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So they are advocating anarchy?

 

Never would work. Man is inherently evil, in the sense of lawlessness.

What happens when someone commits an act of aggression?

Who decides what is right or wrong?

Who will administer the punishment or force the aggressor to make good their transgressions?

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20 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

So they are advocating anarchy?

 

Never would work. Man is inherently evil, in the sense of lawlessness.

What happens when someone commits an act of aggression?

Who decides what is right or wrong?

Who will administer the punishment or force the aggressor to make good their transgressions?

 

 

People are evil, so we need a government made out of people are evil, so we need a government made out of people are evil.... etc.. etc...  Governments  are inherently evil. How many in government have committed mass murder, atrocities etc. There is a term called Democide. It means death by government. In 20th century there were 262 million people murdered by government workers. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM  The worst atrocities have been committed by governments. Experimenting on unwilling or unwitting citizens is also an example. 

 

Besides that one of the points that video is discussing is that there are some things that are inherently wrong, for example acting violent/ initiating violence towards other people. The philosophy of liberty explains that in detail.

 

 

It's the same as the golden rule in Christianity.  Matthew 7:12  "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Which is also found in other religions. 

 

 

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Nstoolman you are right, man left to his own devices are deceived and indeed have the capacity to become totally depraved without law.  Punishment for crimes are what keeps man from  committing  atrocities and bringing societies from total chaos.  We are to follow the laws of the land set forth by our appointed government unless and I say UNLESS these go against Gods law.  Our laws are stemmed from Godly men that wrote the constitution and brought forth  a sound Bibical foundation.  For our constitution to become void and man became his own law, we the people would not only destroy the future of generations to come but would be breaking Gods decreed laws as it is He that put these things in place and brings up the leaders of the nations.  God has written His law on every mans heart therefore we have a responsibilty before Him.  Even so, without the fear of retribution, I fear all would go their own way and the end of civilization would come about pretty rapidly.  We are already seeing evidence of this in many of our once great cities such as NY and Ca.  Our great nation cannot survive without law, WE WILL NOT SURVIVE WITHOUT LAW.  Bibically speaking;  the OT was full of evil leaders as well as Godly leaders, during the times of evil leaders there was always judgement brought upon the people.  We must always use our sound judgement to bring to government the best even when it seems that we really dont have a great choice in either.  Then we pray for him knowing that Gods will, will be done.  Lawlessness will bring us to our ends but of course this will be so in the end days.....of course lawlessness will get here sooner if we are to listen to a gal and others such as this.

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"What happens when someone commits an act of aggression?"

 

Since there are no laws against self defense, then the individual being attacked is well in their rights to use appropriate force in order to protect themselves. So they defend. Using weapons if necessary. Something that lots of governments prohibit people from doing. 

 

"Who decides what is right or wrong?"

 

No one. It's self explanatory as explained in the video I've posted. 

 

"Who will administer the punishment or force the aggressor to make good their transgressions?"

 

If the fact that their potential victim is armed to the teeth is not a deterrent enough to avoid aggressive and violent action. There are other ways to settle such a situation. 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

 

2. The last video only works for people who are willing to be good and not force themselves or their ideas on others. 

 

 

That's exactly what people in government always want to do. Or people who want to use government violence want to do. 

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3 minutes ago, learning all i can said:

Nstoolman you are right, man left to his own devices are deceived and indeed have the capacity to become totally depraved without law.  Punishment for crimes are what keeps man from  committing  atrocities and bringing societies from total chaos. 

 

 

That chaos is already happening with government existing. Child trafficking rings with high ranking government officials involved (the whole Epstein case being a prime example). Mass murder as I have mentioned before (262 million murdered by governments in the 20th century). Government agencies involved in drug trafficking (Gary Webb was murdered after reporting on this). Forced sterilization of citizens. And that's even before taking war into consideration.  The worse part is that politicians or high ranking government officials often get away scott free without being punished. 

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And where do we draw the line? Lots of people believe that man can't be trusted to trade, create products and engage in voluntary exchange. They want government to control all of it. They want governments to control trade and the means of production (aka socialism) because a lack of trust in free and unregulated markets. We all know how that turns out every time (Venezuela being one of the latest examples). 

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17 minutes ago, Bandit795 said:

appropriate force

Who decides that???

 

 

 

1 hour ago, nstoolman1 said:

Who decides what is right or wrong?

 

18 minutes ago, Bandit795 said:

No one. It's self explanatory as explained in the video I've posted. 

 

If you are talking about the illusive moral compass I will pass on that reasoning.

One persons idea of right and wrong is going to be different than others.

Some one might not agree that stealing is wrong. What regress do I have against that person? They won't feel they have done wrong.  

 

Those people that want government to control their lives want government to control everybody. 

What you are describing is the Liberal side of society. 

Show me a solution that will work outside of a perfect world. 

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1 minute ago, Bandit795 said:

And where do we draw the line? Lots of people believe that man can't be trusted to trade, create products and engage in voluntary exchange. They want government to control all of it. They want governments to control trade and the means of production (aka socialism) because a lack of trust in free and unregulated markets. We all know how that turns out every time (Venezuela being one of the latest examples). 

Bandit, I can understand your frustration as I believe all of us are feeling the indignities of our leaders.  Once again, I believe that we are to vote for the man/woman that most fits with our beliefs even tho they may not be the perfect fit for us.  The ones that are socialist and creating their own lawlessness for their cities must be voted out but the people in those cities and states must be willing to stand and vote for another that has the standards to bring about the change needed.  I have no answers for this ever rising crisis but just to know that I can rest in God all mighty.  He is our fortress,  who can be against us when He is for us?.....  For me, I look beyond today and these troubles times,  these are the days that will come and go....keep your eyes on what is to come.....

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2 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

Who decides that???

 

The one under attack. The same if some other country attacks the U.S., the U.S. themselves decides to use.

 

 

2 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

If you are talking about the illusive moral compass I will pass on that reasoning.

One persons idea of right and wrong is going to be different than others.

Some one might not agree that stealing is wrong. What regress do I have against that person? They won't feel they have done wrong.  

 

When government steals from us, confiscates property, threaten us with incarceration or murder as a last resort if we refuse to go along with that theft it is also morally wrong. But they don't believe so. It's the same situation. Government and government agents should not

 have any special power or right that we as individuals do not have.

 

 

2 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

Those people that want government to control their lives want government to control everybody. 

What you are describing is the Liberal side of society. 

Show me a solution that will work outside of a perfect world. 

 

That includes conservatives. Liberals want to control market factors of our lives. They want to control our economic freedom and some aspects of our personal freedom. Conservatives want to control our personal freedom. They want to control what we do with our own bodies as if they own it. They want to control what we ingest, even if we don't hurt anyone but ourselves with it (narcotics, the so-called "victimless crimes").

 

There is no perfect world. 

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https://www.godarchy.org/2019/06/30/the-moral-authority-of-the-state-is-death

 

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The Moral Authority of the State Is Death

Posted in : The Nature of Government on June 30, 2019 by : Michael Maharrey Tags: Christianity, government

 

Where does the state derive its moral authority?

Most people would say it  gets it from “the people.” But what does that even mean?

Perhaps they would say it derives its legitimacy from the “consent” of the people. But virtually nobody consents to every demand of the state.  And some reject its authority altogether. How can we say it derives moral authority from consent if not everybody consents?

Many would appeal to the principle of “democracy” and assert that the consent of the majority provides sufficient moral authority for the state to act. But this raises more questions. What exactly morally justifies one group of people forcing a smaller group to do its bidding simply because it constitutes a majority?

When you boil it all down, the state does not derive moral authority from any of these high-minded political ideals. Ultimately, it asserts all of its moral force and authority through the power of death. People submit to the state because it can and will kill them if they don’t.

Think about it for a moment. The states’ governments enforce every one of their laws at gunpoint. They collect every dollar of revenue at gunpoint. They ensure compliance with every regulation at gunpoint. Enforcement may not start with a gun pointing at you, but if you persist in resisting any law, you will eventually find your head in the crosshairs. The implied threat of violence, up to and including deadly force, lurks behind every government action.  

The State as a Principality

Theologian William Stringfellow describes the state as the “preeminent principality.” (See Ephesians 6:12)*

He describes principalities as the “institutions, systems, ideologies, and other political and social powers – as militant, aggressive and influential creatures in the world as it is.” These entities have a life of their own – a “personality” and an individual essence.

People who study organizational dynamics have understood this for a long time. Corporations, institutions and other organizations have their own “personalities,” their own internal dynamics and their own behavioral momentum. Social scientists call this “corporate culture.” It tends to remain relatively stable over time and resists change. People who become part of these institutions tend to eventually embrace the corporate culture and conform to it. Think of the ethos of Walt Disney, or Chick-fil-A, or Apple. Strong leaders can sometimes change corporate culture, but it takes a significant concerted effort and attempts to shift it often end in failure.

Stringfellow takes the notion of corporate culture a step further, adding a spiritual dimension. He asserts that principalities are, in effect,  spiritual “creatures” guided by their own ethos. Most significantly, like individual human beings, principalities are subject to the fall and generally work against God.

The Moral Authority of the State

The Babylon parable in the Book of Revelation ascribes death as the moral reality that rules nations, and all other principalities and powers in this world. (Rev 12:7-12; 13:1-8)

Stringfellow writes, “Death dominates these creatures, and as the preeminent principality, death dominates all states.”

What do we mean by the state? Economist and political philosopher Murray Rothbard defines it this way.

“The State is that organization in society which attempts to maintain a monopoly of the use of force and violence in a given territorial area; in particular, it is the only organization in society that obtains its revenue not by voluntary contribution or payment for services rendered but by coercion.”

Stringfellow describes the state in very similar terms.

“Among all the principalities, in their legion, species and diversities, the State has a particular eminence. The State, in this context, names the functional paraphernalia of political authority in a nation, which claims and exercises exclusive practical control of coercive capabilities, or violence, within a nation.  The precedence of the State hierarchically among the principalities is related to the jurisdiction asserted by the state over other institutions and powers within a nation. Practically, it is symbolized by the police power, taxation, licensing, regulation of corporate organizations and activity, the military forces and the like.” [Emphasis added]

Stringfellow doesn’t mince words. He calls these principalities “demonic.”

We see it pretty clearly in totalitarian regimes – the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, the Roman Empire and Babylon. But the same undercurrent of violence, force and coercion runs through every state – including the United States of America.

Again  – every tax-dollar collected and every law enforced is ultimately under the threat of deadly force.

As Stringfellow puts it, the state exposes the moral authority of the demonic with directness and severity.

That moral authority is death.

“Every sanction or weapon or policy or procedure – including law where law survives distinct from authority – which the State commands against both human beings and against other principalities carries the connotation of death, implicitly threatens death, derives from and symbolizes death … Enumerate the usual prerogatives of the State and it becomes plain that each and every one of them embodies the meaning of death: exile, imprisonment, slavery, conscription, impeachment, regulation of production or sales or prices or wages or competition or credit; confiscation, surveillance, execution, war. Whenever the authority of the State is exercised as such ways as these, the moral basis of that authority remains the same: death. That is the final sanction of the State and it is the only one.” [Emphasis original]

* All of the Stringfellow quotes come from his book An Ethic For Christians & Other Aliens in a Strange Land.

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

Who decides that???

 

3 hours ago, Bandit795 said:

The one under attack. The same if some other country attacks the U.S., the U.S. themselves decides to use.

 

So in your scenario, I am sitting at a table and someone steals food from me. I being the one under attack or aggression have the right to decide how much retaliation I can come back with. So I decide to draw my weapon and kill the transgressor. It is a bit strong but with out any laws  to guide us it is going to get pretty nasty. Now the relative of dead thief is going to thing the punishment was to harsh and come after me. Do you see the kaos that will ensue?

 

3 hours ago, Bandit795 said:

That includes conservatives. Liberals want to control market factors of our lives. They want to control our economic freedom and some aspects all of our personal freedom. Conservatives want to control our personal freedom. (No, you have been listening to MSM to much) They want to control what we do with our own bodies as if they own it. (No, we want to save the lives of children from murder under the guise of freedom). They want to control what we ingest, even if we don't hurt anyone but ourselves with it (narcotics, the so-called "victimless crimes"). The "victimless" crime as you state sure has a lot of dead people from overdoses. That cost someone money in the long run.

 

The red letters are my answer to your inaccurate statements. 

 

 

If you want to use our present government as the example of what it should not be, then O.K. I will give you that. Our form of governance based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights is the best there is. Now if men corrupt it in the performance of it then we have another issue. Humans need some form of boundaries or there will be anarchy.  

Show me an example of a society that does not have a form of government that works and you might convince me. Otherwise you will end up with a perpetual "Purge" type of society. 

No law, no rules equal Kaos. 

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8 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

So in your scenario, I am sitting at a table and someone steals food from me. I being the one under attack or aggression have the right to decide how much retaliation I can come back with. So I decide to draw my weapon and kill the transgressor. It is a bit strong but with out any laws  to guide us it is going to get pretty nasty. Now the relative of dead thief is going to thing the punishment was to harsh and come after me. Do you see the kaos that will ensue?

 

First of all, the risk of putting his life in danger is  a deterrent to him stealing. As for the chaos that will ensue, that's already happening on a massive scale with governments. The chaos of war  or government atrocities are much worse than any personal situation there is. Look at Iraq today, all of the chaos that is going on has government action as a cause, this is obvious in the explanation of the videos in this thread. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

No, you have been listening to MSM to much. Wrong. I don't follow the MSM at all. 

 

No, we want to save the lives of children from murder under the guise of freedom. I wasn't talking about abortion if that's what you was insinuating. I was talking about drugs for example. 

 

"The "victimless" crime as you state sure has a lot of dead people from overdoses. That cost someone money in the long run." Alcohol has caused a lot more harm than any of the other drugs and it's legal. https://tripsafe.org/what-is-lsd/  Also in Portugal all drugs have been decriminalized. The "criminals" are now treated as patients. Drug abuse and overdose has declined during the years since. https://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/portugal-heroin-decriminalization/

 

 In fact even police realize now that the legalization of drugs will do much more good than bad. And that most of the death and harm, black markets and cartels result from the prohibition. https://lawenforcementactionpartnership.org/our-issues/drug-policy/

 

12 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

If you want to use our present government as the example of what it should not be, then O.K. I will give you that. Our form of governance based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights is the best there is. Now if men corrupt it in the performance of it then we have another issue. Humans need some form of boundaries or there will be anarchy.  

Show me an example of a society that does not have a form of government that works and you might convince me. Otherwise you will end up with a perpetual "Purge" type of society. 

No law, no rules equal Kaos. 

 

 

I'm not using your present government as an example of what it should not be. I'm using all governments in the history of mankind as examples of how it should not be. The constitution and the bill of rights allowed humans to be enslaved by other humans. They are far from being the best there is. 

 

The perpetual "purge" type of society already exists on a government scale. 

 

 

 

 

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Romans 13:1-7 New International Version (NIV)

Submission to Governing Authorities

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

 

 

Here are some things I came up with fifteen years ago of my own volition. Maybe not original but my own estimation of values.

 

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The heart of the nation is the center four (Equal Justice, Constitution, Free Thinking/Responsible Individuals, and Allegiance).

The soul of the nation is the center top two and center bottom two (Personal Ownership, Territory, Security/Technology, and Military)

The conscience of the nation is the middle two on the left and the middle two on the right (Blackstone, U.S. Constitution, Judiciary, and Law Enforcement).

The strength of the nation is the four corners (Magna Carte, The Bible, Executive/Legislative, and Unique Economy).

 

There are relationships between the Physical and Foundation such as the Executive/Legislative and Military, Territory and Security/Technology, Personal Ownership and The Bible, Magna Carte and Unique Economy and others. Each of the items in the matrix here have their unique and definitive definition that for brevity I will not include here. I only post for viewing and consideration.

 

Here is a diagram of the balance of necessary items:

 

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Any one of these spheres of influence left to themselves is highly problematic. The balance of them all would suggest the most necessary form of government is the County Government. More can be said about the health and integrity of any community by what happens on the County Fair Grounds year around with the types and amounts of activities relevant to the community while still having exposure to the County Government elected and appointed individuals so that Government is of the people, by the people, and (notably) for the people. Here is the culmination of the aspirations of We the People and making the best use of the God Given Reason and Common Sense to avert enslavement of any sort. Personal Responsibility begins with the person the the nuclear family (one man married to one woman with associated minors), extended family, church, community, and (lastly) the County without State or Federal interference.

 

The Functional Sphere is anything physical necessary to conduct one's affairs apart from external impositions. As such, Personal Ownership is key while Government only apportions Appropriate Taxation with Moral constraints. Willful Freedoms are a balance between the Functional and Moral Spheres with limited framework provided by the Government. Lastly, the Moral Sphere is the Church (Body Of Jesus Christ) that provides the Basis for Principled Governance so that the Government can provide Laws and Policy only where necessary.

 

Well, these are my thoughts and I am stuck to them. Enjoy!

 

It is impossible to separate people and a form of rule where appropriate principle is above people.

 

If people are above appropriate principle then there is tyranny.

 

If the principle exists at the expense of the people, then the principle is not appropriate.

 

The United States Of America is a Democratic Republic with individuals democratically elected to represent the people as a Republic.

 

Get Over IT!!!

 

Participation at every level is key.

 

No one can maintain a safe and secure society individually. People act responsibly then corporately for the common good.

 

 

I can probably take it a step further.  My opinion, of course.

Conservatism assumes that a person is independent and is responsible for their own thoughts, will, and welfare - and solely reaps the rewards or consequences thereof.  Conservatism then foster interdependence so that people can think, engage in discourse, interact, and work for the common good of their own accord.

Liberalism demands that individuals be dependent on an entity or philosophy for complete instruction and for sustenance while extracting the emolument from the gainfully employed.  Liberalism then forces people into codependency so that the individual's wherewithal is completely destroyed and the masses sink irrevocably into the abyss of chaos and self destruction.

Therefore, Conservatism is the bedrock of any sustainable society provided individual responsibilities and liberties are maintained (or acquired) and people freely interact and work with each other for the common good.  Every form of Liberalism will destroy a society if left to perpetuate in an environment of "Political Correctness."  Conservatism, to flourish, must stand against the tide of progressive personal irresponsibilities and moral terpitude if the society in which it exists wants to, and will, stand against all foes.  "Live Free Or Die" - the choice is clear since existence in a "Politically Correct" environment is a form of ideological slavery where existence can be termed "Hell On Earth."

Typically, the lowest forms of law and government coincide with the highest forms or personal and collaborative responsibility.  Criminal and Civil laws sink to the lowest forms of personal responsibility and accountability.  Either the laws are installed to address the irresponsible populace or government is actively imposing the social philosophies on the masses.

 

Stateism is a term used here to simplistically confuse the parameters of personal responsibility and the framework of a Constitutional Society placing them in competition with each other to foster the political and social philosophy of Anarchy as a mythically  effective and sustainable means of peaceable and prosperous existence that leads to self rule at the expense of others since no man can or should accept the base level of arbitration of another that is never significantly consistent with even a majority of other individuals.

 

Man in and of himself is incapable of governing himself and must ascent to a Higher Authority.

 

Numbers 15:38-40 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

38 “Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and that they shall put on the tassel of each corner a cord of blue. 39 It shall be a tassel for you [a]to look at and remember all the commandments of the Lord, so as to do them and not [b]follow after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you played the harlot, 40 so that you may remember to do all My commandments and be holy to your God.

Footnotes:

  1. Numbers 15:39 Lit and you shall look at it
  2. Numbers 15:39 Lit seek

 

Judges 21:25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

25 In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

 

 

1 Samuel 8:1-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Israel Demands a King

And it came about when Samuel was old that he appointed his sons judges over Israel. Now the name of his firstborn was Joel, and the name of his second, Abijah; they were judging in Beersheba. His sons, however, did not walk in his ways, but turned aside after dishonest gain and took bribes and perverted justice.

Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah; and they said to him, “Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint a king for us to judge us like all the nations.” But the thing was [a]displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the Lord. The Lord said to Samuel, “Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them. Like all the deeds which they have done since the day that I brought them up from Egypt even to this day—in that they have forsaken Me and served other gods—so they are doing to you also. Now then, listen to their voice; however, you shall solemnly [b]warn them and tell them of the [c]procedure of the king who will reign over them.”

Footnotes:

  1. 1 Samuel 8:6 Or evil
  2. 1 Samuel 8:9 Lit testify to
  3. 1 Samuel 8:9 Lit custom

 

The four (4) Textual Cornerstones noted above are all interrelated. Blackstone English Common Law has very interesting and compelling assessments of Law and Application to the affairs of mankind.

 

As an extremely respected poster here at DinarVets has noted, do stupid things and get stupid prizes.

 

Anarchy is stupid and has destructive stupid prizes.

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Bandit795, I have a hard time discussing things with you. Every time I speak to you from a personal level you come back with an anti government response.

We as humans can not live together as a group without rules to assist us in everyday living.

Every rule or guideline must be agreed upon before it can be implemented. 

Like I said earlier, if you are going to expect everybody to be guided by a moral compass you are going to have a mess on your hands.

If you think people will behave because of the possibility of harsh punishment take a look at our prisons. 

There are laws and punishments already on the books and people still break them. 

 

Your style of argument reminds me of another member who I have difficulty conversing with.   

 

Good night

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On 12/9/2019 at 12:03 AM, nstoolman1 said:

Bandit795, I have a hard time discussing things with you. Every time I speak to you from a personal level you come back with an anti government response.

We as humans can not live together as a group without rules to assist us in everyday living.

Every rule or guideline must be agreed upon before it can be implemented. 

Like I said earlier, if you are going to expect everybody to be guided by a moral compass you are going to have a mess on your hands.

If you think people will behave because of the possibility of harsh punishment take a look at our prisons. 

There are laws and punishments already on the books and people still break them. 

 

Your style of argument reminds me of another member who I have difficulty conversing with.   

 

Good night

 

 

No problem. No hard feelings at all. Not everyone has to agree on everything. I've had a hard time coming to these conclusions. I may still be wrong, but seeing that most of the suffering the world is going through has at least a gubernatorial/authoritarian cause to it, it might be the case that government could be just one of the least moral ways of life around. 

 

 

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On 12/9/2019 at 9:10 AM, Shabibilicious said:

Infrastructure isn't going to govern itself.  :huh:  Roads don't pave themselves, or plow themselves, or mow their own ditches....not to mention water mains, sewer mains, right-of-ways, river management, lake management, chemical runoff...the list is a pretty long

 

GO RV, then BV

 

 

Oh, the old "Muh Roads" argument. The private sector can also handle these as good as government can. Most probably more cost effective and efficiently.

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12 hours ago, Bandit795 said:

 

 

Oh, the old "Muh Roads" argument. The private sector can also handle these as good as government can. Most probably more cost effective and efficiently.

 

So when the private sector takes care of the problems who calls the shots?....a group of citizens, like a board, with voting and such?  And these roads, as most commoners are well aware, generally center on section lines as counties are split geographically......Hence, rural private property lines.  And there will always be that one curmudgeon who doesn't what people driving over his land.  Who's going to police that guy?  This will play out again and again, and is just the tip of the iceberg with respect to infrastructure....so yes, the old "Muh Roads" argument.

 

GO RV, then BV

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This whole concept is laughable.  Here a few facts that can't be ignored.  

 

1.  There are a lot of stupid people in the world

2.  There are a lot of evil people in the world

3.  There are a lot of weak people in the world

 

The Stupid will get controlled by the evil who will then run rough shod over the weak.  Once that starts to happen, the good people will band together and form a protection ring to help thwart the evil who control the stupid.  What is another name for a protection ring....... Government.

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