Baghdad reaches an agreement with Erbil on the 2021 budget

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A leader in victory determines the terms of the agreement between Al-Kazemi and the Kurdish delegation

 

 

 

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Special The leader of the victory coalition, Aqeel Al-Rudaini, clarified, on Wednesday, December 23, 2020, the terms of the recent agreement between the Prime Minister, Mustafa Al-Kazemi, and the Kurdish delegation, regarding resolving the outstanding problems between the two parties. Al-Rudaini said in an interview with (Baghdad Today), "The two parties agreed to oblige the region to hand over Baghdad 250 thousand barrels per day with non-oil revenues, provided that the first hand over the salaries of employees in Kurdistan," indicating that "this agreement was to be included in the 2021 budget only. The second borrowing law has nothing to do with it. " He added that "Kurdistan demands Baghdad to pay money 3 months of the second borrowing amounts approved by the House of Representatives to cover the salaries, but the Al-Kazemi government is unable to meet such a request because it is obligated to do so within the second borrowing law," noting that "approval of this matter requires application The regional government undertakes its commitments to the federal government regarding oil and border crossings. " And on filing a lawsuit against the region to recover all the money that had been unlawfully received in the past without fulfilling his pledges, Al-Radini said, "This step is not on the table at the present time." The Deputy Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government, Qubad Talabani, announced yesterday, Tuesday, the agreement with the federal government on the draft federal budget bill for the fiscal year 2021, indicating that the share of the Kurdistan region will be 12.67%. Talabani said in a press conference held in Baghdad and followed him (Baghdad Today), "We have agreed with the federal government about the 2021 budget, and we have also come to Baghdad to implement the fiscal deficit law. We do not know our share of the fiscal deficit financing law yet and we are waiting for an answer from the federal government." And that Baghdad hand us our share of the fiscal deficit law. " He added, "There are challenges facing us in 2021. We must all join hands to solve these crises, and I am very optimistic about solving all political and economic problems from Zakho to Fao." Talabani added, "We in the Kurdistan region showed our preparations in the year 2019 to hand over oil revenues, and we handed over oil revenues to the federal government, and it remained in these three months to hand over the revenues in order to receive our dues from the fiscal deficit law." And that "our dialogues are continuing with Baghdad and have not failed, and the points that were discussed with the federal government have become part of the budget. The percentage of the Kurdistan region’s share of the 2021 budget is 12.67%, which is less than the 17% that was previously."

[ChuckFinley]

Thanks Yota. 

 

Kurds taking 12.67 vs 17%, they all know something and that is the Dinar is going to revalue.   

[patrick50]

I hope and pray you are right Chuck we need to end this year on good terms!

Go RVVVV

[ChuckFinley]

Just now, patrick50 said:

I hope and pray you are right Chuck we need to end this year on good terms!

Go RVVVV

 I am hoping I am right too. 

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Iraq news now

960 billion dinars ... disclosure of an agreement to send Baghdad the salaries of Kurdistan employees for three months

https://iraqakhbar.com/2820076

 

News source / Baghdad today

News source / Baghdad today
Baghdad today - Kurdistan
A member of the Finance Committee in the Parliament of the Kurdistan Region, Bahjat Ali, revealed, on Wednesday (December 23, 2020), an agreement to send Baghdad the salaries of the region's employees for the last three months of the current year.

Ali said in an interview with (Baghdad Today), "The regional government will pay the salaries of its employees for the remainder of the months of the current year in the event that the federal government sends the sums."

He added, "An agreement has been made with Baghdad regarding the region's share of the deficit financing law, and the conditions set by the Federal Parliament have been approved, and we are waiting for the sums to be sent for three months."

A member of the region’s parliament explained that "the revenues available to Kurdistan are not sufficient to pay the salaries of employees and the government borrowed from companies to pay the salary for the month of October after the demonstrations that occurred in Sulaymaniyah."

He pointed out that "after the agreement, salaries are expected to arrive in the coming days, and the regional government will immediately launch the salaries for the second month, after the arrival of 960 billion dinars."

Yesterday , the Deputy Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government, Qubad Talabani, announced the agreement with the federal government on the draft federal budget bill for the fiscal year 2021, indicating that the share of the Kurdistan region is 12.67 %. .

Talabani said in a press conference held in Baghdad and followed him (Baghdad Today), “We have agreed with the federal government about the 2021 budget, and we have come to Baghdad also to apply the fiscal deficit law. And that Baghdad hand us our share of the fiscal deficit law.

He added, "There are challenges facing us in 2021, and we must all join hands to solve these crises, and I am very optimistic about solving all political and economic problems from Zakho to Fao."

Talabani added, "We in the Kurdistan region showed our preparations in the year 2019 to hand over oil revenues, and we handed over oil revenues to the federal government, and it remained in these three months to hand over the revenues in order to receive our dues from the fiscal deficit law."

And that "our dialogues are continuing with Baghdad and did not fail, and the points that were discussed with the federal government have become part of the budget. The percentage of the Kurdistan region’s share of the 2021 budget is 12.67%, which is less than the 17% that was previously

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The results of the negotiations with Baghdad at the table of the Kurdistan government and Barzani demand international intervention

Editing date: 23/12/2020 16:33 • http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=105500

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Council of Ministers of the Kurdistan Region discussed, on Wednesday, the results of the negotiations with the federal government, and the Chairman of the Council, Masrour Barzani, called on the United Nations to participate as a third party in the talks in Erbil - Baghdad, while the negotiating delegation indicated that the Kurdistan Regional Government implemented all its constitutional obligations and did not It leaves a justification for Baghdad not to send financial dues.

The regional government said in a statement, that the Council of Ministers of the Kurdistan Region held its regular session today, headed by Prime Minister Masrour Barzani and in the presence of Deputy Prime Minister Qubad Talabani.

At the beginning of the meeting, the Prime Minister valued the efforts and endeavors of the negotiating delegation of the Kurdistan Regional Government with the federal government, which stayed in Baghdad for two weeks and conducted a series of meetings and meetings with senior officials in the federal government during that period.

The Prime Minister indicated that the Kurdistan Regional Government has implemented all its obligations within the framework of the constitution, leaving no justification for the federal government with the aim of reaching a fair agreement that guarantees the rights and financial dues of the Kurdistan Region.

He stressed: "We will never give up our constitutional rights, and it is regrettable that the issue of salaries and financial dues has become a political pressure card used against the citizens of the Kurdistan Region."

The Prime Minister called on the United Nations to participate, as a third party, and from now on in the talks between the Kurdistan Region and the federal government to determine the rights and duties of each party.

After that, the government negotiating delegation presented the results of his visit to Baghdad, and indicated that the visit aims to secure financial dues for the Kurdistan Region, and also touched on how to agree on the region's share in the 2021 draft budget, which was subsequently voted on by the Federal Cabinet.

The negotiating delegation also reviewed the content of the talks regarding the application of the law on financing the fiscal deficit (borrowing), and stressed that his visit to Baghdad was in order to implement the law and not negotiate about it, and announced the implementation of all the obligations of the region and did not leave any justification and reason for not financing the Kurdistan Region, In light of this, the Cabinet affirmed that the federal government must send financial dues to the Kurdistan Region under the Fiscal Deficit Financing Law.

The Council of Ministers decided to inform the Kurdistan Parliament, political parties, parties and public opinion in the region about the details of the talks and the latest developments with the federal government.

In another paragraph of the meeting, Minister of Finance and Economy Awat Sheikh Janab and Minister of Planning Dara Rashid provided estimates regarding revenues, the volume of spending and the expected fiscal deficit in the Kurdistan Region for the fiscal year 2021, as well as the preparations of the relevant ministries to prepare the draft general budget for the Kurdistan Region for the year 2021. After discussion and exchange of views A set of proposals and recommendations aimed at organizing expenditures, taxes, and revenues in the Kurdistan Region were discussed.

On raising the value of the dollar against the Iraqi dinar, the Council of Ministers directed the relevant ministries to closely monitor the markets and put an end to raising prices from people trying to exploit the current situation for their own interests and thus increase the burden on citizens.

In another paragraph of the meeting, the Cabinet discussed the epidemiological situation and the new strain of Coronavirus, as Minister of Health Saman Barzanji presented a special report in this regard, while the Cabinet decided to tighten preventive measures and health instructions in public places, the private sector, institutions and government departments

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2020/12/23

• https://almasalah.com/ar/news/202864/وفد-الاقليم-زيارتنا-إلى-بغداد-كانت-لتنفيذ-قانون-الاقتراض-وليس-التفاوض-حوله

The region’s delegation: Our visit to Baghdad was to implement the borrowing law, not negotiate it

Baghdad / Obelisk: The Council of Ministers of the Kurdistan Region held, on Wednesday, December 23, 2020, its regular session chaired by Prime Minister Masrour Barzani and in the presence of his deputy Qubad Talabani.

In a statement, the Council of Ministers of Kurdistan said that at the beginning of the meeting, Barzani valued the efforts and efforts of the negotiating delegation of the Kurdistan Regional Government with the federal government, which stayed in Baghdad for two weeks and conducted during that period a series of meetings and meetings with senior officials in the federal government.

He pointed out that the Kurdistan Regional Government had implemented all its obligations within the framework of the constitution, leaving no justification for the federal government in order to reach a fair agreement that would guarantee the rights and financial dues of the Kurdistan region.

He continued: We will never give up our constitutional rights, and it is regrettable that the issue of salaries and financial dues has become a political pressure card used against the citizens of the Kurdistan region.

Barzani called on the United Nations to participate, as a third party, and from now on in the talks between the Kurdistan region and the federal government to determine the rights and duties of each party.

The government negotiating delegation presented the results of his visit to Baghdad, and indicated that the visit aims to secure financial dues for the Kurdistan region, and also touched on how to agree on the region's share in the 2021 budget draft, which was voted on by the Federal Cabinet later.

The negotiating delegation also reviewed the contents of the talks regarding the application of the law on financing the fiscal deficit, and stressed that its visit to Baghdad was in order to implement the law and not negotiate about it, and announced the implementation of all the obligations of the region and left no justification and reason for not financing the Kurdistan region.

In light of this, the Cabinet affirmed that the federal government must send financial dues to the Kurdistan region under the Fiscal Deficit Financing Law.

The Cabinet decided to inform the Kurdistan Parliament, the political parties, parties and public opinion in the region about the details of the talks and the latest developments with the federal government.

On raising the value of the dollar against the Iraqi dinar, the Cabinet directed the relevant ministries to closely monitor the markets and put an end to raising prices from people trying to exploit the current situation for their own interests and thus increase the burden on citizens.

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SULAIMANI — Change Movement (Gorran) Lawmaker Hoshyar Abdulla said on Tuesday (December 22) that the Kurdistan Region is not legally allowed to sell oil directly without returning to Iraq.

Abdulla, who is a member in the Council of Representatives’ Finance Committee said in NRT’s Panorama program, that Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) Deputy Prime Minister Qubad Talabani, who led the KRG negotiating delegation, had said during the meetings in Baghdad that “halting the sale of oil is not in their power and is a historical decision.”

He said that he wished that Talabani “could have talked about the meetings with Iraq’s delegation frankly,” adding that “this time, Qubad Talabani spoke for the whole Iraq and not just for the Kurdistan Region,” referring to his speech in the press conference on Tuesday night.

Abdulla said the Kurdistan Region and Iraq are the same “in corruption and there are no differences” between them.

Talabani said during the press conference that the delegation was able to reach an agreement with the federal government setting the Region’s budget share in the draft 2021 Federal Budget Law at 12.67 percent.

The KRG and the federal government are engaged in a long-running dispute over financial entitlements and oil exports that has only grown deeper as economic conditions have deteriorated because of low oil prices and the coronavirus pandemic.

(NRT Digital Media)

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SULAIMANI — Spokesperson for the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) Jotiar Adil said on Wednesday (December 23) that the KRG cannot pay salaries to the Kurdistan Region’s public sector employees for the last two months in 2020 if the federal government does not send the Region’s funds.

During a press conference after a meeting of the KRG Council of Ministers, Adil said that the KRG has called for six months’ worth of salaries from the federal government as the cabinet incumbent Iraqi Prime Minister Kadhimi has sent two funds in seven months since its inauguration in May.

KRG has saved five months’ salaries in 2020 without determining any timeframe for repaying them and has fallen behind in paying other salaries on time and in full, as well as it withheld salaries for several months in the past few years under an austerity scheme.

The KRG and the federal government are engaged in a long-running dispute over financial entitlements and oil exports that has only grown deeper as economic conditions have deteriorated because of low oil prices and the coronavirus pandemic.

(NRT Digital Media)

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Al-Khanjar is surprised by the denunciations of the parties that agreed with the government to raise the dollar

 

 2020-12-23 08:16https://shafaq.com/ar/سیاسة/الخنجر-يستغرب-تنديدات-اطراف-اتفقت-مع-الحكومة-على-رفع-الدولار

Shafaq News / The Secretary-General of the Arab Project, Khamis Al-Khanjar, revealed today, Wednesday, that all political parties have agreed with the Iraqi government to raise the value of the dollar against the Iraqi dinar to improve the economic situation of the country, expressing his surprise at the denunciations issued by those parties.

Al-Khanjar said in his tweet on Twitter, "At the meeting of the leaders of the political blocs, everyone agreed to support government measures in an attempt to save the economy," adding, "Today, I was surprised by the large number of statements condemning these measures, as if we were hearing about them for the first time!"

Al-Khanjar pointed out that "the country needs a serious stand that addresses the issues with courage," noting, "We and other leaders of the blocs had proposals on the economic reform plan presented by the government, and ideas for amending some programs."

"But in the end, everyone decided to support the government in its economic path, and monitor performance in a way that does not cause harm to the citizen who is already suffering from the ravages of financial and economic confusion," he said.  

Earlier, Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kazemi assured young state employees that the general financial budget for the next year 2021 will not affect their salaries, but rather higher-ranking employees.

Last Monday, the Iraqi Council of Ministers approved the country's financial budget for the next year 2021 in preparation for sending it to Parliament for a vote.

The approval came after an emergency session of the Council of Ministers that lasted for three consecutive days.

The budget estimated the exchange rate of the dinar at 1450 per dollar, according to what was announced by the Central Bank, while the region’s share of it was determined at about 12 percent.

 

[6ly410]

Source of "Al Ahd News": The Council of Ministers of the region meets to discuss the financial situation

https://alahadnews.net/146434/خاص-بوكالة-العهد-نيوز/

 

Author: ahad6 On 12/23/2020 - 1:50 PM 128

A senior Kurdish source said that the Council of Ministers in the Kurdistan Regional Government met today to discuss the financial situation of the region.

The source said, "Al Ahd News", "The council discussed the region's share of the federal budget for 2021

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[NeedRv]

On 12/20/2020 at 8:51 AM, currenzcraze said:

Hold on this roller coaster ride is headed to the top and we will be stuck for a minute.  If you have ever been stuck on a roller coaster like I have you know what I mean.

Its like getting to the top of the roller coster and waiting for the drop...... we been stuck at the "almost top spot" for 10+ years.... we are about a inch from the top... now we wait for the release... and drop.... RV!!!! 

[6ly410]

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region — The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) called on Wednesday for the United Nations (UN) to join its talks with Baghdad as an observer, according to a KRG statement, following an agreement between the two governments on the federal budget bill for 2021.

The KRG held a cabinet meeting in Erbil on Wednesday to discuss its latest talks with Baghdad over its budget share and entitlements. 

Prime minister Masrour Barzani “called on the United Nations to attend the discussions between the Kurdistan Region and the federal government as a third party, so that the rights and duties of each side are clear,” read the statement from the KRG.

Barzani did not elaborate on whether the KRG has yet directed such a request at the UN.

Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert, chief of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI), said during a virtual meeting of the UN Security Council on November 24 that “The payment of public civil servants should be shielded from political disputes; they cannot and should not be collectively victimized. A solution is urgent, and political will to find a way out will - once more - prove essential.” 

“It should be clear, however, that a Kurdish region public servant is not only a Kurdish region public servant: she or he is also an Iraqi citizen,” she added.

However, Barzani accused the Iraqi government of using budget issues as "a trump card against the people of Kurdistan Region.” 

Deputy Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Region Qubad Talabani said on Tuesday night that Erbil and Baghdad have reached a deal on Iraq’s Federal Budget Bill for the year 2021. “This budget bill keeps the common interest of all Iraqi people, including the people of Kurdistan Region.”
 
Talabani had been leading a KRG delegation to Baghdad which had met with several officials from the federal government and political leaders in the last two weeks.

Iraq's Council of Ministers voted to approve the Federal Budget Bill for 2021 in a meeting led by Iraqi prime minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi on Monday night.

The budget has been a point of contention between Erbil-Baghdad for several years, especially after the Kurdistan Region's decision to sell its oil through Turkey, and the Islamic State (ISIS) attack on Iraq in 2014.

Struggling to pay its civil servants, Baghdad decided to take out loans from the Central Bank of Iraq to pay its civil servants for the remaining months of 2020. The parliament passed Fiscal Deficit Coverage Bill on November 12. 

The bill passed with a majority vote, despite a walkout staged by Kurdish MPs, who were angered that Erbil would be obliged to hand over an unspecified amount of oil in exchange for funds – a clause they claimed was not in the original bill.

The law allowed the Iraqi government to borrow 12 trillion Iraqi dinars ($10 billion) from the central bank. 

KRG spokesperson Jotiar Adil told reporters on Wednesday that the KRG has shown its readiness to commit to the loans law, adding they have been promised their share. 

“Parliament and the political parties have promised to specify and send the budget share and salaries of the Kurdistan Region’s civil servants from the loans law before the New Year. I hope they implement this promise.” 

The KRG has not been able to pay its civil servants on time and in full for months since the collapse of oil prices, budget cuts by Baghdad, and the spread of coronavirus. 

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A leader in victory determines the terms of the agreement between Al-Kazemi and the Kurdish delegation

https://iraqakhbar.com/2820894

 

News source / Baghdad today

News source / Baghdad today
Baghdad Today - Special
The leader of the victory coalition, Aqeel Al-Rudaini, clarified, on Wednesday, December 23, 2020, the terms of the recent agreement between the Prime Minister, Mustafa Al-Kazemi, and the Kurdish delegation, regarding resolving the outstanding problems between the two parties.

Al-Rudaini said in an interview with (Baghdad Today), that "the two parties agreed to oblige the region to hand over Baghdad 250 thousand barrels per day with non-oil revenues, provided that the first hand over the salaries of employees in Kurdistan," indicating that "this agreement was to be included in the 2021 budget only. The second borrowing law has nothing to do with it. ”

He added that "Kurdistan demands Baghdad to pay money 3 months from the second borrowing amounts approved by the House of Representatives to cover the salaries, but the Al-Kazemi government is unable to meet such a request because it is obligated to do so within the second borrowing law," noting that "approval of this matter requires application The territorial government has pledged to the federal government regarding oil and border crossings.

And on filing a lawsuit against the region to recover all the money that it had received unlawfully in the past without fulfilling its pledges, Al-Radini said, "This step is not on the table at the present time."

The Deputy Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government, Qubad Talabani, announced yesterday, Tuesday, the agreement with the federal government on the draft federal budget bill for the fiscal year 2021, indicating that the share of the Kurdistan region will be 12.67%.

Talabani said in a press conference held in Baghdad and followed him (Baghdad Today), “We have agreed with the federal government about the 2021 budget, and we have come to Baghdad also to apply the fiscal deficit law. And that Baghdad hand us our share of the fiscal deficit law.

He added, "There are challenges facing us in 2021. We must all join hands to solve these crises, and I am very optimistic about solving all political and economic problems from Zakho to Faw."

Talabani added, "We in the Kurdistan region showed our preparations in the year 2019 to hand over oil revenues, and we handed over oil revenues to the federal government, and it remained in these three months to hand over the revenues in order to receive our dues from the fiscal deficit law."

And that "our dialogues are continuing with Baghdad and did not fail, and the points that were discussed with the federal government have become part of the budget. The percentage of the Kurdistan region’s share of the 2021 budget is 12.67%, which is less than the 17% that was previously

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More moaning from the Kurds, no surprise there.

[yota691]

Kurdish deputy: Baghdad and Erbil did not agree, and the region annually receives 13 trillion dinars from the federal government

 

 

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Baghdad The deputy from Sulaymaniyah province, Ghaleb Muhammad Ali, said today, Friday, that until now, there is no agreement between Erbil and Baghdad regarding the region's dues, indicating that Kurdistan annually receives 13 trillion dinars from Baghdad. "The members of Parliament from the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan bloc did not sign to transfer the salaries of employees from the region to the federal government, " Muhammad Ali said in a tweet that he saw (Baghdad today) . He added, "Until this moment, there is no agreement between Qubad Talabani and the central government about 250 thousand barrels of oil and half of the imports at border crossings, indicating that, the Iraqi government annually sends 13 trillion dinars to the region." The focus of negotiations that the Kurdish delegation is conducting with government officials in the capital, Baghdad, on the deficit financing law, which was enacted by Parliament last month, and on the draft federal budget law next year.

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The Kurdistan Region is preparing for a new and decisive round of negotiations with Baghdad

 

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 2020-12-25 08:39

 

Shafaq News / The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan bloc in the Iraqi Parliament announced on Friday the intention of Kurdistan Region to form a high-ranking political delegation to visit the capital, Baghdad, before the federal budget for 2021 is approved, with the aim of settling financial differences between the two sides.

 

A member of the Union, Faiq Yazidi, told Shafaq News, "The Kurdistan Region continues dialogue with Baghdad and there is convergence of views, and work is currently underway to form a Kurdish political delegation to go to Baghdad before the general budget law is approved in the Iraqi parliament."

 

He added that "there is an agreement between Baghdad and Erbil that the region’s share is 12.60% in the public budget," noting that "there are political parties trying to use this for electoral purposes to reject the agreement and disburse the region's dues."

 

Regarding the region’s financial dues according to the borrowing law, Yazidi pointed out that "the fiscal deficit financing law has only been left for days and it will be completed," stressing that "there is no specific amount or time for Baghdad to send money to Erbil."

 

On Tuesday, the Kurdistan Regional Government’s negotiating delegation to Baghdad announced that it had succeeded in reaching an agreement with the federal government, which led to the latter’s approval to refinance the salaries of employees working in the public sector in the region in accordance with the fiscal deficit (borrowing) law legislated by Parliament in addition to fixing Kurdistan’s share in The federal budget for 2021.

 

This came in a press conference held by the delegation’s head, Qubad Talabani, deputy prime minister of the region, Tuesday, nearly 15 days after the delegation entered a series of talks that took place in the capital, Baghdad, with senior officials in the federal government and influential Iraqi political parties in the country.

 

The salaries of the region’s employees were not included in the fiscal deficit law enacted by the Iraqi parliament last November, although Baghdad and Erbil reached an agreement last August to send Baghdad 320 billion dinars to Erbil per month to cover part of the region’s employees’s expenses until an agreement is reached. Final on the differences between the two sides.

 

And Baghdad proceeded to cut the salaries of the region’s employees last April, after the government then led by Adel Abdul Mahdi said that Erbil had not fulfilled its budgetary obligations to deliver 250 thousand barrels of oil to the federal government, which the regional government denied.

 

 

 

Over the past few months, the two sides have been engaged in intensive discussions to reach an agreement to resolve the outstanding issues.

[WheresmyRV?]

Will them 2 ever get along and agree on something?  Geesh this is getting seriously old.

[jeepguy]

19 minutes ago, WheresmyRV? said:

Will them 2 ever get along and agree on something?  Geesh this is getting seriously old.

about  4 years ago  old !!!

 

[Theseus]

2 hours ago, WheresmyRV? said:

Will them 2 ever get along and agree on something?  Geesh this is getting seriously old.

Until this is put into a separate bill, Baghdad and Erbil will be here year after year. The Budget law is only good for one year. Unless this 2021 Budget law is for the three year budget they want to pass. Then it is only good for three years and I cannot see Erbil agreeing to a 3 year fixed rate on oil considering the state of the oil industry.

[horsesoldier]

3 hours ago, WheresmyRV? said:

Will them 2 ever get along and agree on something?  Geesh this is getting seriously old.

They’re not so far away from putting this lunacy on life support are they?

[WheresmyRV?]

1 hour ago, horsesoldier said:

They’re not so far away from putting this lunacy on life support system" rel="">support are they?

Yep they're getting close to that for sure.