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Here Italian TV followed the election all last night ( European time) on 2 channels...

 

They say it will take ( maybe a lot of) time to determine who the real winner is....

 

Pres. Trump stated /  wrote  there's already clear evidence of fraud and he's ready to go to SCOTUS ( where it's a known fact that 6 judges  out of 9 lean on his side)...

 

 

The world will see in the next days....

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2 minutes ago, umbertino said:

 

Here Italian TV followed the election all last night ( European time) on 2 channels...

 

They say it will take ( maybe a lot of) time to determine who the real winner is....

 

Pres. Trump stated /  wrote  there's already clear evidence of fraud and he's ready to go to SCOTUS ( where it's a known fact that 6 judges  out of 9 lean on his side)...

 

 

The world will see in the next days....

Hello buddy.  This is like a movie where all the characters are shady and dishonest.   But in the end one man will be left standing

 

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6 hours ago, yota691 said:

I hear ya..Everything the high to do elected folks touch they screw up. This is scam being played on Every American that Voted yesterday, don't give darn who you voted for. Votes cast today till Friday are illegal. 

And now there are allegations of fraud due to what's occurring in Pennsylvania. May be the USA is going to get what it deserves now - no more mercy. 

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Reuters

Trump campaign sues to stop ballot count in Michigan

2020 U.S. presidential election in Michigan
2020 U.S. presidential election in Michigan
 
Wed, November 4, 2020, 2:04 PM EST
 
 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The campaign of President Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit in Michigan to stop the counting of ballots in the presidential election.

"We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted. We also demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we did not have meaningful access," the campaign said in a statement.

There is no clear presidential winner in the swing state, which has 16 electoral votes, according to Edison Research. Republican Trump's opponent, Democrat Joe Biden, has a razor-thin margin in Michigan, where 92% of the expected vote is in.

Trump's campaign is also demanding a recount in Wisconsin, another state where he is neck and neck with Biden.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-sues-stop-ballot-190443797.html

 

Pretty short sighted of Donald to sue to stop the count right now.....he's losing.  :blink:

 

GO RV, then BV

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Just now, Shabibilicious said:
Reuters

Trump campaign sues to stop ballot count in Michigan

2020 U.S. presidential election in Michigan
2020 U.S. presidential election in Michigan
 
Wed, November 4, 2020, 2:04 PM EST
 
 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The campaign of President Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit in Michigan to stop the counting of ballots in the presidential election.

"We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted. We also demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we did not have meaningful access," the campaign said in a statement.

There is no clear presidential winner in the swing state, which has 16 electoral votes, according to Edison Research. Republican Trump's opponent, Democrat Joe Biden, has a razor-thin margin in Michigan, where 92% of the expected vote is in.

Trump's campaign is also demanding a recount in Wisconsin, another state where he is neck and neck with Biden.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-sues-stop-ballot-190443797.html

 

Pretty short sighted of Donald to sue to stop the count right now.....he's losing.  :blink:

 

GO RV, then BV

 

Ahh.... There is no stopping the count... This isn't Venezuela... Just wait until they finish then demand a recount. Wisconsin is within 1 point so those will be recounted.

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Just my opinion....but if Biden manages to pull this victory out, I firmly believe we'll see a large amount of congressional Republicans immediately get their spines back, as they'll no longer have to suck it up and sit quietly by while Donald spits venom.  Like I said, just my opinion.

 

And if Trump pulls out the victory, it will be business as usual.....other than the covid pandemic he'll be forced to finally deal with.

 

GO RV, then BV

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Some Republicans break with Trump, say take time to count all the votes

 

WASHINGTON — Some Republicans are not falling in line behind President Donald Trump's attempts to falsely declare victory and seek to halt some vote-counting in the presidential race, with several GOP leaders expressing rare public rebukes of the president.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a Trump ally who usually avoids criticizing the president in public, told reporters Wednesday that "claiming you've won the election is different from finishing the counting."

With millions of votes still uncounted, Trump in a 2:35 a.m. Wednesday speech at the White House baselessly claimed he had defeated Democrat Joe Biden and alleged "major fraud on our nation" as election officials work through a massive surge in mail-in ballots, which they had long warned would take extra time to count. The president called for a halt in "all voting."

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"There's just no basis to make that argument tonight," former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on ABC News. "There just isn't. All these votes have to be counted that are in now."

Christie is a Trump ally who spent seven days in the intensive care unit after catching the coronavirus, potentially from the president, while helping him prepare for the first debate with Biden.

"You have to let the process play itself out before you judge it to be flawed. And by prematurely doing this, if there is a flaw later, he has undercut his own credibility," Christie continued. "So I think it's a bad strategic decision, it's a bad political decision, and it's not the kind of decision you would expect someone to make tonight who holds the position he holds."

Trump's campaign amplified their boss's erroneous claims in public statements and threats of lawsuits, which Biden's team dismissed as meritless, insisting even the conservative-leaning Supreme Court would not give them any consideration.

But the more surprising rebukes came from members of Trump's own party.

"Stop. Full stop. The votes will be counted and you will either win or lose," Illinois Rep. Adam Kinzinger replied to Trump on Twitter. "When the results are confirmed, we must accept the outcomes with respect for our democracy."

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, who spoke at a recent Trump campaign rally, said in a tweet that "taking days to count legally cast votes is NOT fraud."

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Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, a moderate Republican, called Trump's declaration "outrageous and uncalled for and a terrible mistake."

"Regardless of where you stand on this race and what party you are and who you voted for, most Americans really want a free and fair election process, and they want us to count the votes,” Hogan said at a Washington Post event.

Trump can typically count on the conservative media echo chamber and Republican allies to validate his claims of conspiracies out to get him, no matter how thinly sourced.

But his attacks on the integrity of the election appear to be a bridge too far for some Republicans, including some who won re-election themselves in Tuesday's vote, such as McConnell.

In a statement, Republican Sen. Mike Lee, who represents Utah — a staunchly conservative state that automatically sends every registered voter a mail-ballot — urged calm.

"It's best for everyone to step back from the spin and allow the vote counters to do their job," Lee said.

Utah's Republican Gov.-elect Spencer Cox called the Trump campaign's claims "garbage" and said "there is nothing nefarious about it taking a few days to count all legitimate votes.

"Under our Constitution, state legislatures set the rules and states administer our elections. We should respect that process and ensure that all ballots cast in accordance with state laws are counted. It's that simple," Republican Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, a Trump critic, said in a statement.

Scott Walker, the former GOP governor of Wisconsin and a sharp partisan tactician, threw cold water on the Trump campaign's pledge to request a recount in the battleground state, where Biden is the apparent winner and leads Trump by about 20,000 votes, according to NBC News.

Walker said there was a swing of only 300 votes in a 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court recount and a change of just 131 in a recount of the 2016 presidential race. "As I said, 20,000 is a high hurdle," Walker said on Twitter.

Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton, a longtime GOP foreign policy hand who has become a Trump critic since leaving the White House, said on Sky News that the president's claims were "some of the most irresponsible comments that a president of the United States has ever made.”

And former GOP Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum said he was "very distressed by what I just heard the president say."

"The idea of using the word 'fraud' being committed by people counting votes is wrong," Santorum said on CNN. "They're counting the absentee and mail-in ballots right now. And some counties have stopped counting. Why have they stopped counting? Because it's 2:48 in the morning!"

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Republican Gov. Doug Doucey of Arizona, where Biden leads in a too-close-to-call race, according to NBC News, urged patience.

"Arizonans turned out in historic numbers for this election, and we owe it to them to count their votes," Doucey said in a statement.

And former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said counting votes, no matter how long it takes, is fundamental in a democracy.

"If the president loses on that front, then he loses," Huckabee said on "Fox & Friends" Wednesday morning. "We win by ballots, not by bullets ... and we've got to keep reminding ourselves of that."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-break-trump-time-count-195039516.html

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I’ve never heard President Trump say do not count the votes.  He said we just need to make sure the votes are proper.  Johnny I have a very good friend who works in the National Trump Campaign.  What he has told me is very very disturbing.  This Race is not over until all the votes are counted including 600k in Arizona and many in Wisconsin and Nevada that were mysteriously not counted.

 

 In Philadelphia they are finding dead people have voted and over 100% of some precincts population have been counted. ( voting more than once)  The discrepancies are so blatant and so wrong that a lawsuit has been filed this afternoon with the Supreme Court.  It appears the Pennsylvania Election Commission broke the law in blocking a Republican watcher at the counting facility.  This doesn’t surprise me.  Let’s see what happens but I have a feeling Dems aren’t going to like the end results.  Hating President Trump doesn’t give overzealous people the right to break the law.  

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3 hours ago, Sage449 said:

And now there are allegations of fraud due to what's occurring in Pennsylvania. May be the USA is going to get what it deserves now - no more mercy. 

No, too many Christians have repented and stood in the gap.  This will cause voter fraud to be exposed.  What the devil meant for harm, God will turn to good.

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14 minutes ago, Sage449 said:

Shedagal, I hope so, reading The Harbinger reminds me since 9/11 the US has had plenty of time to repent. And I don't see enough evidence yet to cause me to think its happened. And I do agree with your statement. 

The Great Awakening has begun.  Johnathan Cahn (author of The Harbinger) has been declaring that.  He was on The Victory Channel talking about it last night.

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Just tell me please how 270 Electoral votes are needed and a senile old man has (so far) 264 votes. 

 

This man, who is incapable to putting 2 sentences together, has to negotiate with China, Russia and Iran.

Is this the guy we want to hold these negotiations?

 

Do we really want a socialist/communist country?

 

It's sooooooo obvious that the Democrats have committed enormous fraud in this election.

So what do we do if the a--hole really becomes President?  Move to another country?

If he wins, America goes right down the drain.

 

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13 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

This is ridiculous, it's time for martial law, or flat out civil war. 

YEAH!!!!! I said it. Time to do something about the evil that is among us.

                          :butt-kicking:Forget it liberals don't even reply to me,   :butt-kicking:

                                                                            I am no longer talking with the likes of you all

 

 

                                                              :flagsmiley::cowboy2::cowboy::cowboy1::bs: :flagsmiley:

 

 

Well, I'm not a "liberal" or any other political label, but you can accuse me of whatever you like, but I am going to reply to you and I am NOT attacking you...I want you to take the time to read every word...before you react.

 

After all the accusations you made towards anyone who did not agree with your politics or your religion, accusing them time and again of being "filled with hate"...yet here you are...showing what real hatred looks like.

 

Perhaps you should spend more time on your "Acts of Love" thread that is much more constructive than to allow politics to transform you into the kind of person we already have enough of.

 

If you desire to be angry, then be angry at all the people, self proclaimed prophets and others that lied to you, and told you what you wanted to hear, invoking god into politics and manipulating peoples emotions, making some believe they were somehow "special".

 

You want "civil war"...good, start with yourself, in the mirror before you target other people to vent upon. Our tired world knows enough angry hateful humans, overly influenced via politics and their religion, don't be one of them. You're better than that Scott.

 

No matter who wins this election, political circus will continue, and too many will continue to allow it to control them and how they treat others.

 

You said yourself in a thread...we were all fooled with Trump and that he was not a "law and order" president as he claimed...and that we should stop the bickering and stop fighting each other.

 

Do YOU listen or pay attention to your own words??? Several turned on you in that thread...I'm surprised someone didn't accuse you of becoming an "evil demonic leftist liberal commie lover" as you so often love to throw around at others.

 

Deal with your own hatred and desire for constant conflict...it has to begin with you. Take a deep breath, and realize, we will survive, but we cannot allow politics and other mind rape turn us into idiots. It is never too late to make the effort to find the good in this world and in others rather than living daily trying to find the evil.

 

Take care of yourself Scott...it has been a very rough year for you, and I imagine very traumatizing. I wish you the very best...always.

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10 hours ago, Jim1cor13 said:

Well, I'm not a "liberal" or any other political label, but you can accuse me of whatever you like, but I am going to reply to you and I am NOT attacking you...I want you to take the time to read every word...before you react

Thank you for your well thought out and understanding post.  Your assessment of me is spot on, with a minor correction. In truth I don't hate anyone, it's evil that burns my heart.  And to add to it I'm finding myself more and more ,with each passing day confused as to what evil is.  Or reality for that matter. This is why I've been all over the place when it comes to Trump. To me something isn't right but for the life of me I can't see it.  But I know a liar when I see one and the leaders of the Democratic party are the worst. There's just no way in hell I'll ever align myself with them. And, as you rightly stated, loosing my baby not only has thrown me in tailspin but made me acutely aware of my other two girls. What kind of future are we going to leave them? 

Thus my passion about politics.  Nevertheless, today I'm finding myself in a emotional  quagmire. One that has me questioning everything, including my relationship with God if that is possible.  

In this state I can no longer discuss political issues. I must revert back to my God and find my way back to peace. I must find balance. Today was the first time in over 30 years that I failed my DOT physics. My blood pressure was to high. I've gained 21 pounds making my weight 341. It's just too easy to forget what is truly important in life and let yourself go. I've even felt lately as if I was dying and didn't care. But my girls need me, so I must find the Marine in me that would NEVER have given up.  If  I'm to be in this world for my girls, then I must first be here for myself. 

As  much as I love DV and all the posters here, I'm going to have to read more than I post. 

 

Jim, you're a good man and I truly am glad that God used you to help me focus. :tiphat:

And please believe me, I am NOT for civil war. I know full well what that will bring America to. But I AM terrified that is where we're all going. 

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There is 'something odd about postal votes which magically materialised' for Biden
40,950 views•Nov 5, 2020

 


Just Doit
34 minutes ago (edited)
Between 3:30-4:30AM, they “ found” 140,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Wisconsin.
Between 3:30-5:00AM, they “ found” 200,000 mail in ballots for Biden in Michigan.
Between 2:00-4:00AM, they “ found” 1,000,000 mail in ballots in Pennsylvania.
All for Biden. None for Trump.

 

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Seeing Trump and his supporters not trusting our democracy plays right into the hands of the dictators.. Our president should wait until the end and then release his lawyers. His saying our election is fixed is giving dictators around the world fodder for them to tell their people they are right and we are wrong... The Ayatollah is saying our president doesn't trust the system. I'm sure Putin, China and North Korea are loving how the president and his supporters are tearing down the system. So if you must, go on and tell the world you don't trust democracy, some of them are very happy to hear your cries. JMHO

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15 hours ago, Pitcher said:

I’ve never heard President Trump say do not count the votes.

 

Donald Trump Files With SCOTUS To Stop PA Vote Count; Joe Biden Wins Wisconsin & Moves Towards Electoral College Magic Number — Update

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11TH UPDATE, 12:51 PM: The election of 2020 is starting to look a lot like the election of 2000.

Keeping the promise that the incumbent made in his speech early this morning, Donald Trump’s campaign has just filed with the Supreme Court to put the brakes on the ongoing vote count in Pennsylvania.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-vs-joe-biden-000251785.html

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7 minutes ago, Johnny Dinar said:

Our president should wait until the end and then release his lawyers.

There is a process when opening mail-in ballots.  Once the ballot is opened and separated from the envelope there is no way to verify its authenticity. Once the ballot is added to the pile it is counted no matter what.

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