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BAGHDAD - Iraqis have not hidden apprehension that the victory of Democratic candidate Joe Biden in the US presidential elections will give a new impetus to the pro-Iranian militias in their country, as its leaders competed to express their support for this change.

Iraq has been finding itself for years caught in a power struggle between its two main allies, Tehran and Washington, a conflict that has become more complex, especially with the outgoing US President Donald Trump's adoption of a policy of "maximum pressure" against Iran since 2018.

"The Trump period is a period of destruction and a negative period that has caused problems and crises," said Muhammad Mohi, a spokesman for Kataib Hezbollah, the most prominent pro-Iranian faction in Iraq.

The pro-Iranian currents in Iraq welcomed the victory of Joe Biden in the US presidential elections, which reinforced the fears of officials and activists that a possible US-Iranian understanding could enhance the influence of these militias in the country.

Mohi added, "For us as Iraqis, the most important goal we want to achieve ... is the exit of US forces from Iraq and that (Washington) adhere to the proper diplomatic frameworks to deal with Iraq as a state."

Mohi denounced Trump against the background of the "major crime" of killing Iranian General Qassem Soleimani and the deputy head of the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Authority, Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandis, who had a key role in establishing the Hezbollah Brigades, in a drone strike in Baghdad last January.

In response, the Iraqi parliament voted at the beginning of the year in favor of a resolution calling for the exit of foreign forces from Iraq. Washington responded by threatening to tighten sanctions on Iraq, and even to close the US embassy in Baghdad.

"We do not expect that the American policy will change with the change of the president of the republic," said Nasr Al-Shammari, deputy secretary-general of the pro-Iranian movement. "However, choosing another personality with a style of dealing may open up areas for cooperation between countries."

Al-Shammari stresses that "the resistance depends on its willingness, strength and patience in implementing the decision of all Iraqis to expel foreign forces from Iraqi lands, including US forces."

Sunni politician Khamis Khanjar, who allied with Iran in the 2018 legislative elections, agrees with this opinion, as he saw in a tweet that “Biden’s victory is a new opportunity for the world for another page of stability and dialogue.”

But for the Iraqi blogger Yusef, who preferred not to reveal his full name, these opinions are suspicious. And he said, "Those politicians who called the United States" the Devil "and raised the slogan" Death to America ", congratulated Biden on his victory in the presidency, how if they congratulate an old friend.

Iraqi-American relations declined to low levels during the era of former Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi, who was considered by Washington to be very close to Iran. I recovered a little with Mustafa Al-Kazemi's rise to power in May, and his meeting with Trump and US officials in Washington in August.

During that visit, Al-Kazemi also met Democratic US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in an attempt to "open the door" to her party if Biden wins, according to his advisers.

Al-Kazemi places his top priority on easing the Iranian grip on his country by curbing its militias and re-balancing the Iraqi foreign policy, and in this he has support from the Trump administration, but the change of the US administration may affect his plans.

Details about Biden's foreign strategy are still vague, but the president-elect has previously dealt with Iraqi events. In 2003, he gave his vote in favor of the invasion of Iraq that led to the overthrow of the late Saddam Hussein, and he was among the most prominent democratic figures in support of that.

In 2006, he participated in writing an article calling for the division of Iraq into “three regions with wide autonomy,” which are divided among the most prominent sectarian and ethnic components, namely the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.

Biden has personal relations with some of the incumbent officials, especially President Barham Salih, who described Biden Saturday as a "reliable friend and partner." Al-Kazemi congratulated the new president for his role.

However, some Iraqi officials expressed their fear that Biden’s presidency would be a reason to “encourage” pro-Iranian factions in the country and increase their influence. Some fear that his return to the nuclear agreement concluded during the era of former President Barack Obama when Biden was Vice President. They consider that this stage allowed Iran to extend its influence more widely in the region.

"We do not want Obama's policy to return to our country when he encouraged other countries to intervene in our internal affairs and allowed the forces of terrorism and militias to grow under his watch," said Deputy Zafer Al-Ani, who is the vice-chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee in Parliament.

Iraqi television channels opened the air for days to cover the US presidential race. But on the street, the reactions were conservative.

In Tahrir Square, which was the center of anti-government demonstrations a year ago, students and activists were preparing to take part in a pre-planned protest protest against government performance, and they paid little attention to Biden's victory.

"I, as an Iraqi, prefer Trump to remain in power," said 74-year-old Abu Saad, but "for Iraqis who are familiar with American political affairs, they do not see that changing presidents will lead to a change in US policy."

Protester Zainab, 43, expressed her “hope that (the new president) will help Iraq, which is now going through an economic and political crisis and is on the verge of elections” in June 2021.

Biden has two months to be sworn in as President of the United States, and therefore, Iraqis see that it is not possible to predict what Trump will do during this period.

Two Iraqi officials expected that the outgoing administration would issue a "sanctions list" against Iranian interests in Iraq, and one of them said that Trump would "escalate the situation," adding, "I doubt there will be any military action, but if it does, that will not surprise us."

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11 hours ago, Rmc10 said:

This was copied from another site. This was and is the agenda. It was all planned. I still believe Trump will win and can delay it a little while longer. 

 

Now you understand why there was never any action against the Clintons or Obama, how they destroyed emails and evidence and phones and servers, how they spied and wiretapped, how they lied to FISA, had conversations on the tarmac, sent emails to cover their asses after key meetings, how Comey and Brennan and Clapper never were brought to any justice, how the FBI and CIA lied, how the Steele Dossier was passed along, how phones got factory reset, how leak after leak to an accomplice media went unchecked, why George Soros is always in the shadows, why Romney and Paul and Bush and McCain were all involved, why they screamed Russia and pushed a sham impeachment, why no one ever goes to jail, why no one is ever charged, why nothing ever happens. Why there was no wrongdoing in the FISA warrants, why the Durham report was delayed. Why Hunter will walk scott free. Why the FBI sat on the laptop. Why the Biden’s connection to China was overlooked as was unleashed the perfect weapon, a virus that could be weaponized politically to bring down the greatest ever economy and usher in unverifiable mail in voting. Why the media is 24/7 propaganda and lies, why up is down and down is up, right is wrong and wrong is right. Why social media silences the First Amendment and speaks over the President of the United States. This has been the plan by the Deep State all along. They didn’t expect Trump to win in 2016. He f'd ***edited***up their plans. Delayed it a little. They weren’t about to let it happen again. Covid was weaponized, Governors helped shut down their states, the media helped shame and kill the economy, and the super lucky unverifiable mail in ballots were just the trick to make sure the career politician allegedly with hands in Chinese payrolls that couldn’t finish a sentence or collect a crowd, miraculously became the most popular vote recipient of all time.
You have just witnessed a coup, the overthrow of the US free election system, the end of our constitutional republic, and the merge of capitalism into the slide toward socialism. What will happen next? Expect the borders to open up. Increased immigration. Expect agencies like CBP and INS and Homeland Security to be muzzled or even deleted. Law enforcement will see continued defunding. The electoral college will be gone. History erased. Two Supreme Court Justices might be removed. The Supreme Court will be packed. Your 2nd Amendment will be attacked. If you have a manufacturing job or oil industry job, get ready. If you run a business, brace for impact. Maybe you’ll be on the hook for slavery reparations, or have your suburbs turned into Section 8 housing. Your taxes are gonna go up, and businesses will pay more. I could go on and on. There is no real recovery from this. The elections from here on will be decided by New York City, Chicago, and California. The Republic will be dead. Mob rule and appeasement will run rampant. The candidate who offers the most from the Treasury will get the most votes. But the votes voted won’t matter, just the ones received and counted. That precedent has been set.
“Benjamin Franklin was walking out of Independence Hall after the Constitutional Convention in 1787, when someone shouted out, ‘Doctor, what have we got? A republic or a monarchy?’”
Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”
Ladies and gentlemen, you will now lose your Republic. You turned from God. You turned from family. You turned from country. You embraced degeneracy culture. You celebrated and looked to fools. You worshipped yourselves selfishly as you took for granted what men died to give you. You disregarded history and all it teaches. On your watch, America just died a little. It’s likely she’ll never be the same again.
Some of you have no idea what you’ve done. Sadly, some of you did.

Thanks RMC. Wow that was shocking and some probably true.  I'm still believing President Trump is the reprieve from the judgement of God on America for turning her back on Him. President Trump loves the USA, honors Israel, and acknowledges God, among all the other things that make him not a politician,  I read we are coming up on the 400 year anniversary that the Mayflower arrived to America, coincidence, oh the timing, I see the Founding fathers cheering President Trump on.  Pray God forgives America for turning away from Him.  Only God could turn this all around and bring glory to Himself to save a country that modeled it's self like Israel making a Covenant with God-which no other country in the world has done aside from Israel.  We are at a tipping point. The USA is not referenced in Revelation, why, because the left somewhere in time gets it's way and we are no longer a super power.  Pray hard that it is not this time now.  Pray for a reprieve and that a man who loves God and stands for what the Bible says is reelected. And when it happens, the world will be shocked and say, only God could have done such a thing. As Kim Clement said, A plan so brilliant only God could have thought of it.  Pray the corruption is revealed! :flagsmiley:

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On 11/8/2020 at 8:57 AM, dinarham said:

Knowing this was coming , Trump had all ballots were incripted  with a  QFS blockchain watermark that enables all votes to be tracked. Biggest sting operation  ever .Trump pulls back and waits.

I would encourage Trump to get his ducks lined up and cease making unsubstantiated claims. Right now he is creating more chaos for the country and further dividing the nation.  If he really is in a position of power, maybe he could act like it and not come across as a desperate loser. 

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45 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

I would encourage Trump to get his ducks lined up and cease making unsubstantiated claims. Right now he is creating more chaos for the country and further dividing the nation.  If he really is in a position of power, maybe he could act like it and not come across as a desperate loser. 

Are you able to give examples of these claims?

 

1.Unsubstantiated claims

2.Creating more chaos for the country

3. Coming across as a desperate loser.

 

I would like to try and understand. Thank you.

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28 minutes ago, Longtimelurker said:

Are you able to give examples of these claims?

 

28 minutes ago, Longtimelurker said:

 

1.Unsubstantiated claims

claims of vote fraud with no proof, only smack talk

 

2.Creating more chaos for the country

he is using his position to further prolong the divisive climate in the country

 

3. Coming across as a desperate loser.

Kicking and screaming as he is being asked to move on. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Dinarrock said:

Wow aren’t you completely clueless

Luckily for you, I don't take this personally and consider that even a weather rock can predict what is happening better than you as it doesn't have to work through a twisted set of beliefs. 

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" so get a Clue brother  and find God somehow because the time you will spend on earth is very very short compared to the time you will spend elsewhere after you leave this earth! God will win every time that’s a promise!!!"  OMG This is an election and these are human beings.  At what point in time do you find yourself above others to decide who has found God and who has not.  You are definitely drinking the 'cool aid'.  as Biden said........whether we are R or D we are Americans and we need to learn to live together and get along.  We have become the laughing stock to others outside of America with all this name calling and bickering.  I feel as if I am back teaching 3rd grade and we are out on the playground!!!!

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10 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

 

 

Adhoc,

I appreciate your response. Would you mind reviewing my perception to the situation in relation to the same questions?

 

1.Voter fraud.

 

I am curious as to why you say this.

I see proof of voter fraud all over the internet. Sharpie gate in Arizona, 45% of mail in ballots in Arizona dont have the water marks, boxes of Trump ballots in trash, closets etc nationwide and the list goes on..

 

2. Using position to further prolong the divisive climate in country. 

 

I could be wrong here but my understanding of the law is that we are waiting for each state to declare a winner but that can't happen until the counts are final.  Not 1 state has declared a winner yet. It pisses me off that the t.v stations (in my opinion) lied to us the citizens about this. So I feel we are waiting on the system to do its thing including the courts. I very well might be missing something or I could be misinformed. Do you understand it differently and how so?

 

3. Kicking and screaming while being asked to move on.

 

I am not aware of Trump doing much of anything up to this point other than having a few press conferences and going golfing. I follow this pretty closely. I kind of wish I saw him speak more often and with more energy. Trump has been much calmer about the process than most people I know including myself but again this is just my perception. Would you mind elaborating on this more, I would like to research it so I can possibly see your point of view. 

 

Again.. I'm only trying to have a conversation to better understand. I do appreciate your willingness to communicate with me👍

 

 

 

 

 

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37 minutes ago, uttexan said:

" so get a Clue brother  and find God somehow because the time you will spend on earth is very very short compared to the time you will spend elsewhere after you leave this earth! God will win every time that’s a promise!!!"  OMG This is an election and these are human beings.  At what point in time do you find yourself above others to decide who has found God and who has not.  You are definitely drinking the 'cool aid'.  as Biden said........whether we are R or D we are Americans and we need to learn to live together and get along.  We have become the laughing stock to others outside of America with all this name calling and bickering.  I feel as if I am back teaching 3rd grade and we are out on the playground!!!!

No brother the only cool-aid that is being drunk is you and your liberal blockheaded friends mark my words! Biden is a completely corrupt politician and wait for it it’s coming to bite him very very soon! Yes we are the laughing stock in the world but not for the reasons you and the Sheep think!! The Election Will be proven 100% fraudulent and I for one will be laughing at all you liberal cry babies wondering what happened!! Wait for it......so yes when Trump stays in office and proven the winner and says whether we are R or D and all Americans need to come together and live together please remember those words and tell all your clueless sheep Demorat friends to STOP rioting and looting ok??? Good thing you don’t have to worry about that since you two sheep look like you both live in Texas!!

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This election is very important to most people in this country and we all feel that we are correct based off of the information we have acquired over the course of the last few years or lifetime. Unfortunately for everyone, we have ALL been lied to by our televisions for a very long time. Should we blame or get mad at those that have trusted those sources that used to be trustworthy? We can, and I have many times but then we are falling into their trap that they set out for us. We are not sheep anymore, we are waking up to all sorts of exposures and I am trying harder to discuss my differences instead of forcing my beliefs on anyone. The more I wake up, the more I realize how every single one of us was duped by the same politicians, corporations and actors. Its not our fault that it happened but the way we act or react after learning about it is our fault. We can win as human beings if we have the mindset of helping and not of being right or wrong. We were ALL screwed over but will all WAKE UP at a different pace. Nobody is better than anyone else just because we happened to realize the truth sooner. 

 

It will be hard enough on everyone when this darkness comes to light and if we truly want to win over darkness we need to help others when we are able to. We are all in this together and we are all great people who were mislead. 

 

Spread love not hate.

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We trump supporters are a cohesive group ,while the dems are divided and imploding on themselves . This says a great deal to me .  It is important to stay positive for others and for our own selves .  We Trump supporters are the only thing that stands between corruption and chaos that could swallow our country as we know and love it . The world wide implications of the US going down the tubes are not good . We should feel humbled and honored to be placed in this position. Don't give into the negativity ,it's as easy as falling off a log.

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On 11/8/2020 at 9:57 AM, dinarham said:

 It's not over for Trump until the fat lady sings . ,mans and ladies . I stayed up all night watching and Trump's substantial lead in evening hours absolutely deteriorated overnight while most people were sleeping . Trump knew there was going to be fraud ,saying it's not who you vote for but who counts your vote . Knowing this was coming , Trump had all ballots were incripted  with a  QFS blockchain watermark that enables all votes to be tracked. Biggest sting operation  ever .Trump pulls back and waits.

The tracked watermarked ballots, if true, will do.  "After having done all, stand."  The Lord God.

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At the risk of getting in trouble with Mr. Adam, I'm gonna be vague

 

:flagsmiley:There is something going around about writing a letter to a big house demanding an audit for something in 50 states *wink wink*

And if said letter should be written it should be done ASAP :flagsmiley:

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On 11/9/2020 at 1:17 PM, uttexan said:

as Biden said........whether we are R or D we are Americans

We are Americans, but when it comes to Real Politicians, 47 years of do nothing but talk, the R & D sounds nice but it not reality. You bring the subject of God up, it the D that omitted God out of the Pledge of Alliance @ Democratic Convention. Heck these folks won't even swear on a Bible when they are sworn in...Heck not to change the subject but look a Biden view on the COVID, Biden lied all day about the virus and this new anti virus with over 90% success rate, folks are getting sick and dying and Biden still Politicking and playing with folks Lives..Sad

On 11/9/2020 at 1:17 PM, uttexan said:

" so get a Clue brother  and find God somehow because the time you will spend on earth is very very short compared to the time you will spend elsewhere after you leave this earth!

It's called Eternity

 

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On 11/8/2020 at 5:38 PM, Artitech said:

My wife came down with those shingles! That is the worst thing I think I have ever seen! She suffered for about 6 weeks hers started on her back , right below her neck! When she first got it, she likes to garden and work in her yard! We first thought she got into some poison Ivey started treating her for that a couple of days went by and this stuff gets worse and started spreading! So I asked where she was working, cause that stuff was leaving the ranch! I went out and started looking for it , no poison Ivey or oak to be found! So the next day I take her to dr, lucky our dr recognized what it was and started treating her for the shingles! Like I say, I know, I m not tuff enough for that terrible virus.  Hers spread up her neck and around her ear and chest! Big ole painful blisters and they  itched very badly she said! Now 2 years later it looks like she was burned badly on her neck back and chest! I damn sure don’t want to catch that stuff so I went and got the shots! Cost me around $500.00 for both shots! Believe me you don’t want to catch this crap it’s very bad! My wife went and got the shots too! As they said she could catch it again! Again this BAD NEWS! Get your shots!! You are so right Theseus!! Thank you for bringing up this very bad virus and warning everyone! JMHO P.S. if you have ever had chicken pox your carrying the virus it’s just dormant! 🤠

I can sympathise with your wife because I have had them .. if you can get to see a doctor within 72 hours they can give you something that stop it spreading  .. I can assure though it doesn’t stop the pain nor the risk of getting it again. 

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1 hour ago, fancy said:

At the risk of getting in trouble with Mr. Adam, I'm gonna be vague

 

:flagsmiley:There is something going around about writing a letter to a big house demanding an audit for something in 50 states *wink wink*

And if said letter should be written it should be done ASAP :flagsmiley:

I saw that too!

I will definitely be writing a letter to the White House demanding that audit!! 😎

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On 11/9/2020 at 11:48 AM, adhoc10 said:

I would encourage Trump to get his ducks lined up and cease making unsubstantiated claims. Right now he is creating more chaos for the country and further dividing the nation.  If he really is in a position of power, maybe he could act like it and not come across as a desperate loser. 

You mean like for four years one half of the United States claimed 2016 was an illegitimate election. Or how a candidate plants their flag on the office before recounts and legal battles have had time to work their way through the process. By calling half the country deplorables, racists, white supremacists, uncle toms and other -isms. Now you want people to act like everything is happy happy joy joy because OMB and  TDS is rampant amongst the left?

 

The US Constitution provides a clear path to how elections are run before, during and after elections are handled. Just because people vote dos not mean the election is over. Some states are noteven done with the voting process and are still accepting ballots until Friday November 13 and yet you want to declare the election over with.

 

Afford all candidates their Constitutional rights to see through the election. Seems like the desperate ones are the ones on the left to declare a winner before the runners have even crossed the finish line just because OMB.

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On 11/10/2020 at 3:48 AM, adhoc10 said:

I would encourage Trump to get his ducks lined up and cease making unsubstantiated claims. Right now he is creating more chaos for the country and further dividing the nation.  If he really is in a position of power, maybe he could act like it and not come across as a desperate loser. 

you will eat those words shortly.

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7 hours ago, Theseus said:

ou mean like for four years one half of the United States claimed 2016 was an illegitimate election. Or how a candidate plants their flag on the office before recounts and legal battles have had time to work their way through the process. By calling half the country deplorables, racists, white supremacists, uncle toms and other -isms. Now you want people to act like everything is happy happy joy joy because OMB and  TDS is rampant amongst the left?

I agree that expecting  DJT to act any differently than he has been is a gross exaggeration of my imagination, but I guess I'm a bit tired of his 4 years of antics and accommodations for the toddler in the room. As a parent I wouldn't tolerate my child running amuck and disrupting a gathering of adults. His style promotes disloyalty and opposition and a large dose of tolerance. Its very sad that he didn't have better role models growing up because he seems like he is fairly assute. and could have been a great president. 

 

I apologize if I have offended you with my words. I have been living in the verses of the serenity prayer for the last four years and realize that I am not going to run for office, nor do I have any ambitions to try and peddle my influence in any form of goverment. In that I would think we are much the same. In these tumultous times, I have found some peacein this prayer. 

 

 

The Serenity Prayer is a prayer written by the American theologian Reinhold Niebuhr (1892–1971). It is commonly quoted as: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, adhoc10 said:

As has been said before  during the voicing of opposing opinions, time will tell

My trusted sources are already releasing numbers for votes excluding fraud. Nothing by individual state yet (that i have seen), but nationally.

 

Trump = 73 million votes.

Biden = 25.9 million votes.

 

I am hearing that arrests will start this week but since the Dept of Justice needs to wait 10 days after the election we should see something this weekend possibly?

 

Many people were deceived for a long time and I expect some uncertain times. Please be prepared.

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