning, LadyGrace'sDaddy!!!

 

Regarding the flat earth, interesting concept and worth looking into alternate considerations. The variation in the orientation of the Milky Way Galaxy depending on the location on earth and seasons indicates the earth is spherical (geoidal) in shape, spins at a rate of one (1) rev/day, and rotates around the sun at a rate of once (1)/year. This explains the seasons being the earth's poles are shifted nominally twenty-three (23) degrees off perpendicular of the plane of travel around the sun.

 

Here is a supporting article.

 

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/orientation-of-the-earth-sun-and-solar-system-in-the-milky-way.888643/

 

Here are some neat pics of the Milky Way noting a differing orientation based on position on earth and season.

 

http://darksitefinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/IGP2264-Edit-683x1024.jpg

 

Image result for view milky way equator hemisphere

 

Image result for view milky way equator hemisphere

 

http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2019/05/a52c62_1ab4799f39a44ab2b998fadb0e4db9e8_mv2_d_3000_2003_s_2-800x534.jpg

 

Image result for view milky way equator hemisphere

 

If the earth was flat, I am not sure the differing orientation of the Milky Way Galaxy could be explained or seasons for that matter especially since the North and South Poles experience apposing seasons with corresponding sunlight conditions.

 

This is to illustrate the need to determine the basic, undeniable, and irrefutable basis for a technical or principled position.

 

Which, of course, THEE "noted" "poster" does NOT have a basic, undeniable, AND irrefutable basis for ANY principled position.

I appreciate your input my friend, Nevertheless, it would be wrong of me to not point out to you what I did for Shabbs. Having said that you both have helped me, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit", to see the next direction this thread is meant to take. 

 

I write these words as one doing his best to listen to the Holy Spirit. 

That is NOT TO SAY that I am some kind of profit, for I can assure everyone that I am not. But I do live my life by How the Spirit leads me as best I understand. 

I have spent my entire life trying to understand the scriptures and what exactly they mean. Lets be honest sometimes understanding the word isn't exactly as easy as said. One of those scriptures that has always been a source of confusion was 

2 Thessalonians 2: 10-12

 

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

I am personally thinking that through this thread I now have a better understanding of what that scripture means. I have already shown that without question all the media sources we get our information from is being manipulated to control what we think and even what we do. 

Furthermore, I've shown that the original sources for this kind of manipulation was the CIA via Operation MK Ultra.

But what exactly was the reason for this kind of operation? 

I suspect that 2 Thessalonians 2: 10-12 may hold the answer. 

 

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;

In verse 10 we see that the cause of the deception is the deceit and unrighteousness of the people.

It is without a doubt that Television and all forms of communications have many purposes and that deception and unrighteousness would be at the lead.

And there can be little question that nearly all that we are shown via this form of communication has little to do with righteousness. Likewise we intentionally watch this media with the specific intent of being deceived, only today we call that 

"Entertainment". 

 

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

The love of the truth being not only the word of God, but the guidance of the Spirit of God. Whereby we may know that we're being manipulated by the leaders of the world via all media outlets. Which is why few people even reading this post will accept what I'm attempting to convey.

For most people to say that  "God talks to you" is to admit your own insanity.

 

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

 

And that lie is everything you are being told to believe. 

Via psychological warfare and MK Ultra mind control we have been fed a long list of lies for over one hundred years. And the end result of that is found in the very people who will belligerently attack anything or anyone that attempts to shine the light of truth onto the lies of Satan. 

 

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

 

And what is that "unrighteousness"?

95% of everything that we receive via media serves its own good. 

And none of it serves the will of God. Is it really that hard to believe?

Think about the average movie, how many murders do we witness in just one show. Or how many sex scenes, and how much debauchery of all manner? Hollywood has turned such things from something that just a 150 yrs ago would never have been tolerated, into something to be desired as a form of intentional deception and escape. 

Nevertheless, today the people of the world not only tolerate such things, we actually "take pleasure in unrighteousness" of watching them under the banner of 

ENTERTAINMENT.

 

We are all guilty of this sin. But what is worse is the fact that we are not willing to change our ways by changing the channel. 

We have been made addicted to major media and we don't want the cure. We don't even want to consider it. 
Thus we are doomed to suffer the consequences of our actions and die as slaves of the evil masters that rule this world. Never realizing that the world is about to take a radicle change. 

 

No we would rather argue about the shape of the earth as we are told by the masters. We will defend our position to the death because we are blinded by the "Strong Delusion" that was promised by God. 

And in so doing we never realize how little and insignificant we have become.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I write these words as one doing his best to listen to the Holy Spirit. 

 

Great perspective, LadyGrace'sDaddy!!!

 

Thank You for sharing.

 

I do believe it starts, continues, and completes with HIM.

 

Matthew 16:15-17

New International Version

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

 

John 10:3

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3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

 

John 10:7-10

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7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

 

John 10:27-30

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27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will ****** them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can ****** them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

 

John 14:6

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6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

 

John 14:9

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9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

 

Isaiah 30:21

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21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”

 

1 Timothy 4:1

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4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

 

Hebrews 3:7-9

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Warning Against Unbelief

7 So, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
8     do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
    during the time of testing in the wilderness,
9 where your ancestors tested and tried me,
    though for forty years they saw what I did.

 

Hebrews 10:15-16

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15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
    after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
    and I will write them on their minds.”[a]

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Footnotes

Hebrews 10:16 Jer. 31:33

 

Revelation 2:7

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7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

 

Revelation 2:11

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11 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

 

Revelation 2:17

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17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

 

Revelation 2:29

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29 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

Revelation 3:6

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6 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

Revelation 3:13

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13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

Revelation 3:22

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22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

 

Revelation 14:13

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13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

Ephesians 1:15-23

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Thanksgiving and Prayer

15 For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all God’s people, 16 I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. 17 I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit[a] of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. 18 I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

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Ephesians 1:17 Or a spirit

 

The reason for posting these Scriptures is to show God The Father, God The Son Jesus Christ, and God The Holy Spirit all speak to us seemingly in specific ways.

 

Jesus calls HIS sheep out by name and each of HIS sheep recognize HIS voice and follow HIM.

 

A contrast to agendas and medias seeking to and actually influencing us.

 

Not to downplay the agenda we may or may not be aware of influencing each of us in a variety of different ways, the enticement to corruption has always been before mankind.

 

Jeremiah 17:2

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2 Even their children remember
    their altars and Asherah poles[a]
beside the spreading trees
    and on the high hills.

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Footnotes

Jeremiah 17:2 That is, wooden symbols of the goddess Asherah

Jeremiah 17:2 in all English translations

 

Asherah poles were the pornography of the day. People have always had a propensity toward the same sins. The media may have changed or expanded but is pretty much the same.

 

There is a choice.

 

To look or not to look.

 

To participate or not to participate.

 

To cleanse or not to cleanse.

 

To live out righteousness or not to live out righteousness.

 

To advocate righteousness or not to advocate righteousness.

 

James 4:17

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17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.

 

Eternal Life in Jesus Christ is incomparably wonderful.

 

Eternal Death apart from Jesus Christ is incomparably tormenting.

 

Realizing both, being joyful with the Born Again in God The Son Jesus Christ with fellow believers is very much worth celebrating.

 

Alternately, a heart of humility and sorrow for the passively ignorant even warning the active perpetrators of lies.

 

Titus 1:12-14

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12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.

 

1 Timothy 1:3-7

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Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

Well, OK, I have NEVER been noted for brevity or being concise, er, NOT often at least.

 

I would like, though, to affirm what You posted noted the REAL agenda is kept AND communicated by HIM.

 

Am I listening???!!!

 

AND.

 

Of Course.

 

Following???!

 

HIM.

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Thanks for sharing LGD and Synopsis .....I find 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2, particularly verses 11 & 12 are quite extraordinary and the implications profound. Initially this scripture helped me resolve some consternation I felt toward the events prior to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt. If indeed we are all granted free will as part of our package deal on earth, why would God choose to harden pharaoh's seemingly against that one attribute that makes humankind a unique creation. The “strong delusion” of Thessalonians chapter 2 may be a parallel event of the same nature as it does “seal” the fate of those that “did not love the truth”. While perplexing, the answer may just lie in God's sovereignty and fore knowledge of how events will unfold. The scriptures are full of mysteries, and we may be best leaving some questions unanswered if they don't touch on eternity and only serve to divide. And yes, The Holy Spirit is an awesome and priceless gift from God and should be our first “go to” to lead us thru this sometimes strange and unforgiving world. That being said, I believe we also should exercise caution as to how we cast our relationship with Him on to others as we all walk a unique path and the relationship is personal. Although we all presently see “thru a glass darkly”, we can be assured that He will meet each and everyone of us exactly where we are at if we seek Him....”Knock and it shall be opened”. Blessings!

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5 minutes ago, DinarDavo said:

If indeed we are all granted free will as part of our package deal on earth, why would God choose to harden pharaoh's seemingly against that one attribute that makes humankind a unique creation

I indeed love your response as it shows the mind of one seeking the Kingdom of God first. For me the reason that Pharaoh's heart was harden was because God already knew that he would never change. But then again why the need to harden the heart? Things that make you wonder. However, one thing that we don't need to wonder about is the sinful nature of all that comes to us via our screens. All I'm trying to show here is how they do what they do and how that has conditioned us to not want to "wake up" as it were. 

Thus we must all seek the Holy Spirit for guidance and understand first and foremost that nothing we see here is real. 

 

We are living in the last days and if that is true then we are surrounded by an evil so strong and so powerful so as to be able not only to blind us from the reality of truth but also capable of instilling within us the desire to not want to wake up. So much so that if it were possible it could fool even the elect. 

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On 2/15/2021 at 3:16 PM, Synopsis said:

If the earth was flat

I come in Peace -

 

If we were ever expanding like NASA says we are then the north star would never be seen again.

 

Instead we see the North star at the same point nightly.

 

So exactly that we can navigate from it today like we have for thousands of years.

 

nasa says that we are spinning around at about 1000 miles per hour. If that was true then it would take way less time to travel from NY to SF then it does to travel from SF to NY.

 

In fact an airplane would have to travel a minimum of 1000 mph just to keep up.

 

nasa also says that we are leaping around the sun on an axis tilt of 23.4 degrees (66.6 degrees depending on how you look at it)  at 66600mph around the sun and that we are expanding in the spiral milky way at nearly 500,00 mph and that the whole universe is expanding at nearly 2 million mph

 

That would mean we are spinning so fast and expanding so fast that we could never see the same stars night after night.

 

The ball earth can very easily be disproven. We have all heard that Kansas is flatter than a pancake.

 

It is true one can look up everything above.

 

Since Kansas is as flat as a pancake then how can nasa say that Kansas is bent north to south and simultaneously east to west?

 

Further how can the Nile River flow up hill over a "curved" earth into the Mediterranean nearly 2,500 miles? The Nile has been show to have a 1 foot drop along the way. 

 

If the earth was flat how can we see the following:

There are many more.

 

But I digress.

 

The Bible has nearly 200 references of a flat earth too.

 

Peace to you 

BW

 

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The video above doesn't just show what is seeable with the eye, but the narrator even says the words that were the reason I mentioned the shape of the earth to begin with. 

THEY HAVED LIED TO US.

However let us expand our minds and begin to realize that the Luciferians that have become our leaders haven't just lied to us about the shape of the  earth, They have lied to us about 

EVERYTHING.

And they are lying to us still, everyday.

Until we all wake up to that simple fact we will remain there slaves and we will not resist them but rather attack each other over things that truly are miniscule in the grand scheme of things. 

And all the while they are lying to us no one really notices that God himself is attempting to get the entire worlds attention.

Consider the greatest freeze in history. Snow in the Sahara Desert and on top of Acropolis in Greece. This historic freeze isn't just in America but all over the world. You can see that here.

Remember people, liberals and conservatives alike 

we are all in this together. 

WAKE UP JOHNNY

WAKE UP SUZY

YOUR LIVING IN A NIGHTMARE.

 

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Add to the mix all that global warming we're seeing......ask Texas about that one......heck, it snowed at the Acropolis in Greece this week....

 

End times......?  Earth quakes are firing....7.4 just off of the Fukajima Nuclear plant......fear of even more radiation dumped into the ocean......Biden still hasn't spoken with Israel......

 

Everything is not as it seems....   CL

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10 hours ago, bigwave said:

I come in Peace -

 

If we were ever expanding like NASA says we are then the north star would never be seen again.

 

Instead we see the North star at the same point nightly.

 

So exactly that we can navigate from it today like we have for thousands of years.

 

nasa says that we are spinning around at about 1000 miles per hour. If that was true then it would take way less time to travel from NY to SF then it does to travel from SF to NY.

 

In fact an airplane would have to travel a minimum of 1000 mph just to keep up.

 

nasa also says that we are leaping around the sun on an axis tilt of 23.4 degrees (66.6 degrees depending on how you look at it)  at 66600mph around the sun and that we are expanding in the spiral milky way at nearly 500,00 mph and that the whole universe is expanding at nearly 2 million mph

 

That would mean we are spinning so fast and expanding so fast that we could never see the same stars night after night.

 

The ball earth can very easily be disproven. We have all heard that Kansas is flatter than a pancake.

 

It is true one can look up everything above.

 

Since Kansas is as flat as a pancake then how can nasa say that Kansas is bent north to south and simultaneously east to west?

 

Further how can the Nile River flow up hill over a "curved" earth into the Mediterranean nearly 2,500 miles? The Nile has been show to have a 1 foot drop along the way. 

 

If the earth was flat how can we see the following:

There are many more.

 

But I digress.

 

The Bible has nearly 200 references of a flat earth too.

 

Peace to you 

BW

 

 

Polaris (North Star) does appear to move back and forth about 1 degree due to the wobble in the Earth axis....this is why "tracking" through an instruments observation to the "tip" point of Polaris at an exact recordable time is necessary to achieving the mathematical constant in determining an azimuth....leading to coordinates, latitude/longitude, northing/easting.  This observation must be performed numerous times to achieve a precise average....During my days in the military, this was a very time consuming long form computation....now a days a computer takes most of the human error out of it.

 

Also the further North or South the observer gets, the harder it is to achieve said observation....as too far north and Polaris is overhead and hard to observe with traditional total station....the further South, Polaris is low on the horizon and curvature of the earth along with heat waves, particularly at night in southern locations in the summer months, plays havoc with the optics.

 

GO RV, then BV  

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

North Star

My point is the following:

 

nasa says that we are being dragged by the sun through "gravitational forces of larger bodies on smaller ones".

 

Further nasa says the milky way spiral are is expanding at 496,000 miles per hour all the while the earth being tilted on our axis at 66.6 degrees (23.4 depending on the point of reference) as well as the entire universe is being expanded at 2 million miles per hour.

 

We would never recognize the same star let alone name all of the constellations.

 

I'll be more than happy to debate you  or anyone else on this subject but unfortunately I still have a mortgage to pay and have to got to my J.O.B. and work now.

 

As LGD says this is not a "flat Earth" thread it is a thread to wake people up, as the Deep State has been working We The People over for a number of years.

 

nasa also says that you have a great, great, great, great grandmonkey as a relative.

 

I don't buy that for a second.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Polaris (North Star) does appear to move back and forth about 1 degree due to the wobble in the Earth axis....this is why "tracking" through an instruments observation to the "tip" point of Polaris at an exact recordable time is necessary to achieving the mathematical constant in determining an azimuth....leading to coordinates, latitude/longitude, northing/easting.  This observation must be performed numerous times to achieve a precise average....During my days in the military, this was a very time consuming long form computation....now a days a computer takes most of the human error out of it.

 

Also the further North or South the observer gets, the harder it is to achieve said observation....as too far north and Polaris is overhead and hard to observe with traditional total station....the further South, Polaris is low on the horizon and curvature of the earth along with heat waves, particularly at night in southern locations in the summer months, plays havoc with the optics.

 

GO RV, then BV  

Well at least this thread will have done one thing in  the end. 

It will have clearly shown how people like you are incapable 

of waking up and seeing the world as it truly is, or realizing that you've been lied to for over an hundred yrs. 

People like that would rather remain slaves to the Luciferian Masters believing only that which they are told to believe.

If you truly believed that the earth was a ball traveling through space at the speed of light {consider the ramifications of that} then the very conversation such as this would be considered to you total ludicrous insanity and not worth responding to. But the mind controlled  slaves of the Luciferians are actually afraid that enough people will wake up to the real world and that will in the end destroy the Luciferian world you're living in. 

Have no fear, my Brother, Neither the Luciferians will continue on in control, nor will the Woke take control. 

Because neither are willing to admit who exactly is in control.

And that person is about to reveal himself 

SUDDENLY

Sadly for most that will be too late.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Well at least this thread will have done one thing in  the end. 

It will have clearly shown how people like you are incapable 

of waking up and seeing the world as it truly is, or realizing that you've been lied to for over an hundred yrs. 

People like that would rather remain slaves to the Luciferian Masters believing only that which they are told to believe.

If you truly believed that the earth was a ball traveling through space at the speed of light {consider the ramifications of that} then the very conversation such as this would be considered to you total ludicrous insanity and not worth responding to. But the mind controlled  slaves of the Luciferians are actually afraid that enough people will wake up to the real world and that will in the end destroy the Luciferian world you're living in. 

Have no fear, my Brother, Neither the Luciferians will continue on in control, nor will the Woke take control. 

Because neither are willing to admit who exactly is in control.

And that person is about to reveal himself 

SUDDENLY

Sadly for most that will be too late.

 

 

 

I imagine for many, living in a very small reality box is comforting....it's difficult for many to look beyond what they think they know.  Imagine how the mostly uneducated crews of the first explorers must have felt while constantly viewing the horizon waiting nervously for the world's edge to steal their lives away......they were probably longing for that small reality box of home they surely found comfort in.  As always, just my opinion.

 

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13 hours ago, bigwave said:

I come in Peace -

 

Me, too.

 

Didn't answer the first two points I mentioned, though

 

Light travels in a medium based on the index of refraction. Light "bends" at the surface of the water. Aim at the fish while bowfishing and miss the fish every time. Shoot OVER the fish EVERY time. So, have to judge how far below the surface of the water the fish is and how far out to adjust point of aim to hit the fish. The light bends at the water air interface based on the differing index of refraction of the two media.

 

Traveling through different mediums (even air mediums) with differing compositions (or concentrations) will bend light.

 

Flat earth basic principle says what you see is what you will get.

 

The stars reorient in the sky due to the spinning of the spherical (geoidal) earth so the north pole would point to a very small point in space. Time lapse photography shows the other stars spinning in a circle due to the earth spinning.

 

The north star.

 

The north star is much further out than the diameter of the distance the earth travels around the sun so is a navigable fixed point in space.

 

After all, the Southern Cross is not seen in the Northern Hemisphere nor the Northern Lights near the North Pole in the Southern Hemisphere just like the Southern Lights near the South Pole are not seen in the Northern Hemisphere.

 

The Flat Earth has ONE "pole".

 

The earth spins on it's axis at a constant rate (no tangential acceleration or deceleration). The space above the earth's atmosphere has miniscule matter. So, the matter that makes up the earths atmosphere is at the same angular velocity as the earth with localized air currents due to temperature (density) differences, topology, etc. due to lack of shear in the upper atmosphere. So the argument of needing to travel 1,000 mph just to keep up is dismissed for obvious reasons. Sure, adjustments need to be made in ground velocity and bearing due to wind direction and strength while the atmosphere is traveling in nominally the same rate at the spinning earth. Also, the earth's gravity keeps the earth's atmosphere where higher elevations have a lower density until the outer reaches of the earth's atmosphere.

 

Hurricanes in the Northern Hemisphere spin counter clock wise. Just like the undisturbed drain current. The undisturbed drain current spins clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere due to the slight influence of the earth's angular momentum. This phenomena of differing undisturbed drain rotation in the Northern and Southern Hemisphere indicates a spherical spinning earth and could not exist in a Flat Earth model.

 

Rivers flow from a higher elevation to a lower elevation. I doubt the entire Nile river has only 1 foot of drop the entire way whereas less than a foot of drop per mile of river course is more likely according to the real data. The Mississippi River has about six inches of drop per mile of river course. The angular velocity (1 revolution per day) is so low the spinning effect wouldn't cause the Nile to flow from the Mediterranean toward Lake Tana or Lake Victoria. The Amazon river flows from west to east nominally at the Equator.

 

Math shows there is a very slight gravitational difference at the poles and the Equator due to the spinning of the earth at one (1) revolution per day.

 

Very Slight Gravitational Difference.

 

So, OK, I am interested in seeing the list of nominally 200 references to the earth being flat. Please post them.

 

I do NOT think the references when looked at from the original language in Biblical context will even hint at the earth being flat.

 

After all, the Moon is FLAT just like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, AND Pluto ALL with THEIR moons.

 

Well, OK, sarcasm in the last statement.

 

Amature astronomers with telescopic equipment can show these bodies to be round. A disc? I think NOT - a sphere with topological variations in reality.

 

Using a technical basis to arrive at a conclusion, such as a Flat Earth, is misleading. The test methods should be considered for THEIR relevance AND variations impacted by physical phenomena.

 

The issue is determining and communicating relevant information so no issues are misconstrued and credibility is compromised.

 

Cool video, though. Glad to see the friends at the Sea Of Galilee were able to spot Your laser shot from Salt Lake, Utah noted as 7,000 miles away. Wouldn't You have to point Your laser in a Northeasterly direction through a portion of Canada, Greenland, Europe and then to the Sea Of Galilee on the flat earth model as the shortest distance between two points?

 

After all, the spherical earth diameter is nominally 7,920 miles and would be a good test to prove nearly the entire span of the earth the earth is flat. IF the earth is flat.

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9 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

I imagine for many, living in a very small reality box is comforting....it's difficult for many to look beyond what they think they know

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

However, it's not my mind your trying to release nor is it my opinion.

In the end you will sadly come to realize that what is at stake here was 

YOUR SOUL.

The entire time you wanted to prove "What you know"

you were missing the truth.

Furthermore, I feel it's only fair to explain to you that the reason I've decided to let this conversation continue is because others are waking up. And you actually are a perfect specimen for showing just how the mind control works. 

As someone who's been brainwashed by the lies of the media for their entire life, you simply fail to even comprehend that the subject matter of this thread IS NOT about the shape of the earth. 

Your mind is incapable of getting past that reference because you've been condition to attack anything that might wake you up.

The very brainwashing itself creates a fear within you that you don't even realize you have. All you know is that you have to prove your point at any cost. This kind of control is meant to blind you to something that will help you see reality. That reality being that what I'm talking about has almost nothing to do with the shape of the earth. 

And EVERYTHING to do with the shape of your mind and the 

condition of your soul. 

 

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10 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I couldn't agree more with this statement.

However, it's not my mind your trying to release nor is it my opinion.

In the end you will sadly come to realize that what is at stake here was 

YOUR SOUL.

The entire time you wanted to prove "What you know"

you were missing the truth.

Furthermore, I feel it's only fair to explain to you that the reason I've decided to let this conversation continue is because others are waking up. And you actually are a perfect specimen for showing just how the mind control works. 

As someone who's been brainwashed by the lies of the media for their entire life, you simply fail to even comprehend that the subject matter of this thread IS NOT about the shape of the earth. 

Your mind is incapable of getting past that reference because you've been condition to attack anything that might wake you up.

The very brainwashing itself creates a fear within you that you don't even realize you have. All you know is that you have to prove your point at any cost. This kind of control is meant to blind you to something that will help you see reality. That reality being that what I'm talking about has almost nothing to do with the shape of the earth. 

And EVERYTHING to do with the shape of your mind and the 

condition of your soul. 

 

 

I told you I would respect your wishes and stop talking about the flat earth myth, and I did stop.......but others including yourself brought it up again.  Either you all want to talk about it or you don't.  :shrug:

 

GO RV, then BV

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8 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

Cool video, though. Glad to see the friends at the Sea Of Galilee were able to spot Your laser shot from Salt Lake, Utah noted as 7,000 miles away. Wouldn't You have to point Your laser in a Northeasterly direction through a portion of Canada, Greenland, Europe and then to the Sea Of Galilee on the flat earth model as the shortest distance between two points?

I started this thread at the unction of the Holy Spirit and I must admit that I'm truly amazed at how it is progressing. 

The quoted part of your post above fits so perfectly inline with what I just posted to Shabbs. Furthermore, it goes to show that this mind control of the media is neither liberal nor conservative. The Luciferians that control us could care less for such descriptions except where they can control the masses. For those Luciferians there is only the control of the world for their own will. If that means letting us think we are free, so be it. If that means conditioning us to attack each other over such non existent things as Democrats and Republicans then all the better as the Luciferians love violence. 

Nevertheless, that video does NOT claim sending a laser light from Salt Lake to the Sea of Galilee. It described two different experiments all together. The issue is that a mind controlled person would most likely have missed that point and actually believe that it was just one experiment. 

So ask yourself why is that? 

And the answer is simple. Now that I've shown the error in your comment tell us, what do you feel? 

Most likely, angry if not embarrassed.

And what is the reaction you're supposed to have with those emotions?

You're supposed to want to lash out. And in doing so the entire reason for this conversation will be lost in the fight created by the Luciferians mind control. 

These people have been doing this to us for over one hundred years and they are pure evil. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

I told you I would respect your wishes and stop talking about the flat earth myth, and I did stop.......but others including yourself brought it up again.  Either you all want to talk about it or you don't.  :shrug:

 

GO RV, then BV

Read all my post Shabbs, especially the last one. And please pay close attention to all I'm saying. 

The shape of the earth isn't the subject matter here,

But because of you and some others it is becoming a clear example of how the human mind can be controlled to react in certain situations where ones mind has been conditioned to respond to a perceived threat.

Even if that threat is just against a belief system. 

What I'm still attempting to show is that eventually that ,

"THREAT RESPOCE", 

will inevitably lead to an all out physical assault. 

This is what the Luciferians who have enslaved us all want. 

It has become clear to most that creating physical violence among us is something they want most of all. 

Now before you go there, I'm not suggesting that YOU will physically attack me. I'm trying to show you that this kind of mind control is meant to create physical violence among the masses. 

And sadly that seems much closer than not. 

Whereas in the world of the real,

you, me  and everyone else on this earth needs to do is turn to 

God and trust in him to violently remove the evil Luciferians.

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5 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Read all my post Shabbs, especially the last one. And please pay close attention to all I'm saying. 

The shape of the earth isn't the subject matter here,

But because of you and some others it is becoming a clear example of how the human mind can be controlled to react in certain situations where ones mind has been conditioned to respond to a perceived threat.

Even if that threat is just against a belief system. 

What I'm still attempting to show is that eventually that ,

"THREAT RESPOCE", 

will inevitably lead to an all out physical assault. 

This is what the Luciferians who have enslaved us all want. 

It has become clear to most that creating physical violence among us is something they want most of all. 

Now before you go there, I'm not suggesting that YOU will physically attack me. I'm trying to show you that this kind of mind control is meant to create physical violence among the masses. 

And sadly that seems much closer than not. 

Whereas in the world of the real,

you, me  and everyone else on this earth needs to do is turn to 

God and trust in him to violently remove the evil Luciferians.

 

And if you're wrong?

 

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1 hour ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Nevertheless, that video does NOT claim sending a laser light from Salt Lake to the Sea of Galilee. It described two different experiments all together. The issue is that a mind controlled person would most likely have missed that point and actually believe that it was just one experiment. 

So ask yourself why is that? 

And the answer is simple. Now that I've shown the error in your comment tell us, what do you feel? 

Most likely, angry if not embarrassed.

And what is the reaction you're supposed to have with those emotions?

 

Oh, no, LadyGrace'sDaddy, I am not angry or embarrassed at all.

 

I feel sorry, though, for those who believe the earth is flat. The evidence, Biblical included, does not support a flat earth.

 

I would like to see each of the nominal 200 noted references to the earth being flat and examine them for myself.

 

I gave compelling reasons why the earth is not flat but spherical (geoidal) instead.

 

I connected two dots for a reason.

 

You caught it.

 

Connecting dot from point A to point B does NOT indicate a flat earth. There are reasonable and provable explanations for why light behaves as it does that does not infer a flat earth. I illustrated this point by inferring a laser was shot from Salt Lake, Utah to the Sea Of Galilee, Israel which, in fact, did NOT happen - that I know of. However, the video did state the Sea Of Galilee, Israel is nominally 7,000 miles from Salt Lake, Utah. The spherical (geoidal) earth is nominally 7,920 miles in diameter and has a circumference of nominally 25,000 miles at the Equator.

 

Earth/Diameter

7,917.5 mi

 

Earth/Circumference

24,901 mi

 

On a flat earth model, the distance from Salt Lake, Utah is nominally 88% of the entire earth's diameter and would be a compelling proof if the laser was shot directly from Salt Lake, Utah to the Sea Of Galilee, Israel if the earth is indeed flat.

 

After all, we do shoot laser beams to the moon (reflected back) to determine the distance from the earth based on a plate placed on the moon during one of the moon shots.

 

To further illustrate, my High School Physics Teacher, a really cool and smart guy, had an early form of a nominally 1/4" diameter round fiber optic material that was spiral and uncoated/uninsulated somewhat like a heating element on a stove with about ten or so in the winding on a plane. The inside and middle was shaped and molded up ward like the very end. When he shined a light on the middle "port", the light bent, spun around the entire winding and then up. The surface of the winding did have a slight glow whereas much of the original light intensity traveled along the fiber optic material and out the end.

 

Light "bent".

 

Like it does today for transmitting fiber optic signals along fiber optic cables.

 

Mirages off hot pavement also provide an interesting physical phenomenon. Mirrored images off cold pavement are a different story and indicate black ice as you know. Driving and other physical precautions are adjusted accordingly to avoid undesirable outcomes.

 

All this to say just because someone brings an explanation to the table doesn't mean it is entirely valid.

 

Like a flat earth.

 

Say I am witnessing to someone about the TRUTH of Jesus Christ being God in The Flesh, came to earth, died and rose again for mine and the whole world's sin, then ascended into heaven where HE now sits at the right hand of God.

 

I then start talking about the Flat Earth.

 

These two do NOT correspond and the other person would likely have a propensity to disregard what I was witnessing about Jesus Christ.

 

Or a need to receive Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior.

 

NO, I am NOT stirring an argument just stating the TRUTH.

 

A spherical (geoidal) shaped earth is NOT Luciferian and a spherical (geoidal) shaped earth is reality NOT a flat earth.

 

Just like amature astronomers can show other planets and moons, even the sun, to be nominally spherical in shape based on personal observation and the right equipment. An associated phenomena is the lunar eclipse of the sun. A round moon over a round sun. Sure, further investigation is necessary to note whether disc shaped or nominally spherical.

 

I REALLY appreciate You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, AND, of course, BigWave while being concerned about strongly held views that ultimately are not supportable. I don't want to see misjudgments that lead to compromising any credibility either may have.

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9 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

Oh, no, LadyGrace'sDaddy, I am not angry or embarrassed at all.

 

I feel sorry, though, for those who believe the earth is flat. The evidence, Biblical included, does not support system" rel="">support a flat earth.

 

I would like to see each of the nominal 200 noted references to the earth being flat and examine them for myself.

 

I gave compelling reasons why the earth is not flat but spherical (geoidal) instead.

 

I connected two dots for a reason.

 

You caught it.

 

Connecting dot from point A to point B does NOT indicate a flat earth. There are reasonable and provable explanations for why light behaves as it does that does not infer a flat earth. I illustrated this point by inferring a laser was shot from Salt Lake, Utah to the Sea Of Galilee, Israel which, in fact, did NOT happen - that I know of. However, the video did state the Sea Of Galilee, Israel is nominally 7,000 miles from Salt Lake, Utah. The spherical (geoidal) earth is nominally 7,920 miles in diameter and has a circumference of nominally 25,000 miles at the Equator.

 

Earth/Diameter

7,917.5 mi

 

Earth/Circumference

24,901 mi

 

On a flat earth model, the distance from Salt Lake, Utah is nominally 88% of the entire earth's diameter and would be a compelling proof if the laser was shot directly from Salt Lake, Utah to the Sea Of Galilee, Israel if the earth is indeed flat.

 

After all, we do shoot laser beams to the moon (reflected back) to determine the distance from the earth based on a plate placed on the moon during one of the moon shots.

 

To further illustrate, my High School Physics Teacher, a really cool and smart guy, had an early form of a nominally 1/4" diameter round fiber optic material that was spiral and uncoated/uninsulated somewhat like a heating element on a stove with about ten or so in the winding on a plane. The inside and middle was shaped and molded up ward like the very end. When he shined a light on the middle "port", the light bent, spun around the entire winding and then up. The surface of the winding did have a slight glow whereas much of the original light intensity traveled along the fiber optic material and out the end.

 

Light "bent".

 

Like it does today for transmitting fiber optic signals along fiber optic cables.

 

Mirages off hot pavement also provide an interesting physical phenomenon. Mirrored images off cold pavement are a different story and indicate black ice as you know. Driving and other physical precautions are adjusted accordingly to avoid undesirable outcomes.

 

All this to say just because someone brings an explanation to the table doesn't mean it is entirely valid.

 

Like a flat earth.

 

Say I am witnessing to someone about the TRUTH of Jesus Christ being God in The Flesh, came to earth, died and rose again for mine and the whole world's sin, then ascended into heaven where HE now sits at the right hand of God.

 

I then start talking about the Flat Earth.

 

These two do NOT correspond and the other person would likely have a propensity to disregard what I was witnessing about Jesus Christ.

 

Or a need to receive Jesus Christ as LORD and Savior.

 

NO, I am NOT stirring an argument just stating the TRUTH.

 

A spherical (geoidal) shaped earth is NOT Luciferian and a spherical (geoidal) shaped earth is reality NOT a flat earth.

 

Just like amature astronomers can show other planets and moons, even the sun, to be nominally spherical in shape based on personal observation and the right equipment. An associated phenomena is the lunar eclipse of the sun. A round moon over a round sun. Sure, further investigation is necessary to note whether disc shaped or nominally spherical.

 

I REALLY appreciate You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, AND, of course, BigWave while being concerned about strongly held views that ultimately are not supportable. I don't want to see misjudgments that lead to compromising any credibility either may have.

 

I just gave you a plus on your ball (geoidal) earth comments.....Yikes, we're in agreement on the earth's shape, based in evidence, geodetic survey practices and norms.

 

GO RV, then BV

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40 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

Salt Lake, Utah to the Sea Of Galilee

Well if you looked closely there were two studies - the 1st at the Great Salt Lake and the 2nd was done at the See of Galilee. 

 

Of course I have family members that think I'm a darn fool for believing in such nonsense. LOL

 

 

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Well if you looked closely there were two studies - the 1st at the Great Salt Lake and the 2nd was done at the See of Galilee. 

 

Of course I have family members that think I'm a darn fool for believing in such nonsense. LOL

 

 

 

Yes, Thank You, BigWave!

 

Physical phenomena are often intriguing in nature and sometimes extensive to comprehend accurately whether at Salt Lake, Utah or The Sea Of Galilee, Israel.

 

All that man can do is observe some phenomena and then describe it the best he knows how using his words and/or mathematical equations. He can then implement that phenomena according to his desires using his description with his words and/or mathematical equations. Man is limited by three means. First by what he views with regard to the phenomena. Second by his ability to accurately describe the phenomena using his words and/or mathematical equations. Third by the biases he possesses as he views and describes the phenomena. Man can not change the actual laws that govern the phenomena nor can he create any new phenomena.

 

- Synopsis

 

The Creator of the universe and everything in it created all the phenomena and the irrefutable and unchangeable actual laws that govern each and all phenomena.

 

- Synopsis

 

Science is an extremely poor reflection of the infinite wisdom the Creator applied to each and every phenomena to include their governance with all magnificence in their interactions even to the extent we call beauty and respond by faith and trust in joyous worship of the Creator.

 

- Synopsis

 

 

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