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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUs5fpK4nhY

 

432 hz vs a 440 hz which is now your standard tuning for instruments and broadcast. the 432 A use to be standard prior to hitler. Major backlash when it changed from 432 to 440. 432 is harmonic and 440 is disharmonic and fear inducing. Which is by im guess hitler and the ptb used it. And the US adopted in the 50s if i remember correctly. Your cells are mostly water, your body is mostly water. Frequencies play a VITAL role. Royal Raymond Rife back in the 50s and 60s were curing patients of cancers by using frequency, but the government came in and shut him down and took all his machines. All he did was take the opposit wavelength of the cancer and heal people with it.

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8 hours ago, PeaceSign said:

 

 

 

Do YOU see why THIS is ALL SO STUPID???!!!

 

An excerpt from the video:

 

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The Sun on a flat earth would be visible at ALL TIMES AT ALL PLACES ON EART AT THE SAME TIME. Same thing with the Moon.

 

So, the Sun AND Moon are like EACH being a flashlight pointing to a limited surface on a Flat Earth???!!!

 

Are the Sun AND Moon Flat, too???!!!

 

:facepalm3:   :facepalm3:   :facepalm3:

 

 :shakehead:     :shakehead:     :shakehead:

 

The Earth is SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape NOT FLAT!!!

 

In Summary For The Flat Earthers:

  1. The Earth is FLAT NOT ACUTALLY BEING SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape.
  2. Gravity does NOT exist.
  3. An ACTUAL SPHERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth rotating at four (4) minutes of time per degree of 360 degree of rotation would fling objects off the Equator at nominally 1,037.54 miles per hour.
  4. Planes travel much faster from East to West on an ACTUAL SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth since the Earth spins in a counter clockwise direction viewed from the North Pole.
  5. Global Positioning System Satellites DO NOT EXIST FOR A FLAT EARTH.
  6. The Sun AND Moon are ALWAYS above the plane of the Flat Earth AND EACH shine like a flash light to specific regions of the Earth WHILE NEVER SETTING OR RISING.
  7. The FALSE Doctrine of the Bible noting the Earth is Flat.

Here, try this for navigating AROUND the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth OVER THE South Pole AND NORTH POLE.

 

https://flatearth.ws/polar-circumnav

 

Flat-Earthers incorrectly claim that Earth circumnavigation has never been done through both the poles, and they use it to “prove” a flat Earth. In reality, many have successfully done such feats.

 

HENCE...............................................................................

 

THEE Flat Earther Dunning-Kruger "effect".

 

The Dunning-Kruger Effect and You – Thinking Out Cloud

 

THEE Flat Earthers go FROM "I can't prepare for everything, it's just too much" TO "there are so many possible disasters..." TO "I know everything! I don't need your advice!" ALL BECAUSE OF THE Flat Earth "teaching" "conspiracy" TO DUMB Flat Earth "believers" DOWN AND POISON THEM WITH Biblical FALSE Doctrine!!!

 

Flat Earth "believers".

 

:facepalm3:   :facepalm3:   :facepalm3:

 

 :shakehead:     :shakehead:     :shakehead:

Flat Earthers REALLY MUST REPENT OF THEIR Biblical FALSE Doctrine AND ASSOCIATED STUPIDITY AND NOT BE Dunning-Kruger Effect "demonstrators" ON THEE LEFT HIGH POINT OF THEE Dunning-Kruger Effect "chart"!!!

 

 

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8 hours ago, PeaceSign said:

 

On a flat earth there is day and night! When the sun is on one side of the "plane" it is light while the other side is dark. Also, notice how the root word of planet is plane!  just saying

 

:facepalm3:   :facepalm3:   :facepalm3:

 

 :shakehead:     :shakehead:     :shakehead:

 

See my last post above.

 

The Flat Earth SUN day/night is JUST NOT POSSIBLE. On a FIXED point of the SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth between the Artic AND Antartic Circles, THE SUN DOES NOT APPEAR AT NIGHT EVER. THE SUN SETS AND RISES ON THE HORIZON OF THEE SPERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth.

 

North of the Artic Circle in the Winter (Northern Hemisphere Winter) AND South of the Antartic Circle in the Summer (Northern Hemisphere Summer), there is NO SUN SHINING DURING THOSE SEASONS. 

 

North of the Artic Circle in the Summer (Northern Hemisphere Summer) AND South of the Antartic Circle in the Winter (Northern Hemisphere Winter), THEE SUN IS ALWAYS SHINING DURING THOSE SEASONS. 

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14 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Careful,  you're beginning to sound like a liberal. Using insults and name calling to prove your point only shows that you know your point is weakness. 

 

Is a Viral Quote About Liberals and Conservatives Attributable to Teddy  Roosevelt?

 

1 Timothy 1:3-7

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Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

So, OK, LadyGrace'sDaddy, does Biblical FALSE Doctrine like that of the Earth being Flat concern You at ALL???!!!

 

The BigLIE, one of them, was noted AND pointed out YET:

 

Please note the third party videos I posted earlier on in this thread that give very clear explanations (facts) of how and why the Flat Earth "proofs" are nonsensical postulations if my actual and factual explanations are inadequate to give a clear understanding and support system" rel="">support for my consistently stable and tenable position.

 

If challenged, I will explain things as clearly as I can in an accurate and factual way whether or NOT the ENTIRELY "intellectually" "challenged" have an opinion misaligned with actual facts. I trust DinarVets values actual facts far above misaligned opinions with actual facts especially those misaligned opinions of baseless and/or fictitious origin used as a basis for badgering rhetoric against facts expressed in a reasonably Decent, Reasonous, AND, of course, Common Sense way.

 

 

AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!!

 

Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!!

 

Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!!

 

Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!!

 

Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!!

 

Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!!

 

14 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Arguing like a liberal again? What's with the insecurity of your position? 

 

OK, YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, brought up the same point TWICE. SAME questions YOU need to answer.

 

AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!!

 

Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!!

 

Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!!

 

Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!!

 

Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!!

 

Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!!

 

14 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

So, Pray tell, showeth the court where in the words of the Almighty that God himself says, "Flat Earth Doctrine is Wickedness". 

 

Titus 1:12-16

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12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

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Titus 1:12 From the Cretan philosopher Epimenides

 

1 Timothy 6:19-21

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19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.

Grace be with you all.

 

Jeremiah 5:30-31

New International Version

30 “A horrible and shocking thing
    has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy lies,
    the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
    But what will you do in the end?

 

2 Thessalonians 2:09-12

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9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

 

OBVIOUSLY, NO FLAT EARTH IS EVER NOTED IN THE BIBLE WHEREAS A SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth IS NOTED IN THE BIBLE:

 

Isaiah 40:21-22

New English Translation

21 Do you not know?
Do you not hear?
Has it not been told to you since the very beginning?
Have you not understood from the time the earth’s foundations were made?
22 He is the one who sits on the earth’s horizon;[a]
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers before him.[b]
He is the one who stretches out the sky like a thin curtain,[c]
and spreads it out[d] like a pitched tent.[e]

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Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “the circle of the earth” (so KJV, NIV, NRSV, NLT).

Isaiah 40:22 tn The words “before him” are supplied in the translation for clarification.

Isaiah 40:22 tn The otherwise unattested noun דֹּק (doq), translated here “thin curtain,” is apparently derived from the verbal root דקק (“crush”) from which is derived the adjective דַּק (daq, “thin”; see HALOT 229 s.v. דקק). The nuance “curtain” is implied from the parallelism (see “tent” in the next line).

Isaiah 40:22 tn The meaning of the otherwise unattested verb מָתַח (matakh, “spread out”) is determined from the parallelism (note the corresponding verb “stretch out” in the previous line) and supported by later Hebrew and Aramaic cognates. See HALOT 654 s.v. *מתה.

Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “like a tent [in which] to live”; NAB, NASB “like a tent to dwell (live NIV, NRSV) in.”

 

Exodus 14:27

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27 So Moses extended his hand toward the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state[a] when the sun began to rise.[b] Now the Egyptians were fleeing[c] before it, but the Lord overthrew[d] the Egyptians in the middle of the sea.

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Exodus 14:27 tn The Hebrew term לְאֵיתָנוֹ (leʾetano) means “to its place,” or better, “to its perennial state.” The point is that the sea here had a normal level, and now when the Egyptians were in the sea on the dry ground the water would return to that level.

Exodus 14:27 tn Heb “at the turning of the morning”; NASB, NIV, TEV, CEV “at daybreak.”

Exodus 14:27 tn The clause begins with the disjunctive vav (ו) on the noun, signaling either a circumstantial clause or a new beginning. It could be rendered, “Although the Egyptians…Yahweh…” or “as the Egyptians….”

Exodus 14:27 tn The verb means “shake out” or “shaking off.” It has the significance of “throw downward.” See Neh 5:13 or Job 38:13.

 

Exodus 22:3

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3 If the sun has risen on him, then there is blood guilt for him. A thief[a] must surely make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he will be sold for his theft.

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Exodus 22:3 tn The words “a thief” have been added for clarification. S. R. Driver (Exodus, 224) thinks that these lines are out of order, since some of them deal with killing the thief and then others with the thief making restitution, but rearranging the clauses is not a necessary way to bring clarity to the paragraph. The idea here would be that any thief caught alive would pay restitution.

 

Psalm 104:22

New English Translation

22 When the sun rises, they withdraw
and sleep[a] in their dens.

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Psalm 104:22 tn Heb “lie down.”

 

Ecclesiastes 1:5

New English Translation

The sun rises[a] and the sun sets;[b]
it hurries away[c] to a place from which it rises[d] again.[e]

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Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The Hebrew text has a perfect verbal form, but it should probably be emended to the participial form, which occurs in the last line of the verse. Note as well the use of participles in vv. 4-7 to describe what typically takes place in the natural world. The participle זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising (and continually setting) day after day.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “the sun goes.” The participle בָּא (baʾ, “to go in”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising and continually setting day after day. The repetition of בָּא in 1:4-5 creates a comparison between the relative futility of all human endeavor (“a generation comes and a generation goes [בָּא]”) with the relative futility of the action of the sun (“the sun rises and the sun goes” [i.e., “sets,” בָּא]).

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “hastens” or “pants.” The verb שָׁאַף (shaʾaf) has a three-fold range of meanings: (1) “to gasp; to pant,” (2) “to pant after; to long for,” and (3) “to hasten; to hurry” (HALOT 1375 s.v. שׁאף; BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף). The related Aramaic root שׁוף means “to be thirsty; to be parched.” The Hebrew verb is used of “gasping” for breath, like a woman in the travail of childbirth (Isa 42:14); “panting” with eagerness or desire (Job 5:5; 7:2; 36:20; Ps 119:131; Jer 2:24) or “panting” with fatigue (Jer 14:6; Eccl 1:5). Here שָׁאַף personifies the sun, panting with fatigue, as it hastens to its destination (BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף 1). The participle form depicts continual, uninterrupted, durative action (present universal use). Like the sun, man—for all his efforts—never really changes anything; all he accomplishes in his toil is to wear himself out.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The verb זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) is repeated in this verse to emphasize that the sun is locked into a never changing, ever repeating monotonous cycle: rising, setting, rising, setting.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The word “again” does not appear in Hebrew, but is supplied in the translation for clarity and smoothness.

 

Nahum 3:17

New English Translation

17 Your courtiers[a] are like locusts,
your officials[b] are like a swarm of locusts!
They encamp in the walls on a cold day,
yet when the sun rises, they[c] fly away,[d]
and no one knows where they[e] are.[f]

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Nahum 3:17 tn Or “your guards.” The noun מִגְּזָרַיִךְ (miggezarayikh, “your courtiers”) is related to Assyrian manzazu (“courtier”; AHw 2:639.a) or massaru (“guard”; AHw 2:621.a); see HALOT 601 s.v. *מִגְּזָר). The nuance “princes,” suggested by older lexicographers (BDB 634 s.v. מִנְזַר), is no longer considered valid.

Nahum 3:17 tn The noun טַפְסְרַיִךְ (tafserayikh, “your scribes”) from טִפְסָר (tifsar, “scribe, marshal”) is a loanword from Assyrian tupsarru and Sumerian DUB.SAR (“tablet-writer; scribe; official”); see BDB 381 s.v. טִפְסָר; HALOT 379 s.v. This term is also attested in Ugaritic tupsarru and in Phoenician dpsr. As in Jer 51:27, it is used of military and administrative officials. This term designated military officials who recorded the names of recruits and the military activities of Assyrian kings (see P. Machinist, “Assyria and its Image in the First Isaiah,” JAOS 103 [1983]: 736).

Nahum 3:17 tn Heb “it flees.”

Nahum 3:17 tc The BHS editors propose redividing the singular MT reading וְנוֹדַד (venodad, “and it flees”) to the plural וְנוֹדְדוּ (venodedu, “and they flee”) due to the difficulty of a singular verb. However, the LXX supports the singular MT reading. The subject is גוֹב (gov, “swarm”), not individual locusts.

Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads the noun with third person masculine singular suffix מְקוֹמוֹ (meqomo, “its place”). The BHS editors suggest emending to third person masculine plural suffix מְקוֹמָם (meqomam, “their place”). The MT is supported by the LXX reading, which has a singular suffix. The third person masculine singular suffix is not as awkward as the BHS editors claim—its antecedent is the singular אַרְבֶּה (ʾarbeh, “locust”) and גוֹב גֹבָי (gov govay, “a swarm of locusts”), as reflected by the third person masculine singular verb וְנוֹדַד (translated “it flies away”).

Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads אַיָּם (ʾayyam, “Where are they?”); see, e.g., Isa 19:12; DCH 1:202-3 s.v. אֵי; HALOT 40 s.v.). On the other hand, the LXX’s οὐαί αὐτοῖς (ouai autois, “Woe to them!”) seems to reflect a reading of אֶיָּם (ʾeyyam, “Alas to them!”). The BHS editors suggest emending to אֵיכָה (ʾekhah, “Alas!” or “How?”) and join it to v. 18, or אוֹי מַה (ʾoy mah, “Woe! Why…?”) joined to v. 18. HALOT (40 s.v.) suggests the emendation אֵיךָ (ʾekha, “Alas to you!”).tn Heb “Its place is not known—where are they?” The form אַיָּם has been taken in various ways: (1) an interrogative adverb with third person masculine plural suffix (“where are they?”; GKC 296-97 §100.o; BDB 32 s.v. אַי 1.a); (2) an interrogative particle אֵי (ʾey, “where?”) lengthened to אַיָּה (ʾayyah) and written with the enclitic particle ־ם (mem; GKC 295 §100.g), similar to ayyami (“where?”) in Assyrian (CAD 1.1.220); see W. A. Maier, Nahum, 356; R. D. Patterson, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah (WEC), 111; T. Longman, “Nahum,” The Minor Prophets, 2:826

 

Matthew 5:44-45

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44 But I say to you, love your enemy and[a] pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like[b] your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

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Matthew 5:44 tc Most mss (D L W Δ Θ ƒ13 33 565 579 700 1241 1424 M lat sy(p),h) read “bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you,” before “those who persecute you.” But this is surely a motivated reading, importing the longer form of this aphorism from Luke 6:27-28. The shorter text is found in א B ƒ1 sys,c sa bopt mae, as well as several fathers.

Matthew 5:45 tn Grk “be sons of your Father in heaven.” Here, however, the focus is not on attaining a relationship (becoming a child of God) but rather on being the kind of person who shares the characteristics of God himself (a frequent meaning of the Semitic idiom “son of”). See L&N 58.26.

 

James 1:11

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11 For the sun rises with its heat and dries up the meadow; the petal of the flower falls off and its beauty is lost forever.[a] So also the rich person in the midst of his pursuits will wither away.

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James 1:11 tn Or “perishes,” “is destroyed.”

 

The Sun RISES AND SETS FOR A SPHERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth.

 

THERE CAN NOT BE RISING AND THE SETTING OF THE SUN FOR A Flat Earth as the noted video portrays above.

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There's only one problem with your insinuation, you haven't angered me. 

 

Show me where I have even remotely shown anger. You can't because I haven't. And the reason I haven't is simply because I know my point is true. Again, I know this because God himself told me. Therefore, I have no reason to be angry 

 

And just because I love you  I want to tell you what is "the common point of reference" I keep referring to is.

 

The ability to hear the Holy Spirit. 

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1 hour ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

The ability to hear the Holy Spirit. 

 

The Holy Spirit does NOT conflict Scripture.

 

Flat Earth FALSE Doctrine conflicts with Scripture.

 

After all the evidence both Biblical and physical from simple observation shows a SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth.

 

The "entertaining" Flat Earth "postulations" are entertainment at best and Bible FALSE Doctrine in REALITY based on the evidence noted.

 

What happens is beliefs in FALSE Doctrine leads to the point where TRUTH is no longer discernable. In Love, I do NOT want THAT to happen to You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, or anyone else.

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2

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4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

Jude 17-23

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17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions which were made by the apostles (the special messengers) of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

18 They told you beforehand, In the last days (in the end time) there will be scoffers [who seek to gratify their own unholy desires], following after their own ungodly passions.

19 It is these who are [agitators] setting up distinctions and causing divisions—merely sensual [creatures, carnal, worldly-minded people], devoid of the [Holy] Spirit and destitute of any higher spiritual life.

20 But you, beloved, build yourselves up [founded] on your most holy faith [[a]make progress, rise like an edifice higher and higher], praying in the Holy Spirit;

21 Guard and keep yourselves in the love of God; expect and patiently wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah)—[which will bring you] unto life eternal.

22 And refute [so as to] convict some who dispute with you, and on some have mercy who waver and doubt.

23 [Strive to] save others, snatching [them] out of [the] fire; on others take pity [but] with fear, loathing even the garment spotted by the flesh and polluted by their sensuality.

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Jude 1:20 Joseph Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

 

The REALITY is the Earth is SPHERICAL (geoidal) in shape based on the Biblical AND physical evidence. Those who "postulate" the Earth is Flat are given in to Biblical FALSE Doctrine are on THEIR way to having THEIR consciences seared.

 

I do NOT want to see THAT happen.

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Current Guinness World Record

Longest Line of Sight

To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our plane.

It all should have been hidden by more than 16,000 feet of "globed" curvature.

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Map of sight illustrating the overwhelming distances of this World Record

Pretty bent around these parts:

Spain map. Earth globe close up with a red pin.

https://beyondrange.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/pic-de-finestrelles-pic-gaspard-ecrins-443-km/

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47 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

At what altitude was the picture taken?

 

From the link, this is how I understand the picture to be taken. 

 

Portraying the silhouette of the Barre des Ecrins from the most distant possible summit of the Pyrenees and get a new World Distance Record has been for us the last most recent target.

The result is counted in the image: a view from Pic de Finestrelles (2.820 m.) to the Alps. https://beyondrange.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/pic-de-finestrelles-pic-gaspard-ecrins-443-km/

 

Pyrenees Elevation 11,168 

pic de Finestrelles Elevation 9,272

Alps 15,781

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6 hours ago, Synopsis said:

The Holy Spirit does NOT conflict Scripture

You're right! The Holy Spirit does NOT conflict Scripture. 

 

PEOPLE DO. 

 

So pray tell, how many times have you brought this issue up with God? And were you willing to hear something totally different from what you believe? 

 

 

A circle is not a ball. 

God is not a liar. 

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Is a Viral Quote About Liberals and Conservatives Attributable to Teddy  Roosevelt?

 

1 Timothy 1:3-7

New International Version

Timothy Charged to Oppose False Teachers

3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

So, OK, LadyGrace'sDaddy, does Biblical FALSE Doctrine like that of the Earth being Flat concern You at ALL???!!!

 

The BigLIE, one of them, was noted AND pointed out YET:

 

Please note the third party videos I posted earlier on in this thread that give very clear explanations (facts) of how and why the Flat Earth "proofs" are nonsensical postulations if my actual and factual explanations are inadequate to give a clear understanding and support system' target='_blank' style=" rel="">support system" rel="">support for my consistently stable and tenable position.

 

If challenged, I will explain things as clearly as I can in an accurate and factual way whether or NOT the ENTIRELY "intellectually" "challenged" have an opinion misaligned with actual facts. I trust DinarVets values actual facts far above misaligned opinions with actual facts especially those misaligned opinions of baseless and/or fictitious origin used as a basis for badgering rhetoric against facts expressed in a reasonably Decent, Reasonous, AND, of course, Common Sense way.

 

 

AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!!

 

Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!!

 

Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!!

 

Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!!

 

Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!!

 

Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!!

 

 

OK, YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, brought up the same point TWICE. SAME questions YOU need to answer.

 

AND YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, are OK with the Flat Earth Biblical FALSE Doctrine, LIES, AND DECEPTION???!!!

 

Doesn't the Biblical FALSE Doctrine anger You, LadyGrace'sDaddy, because a Flat Earth is a LIE???!!!

 

Aren't YOU, LadyGrace'sDaddy, the liberal not being angered by the LIE of the Flat Earth that misconstrues Biblical TRUTH???!!!

 

Could You explain WHY, pray tell???!!!

 

Do LIES, like a Flat Earth, even concern You???!!!

 

Isn't THAT YOUR, LadyGrace'sDaddy, weakness to be unconcerned about Biblical FALSE Doctrine???!!!

 

 

Titus 1:12-16

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12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”[a] 13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.

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Titus 1:12 From the Cretan philosopher Epimenides

 

1 Timothy 6:19-21

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19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.

Grace be with you all.

 

Jeremiah 5:30-31

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30 “A horrible and shocking thing
    has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy lies,
    the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
    But what will you do in the end?

 

2 Thessalonians 2:09-12

New International Version

9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

 

OBVIOUSLY, NO FLAT EARTH IS EVER NOTED IN THE BIBLE WHEREAS A SPHERICAL (geoidal) Earth IS NOTED IN THE BIBLE:

 

Isaiah 40:21-22

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21 Do you not know?
Do you not hear?
Has it not been told to you since the very beginning?
Have you not understood from the time the earth’s foundations were made?
22 He is the one who sits on the earth’s horizon;[a]
its inhabitants are like grasshoppers before him.[b]
He is the one who stretches out the sky like a thin curtain,[c]
and spreads it out[d] like a pitched tent.[e]

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Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “the circle of the earth” (so KJV, NIV, NRSV, NLT).

Isaiah 40:22 tn The words “before him” are supplied in the translation for clarification.

Isaiah 40:22 tn The otherwise unattested noun דֹּק (doq), translated here “thin curtain,” is apparently derived from the verbal root דקק (“crush”) from which is derived the adjective דַּק (daq, “thin”; see HALOT 229 s.v. דקק). The nuance “curtain” is implied from the parallelism (see “tent” in the next line).

Isaiah 40:22 tn The meaning of the otherwise unattested verb מָתַח (matakh, “spread out”) is determined from the parallelism (note the corresponding verb “stretch out” in the previous line) and supported by later Hebrew and Aramaic cognates. See HALOT 654 s.v. *מתה.

Isaiah 40:22 tn Heb “like a tent [in which] to live”; NAB, NASB “like a tent to dwell (live NIV, NRSV) in.”

 

Exodus 14:27

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27 So Moses extended his hand toward the sea, and the sea returned to its normal state[a] when the sun began to rise.[b] Now the Egyptians were fleeing[c] before it, but the Lord overthrew[d] the Egyptians in the middle of the sea.

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Exodus 14:27 tn The Hebrew term לְאֵיתָנוֹ (leʾetano) means “to its place,” or better, “to its perennial state.” The point is that the sea here had a normal level, and now when the Egyptians were in the sea on the dry ground the water would return to that level.

Exodus 14:27 tn Heb “at the turning of the morning”; NASB, NIV, TEV, CEV “at daybreak.”

Exodus 14:27 tn The clause begins with the disjunctive vav (ו) on the noun, signaling either a circumstantial clause or a new beginning. It could be rendered, “Although the Egyptians…Yahweh…” or “as the Egyptians….”

Exodus 14:27 tn The verb means “shake out” or “shaking off.” It has the significance of “throw downward.” See Neh 5:13 or Job 38:13.

 

Exodus 22:3

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3 If the sun has risen on him, then there is blood guilt for him. A thief[a] must surely make full restitution; if he has nothing, then he will be sold for his theft.

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Exodus 22:3 tn The words “a thief” have been added for clarification. S. R. Driver (Exodus, 224) thinks that these lines are out of order, since some of them deal with killing the thief and then others with the thief making restitution, but rearranging the clauses is not a necessary way to bring clarity to the paragraph. The idea here would be that any thief caught alive would pay restitution.

 

Psalm 104:22

New English Translation

22 When the sun rises, they withdraw
and sleep[a] in their dens.

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Psalm 104:22 tn Heb “lie down.”

 

Ecclesiastes 1:5

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The sun rises[a] and the sun sets;[b]
it hurries away[c] to a place from which it rises[d] again.[e]

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Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The Hebrew text has a perfect verbal form, but it should probably be emended to the participial form, which occurs in the last line of the verse. Note as well the use of participles in vv. 4-7 to describe what typically takes place in the natural world. The participle זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising (and continually setting) day after day.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “the sun goes.” The participle בָּא (baʾ, “to go in”) emphasizes continual, durative, uninterrupted action (present universal use of participle): the sun is continually rising and continually setting day after day. The repetition of בָּא in 1:4-5 creates a comparison between the relative futility of all human endeavor (“a generation comes and a generation goes [בָּא]”) with the relative futility of the action of the sun (“the sun rises and the sun goes” [i.e., “sets,” בָּא]).

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn Heb “hastens” or “pants.” The verb שָׁאַף (shaʾaf) has a three-fold range of meanings: (1) “to gasp; to pant,” (2) “to pant after; to long for,” and (3) “to hasten; to hurry” (HALOT 1375 s.v. שׁאף; BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף). The related Aramaic root שׁוף means “to be thirsty; to be parched.” The Hebrew verb is used of “gasping” for breath, like a woman in the travail of childbirth (Isa 42:14); “panting” with eagerness or desire (Job 5:5; 7:2; 36:20; Ps 119:131; Jer 2:24) or “panting” with fatigue (Jer 14:6; Eccl 1:5). Here שָׁאַף personifies the sun, panting with fatigue, as it hastens to its destination (BDB 983 s.v. I שָׁאַף 1). The participle form depicts continual, uninterrupted, durative action (present universal use). Like the sun, man—for all his efforts—never really changes anything; all he accomplishes in his toil is to wear himself out.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The verb זוֹרֵחַ (zoreakh, “to rise”) is repeated in this verse to emphasize that the sun is locked into a never changing, ever repeating monotonous cycle: rising, setting, rising, setting.

Ecclesiastes 1:5 tn The word “again” does not appear in Hebrew, but is supplied in the translation for clarity and smoothness.

 

Nahum 3:17

New English Translation

17 Your courtiers[a] are like locusts,
your officials[b] are like a swarm of locusts!
They encamp in the walls on a cold day,
yet when the sun rises, they[c] fly away,[d]
and no one knows where they[e] are.[f]

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Nahum 3:17 tn Or “your guards.” The noun מִגְּזָרַיִךְ (miggezarayikh, “your courtiers”) is related to Assyrian manzazu (“courtier”; AHw 2:639.a) or massaru (“guard”; AHw 2:621.a); see HALOT 601 s.v. *מִגְּזָר). The nuance “princes,” suggested by older lexicographers (BDB 634 s.v. מִנְזַר), is no longer considered valid.

Nahum 3:17 tn The noun טַפְסְרַיִךְ (tafserayikh, “your scribes”) from טִפְסָר (tifsar, “scribe, marshal”) is a loanword from Assyrian tupsarru and Sumerian DUB.SAR (“tablet-writer; scribe; official”); see BDB 381 s.v. טִפְסָר; HALOT 379 s.v. This term is also attested in Ugaritic tupsarru and in Phoenician dpsr. As in Jer 51:27, it is used of military and administrative officials. This term designated military officials who recorded the names of recruits and the military activities of Assyrian kings (see P. Machinist, “Assyria and its Image in the First Isaiah,” JAOS 103 [1983]: 736).

Nahum 3:17 tn Heb “it flees.”

Nahum 3:17 tc The BHS editors propose redividing the singular MT reading וְנוֹדַד (venodad, “and it flees”) to the plural וְנוֹדְדוּ (venodedu, “and they flee”) due to the difficulty of a singular verb. However, the LXX supports the singular MT reading. The subject is גוֹב (gov, “swarm”), not individual locusts.

Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads the noun with third person masculine singular suffix מְקוֹמוֹ (meqomo, “its place”). The BHS editors suggest emending to third person masculine plural suffix מְקוֹמָם (meqomam, “their place”). The MT is supported by the LXX reading, which has a singular suffix. The third person masculine singular suffix is not as awkward as the BHS editors claim—its antecedent is the singular אַרְבֶּה (ʾarbeh, “locust”) and גוֹב גֹבָי (gov govay, “a swarm of locusts”), as reflected by the third person masculine singular verb וְנוֹדַד (translated “it flies away”).

Nahum 3:17 tc The MT reads אַיָּם (ʾayyam, “Where are they?”); see, e.g., Isa 19:12; DCH 1:202-3 s.v. אֵי; HALOT 40 s.v.). On the other hand, the LXX’s οὐαί αὐτοῖς (ouai autois, “Woe to them!”) seems to reflect a reading of אֶיָּם (ʾeyyam, “Alas to them!”). The BHS editors suggest emending to אֵיכָה (ʾekhah, “Alas!” or “How?”) and join it to v. 18, or אוֹי מַה (ʾoy mah, “Woe! Why…?”) joined to v. 18. HALOT (40 s.v.) suggests the emendation אֵיךָ (ʾekha, “Alas to you!”).tn Heb “Its place is not known—where are they?” The form אַיָּם has been taken in various ways: (1) an interrogative adverb with third person masculine plural suffix (“where are they?”; GKC 296-97 §100.o; BDB 32 s.v. אַי 1.a); (2) an interrogative particle אֵי (ʾey, “where?”) lengthened to אַיָּה (ʾayyah) and written with the enclitic particle ־ם (mem; GKC 295 §100.g), similar to ayyami (“where?”) in Assyrian (CAD 1.1.220); see W. A. Maier, Nahum, 356; R. D. Patterson, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah (WEC), 111; T. Longman, “Nahum,” The Minor Prophets, 2:826

 

Matthew 5:44-45

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44 But I say to you, love your enemy and[a] pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like[b] your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

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Matthew 5:44 tc Most mss (D L W Δ Θ ƒ13 33 565 579 700 1241 1424 M lat sy(p),h) read “bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you,” before “those who persecute you.” But this is surely a motivated reading, importing the longer form of this aphorism from Luke 6:27-28. The shorter text is found in א B ƒ1 sys,c sa bopt mae, as well as several fathers.

Matthew 5:45 tn Grk “be sons of your Father in heaven.” Here, however, the focus is not on attaining a relationship (becoming a child of God) but rather on being the kind of person who shares the characteristics of God himself (a frequent meaning of the Semitic idiom “son of”). See L&N 58.26.

 

James 1:11

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11 For the sun rises with its heat and dries up the meadow; the petal of the flower falls off and its beauty is lost forever.[a] So also the rich person in the midst of his pursuits will wither away.

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James 1:11 tn Or “perishes,” “is destroyed.”

 

The Sun RISES AND SETS FOR A SPHERICAL (geoidal) shaped Earth.

 

THERE CAN NOT BE RISING AND THE SETTING OF THE SUN FOR A Flat Earth as the noted video portrays above.

 

Good stuff I can tell you really want me to be on the "straight and narrow" and i get the feeling you don't want me to be led astray but I must say, in the same bible (i prefer kjv) if i could read hebrew it would def be a hebrew bible but here we are, at the end of the day, i stand on the earth with the planets moving around about me in a circle with fixed stars (constellations) behind them that also move as a whole. From my actual physical sense perception. I am at the center. Now Spiritually is techically all that matters, and really spiritual sight is recognizing that there is only One Power. So truly for me this is just fun to play around with, but you most know, it doesn't sway me to care if it is round or flat or whatever. However i do like asking questions, for myself! 

 

At the end of the day the Will of God will never take you to where the Grace of God will not protect you.

 

So really if we keep having heartfelt conversations with the One Power, and we ask for grace and mercy in every moment, we will be like Daniel in the Lions den, where only God is our Judge and not man.

 

Now am i capable of anchoring down Gods Will in every moment...no it takes a constant awareness and i fade, however, I am waaaaaay better than i have ever been, because at least know if i have an attack thought, i am able to catch it and acknowledge God as the One true power and when i do that BAM whatever was afflicting me goes away...

 

 

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So i don't think i am bothered like you are Synopsis. And i don't want to get you all worked up, but at the same time, i don't have control over you, and you don't have control over me. I like you though. I can tell you believe you are saving people. But im saved when I call on the One power. It is something i control, unfortunately no one can do it for me.

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6 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

So pray tell, how many times have you brought this issue up with God? And were you willing to hear something totally different from what you believe? 

 

I ask for HIS wisdom and discernment.

 

If by Scripture I believe what is wrong, then I repent.

 

Facts are for the realm of facts. Opinions are for the realm of opinion. Opinions are not for the realm of facts. Facts in the realm of opinion are unwelcomed by the baselessly opinionated.

 

The Earth is NOT Flat NOR does the Bible EVER indicate the Earth is Flat.

 

Doesn't the LIE of a Flat Earth concern You?

 

The Flat Earth "postulations" are ALL dismissed by ACTUAL physical phenomena noted. Flat Earth "proofs" are doctored, LIES, AND DECEPTION.

 

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For THIS Flat Earth "postulation" to be real, the Sun AND Moon would each HAVE to pass through some kind of light blocking curtain OFF the horizon. The Scripture is CLEAR the Sun RISES AND SETS LIKE WE PHYSICALLY VIEW TODAY.

 

Are YOU REALLY that comfortable with the OBVIOUS LIE OF A Flat Earth?

 

Do YOU believe in a Flat Sun AND Flat Moon, too, instead of the Sun AND Moon being ACTUALLY SPHERICAL in shape?

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45 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

I ask for HIS wisdom and discernment.

 

If by Scripture I believe what is wrong, then I repent.

 

Facts are for the realm of facts. Opinions are for the realm of opinion. Opinions are not for the realm of facts. Facts in the realm of opinion are unwelcomed by the baselessly opinionated.

 

The Earth is NOT Flat NOR does the Bible EVER indicate the Earth is Flat.

 

Doesn't the LIE of a Flat Earth concern You?

 

The Flat Earth "postulations" are ALL dismissed by ACTUAL physical phenomena noted. Flat Earth "proofs" are doctored, LIES, AND DECEPTION.

 

image.png.d25bc23992c38f431f5a88c65716a6a8.png

 

For THIS Flat Earth "postulation" to be real, the Sun AND Moon would each HAVE to pass through some kind of light blocking curtain OFF the horizon. The Scripture is CLEAR the Sun RISES AND SETS LIKE WE PHYSICALLY VIEW TODAY.

 

Are YOU REALLY that comfortable with the OBVIOUS LIE OF A Flat Earth?

 

Do YOU believe in a Flat Sun AND Flat Moon, too, instead of the Sun AND Moon being ACTUALLY SPHERICAL in shape?

Sooooooo,  Am I to understand that in this issue you won't take it to God because it's 'Stupid' and you already know what you know? Just like every single person I've ever asked. Therefore, let me give you two more scriptures, 

 

Matthew 5:22

.... but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

How Christ like is that? You claiming to know the mind of God whilst calling those with whom you disagree, "Wicked Fools".

 

Matthew 18;3

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

Ask yourself, what does this mean? How do I come to God as a "Little Child? 

Any parent should easily be able to answer that question. A Little Child is constantly filled with questions. Seemingly bombarding their parents all day with questions after questions. Trusting that Daddy always has the right answer. With a pure and innocent heart joyfully receiving what they are told. 

 

The greatest tragedy of humanity is that very few people will understand this and that is why the road to hell needs to be so wide. 

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6 hours ago, Synopsis said:

 

I ask for HIS wisdom and discernment.

 

If by Scripture I believe what is wrong, then I repent.

 

Facts are for the realm of facts. Opinions are for the realm of opinion. Opinions are not for the realm of facts. Facts in the realm of opinion are unwelcomed by the baselessly opinionated.

 

The Earth is NOT Flat NOR does the Bible EVER indicate the Earth is Flat.

 

Doesn't the LIE of a Flat Earth concern You?

 

The Flat Earth "postulations" are ALL dismissed by ACTUAL physical phenomena noted. Flat Earth "proofs" are doctored, LIES, AND DECEPTION.

 

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For THIS Flat Earth "postulation" to be real, the Sun AND Moon would each HAVE to pass through some kind of light blocking curtain OFF the horizon. The Scripture is CLEAR the Sun RISES AND SETS LIKE WE PHYSICALLY VIEW TODAY.

 

Are YOU REALLY that comfortable with the OBVIOUS LIE OF A Flat Earth?

 

Do YOU believe in a Flat Sun AND Flat Moon, too, instead of the Sun AND Moon being ACTUALLY SPHERICAL in shape?

 

 

No there does not have to be a curtain, it is showing you that the sun and moon cast a certain amount of light, just like you see the sun moving further away from you dims out, same thing. And by the way the sun and moon are different light...

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On 2/14/2021 at 11:52 AM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

talking about the Flat Earth

Again LGD sorry to hijack the thread...

World’s Longest | Danyang Kunshan Grand Bridge

What is the purpose of this bridge?  Danyang Kunshan Grand Bridge is actually part of the Beijing-Shanghai High Speed Railway.

(Important to note as there is a whole science on Railroad engineering and I am too spent to get it tonight.)

The bridge is around 100 feet from the ground with a span of 260 feet and, as we touched on above, a length of 164.8 km.

Danyang-Kunshan Bridge

According to the earth curvature calculator the bridge should have dropped an astounding 6,668.41 feet or 1.262956 miles

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