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[Shabibilicious]

16 hours ago, caddieman said:

Now Shabs I will say this as a born and raised southerner the Confederate flags means different things to different people. To me, and this is just what I thought growing up, the Confederate Flag symbolizes the south. What do I mean by that? Opening the door for women. Fried chicken Collard greens and mashed potatoes with cornbread and sweet tea.(trust me sweet tea above the mason Dixon line is not sweet tea) Fireflies. The Sweet smell of the honeysuckle  vine. Making homemade peach ice cream on the front porch of your grandparents house. 
 

But not all have those feelings. To many it means racism and repression. I hate that many feel this way. And because of that I don’t think it should be displayed in public. I applaud what NASCAR has done. But it makes me sad too. To know if I was seen with a confederate flag I would be labeled a racist. Shabs it’s just like on this site, if you are against Trump you are a liberal communist and you hate America. You support system" rel="">support everyone who is burning down buildings and shooting people. How completely asinine Is that. But it’s the reality we live in now. That makes me sad too.

 

You know, I had buddies in the Army who hailed from southern states....Good Ole Boys, every one of them....great friends of mine and loyal to a fault.  Many, not all, drove 4x4's with confederate flag stickers in the windows.  As a white northerner, I never gave it a thought....didn't mean a thing to me.  Then, in the late 80's, my unit deployed for a few months to do survey control work along the levee system of the Mississippi River.  We stayed in a dive motel in a quaint little town in Arkansas for about a month of that deployment.  That's the first time I ever experienced racism and the separation of people because of their skin color.  My squad leader wasn't allowed to eat in this crappy diner right in front of the hotel because he was black....The town had an 8 foot high chain link fence separating white town from black town.  It was the craziest thing I had ever seen.  My squad leader grew up in Mississippi so he already knew the deal before we got there and my southern white buddies thought nothing of it....business as usual.  I'm not diminishing the southern charm that clearly exists, just stating what I saw and witnessed.  That kind of behavior had no business happening 120 plus years after the civil war. 

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

[caddieman]

53 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

You know, I had buddies in the Army who hailed from southern states....Good Ole Boys, every one of them....great friends of mine and loyal to a fault.  Many, not all, drove 4x4's with confederate flag stickers in the windows.  As a white northerner, I never gave it a thought....didn't mean a thing to me.  Then, in the late 80's, my unit deployed for a few months to do survey control work along the levee system of the Mississippi River.  We stayed in a dive motel in a quaint little town in Arkansas for about a month of that deployment.  That's the first time I ever experienced racism and the separation of people because of their skin color.  My squad leader wasn't allowed to eat in this crappy diner right in front of the hotel because he was black....The town had an 8 foot high chain link fence separating white town from black town.  It was the craziest thing I had ever seen.  My squad leader grew up in Mississippi so he already knew the deal before we got there and my southern white buddies thought nothing of it....business as usual.  I'm not diminishing the southern charm that clearly exists, just stating what I saw and witnessed.  That kind of behavior had no business happening 120 plus years after the civil war. 

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

Oh I agree 100%. I’m not proud of everything southern. And that by far is the biggest. Even as a southerner I never understood that. I had very progressive parents growing up(thank God for that) About once a month my Mother would go to a black church on Sunday. As a 6 year old kid I wondered about that. All I remember her saying is it was the right thing to do.  Trust me in the 60s that never happened. I guess she thought that’s all a 6 year old could handle. Well about a year later she informed me we were no longer going to the Southern Baptist Church. We were now Episcopalians. All she told me later is that many Baptist were not very tolerant of her going to a black church. I can only imagine the conversations she had with church goers. My mom was a pistol. The enforcer. She make you go and get your own switch. If you came back with a small one she would go get the whole damn tree! I hate weeping willows to this day!🥰🥰

[Artitech]

On 7/7/2020 at 8:16 AM, Pitcher said:

Facts do tend to get in the way of a good false narrative.  

yes, remember creepy joe! says he holds his truths above facts! 🤠JMHO

[MyLadiesDaddy]

4 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

With respect to the American Civil War and southern states, "God given States Rights of the Constitution" is a dog whistle for the southern enslavement of Africans.....all the rest pales in comparison to that atrocity. 

 

GO RV, then BV

I bet you think that slavery has ended in America too.  You claim that my comments are a Dog Whistle while ignoring the facts that I brought proving otherwise. All the while you refuse to bring 

anything to legitimate your position. And before you go to the LAME STREAM MEDIA for your fake 

evidence, you should note that my evidence came from The Library of Congress. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

You know, I had buddies in the Army who hailed from southern states....Good Ole Boys, every one of them....great friends of mine and loyal to a fault.  Many, not all, drove 4x4's with confederate flag stickers in the windows.  As a white northerner, I never gave it a thought....didn't mean a thing to me.  Then, in the late 80's, my unit deployed for a few months to do survey control work along the levee system of the Mississippi River.  We stayed in a dive motel in a quaint little town in Arkansas for about a month of that deployment.  That's the first time I ever experienced racism and the separation of people because of their skin color.  My squad leader wasn't allowed to eat in this crappy diner right in front of the hotel because he was black....The town had an 8 foot high chain link fence separating white town from black town.  It was the craziest thing I had ever seen.  My squad leader grew up in Mississippi so he already knew the deal before we got there and my southern white buddies thought nothing of it....business as usual.  I'm not diminishing the southern charm that clearly exists, just stating what I saw and witnessed.  That kind of behavior had no business happening 120 plus years after the civil war. 

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

Once again you fail to understand the dichotomy that I showed clearly in a previous post. So I ask you 

Who has the power to build an 8 ft. high fence spiting the town in half? That's right, those sons and daughters of those former Plantation owners who ended up becoming the city councilmen and women and the Mayors. That is not to say that there isn't racism in America, but that it's not nearly as rampant as you want everyone to think. 

As for the Union Jack, that's just a piece of cloth. The meaning it holds is only in the person holding 

it. For me that meaning is States Rights. And for you That meaning is Slavery. 

I think of States Rights because I love America and the Constitution and while I know that America 

has some stains on her dress, I'm not willing to divorce her for being human and making mistakes.

You on the other hand seem incapable of forgiveness and thus you see the Union Jack as a symbol 

of Slavery. All the while refusing to see that you and the rest of us are still slaves to the Admiralty Law 

enacted by the Democratic Socialist Party. 

President Trump has ended Admiralty Law and is in the processes of putting America back under 

THE CONSTITUTION 

 

 

3 hours ago, caddieman said:

Oh I agree 100%. I’m not proud of everything southern. And that by far is the biggest. Even as a southerner I never understood that. I had very progressive parents growing up(thank God for that) About once a month my Mother would go to a black church on Sunday. As a 6 year old kid I wondered about that. All I remember her saying is it was the right thing to do.  Trust me in the 60s that never happened. I guess she thought that’s all a 6 year old could handle. Well about a year later she informed me we were no longer going to the Southern Baptist Church. We were now Episcopalians. All she told me later is that many Baptist were not very tolerant of her going to a black church. I can only imagine the conversations she had with church goers. My mom was a pistol. The enforcer. She make you go and get your own switch. If you came back with a small one she would go get the whole damn tree! I hate weeping willows to this day!🥰🥰

That is why as a Southern Baptist I ended up becoming Catholic.  But seriously,

People of power, like those sons and daughters of the former Plantation owners, have 

always used religion as a means to control the masses. But like most Southerners your moms 

didn't give a hoot about the hypocrisy of the political and social leaders. Also I suspect she 

deeply enjoyed the strong feeling of the Holy Spirit only found in the Black congregations of the Deep South. You grew up there, and from the sound of things you didn't grow up in a wealthy family. 

So tell us how many friends that you had were openly racist? I suspect very few. True Racism,

like today, is a tool of the wealthy used to divide the rest of us. Sadly it is an effective tool. 

[Shabibilicious]

12 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

 

As for the Union Jack, that's just a piece of cloth. The meaning it holds is only in the person holding 

it. For me that meaning is States Rights. And for you That meaning is Slavery. 

I think of States Rights because I love America and the Constitution and while I know that America 

has some stains on her dress, I'm not willing to divorce her for being human and making mistakes.

You on the other hand seem incapable of forgiveness and thus you see the Union Jack as a symbol 

of Slavery.

 

 

I love America and the Constitution as well, as I signed up and volunteered to defend it, just like you......"that ALL men are created equal" is one of my favorite parts.  And since I'm white, it's not my place to forgive American slave owners of the 19th century.....there's no equating poor southern white folk of that century with their enslaved black brethren either. 

 

GO RV, then BV 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Shabibilicious

[Theseus]

22 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

 

 

To reference both of your post. 

 

As I've show my knowledge of the historical events that led to the great experiment know as America are vast, I know that 

Slavery was an issue with people of good report long before the founding of this nation. In fact most don't know that men 

like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were themselves abolitionist. But the power of the Southern Plantation owners 

at the time of the writing of our Constitution were far to powerful to stop slavery. However, they instilled into the Constitution 

the words that would someday follow in the footsteps of William Wilberforce of Yorkshire who's lifelong work against 

slavery finally led to the end of slavery in England in 1807. These founding fathers of America owned slaves simply 

because there was no way to let them go free that would ensure their safety. Furthermore, doing so at that time would be illegal. 

 But in the very Constitution and Declaration of Independence they penned these words,

"We hold these truths, that all men are created equal...." They knew that 

in doing this they laid the foundation that would eventually end slavery in America. 

Nevertheless, like Wilberforce that battle would be long and arduous. 

Yes you are correct in that slavery was an issue, but you are quite mistaken in that it was a major issue. 

You are correct that slavery was an issue at the founding of America but that does not insinuate that it was the issue that 

cause the Southern Democrats to walk out of Congress and declare Southern Independence. The straw that broke the proverbial 

camels back was States Rights. The civil war only provided President Lincoln with the opportunity to end slavery as the Southern 

Democrats were no longer able to block such an action in Congress. 
The current day Democrats are the perpetrators of the lie that Slavery was the main issue and they only do so because in 

doing so they are able to divide and conquer us. 

Their mission, However, will fail. People are waking up to the evil known as the main Stream Media and are now looking 

to their founders for the truth that is out there. And the truth will not only set you free, but it will unite all good men. 

First off, no where in the United States Constitution does the word "God" appear, this also includes the Bill of Rights. The Constitution was designed as a playbook for how the government should be run. The Preamble to the Constitution even states that it is "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

 

Now as to the phrase "..the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."  we look at the Declaration of Independence and in the second paragraph we come to these blessings  "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." Those are the Blessings of Liberty granted by God as stated in the Declaration of Independence.

 

The Constitution then protects those unalienable rights given to men, women and children but not to the states. Why? The Declaration answers this in the next sentence: That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed."

 

(NOTE: For brevity sake, when discussing this issue and the word "Men" appears this is to mean all humans unless otherwise denoted. The word "Men" will denote all peoples and the word "men" will denote only those peoples of the male persuasion as this is historical context, not today's context.)

 

State rights are NOT given by God, they are given by Men and it is up to Men to give powers to those governing. This is the basis of a Republic. Governance through representation. The power derived from the people and by the people. The Declaration also goes on to state "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter it or abolish it..."

 

So you can see that neither the US Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence states God gives rights to the State whether that be a Nation state or a state oi a Nation. Only the Declaration of Independence identifies the rights given by God which are called the Unalienable rights (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness). This not to say that a State does not have rights as they do. However, these rights are derived from Men and not from God. Although it is Men who may seek their God's advice on a particular matter. Also notice the words "...their Creator..." this is an important distinction at the time it was written because it does not say God even though the ideologies taken from are the Judeo-Christian with a combination of Roman and Greek ideologies. It is unfair to say that any other culture was left out because at the time only those were known to the founders. Since this was a nation founded from religious persecution the words "...their Creator..." encompasses all people's beliefs of who created them, including Atheists. I digress. 

 

In my posting, I wrote about a book called "Uncle Tom's Cabin". An acrophylal statement (a quote only revealed and attributed to that person after they have died)  has been attributed to Lincoln about the female author. That statement is from President Lincoln when he greeted Harriet Beecher Stowe in 1862  as "the little woman who wrote the book that made this great war".

 

Now you said that slavery was not the issue and I said it was. I am not going to assume that you think that I said it was a moral issue about slavery as to why it was fought. In fact the Civil War issue of slavery was not based on morals but rather of an economic nature and I have always maintained that. Everything in this God-given world boils down to the issue of money as it states in the Bible, it is the root of Evil. (The word all does not appear in that statement. IF you disagree go look it up). 

 

As to States' rights, most do not know President Lincoln was elected without a single Southern Electoral vote (See why Electoral College is so important?). I actually addressed one aspect of States' rights through the Nebraska-Kansas Act of 1854 and the battle that ensued. Without going further into detail, I should have addressed it more. The Nebraska-Kansas Act of 1854 was to address the Western Expansion of the United States. Those proponents of Slavery wished to take slavery West. The Federal Government, through the Act of 1854, left it up to the people of the territory when the territory became a state. The Battle that ensued along the Missouri border was about those who wanted slaves in Kansas and those who did not. People were killed on each side and is debated as the "unofficial" start of the Civil War a few years later. 

 

Mind you at the time President Lincoln was elected the Whig party was dissolving and that is why President Lincoln is considered the first Republican President.  Members of the Republican Party were adamantly opposed to taking slavery into the westward expansion. This is not to assume they were against slavery, those members were against the expansion of it westward. 

 

States' rights also has to deal with the South wanting to assert authority of the Federal Government to abolish federal laws they did not support. When Lincoln was elected they lost all hope as Lincoln's election was a clear signal the South had lost all influence. Thus one by one they seceded from the United States. 

 

Now I stated that you probably thought that I believed that the major tenet of the Civil War was about the moral issue of slavery. I merely stated it was about slavery. Every issue, economics and States' rights, deals with slavery in some form or fashion. Now I want to address the Emancipation Proclamation by President Abraham Lincoln. This speech was not written without some great deal of thought. President Lincoln while against slavery as an Abolitionist and a true Republican (not the repubes we have in office today) did not take this task lightly. It is documented that he came to the decision to free the slaves only during the Civil War. He saw the blood being spilt to keep the United States together and that was one of his major focuses. However, he could not justify himself with God that the blood spilt in the name of our Forefathers when they wrote that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal...". And it was Madison that explained years after Constitutional Convention that this clause in the Declaration of Independence would eventually lead to freedom of the slaves and its ending of slavery. This is why the words "slave" and "n-gro" do not appear anywhere in the Declaration nor the Constitution. So the freeing of the slaves was a decision by Lincoln during the war about issues dealing with slavery.

 

Slavery was a major issue at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 as Madison stated there was more to the slavery issue than was recorded and it remained a pervasive and persistent issue leading up to the Civil War in 1861. The issue was at the forefront of the expansion west and it was the issue of the South wanting to assert itself over the federal government and it was an economical issue of the day. The New York Times founder was an Abolitionist and father to the Republican party but was removed from the NYT when he took a hard stance against Southern states during the time of Reconstruction. At the time President Lincoln is said to have stated that the Southern states had never left the Union. The Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery in its many forms and Lincoln came to the conclusion that it was unjust for the Declaration to state all men were created equal and spill the blood of many fine Americans without freeing them in the end. 

 

As to the Railroad and Lincoln's support for it. It has to deal with the Civil War. The railroad was determined to be one of the instrumental players in the win for the North.  

Edited July 9, 2020 by Theseus

[Theseus]

LGD the problem with States' Rights leading up to the Civil War was the Southern states wanted to use States' rights to abolish all laws pertaining to slavery they did not support. The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the Federal government to do so. While not in all cases is States' rights is wrong when the Federal Government is wrong. Had the South able to successfully assert States' Rights, this would have delayed the Civil War until the next time the Republicans gained power in the WH and Congress. There would be no telling how long that delay could have been had Lincoln not been elected. The war and the general election of 1860 was about slavery. Had Lincoln not been elected it could also be said that slavery would have expanded further west and a more favorable position given to foreign-bound slave traders at the time. Lincoln having been elected saw that through the war freeing the slaves was inevitable. He would not be able to get around it. Yes, there was never a form of cultural appropriation more apparent than when the Confederate Battle flag was appropriated by the Klu Klux Klan - Southern Demoncrats. Demoncrats have been trying to rewrite history to put the blame of slavery onto the Republican party but it is the demoncrats that own this lock stock and barrel. This could also be said when nearly 80 years later a leader appropriated the Swastika. Symbols change and are appropriated by evil men and organizations. The United States appropriated Great Britain's Union Jack when it came up with the original American flag. Something not too many know about the true story of how the flag was designed. A flag has never been about a piece of fabric, it has always been more than that. Through time the American flag has been changed but what hasn't changed is the emotion it stirs when people see it. The emotion of Liberty, Justice and the pursuit of Happiness; to feel a common bond with someone you never knew. A rally point on a field of battle, something to be inspired from when the fear sets in as whistle of bullets and projectiles fly through the air, a flag warms the heart and remembers the tears that have cried for those who have given the ultimate sacrifice. The American flag is a symbol of patriotism but it is the patriotism one feels in their heart to muster the courage and bravery to want to be something more than you are. TO be the best of the best. TO separate us from the rest of the world because we are exceptional in all of history in our Freedoms, our Liberties and our Justice. The American flag is something for the world to look up to and want to aspire to. Those who hate America and want to transform it will be met by the big red guy, not Santa Claus, the guy with the pitched fork and pointy tail.   

[MyLadiesDaddy]

17 hours ago, Theseus said:

First off, no where in the United States Constitution does the word "God" appear

An intelligent man knows better than to, "Dance with the Devil in the Pale Moonlight" Cheerio 

[Theseus]

5 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

An intelligent man knows better than to, "Dance with the Devil in the Pale Moonlight" Cheerio 

Please do show me where this word appears in either document. And "...their Creator..."  is not in the Constitution only the Declaration of Independence.

 

Because 

 

 

 

On a side note: I am surprised you missed the significance of the Lunar Eclipse on July 4th called a Buck Moon. A Lunar eclipse hasn't happened on July 4th in about 100 years and has Biblical prophecy associated with it. 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

1 hour ago, Theseus said:

Please do show me where this word appears in either document. And "...their Creator..."  is not in the Constitution only the Declaration of Independence.

 

Because 

 

 

 

On a side note: I am surprised you missed the significance of the Lunar Eclipse on July 4th called a Buck Moon. A Lunar eclipse hasn't happened on July 4th in about 100 years and has Biblical prophecy associated with it. 

I did notice it. Started a whole thread about the future of money and America. But I think only a couple of people even read it. Guess everyone is too skeered about the flu bug. When your bank accounts are empty and your credit cards are illegal and unlawful to use and you only have the cash in your wallet. Maybe then you'll begin to understand the signs in the sky and realize that the flu virus and some DEMONIC possessed liberals who are so simple minded as to astound satan himself were the least of your problems. 

Slavery has ZERO bearing in America today. 

[Theseus]

35 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

I did notice it. Started a whole thread about the future of money and America. But I think only a couple of people even read it. Guess everyone is too skeered about the flu bug. When your bank accounts are empty and your credit cards are illegal and unlawful to use and you only have the cash in your wallet. Maybe then you'll begin to understand the signs in the sky and realize that the flu virus and some DEMONIC possessed liberals who are so simple minded as to astound satan himself were the least of your problems. 

Slavery has ZERO bearing in America today. 

Our past has a bearing on where we are today. To say it has zero bearing is false. That is like trying to steer a ship towards France with no bearings. Navigation by sun or stars is taking a bearing. I would never say Slavery has no bearing on America today because it has shaped us and made us all better for the end of it. (I did not say slavery was good)

[whatsfordinar?]

If you said nothing about these, but now the Confederate flag offends you, you're obviously parroting the MSM agenda...

 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

This is why they hate President Trump, and me, because we're 

WHITE BOYS 

and proud of it. 

 

Watch "Tom MacDonald - "WHITEBOY"" on YouTube

 

[Theseus]

On 7/9/2020 at 9:09 PM, whatsfordinar? said:

If you said nothing about these, but now the Confederate flag offends you, you're obviously parroting the MSM agenda...

 

The only one of these that can possibly even claim the Confederate Battle flag is a demonrat from Arkansas. Only one of the above falls into that category. All others are doing what the kkkommie leftists claim others of doing "cultural appropriation". No, Hitlary is not from Arkansas she grew up in Chicago.

 

Can we start a Hypocrisy News Channel?

Edited July 13, 2020 by Theseus

[yota691]

5 hours ago, Theseus said:

Can we start a Hypocrisy News Channel?

The Never Trumpers got that covered the last 4 years..

[yota691]

[yota691]

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