Moxie64 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 58 minutes ago, umbertino said: Then I " PRAY " both parties will come together and unite behind " WE THE PEOPLE " and make " AMERICA " better then it has ever been. GOD BLESS US ALL. Have a great weekend and all 'PRAY" the virus dies away. Glad you agree. If I had my way I'ld lock them in a room til they could come up with something they both comprise ON and put a bill on floor they can vote on and pass! and one that made sense. I also believe when they all take their oath they all sign a NDA!! Those that break it get removed from office. Leakers should be punished more then anybody else no matter who they are. Those that tell lies should go to prison it, lies can destroy lives which some never overcome once they are proven innocence. Our government leaders should do their jobs for the better of all Americans. If not vote them out. Once they leave office go get a job!! Your money you earned should be added with rest and a % of all is your retirement check. "COMMON SENSE " and compassion should be instilled at birth. This is my opinion again. for now Moxie64 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markb57 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, umbertino said: And of course you'd state exactly same if the priest in question happened to be right-wing and pro right-wing politicians.... don't know. never heard or saw a right-wing priest. don't think they exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) Quote If I had my way I'ld lock them in a room til they could come up with something they both comprise ON and put a bill on floor they can vote on and pass! and one that made sense. End Quote And myself, along with millions others, would willingly do the same with our politicians over here.....It all sounds and looks like an enormous shame ( the official political scene I mean) all over the world nowadays.....Practically impossible trying to make some sense out of it.....Must be the the pollution in the air..... Edited February 28, 2020 by umbertino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nstoolman1 Posted February 28, 2020 Report Share Posted February 28, 2020 I have known several. They don't like socialism or liberals. They hurt donations when people are over taxed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie64 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, umbertino said: And myself, along with millions others, would willingly do the same with our politicians over here.....It all sounds and looks like an enormous shame ( the official political scene I mean) all over the world nowadays.....Practically impossible trying to make some sense out of it.....Must be the the pollution in the air..... Edited 3 hours ago by umbertino I sure double agree with you about the shame these politicians don't have any understanding of how all their lies are tearing this country apart. There should be no place in this country for the PURE HATE the dems have for President Trump. The lies backfire on them every time i day they will go up in flames. I can see Trump and those that truly support every evening and make bets on the next move they will make. Shame on them for not even seeing how their hate for him makes it so clear they must hate all American? Like WE the PEOPLE are all trash to be taken to the dump. If they would have worked with Trump and reps how great the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA would be now. If Trump doesn't get re-elected in Nov. may God have mercy on us all. If people can come together and help each in times of disasters too bad we can;t do it every day. Sure hope it isn't the pollution or we just plain screwed oh no!! Got to 5 o'clock some where right?? lol for now Moxie64 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 20 hours ago, umbertino said: Agreed Being in Italy you are in a unique position here for all of us on DV. Your perspectives on the Coronavirus would be welcomed and valued. Have you experienced any day to day life changes?....stores still well stocked?.....Government involvement/interventions? Be healthy.....CL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 18 hours ago, markb57 said: don't know. never heard or saw a right-wing priest. don't think they exist. Right you are because men of God care for the poor and impoverished. They aren't tempted by greed. They work for humanity... Oh wait what was I thinking... There are plenty of greedy and unconcerned clergy... That's why the Catholics own billions in properties and artwork and pay lawyers to defend them. And Evangelicals build churches bigger than football stadiums and their preachers wear $5,000 suits and drive Cadillacs. Or every other religion cashing in off their followers to enjoy the riches. So I guess you are wrong Mark, religion is very much right wing in their love of money and power... B/A 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 2 hours ago, bostonangler said: Right you are because men of God care for the poor and impoverished. They aren't tempted by greed. They work for humanity... Oh wait what was I thinking... There are plenty of greedy and unconcerned clergy... That's why the Catholics own billions in properties and artwork and pay lawyers to defend them. And Evangelicals build churches bigger than football stadiums and their preachers wear $5,000 suits and drive Cadillacs. Or every other religion cashing in off their followers to enjoy the riches. So I guess you are wrong Mark, religion is very much right wing in their love of money and power... B/A With that said B/A......you might attend one of these churches.....where all of the fears can be washed away.... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/church-beer_n_4212545 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 22 hours ago, markb57 said: don't know. never heard or saw a right-wing priest. don't think they exist. Ok then..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: With that said B/A......you might attend one of these churches.....where all of the fears can be washed away.... https://www.huffpost.com/entry/church-beer_n_4212545 I would but I don't drink.... Much! B/A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 17 hours ago, nstoolman1 said: I have known several. They don't like socialism or liberals. They hurt donations when people are over taxed. Exactly...I have to agree with you on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, coorslite21 said: Being in Italy you are in a unique position here for all of us on DV. Your perspectives on the Coronavirus would be welcomed and valued. Have you experienced any day to day life changes?....stores still well stocked?.....Government involvement/interventions? Be healthy.....CL Thanks....As I maybe already stated....I'm not scared by this virus...I believe certain press , TV channels and some politicians fueled the whole thing either for selling more papers, TV's setting up a whole string of programs to kill time and inviting, apart from doctors/ experts and the like, also lots of strange guests/characters and their dogs, cats and guinea pigs and talk / chat the perfect nothingness, talking /vomiting a lot of BS more often than not, adding confusion to the existing confusion People already had .....and some politicians also for ways to attack the current Gov't ( which btw I do not particularly like, just to be clear).... If I noticed any changes in the day-to-day routine? Yes and no...In that ...a few days ago everybody seemed to have gone totally nuts even in my area and region ( no cases here so far) raiding supermarkets like we were in war-time and pharmacies for disinfectants and surgical masks which were gone in half a day ( usual jackals selling both articles for hundreds of euros and usual naive ones buying them)...Also in my area kindergartens, schools and universities closed ( opening up next Monday) In Milan even bars were closed...Then after a protest they were given permission to open until 6:00 pm mind you...No sense in all this Most productive businesses on their knees for a series of bans....Causing desperation 2 days ago a virologist said clearly that in Italy there's no dead caused by coronavirus....The deceased folks ( all elderly....Around 80....Bless them) were all already bearing other important illnesses and problems...Coronavirus simply added up giving those a push toward death...So they didn't die ( in this country at least) DUE to the CV but they did die ALSO for the CV adding up to their other pathologies.... Edited February 29, 2020 by umbertino 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 Quote Government involvement/interventions? End Quote Sorry for neglecting this part of your question...Yes the Gov't did a lot ( some good some bad)...Feeling the wave of terror reaching the pop. it decided to stop altogether all the flies from and to China ( China Gov't was slightly bugged by this)...Then started taking more and more draconian measures to deal with the situation ( deciding together with the Regions Governors)....Closing schools etc...there were a few contradictions in the decisions which were taken, which led to a u-turn....I'm surely forgetting more things...Sorry 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, umbertino said: Quote Government involvement/interventions? End Quote Sorry for neglecting this part of your question...Yes the Gov't did a lot ( some good some bad)...Feeling the wave of terror reaching the pop. it decided to stop altogether all the flies from and to China ( China Gov't was slightly bugged by this)...Then started taking more and more draconian measures to deal with the situation ( deciding together with the Regions Governors)....Closing schools etc...there were a few contradictions in the decisions which were taken, which led to a u-turn....I'm surely forgetting more things...Sorry Thanks.....stay well and keep us posted...😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 8 hours ago, bostonangler said: Right you are because men of God care for the poor and impoverished. They aren't tempted by greed. They work for humanity... Oh wait what was I thinking... There are plenty of greedy and unconcerned clergy... That's why the Catholics own billions in properties and artwork and pay lawyers to defend them. And Evangelicals build churches bigger than football stadiums and their preachers wear $5,000 suits and drive Cadillacs. Or every other religion cashing in off their followers to enjoy the riches. So I guess you are wrong Mark, religion is very much right wing in their love of money and power... B/A Agreed....Holy words, bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted February 29, 2020 Report Share Posted February 29, 2020 3 hours ago, coorslite21 said: Thanks.....stay well and keep us posted...😉 Thanks CL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 On 2/28/2020 at 7:37 PM, markb57 said: don't know. never heard or saw a right-wing priest. don't think they exist. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/unsealing-vatican-archive-reveal-hitler-truth-pope-pius-xii 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 https://sojo.net/magazine/march-2019/rise-catholic-right https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/21/world/europe/poland-elections-tadeusz-rydzyk.html https://books.google.it/books?id=wq68DwAAQBAJ&pg=PP17&lpg=PP17&dq=right-wing+and+far-right+wing+clergy&source=bl&ots=Le2b4xIMw6&sig=ACfU3U2vgUn_usXF3KqguGuIr6D5VDV-ow&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjanunagPnnAhUNi1wKHduFBgw4ChDoATAJegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=right-wing and far-right wing clergy&f=false https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2018/holy-hate-far-right’s-radicalization-religion https://www.au.org/church-state/june-2016-church-state/featured/the-persistence-of-pulpit-politicking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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