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OUTRAGEOUS! Hidden from the American Public -- 74-78% of COVID-19 Patients have At Least One Underlying Health Problem!

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/outrageous-hidden-from-the-american-public-74-78-of-covid-19-patients-have-at-least-one-underlying-health-problem/

 

I also read that NYC has claimed 450 deaths sine this started from Covid-19......They didn't want you to know 419 on the Average Dies Everyday in NYC.

 

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It may be fake news but on the flip side if it keeping people inside and stopping the spread I guess it could be a good thing.

Let's face it, people have shown their inability to act responsibly and not put other people at risk unless they have the s*** scared out of them.  I'm not for government bullcrap and fake news but sometimes so called adults need to be treated like little kids.

 

People started whining about being home for 1 week like a bunch of little kids.  These are people who have never really suffered, served  the in the military or had real adversity in their life.  That's about the majority of the US population.  They have had inconveniences in their life but that is about it.

 

It's not the crisis that defines the man. It's how the man handles the crisis that defines him.  Look around and you will see what I mean.

 

Off my soapbox now.

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Someone from California called in to Rush this afternoon....5th largest economy in the world, 40,000,000 people and they are completely shut down.

 

They have had 250 Covid-19 deaths total or 3 deaths per 1 million People.

 

On a daily average they have 750 deaths from various reasons....old age, vehicle accidents, overdose, murder, suicide and what not.

 

California....closed for business.

 

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2 minutes ago, Karsten said:

Someone from California called in to Rush this afternoon....5th largest economy in the world, 40,000,000 people and they are completely shut down.

 

They have had 250 Covid-19 deaths total or 3 deaths per 1 million People.

 

On a daily average they have 750 deaths from various reasons....old age, vehicle accidents, overdose, murder, suicide and what not.

 

California....closed for business.

 

Karsten

Yes, I was listening to that..I pray deeply that there will be hell to pay for this. 

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William "Bill" Kelly, a 95-year-old veteran of WWII who also lived through the Great Depression has added another accomplishment to his name after contracting the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, and beating it.

"I am doing well," said Kelly. "I definitely feel very good this morning."

Kelly's family was there to support him through his recovery, including his granddaughter, Rose Etherington, and her husband, Isaac Etherington, with whom he lives in Yamhill County, Oregon. They joined ABC News' "Pandemic: What You Need to Know" to share their story, and remind people that there "are a lot of people surviving and getting through" the COVID-19 pandemic, Isaac Etherington said.

 

IsaacBillRose_hpEmbed_16x7_992.jpg(Isaac Etherington, Bill Kelly and his granddaughter Rose Etherington talk to ABC News about how the 95-year-old veteran overcame coronavirus.ABC News)

Kelly said he took steps to care for himself once he started feeling the illness coming.

"It's just something that you deal with as you get it. The big thing with me is that if I feel that I'm coming down with something, take good care and get help, find out what to do and do what you're supposed to do, get plenty of rest — that sort of thing," he said. "You generally get through it OK. I was very fortunate that I did. I got through."

Kelly said he had "two or three pretty tough nights and evenings where I had problems with my lower [body], my legs and my back — difficulty getting rest — because it was very uncomfortable trying to sleep. Other than that, though, you work your way through it. Do as you're told. And I got some good help here."

BillKellyPaxChase_hpEmbed_1x1_992.jpg(William Kelly, 95, with his two great grandchildren in an undated photo.Rose Etherington)

He said his family was there to help him.

"They stayed right on me," he said. "So we worked it all through. So we're very happy and happy to be here."

Kelly, who has kidney disease, a congenital heart condition and high blood pressure, first started feeling symptoms of the infection on March 15, the family told ABC News.

"When Grandpa Bill doesn’t feel well, he doesn’t say anything and we have to dig it out of him," Isaac Etherington said. "He said he wasn’t feeling well and he had a fever of 100.7 [degrees]. We called his doctor. He was coughing a little and his legs and body hurt."

 

 

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5 hours ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

 

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William "Bill" Kelly, a 95-year-old veteran of WWII who also lived through the Great Depression has added another accomplishment to his name after contracting the novel coronavirus, COVID-19, and beating it.

"I am doing well," said Kelly. "I definitely feel very good this morning."

Kelly's family was there to support system" rel="">support him through his recovery, including his granddaughter, Rose Etherington, and her husband, Isaac Etherington, with whom he lives in Yamhill County, Oregon. They joined ABC News' "Pandemic: What You Need to Know" to share their story, and remind people that there "are a lot of people surviving and getting through" the COVID-19 pandemic, Isaac Etherington said.

 

IsaacBillRose_hpEmbed_16x7_992.jpg(Isaac Etherington, Bill Kelly and his granddaughter Rose Etherington talk to ABC News about how the 95-year-old veteran overcame coronavirus.ABC News)

Kelly said he took steps to care for himself once he started feeling the illness coming.

"It's just something that you deal with as you get it. The big thing with me is that if I feel that I'm coming down with something, take good care and get help, find out what to do and do what you're supposed to do, get plenty of rest — that sort of thing," he said. "You generally get through it OK. I was very fortunate that I did. I got through."

Kelly said he had "two or three pretty tough nights and evenings where I had problems with my lower [body], my legs and my back — difficulty getting rest — because it was very uncomfortable trying to sleep. Other than that, though, you work your way through it. Do as you're told. And I got some good help here."

BillKellyPaxChase_hpEmbed_1x1_992.jpg(William Kelly, 95, with his two great grandchildren in an undated photo.Rose Etherington)

He said his family was there to help him.

"They stayed right on me," he said. "So we worked it all through. So we're very happy and happy to be here."

Kelly, who has kidney disease, a congenital heart condition and high blood pressure, first started feeling symptoms of the infection on March 15, the family told ABC News.

"When Grandpa Bill doesn’t feel well, he doesn’t say anything and we have to dig it out of him," Isaac Etherington said. "He said he wasn’t feeling well and he had a fever of 100.7 [degrees]. We called his doctor. He was coughing a little and his legs and body hurt."

 

 


Unbelievable for him. God’s grace. How many his age don’t make it? Stay safe all!

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6 hours ago, caddieman said:


Unbelievable for him. God’s grace. How many his age don’t make it? Stay safe all!

 

 

I'm happy for this gentleman......

 

I wish for everybody here on DV and their Families to have great health and be safe all the time...

 

We will defeat this bastard virus.....

 

 

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9 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Go ahead B/A ruby this one. :o

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One place has food and items of necessity.  The other place is place one can go to pray, hear the good word and show faith.   That you can do from home.  

Granted,  I'm sure people are at Walmart for non essential items but you are not able to police them after they walk in there. 

 

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This is an article from Jan 31 2020 from the LA Times.  Only 2 months ago.  

 

 

For Americans, flu remains a bigger threat than coronavirus

While a new virus that originated in China has prompted Americans to wear masks on the subway and cancel international trips for fear of falling ill, a much deadlier killer already stalking the United States has been largely overshadowed: the flu.

Like the new coronavirus, influenza can spread from person to person through the air and cause a fever and cough. But unlike the coronavirus, which so far hasn’t led to any deaths in the U.S., influenza has killed approximately 10,000 Americans since October, according to federal data released Friday.

“Here in the U.S., this is what is killing us,” said UC Riverside epidemiologist Brandon Brown. “Why should we be afraid of something that has not killed people here in this country?”

To be sure, the coronavirus, known as 2019-nCoV, has alarmed public health officials as they try to avert a worldwide health crisis.

China has quarantined more than 50 million people to contain the outbreak. This week, the World Health Organization deemed the coronavirus a “global health emergency,” and U.S. officials advised Americans not to travel to China, prompting airlines to cancel flights.

And on Friday, health officials ordered a two-week quarantine for 195 Americans who were flown from Wuhan, China, to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside.

But so far, just six people in the United States have been diagnosed with the coronavirus, all cases that were associated with travel to China.

By contrast, in California alone, 211 people have died of influenza, including seven children, since the season began in October, according to state data released Friday. That figure, gathered from death certificates, is widely considered to underestimate since the flu can prompt fatal conditions like heart failure or pneumonia, which are then instead listed as the final cause of death.

But the flu doesn’t captivate the public’s attention in the way a new, emerging virus does. Unknowns generate news, anxiety and sometimes panic.

Waiting in a downtown Los Angeles subway station Thursday, Josh Aguilera wore a white mask strapped over his nose and mouth. He had begun using the mask a few days earlier during his subway journeys between work and home to protect himself from the coronavirus, he said. 

“I ride the subway every day so I feel like I’m at risk,” said Aguilera, 31. 

But a bigger worry for people taking public transportation or in other crowded spaces is the flu, experts say. Nationwide, 19 million people in the United States have had the flu this season, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“This is something I guess we’re used to so we don’t really pay attention to it much,” Brown said. “I think we need to shift our attention back to the flu.” 

The CDC is not recommending that people wear face masks to protect against the coronavirus, or any other respiratory illness. 

Federal officials continue to recommend, however, that people get immunized against the flu. The flu shot can make people half as likely to get sick as someone who didn’t get the vaccine and the flu season runs through May, according to the CDC.

“Get your flu shot — take measures to prevent getting sick with the many things in this country we have to get sick from,” said Tufts Medical Center infectious disease specialist Dr. Shira Doron. “The likelihood of an American being killed by the flu compared to being killed by the coronavirus is probably approaching infinity.”

So far, 213 people have died worldwide from the coronavirus. Public health officials are still learning who is most likely to die from the coronavirus. 

Experts know that the flu tends to be most dangerous for the elderly. However, the strains of flu circulating this year have been hitting young people especially hard. In California, 37 people under the age of 50 have died from influenza this season, according to state data.

“We have to get people vaccinated,” said New York University bioethicist Arthur Caplan. 

One upside of the anxiety over coronavirus, experts say, is that it may inadvertently prevent flu cases, since the diseases are transmitted in similar ways. 

To protect against the flu — or coronavirus, if that’s your concern — people should wash their hands frequently, sneeze or cough into the crook of their elbow and avoid contact with ill people, said Dartmouth College professor Dr. Elizabeth Talbot.

“There are a lot of things we can do in a very routine way to stay healthier,” Talbot said.

 

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There is no doubt in my mind that the media is using the CV disease to spread fear, panic, and political agendas.   

 

 

 

We could be vastly overestimating the death rate for COVID-19. Here's why

Workers prepare part of a delivery of 64 hospital beds from Hillrom to The Mount Sinai Hospital during the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) in Manhattan, New York City, U.S., March 31, 2020

Workers prepare part of a delivery of 64 hospital beds to The Mount Sinai Hospital, New York

Image: REUTERS/Andrew Kelly

  • A lack of adequate testing means many of those who have been infected with the coronavirus will not appear in official statistics.
  • This suggests that many estimates for its mortality rate are much too high.
  • We need to build better systems for sharing and reporting data.

Public health epidemiology is the science of counting to prevent disease and promote health. We count the number of new cases of a particular disease; this is the incidence. Then we count how much a disease has spread in a population; this is the prevalence.

When it comes to COVID-19, counting is a challenge. Despite all the news articles and reports, we know very little about the incidence or prevalence of this new disease. And as is always the case: ignorance breeds fear. In my hometown of New York City and elsewhere one fear is on just about everyone’s mind: death rates here appear to be considerably higher than rates reported elsewhere. 

Or are they? Using patient data from China, public health officials initially estimated that 80% of COVID-19 cases are either asymptomatic or have mild disease. Given that hospital beds, health workers, and test kits are in short supply, only highly symptomatic people are advised to go to the hospital. Because of lack of adequate testing, including in the United States, in many places only hospital patients are now counted as cases. The people who do not feel seriously ill stay home, recover quietly, and are never counted. This matters because they do not appear in any of the official statistics.

Take for example an elderly New Yorker who is mildly sick. She calls her family doctor who makes a clinical diagnosis of suspected COVID-19 based on her symptoms, not a test. Because she is not very sick, she is advised to stay home. There is no mechanism for her doctor to report her diagnosis to the health authorities, so if she gets better, she is never counted. Only if she becomes ill enough to be admitted to the hospital, is she counted as a COVID-19 case. If she dies she will be counted as a COVID-19 death. 

Since many of us are experiencing homeschooling these days, it seems a good time for a math refresher. Once the number of infections is determined, this becomes the denominator in our public health calculation. The number of deaths is our numerator. 

Numerator (number of deaths)/denominator (number of people infected) x 100 = infection fatality rate

We know the virus spreads very fast once it is introduced to a population. That means many of us in the general population are or were already infected with the virus- whether or not we have symptoms.

 

Testing rates - and counting methods - vary widely from country to country

Testing rates - and counting methods - vary widely from country to country

Image: Our World in Data

However, instead of counting us all in the denominator, in many countries including the US, only people sick enough to go to the hospital are counted. People sick enough to go to the hospital are more likely to need critical care, and patients in critical condition are more likely to die than patients with mild symptoms. This means the fatality rate looks higher than it really is.

Further, even when we are testing, depending on the type of test used, we may only be counting people who are actively infected, not those who had it and are thus currently immune. This again will lead to an underestimate of the denominator.

What does it mean? It means that the denominator (number of infections) is smaller than it should be, so the numerator (number of deaths) has a lot of power. In this case, the result is that the death rate (numerator divided by denominator) reported is higher than it should be. In other words, by not counting the people who don’t need hospital care, we are massively over projecting the percent of infected people who die of COVID-19. It’s a dangerous message that is causing fear all driven by a false denominator.

In the coming days, the death rate is going to look worse, especially as hospitals get more and more crowded and we ration care. It will seem as if a higher percentage of COVID-infected people are dying than is actually the case. Unlike other diseases, there is neither enough nor appropriate testing, making it impossible to assess how many of us were already infected and thus are no longer at risk of infection. The vast majority of us will be infected, survive, and remain unware if we carried the virus or were contagious, so we will unwittingly infect our friends and family members.

Data from across the US and from other countries about deaths by age, underlying medical conditions, medications being taken at time of death, and other factors could eventually help us understand how COVID-19 behaves at both a population and individual level. In the meantime, we need to adjust official population-level estimate of case numbers, or at the very least, build better systems for sharing data and reporting.

And at some point, we will return to and rebuild our daily routines, with the new addition of attending to the mental health crisis caused by weeks of fear, isolation and anxiety. Much of which could have been avoided by an accurate and clear definition of the denominator.

Anna Matterson, Susanna Lehtimaki and Katie Holland also contributed to this piece.

 

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1 hour ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

 

 

I find it quite convenient that Gates resigned from Microsoft the moment covid-19 hit the scene.

 

You can bet him and this "Dr. Fauci" fellow and the CDC cannot wait to push mandatory vaccination. Imagine the money those involved are looking at if they can push this on people?

 

We really need to think hard about situations like this...the fear and hysteria being pushed by some of these people usually mean they have something to sell. :lol:

 

Thanks for this Scott.

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1 hour ago, Jim1cor13 said:

 

I find it quite convenient that Gates resigned from Microsoft the moment covid-19 hit the scene.

 

You can bet him and this "Dr. Fauci" fellow and the CDC cannot wait to push mandatory vaccination. Imagine the money those involved are looking at if they can push this on people?

 

We really need to think hard about situations like this...the fear and hysteria being pushed by some of these people usually mean they have something to sell. :lol:

 

Thanks for this Scott.

Totally agree.  Amazing how Pres. Trump has not mentioned the 'good work' Bill Gates is doing.  Gates is vey much behind this outbreak.

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1 hour ago, Shedagal said:

Totally agree.  Amazing how Pres. Trump has not mentioned the 'good work' Bill Gates is doing.  Gates is vey much behind this outbreak.

 

I am also extremely suspicious of the Fauci character. I generally shy away from anyone who uses fear and a constant state of alarm to push their agenda's. Not saying Fauci is doing this...but I do not trust today's brand of modern medicine and the potions they promote. I have done too much research on how the game is played, and also am very aware at the numbers of people harmed each year by this system.

 

Responsible medicine was lost when for profit motives took over back in the mid 1970's in my opinion.

 

We really must learn to "question everything"...for our own good. In today's world, it simply is no longer an option to allow others to think for us. in fact, it could be dangerous to our health and well being. Just my thoughts...

 

Thanks for the dialogue shedagal. 😃

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16 hours ago, Jim1cor13 said:

 

I find it quite convenient that Gates resigned from Microsoft the moment covid-19 hit the scene.

 

You can bet him and this "Dr. Fauci" fellow and the CDC cannot wait to push mandatory vaccination. Imagine the money those involved are looking at if they can push this on people?

 

We really need to think hard about situations like this...the fear and hysteria being pushed by some of these people usually mean they have something to sell. :lol:

 

Thanks for this Scott.

You're welcome. The question is, what happens if someone refuses to take said vaccination?

 

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1 hour ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

The question is, what happens if someone refuses to take said vaccination?

 

My wife was a Registered Nurse for 44 years.  She worked every part of a local hospital including Administration.  Her last two years she was told if she didn’t have a flu shot she would be terminated immediately.  

 

That’s what will happen LGD.  If you are on any Government payroll, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Retired Vet, etc, etc you will get vaccinated or lose your benefits.  Any State, City, County Government that takes money from the Federal Government will basically be told to vaccinate your people or lose your Fed monies.  Those that choose to forgo the vaccination will be labeled criminals imo.

 

Most people will be so scared of dying from this CV they will take the vaccination just like my parents had me vaccinated for polio in the late 50’s.  In those days you got your children vaccinated or your children weren’t allowed to attend public schools.  

 

I’m not saying this is right, it’s just my opinion.

 

 

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