Michigan GOP Backtracks After Blocking Vote Certification

[Shabibilicious]

Michigan GOP backtracks after blocking vote certification

ED WHITE

Tue, November 17, 2020, 8:05 PM EST

 

 

DETROIT (AP) — In an abrupt about-face, Michigan's largest county on Tuesday night unanimously certified election results showing Democrat Joe Biden defeating President Donald Trump, hours after Republicans first blocked formal approval of voters' intentions.

The initial move was quickly condemned by Democrats, election experts and spectators at the Wayne County Board of Canvassers online meeting as a dangerous attempt to block the results of a free and fair election.

“We depend on democratic norms, including that the losers graciously accept defeat. That seems to be breaking down,” said Joshua Douglas, a law professor at the University of Kentucky.

The state vote certification process is usually a routine task, and the ultimate resolution in Wayne County propels Biden toward formal victory in Michigan. Still, Tuesday's chaotic developments are likely to sow more doubt among Trump's supporters in the election results and could galvanize Republicans in other states to try to look for ways to slow down the final steps in making his loss official.

Republicans are also trying to stop formal certification of the election results in other swing states, including Arizona, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

Biden crushed Trump in Wayne County, a Democratic stronghold, by more than a 2-1 margin and won Michigan by 146,000 votes, according to unofficial results. His victory reversed Trump's surprise 2016 gains in the industrial Midwest and put Biden on the path to clearing the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House.

Still, Trump and his allies have launched an array of baseless attacks on the integrity of the election and numerous lawsuits aimed at slowing down the formal vote certification process. Each state certifies its election results and the Electoral College meets Dec. 14 to codify the results.

In Michigan, Trump allies and Republican poll challengers have spent days launching unsuccessful litigation. They claimed fraud during absentee ballot counting at a Detroit convention center, but two judges found no evidence and refused to stop the canvassing process.

It's against that backdrop that the Wayne County Board of Canvassers met Tuesday. In a rare and extraordinary move, they did not bless the will of Detroit-area voters. Instead, the panel split in a 2-2 vote, with Republicans voting against certification of the results.

Monica Palmer, one of the two Republicans, said poll books in certain precincts in Detroit — a majority-Black city — were out of balance. Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat on the panel, said the discrepancies were the result of “human error" and called it “reckless and irresponsible” to not certify the results.

There has been no evidence of widespread voting fraud in Michigan, or in any other state. Federal and state officials from both parties have declared the 2020 election safe and secure.

Still, Trump has spent the two weeks since Election Day raising false claims of voter fraud and refusing to concede to Biden. He relished the initial developments in Michigan, tweeting, “Having courage is a beautiful thing."

But the broader condemnation was swift, including from the meeting's online spectators, who blasted Palmer and fellow Republican William Hartmann during a public comment period over Zoom.

The Rev. Wendell Anthony, a well-known pastor and head of the Detroit branch of the NAACP, called their actions a “disgrace.”

“You have extracted a Black city out of a county and said the only ones that are at fault is the city of Detroit, where 80% of the people who reside here are African Americans. Shame on you!” Anthony said, his voice rising.

Ned Staebler, a vice president at Wayne State University in Detroit, said, “The stain of racism that you, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer, have just covered yourself in is going to follow you throughout history.”

Law student Joseph Zimmerman, a veteran, told the canvassers “it breaks my heart” to see them undermine the “sacred right” to vote.

After the meeting, Hartmann said the intense criticism didn’t cause him to change his vote. Rather, he said he acted because the board had agreed to ask the secretary of state to investigate Detroit’s election results.

Certification of the Nov. 3 election results in each of Michigan's 83 counties is a step toward statewide certification by the Michigan Board of State Canvassers and the eventual awarding of 16 electoral votes.

"Glad to see common sense prevailed in the end,” Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan said after the Wayne County reversal. “Thank you to all those citizens who spoke up so passionately. You made the difference!”

Michigan Democratic Party chair Lavora Barnes called the initial 2-2 vote “blatant racism.”

At least six election-related lawsuits have been filed in Michigan, the latest one landing Sunday in federal court. The issues that Trump’s allies have raised are typical in every election: problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.

On Tuesday, the Arizona Republican Party asked a judge to bar Maricopa County, the state’s most populous, from certifying until the court issues a decision about the party’s lawsuit seeking a new hand-count of a sampling of ballots. In a more rural county, Mohave, election certification was delayed until Nov. 23 in a sign of solidarity with the remaining election challenges in the state.

Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades Tuesday to argue in Pennsylvania that the certification there should be delayed over concerns of voter fraud, though there was no widespread fraud reported.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-county-fails-certify-vote-010532050.html

 

GO RV, then BV

[coorslite21]

10 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Michigan GOP backtracks after blocking vote certification

ED WHITE

Tue, November 17, 2020, 8:05 PM EST

 

 

DETROIT (AP) — In an abrupt about-face, Michigan's largest county on Tuesday night unanimously certified election results showing Democrat Joe Biden defeating President Donald Trump, hours after Republicans first blocked formal approval of voters' intentions.

The initial move was quickly condemned by Democrats, election experts and spectators at the Wayne County Board of Canvassers online meeting as a dangerous attempt to block the results of a free and fair election.

“We depend on democratic norms, including that the losers graciously accept defeat. That seems to be breaking down,” said Joshua Douglas, a law professor at the University of Kentucky.

The state vote certification process is usually a routine task, and the ultimate resolution in Wayne County propels Biden toward formal victory in Michigan. Still, Tuesday's chaotic developments are likely to sow more doubt among Trump's supporters in the election results and could galvanize Republicans in other states to try to look for ways to slow down the final steps in making his loss official.

Republicans are also trying to stop formal certification of the election results in other swing states, including Arizona, Nevada and Pennsylvania.

Biden crushed Trump in Wayne County, a Democratic stronghold, by more than a 2-1 margin and won Michigan by 146,000 votes, according to unofficial results. His victory reversed Trump's surprise 2016 gains in the industrial Midwest and put Biden on the path to clearing the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the White House.

Still, Trump and his allies have launched an array of baseless attacks on the integrity of the election and numerous lawsuits aimed at slowing down the formal vote certification process. Each state certifies its election results and the Electoral College meets Dec. 14 to codify the results.

In Michigan, Trump allies and Republican poll challengers have spent days launching unsuccessful litigation. They claimed fraud during absentee ballot counting at a Detroit convention center, but two judges found no evidence and refused to stop the canvassing process.

It's against that backdrop that the Wayne County Board of Canvassers met Tuesday. In a rare and extraordinary move, they did not bless the will of Detroit-area voters. Instead, the panel split in a 2-2 vote, with Republicans voting against certification of the results.

Monica Palmer, one of the two Republicans, said poll books in certain precincts in Detroit — a majority-Black city — were out of balance. Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat on the panel, said the discrepancies were the result of “human error" and called it “reckless and irresponsible” to not certify the results.

There has been no evidence of widespread voting fraud in Michigan, or in any other state. Federal and state officials from both parties have declared the 2020 election safe and secure.

Still, Trump has spent the two weeks since Election Day raising false claims of voter fraud and refusing to concede to Biden. He relished the initial developments in Michigan, tweeting, “Having courage is a beautiful thing."

But the broader condemnation was swift, including from the meeting's online spectators, who blasted Palmer and fellow Republican William Hartmann during a public comment period over Zoom.

The Rev. Wendell Anthony, a well-known pastor and head of the Detroit branch of the NAACP, called their actions a “disgrace.”

“You have extracted a Black city out of a county and said the only ones that are at fault is the city of Detroit, where 80% of the people who reside here are African Americans. Shame on you!” Anthony said, his voice rising.

Ned Staebler, a vice president at Wayne State University in Detroit, said, “The stain of racism that you, William Hartmann and Monica Palmer, have just covered yourself in is going to follow you throughout history.”

Law student Joseph Zimmerman, a veteran, told the canvassers “it breaks my heart” to see them undermine the “sacred right” to vote.

After the meeting, Hartmann said the intense criticism didn’t cause him to change his vote. Rather, he said he acted because the board had agreed to ask the secretary of state to investigate Detroit’s election results.

Certification of the Nov. 3 election results in each of Michigan's 83 counties is a step toward statewide certification by the Michigan Board of State Canvassers and the eventual awarding of 16 electoral votes.

"Glad to see common sense prevailed in the end,” Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan said after the Wayne County reversal. “Thank you to all those citizens who spoke up so passionately. You made the difference!”

Michigan Democratic Party chair Lavora Barnes called the initial 2-2 vote “blatant racism.”

At least six election-related lawsuits have been filed in Michigan, the latest one landing Sunday in federal court. The issues that Trump’s allies have raised are typical in every election: problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.

On Tuesday, the Arizona Republican Party asked a judge to bar Maricopa County, the state’s most populous, from certifying until the court issues a decision about the party’s lawsuit seeking a new hand-count of a sampling of ballots. In a more rural county, Mohave, election certification was delayed until Nov. 23 in a sign of solidarity with the remaining election challenges in the state.

Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, stepped into a courtroom for the first time in decades Tuesday to argue in Pennsylvania that the certification there should be delayed over concerns of voter fraud, though there was no widespread fraud reported.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-county-fails-certify-vote-010532050.html

 

GO RV, then BV

 

First off....no one is trying to hold up the process....rather let's get it right...

 

In Wayne Co there were enough issues for 2 members to not feel comfortable in certifying the vote there.... they were quickly reigned in by the party.....

All this does is reinforce the issue that the election process was corrupt....

The best evidence of this will be revealed soon...

CL

[Shabibilicious]

4 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

First off....no one is trying to hold up the process....rather let's get it right...

 

In Wayne Co there were enough issues for 2 members to not feel comfortable in certifying the vote there.... they were quickly reigned in by the party.....

All this does is reinforce the issue that the election process was corrupt....

The best evidence of this will be revealed soon...

CL

 

"soon"....there's that word again.

 

GO RV, then BV

[coorslite21]

1 minute ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

"soon"....there's that word again.

 

GO RV, then BV

The IQD journey has prepared us well.....😉

CL

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, coorslite21 said:

The IQD journey has prepared us well.....😉

CL

 

Taught us patience if nothing else.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[adhoc10]

31 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

All this does is reinforce the issue that the election process was corrupt....

The best evidence of this will be revealed soon...

 They say history has a way of repeating itself  and this could be the proof (or lack of it).  Hillarious and Trump could start their own  support group. `Candidates who had their presidency stolen from them'. 🤣If I remember correctly, the nation did a similar dance in 2016.. oh!  oh!   wait!!!    there was nothing proven in 2016, and it looks like 2020 will turn out the same. 

[Shabibilicious]

7 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

 They say history has a way of repeating itself  and this could be the proof (or lack of it).  Hillarious and Trump could start their own  support group. `Candidates who had their presidency stolen from them'. 🤣If I remember correctly, the nation did a similar dance in 2016.. oh!  oh!   wait!!!    there was nothing proven in 2016, and it looks like 2020 will turn out the same. 

 

Actually the Michigan Secretary of State said last night that in Wayne county the unbalanced voting was about 42%, unbalanced meaning something as simple as a person signing it to vote and for some reason decided to leave the polling station without actually voting....But in Wayne county in 2016 the unbalanced voting was about 80% and it was still certified with much less fanfare than what we see now.  Sorry, don't have a link.

 

GO RV, then BV

[coorslite21]

To me it appears to be mob rule and intimidation.....of course the race card was played.....and as JD insinuated yesterday the weak from right melted into a puddle and conceded to the MOB.....   CL

 

Copy & paste issues....link coming....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/18/republican-certifiers-in-michigan-back-down-after-refusing-to-approve-biden-win

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coorslite21]

From the article above...

 

Really.....is this how we run our elections?

CL

 

Spectators chided the Republicans’ act as a dangerous attempt to overthrow the will of voters, while opponents including Michigan Democratic party chair, Lavora Barnes, called the initial 2-2 vote tie “blatant racism” by the two who tried to block the process.

 

But the two rogue, Republican canvassers first rejected official certification of the Detroit-area election result.

Monica Palmer, a Republican, said poll books in certain Detroit precincts were out of balance. In response, Jonathan Kinloch, a Democrat, said it was “reckless and irresponsible” not to certify the results.

“It’s not based upon fraud. It’s absolutely human error,” he said of any discrepancies. “Votes that are cast are tabulated.” The board then listened to spectators criticising Palmer and fellow Republican William Hartmann, via a Zoom online meeting, during the meeting’s public comment period.

“The Trump stain – stain of racism – that you have covered yourself in is going to follow you throughout history,” spectator and professor Ned Staeblerblasted, visibly angry.

In a viral rebuke, Staebler added: “Millions of people around the world now know them as two racists willing to disenfranchise Black voters by order, lacking an understanding of integrity or a shred of human decency.”

 

Reverend Wendell Anthony, a local pastor and head of Detroit’s branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) called them a “disgrace”.

 

After hours facing intense claims their dispute was politically and racially motivated, both Palmer and Hartmann reconsidered, voting unanimously to certify the county’s election results while demanding Michigan secretary of state conduct a comprehensive audit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[adhoc10]

13 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

To me it appears to be mob rule and intimidation

Based on the information posted in the link you provided, it appears you classified mob rule as the voice of the constituents in Wayne county who questioned the  actions taken by the two republican certifiers. You spun it like they reversed course because they were intimidated rather than they reversed course because they knew they did the wrong thing and were trying to redeem themselves. 

[coorslite21]

12 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

Based on the information posted in the link you provided, it appears you classified mob rule as the voice of the constituents in Wayne county who questioned the  actions taken by the two republican certifiers. You spun it like they reversed course because they were intimidated rather than they reversed course because they knew they did the wrong thing and were trying to redeem themselves. 

 

I didn't spin anything....I stand by mob rule.....and intimidation....they didn't just question their intentions...

 

They wouldn't have demanded an audit if they were trying to "redeem" themselves.....

 

There is more than enough evidence of indiscretions, in the entire State of Michigan, regarding this election, to judge it as a contested State....

 

I suspect those recorded in this article calling these two electors out will be facing some legal issues.....

 

CL

 

[adhoc10]

6 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

I suspect those recorded in this article calling these two electors out will be facing some legal issues.....

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long and a resolution will come SOON🤣

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Let me just put it bluntly here. Shabbs, candyman, and B/A<>Johnny boy all stand for this behavior. 

That's to say deceitful media manipulation and serious voter intimidation. These two State Senators were threatened with not only their lives but their families lives also. According to Lunatic leftists this behavior is acceptable in the name of the PARTY. 

What they fail to understand is that God will judge all. But first they'll have to answer to real Americans. 

[Shabibilicious]

4 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Let me just put it bluntly here. Shabbs, candyman, and B/A<>Johnny boy all stand for this behavior. 

That's to say deceitful media manipulation and serious voter intimidation. These two State Senators were threatened with not only their lives but their families lives also. According to Lunatic leftists this behavior is acceptable in the name of the PARTY. 

What they fail to understand is that God will judge all. But first they'll have to answer to real Americans. 

 

Wait, what?!....the canvassers are State Senators?  And please stop with the threats....you have no idea what I stand for.  And as a Trump supporter yourself, have no moral leg to stand on.  God will most definitely judge....but not because of a person's chosen U.S. Presidential vote.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[adhoc10]

20 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

God will judge all

YOU SHOULD KNOW ----- GOD DOES NOT JUDGE

[MyLadiesDaddy]

24 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Wait, what?!....the canvassers are State Senators?  And please stop with the threats....you have no idea what I stand for.  And as a Trump supporter yourself, have no moral leg to stand on.  God will most definitely judge....but not because of a person's chosen U.S. Presidential vote.  

 

GO RV, then BV

Where did I threaten you? As for my morality, you've clearly shown your disdain for my faith already, so I really don't care what you think of me. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

YOU SHOULD KNOW ----- GOD DOES NOT JUDGE

WHAT  bible did you read 

[Shabibilicious]

38 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

But first they'll have to answer to real Americans. 

 

What does this mean?  What's with the gunslinger?  What are you saying and to who?

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited November 18, 2020 by Shabibilicious

[Dinarrock]

LGD can the mods do a legal vote this week on BANNING the trouble makers that are purposely trying to insight violence and disruption here among the dinar community?? You do the vote using the dominion voting system and tell them it will be on the up and up and then just kick these trouble makers off the site!!

[adhoc10]

3 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Where did I threaten you? As for my morality, you've clearly shown your disdain for my faith already, so I really don't care what you think of me. 

 

 

WHAT  bible did you read 

THE ONE THAT YOU DIDN'T, SHOW ME

[adhoc10]

2 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

What are you saying and to who?

 

ONE OF THE SHORT COMINGS OF A FORUM DIALOGUE???

[Dinarrock]

1 minute ago, adhoc10 said:

THE ONE THAT YOU DIDN'T, SHOW ME

Wow Clueless birds really do flock together truly unbelievable! It’s not her job to show you anything maybe you should just start from the beginning and reread a couple of times!

[Shabibilicious]

3 minutes ago, Dinarrock said:

Wow Clueless birds really do flock together truly unbelievable! It’s not her job to show you anything maybe you should just start from the beginning and reread a couple of times!

 

You should study the posters you interact with a bit....LGD is a man.    Just trying to help....would hate for anybody to refer to you as clueless, over and over and over.....

 

GO RV, then BV

Edited November 18, 2020 by Shabibilicious

[adhoc10]

2 minutes ago, Dinarrock said:

Clueless birds really do flock together truly unbelievable! It’s not her job to show you anything maybe you should just start from the beginning and reread a couple of times!

Talk about clueless...LGD is not a her,  

[Dinarrock]

Yeah sorry I typed my post quickly thanks for catching that though..lol...however I would strongly recommend you two actually read the Bible cover to cover again before it’s too late for you!

Edited November 18, 2020 by Dinarrock

[MyLadiesDaddy]

4 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

What does this mean?  What's with the gunslinger?  What are you saying and to who?

 

GO RV, then BV

It means that Patriotic Americans are never going to accept Communist in America. Never going to accept that the Lunatic leftists in cahoots with their propaganda machine,MSM, are going to get away with stealing the election. 

As for the gunslinger, it represents an era of America where justice was quick and final. A time when liberals hadn't corrupted the judicial system. So do you also have as big a problem with it when @TexasGranny uses it? 

As to whom I'm speaking, as with all things internet I consider every single post I make as speaking to the whole world, especially your employer.