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Really umb you post in another Thread how America isn't Great, you follow an support America citizens members that do nothing but try to destroy an talk trash everything about America. And then with above statement you say I hope it won't be the case...I say BS you rather see America fall off it pedestal. Your actions speak for themselves. 

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1 hour ago, yota691 said:

Really umb you post in another Thread how America isn't Great, you follow an support system" rel="">support America citizens members that do nothing but try to destroy an talk trash everything about America. And then with above statement you say I hope it won't be the case...I say BS you rather see America fall off it pedestal. Your actions speak for themselves. 

Actually, I've studied his post since he began saying more than usual and I think he's going through a phase of confusion.  He's been indoctrinated his entire life with socialist ideology. But for the last 8 years he's been here reading mostly conservative ideology. I think he's got a decent heart but is in a flux between Right and left. Or should I say , RIGHT AND WRONG. 

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5 hours ago, yota691 said:

Really umb you post in another Thread how America isn't Great, you follow an support system">support America citizens members that do nothing but try to destroy an talk trash everything about America. And then with above statement you say I hope it won't be the case...I say BS you rather see America fall off it pedestal. Your actions speak for themselves. 

 

No....I can feel like criticizing ( as I do a lot about my own Country Italy...... and many other Countries) which doesn't mean I want that fall as you call it...I have some  very good friends in America and also some of them ( US friends) in this Forum ( some even right-wing) that I care about and do not want anything bad happening to them, their families and their Country...A Country I visited more than 10 times, mind you...If I wanted the fall or if I'd hate a Nation so much  then it 'd NOT make sense to go visit so many times...Don't you think?

 

 

We (you and me) do not know each other personally, Yota so I'd suggest humbly that maybe, just maybe you'd give yourself the chance to get  to know  me much better before judging and giving your verdict.....

 

You're a very inteligent Individual and you know it's not easy to get to know someone in depth, esp. on the internet

 

 

Have a great Sunday

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On 10/26/2019 at 4:20 PM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Actually, I've studied his post since he began saying more than usual and I think he's going through a phase of confusion.  He's been indoctrinated his entire life with socialist ideology. But for the last 8 years he's been here reading mostly conservative ideology. I think he's got a decent heart but is in a flux between Right and left. Or should I say , RIGHT AND WRONG. 

 

I appreciate your post but, as I kindly wrote Yota as well.....

 

Dear LGD/ Santa ( I wrote something for you in the Santa thread in off-topic) ...You do not know me or at least not well and not deeply enough...Same as I do not you ...

 

We never met personally (so far at least) ...So you can not know if  I was indocrinated and when... if at all...Of course I do not feel I've been indoctrinated ( you wrote "his entire life")...I know I have not...I think I have a discreet/ average  brain  and discreet / average culture allowing me to think autonomously/ independently...

 

The thing I personally do not like is your tendency to call  " indoctrinated" ( at least here on this Forum)  ONLY Folks who lean on the left ( or at least not enough on the right) and I ( again so far) never read you call " Indoctrinated" those who are right-wing......Hmmmm...Equal treatment ?

 

 

Wealthy family students  would go....Gosh.....or ....I can't recall the other "good" expression......

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27 minutes ago, umbertino said:

 

I appreciate your post but, as I kindly wrote Yota as well.....

 

Dear LGD/ Santa ( I wrote something for you in the Santa thread in off-topic) ...You do not know me or at least not well and not deeply enough...Same as I do not you ...

 

We never met personally (so far at least) ...So you can not know if  I was indocrinated and when... if at all...Of course I do not feel I've been indoctrinated ( you wrote "his entire life")...I know I have not...I think I have a discreet/ average  brain  and discreet / average culture allowing me to think autonomously/ independently...

 

The thing I personally do not like is your tendency to call  " indoctrinated" ( at least here on this Forum)  ONLY Folks who lean on the left ( or at least not enough on the right) and I ( again so far) never read you call " Indoctrinated" those who are right-wing......Hmmmm...Equal treatment ?

 

 

Wealthy family students  would go....Gosh.....or ....I can't recall the other "good" expression......

You grew up in Italy right? 

INDOCTRINATED 

 

 

As America was founded on the very ESSENCE of freedom and critical thinking an intelligent Patriot has no need to be indoctrinated. It's a matter of CHOICE.  Something a person born in a leftist leaning country would not truly have. To be clear, Italy claims to have it's own conservative party, but everyone knows that Italy is owned and operated by the Mafia. Which is why the Barr/Duram investigation had to go to Italy. The Democratic Socialists Party has been run by the Mafia ever since Woodrow Wilson. 

For me the best way to explain why PATRIOTS of the Constitution cannot be indoctrinated is simply because they've been given a TRUE choice between Right and Left. Conservatives and the Democratic Socialists Party. Having made the choice of Conservatism they respect the choices others make and prefer to live and let live. Liberalism is a belief with roots in Communism the Mafia and Democratic Socialism  (ie. Nazism and Marxism)

Those groups instinctively CRUSH critical thinking and they Abhor Free speech.  Which is why the Democratic Socialists Party always tell us we can't say certain things because someone might be offended.  Thus ending FREE SPEECH. 

You, I,  or Anyone else DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NEVER BE OFFENDED. 

And I meant my initial response that caused you to make the above post was actually in defense of you. 

 

 

 
 
 
 
in·doc·tri·nate
/inˈdäktrəˌnāt/
verb
past tense: indoctrinated; past participle: indoctrinated
  1. teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
    "broadcasting was a vehicle for indoctrinating the masses".
     
     
     
     
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Oh, UMBE---- <_<:facepalm:

 

Any "idiot"ology that deprives humanity of all God-given Freedoms is a machine of indoctrination

PERIOD.

Socialism, communism, fascism, etc.... Enslavers of all Mankind.

PERIOD.

 

The "Right Wing" &/or Conservatives respect the individual Liberties of mankind as God intended.

Following God's Law is what's right.

 

Your teams' penchant for whipping humanity into your 'idea' of existential nirvana, whether through

violence (antifa, BLM, Nazi-ism, fascism, socialism, et al), indoctrination through 'education' & 're-education",

brainwashing the weak & disenfranchised, mass marketing of your 'doctrine(s), not to mention your usual

m.o. of LIE-DENY-DEFLECT, is proof positive that mass suffering is ALL your ilk has EVER produced on this Earth.

 

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32 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

You grew up in Italy right? 

INDOCTRINATED 

 

 

As America was founded on the very ESSENCE of freedom and critical thinking an intelligent Patriot has no need to be indoctrinated. It's a matter of CHOICE.  Something a person born in a leftist leaning country would not truly have. To be clear, Italy claims to have it's own conservative party, but everyone knows that Italy is owned and operated by the Mafia. Which is why the Barr/Duram investigation had to go to Italy. The Democratic Socialists Party has been run by the Mafia ever since Woodrow Wilson. 

For me the best way to explain why PATRIOTS of the Constitution cannot be indoctrinated is simply because they've been given a TRUE choice between Right and Left. Conservatives and the Democratic Socialists Party. Having made the choice of Conservatism they respect the choices others make and prefer to live and let live. Liberalism is a belief with roots in Communism the Mafia and Democratic Socialism  (ie. Nazism and Marxism)

Those groups instinctively CRUSH critical thinking and they Abhor Free speech.  Which is why the Democratic Socialists Party always tell us we can't say certain things because someone might be offended.  Thus ending FREE SPEECH. 

You, I,  or Anyone else DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NEVER BE OFFENDED. 

And I meant my initial response that caused you to make the above post was actually in defense of you. 

 

 

 
 
 
 
in·doc·tri·nate
/inˈdäktrəˌnāt/
verb
past tense: indoctrinated; past participle: indoctrinated
  1. teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
    "broadcasting was a vehicle for indoctrinating the masses".
     
     
     
     

 

 

Was born and raised here ...Yes....Where LOTS of People also were born and raised ...And they turned , mind you....Far right. very far right, extremist far right...The same with the leftists...Both parts ( I never denied, nor lied about it) in its ultra-extreme segments fell into Terrorist Groups...Thank God only few or very few of them ( on both parts) while the majority was "normal" and totally law-abiding ( like poor myself) always...Went to lots of rallies and was never arrested and or / or signaled...just like all my Friends...Went to rallies ALWAYS un-armed ( no bats, sticks, chains, knives...nothing at all)

 

 

I also participated in a few rallies in the US...I recall in some of those...People taking pics ( I'd imagine Police or FBI or other Authority)..I even ( involuntarily) was caught in a pic (along with others) which made front-page of the Bloomington,IN Herald-Telephone paper in 1980 or 1981  ( it's been a long-time...can't recall exactly)...

 

Since my voluntary work visa was perfectly regular and legitimate...Police I'm sure had my (rented) home address...After the 4/5 rallies I  went to...Nobody ever came to question me on whatever , nor ask me anything...Ever...Infact I hadn't committed any crime or anythink like that

 

Forgot to tell you this: did middle school and 2 first years of high school ( 5 years in total) in a private school run by priests where professors were priests and lay men /women.....After 5 years I told my parents I wanted to go to public school...As I felt like suffocating literally...As that was not the real world...It was a sort of isolated cloud

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Republicans think they know whats best for America.  Democrats think they know whats best for America.  Both sides are fighting to be in power and do what they think is right.  Both sides have been indoctrinated.  Just ask them.  They will tell you. Each side thinks they are patriots as well.    It's all in the eye of the beholder or accuser I guess.

 

 

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On 10/26/2019 at 4:20 PM, ladyGrace'sDaddy said:

Actually, I've studied his post since he began saying more than usual and I think he's going through a phase of confusion.  He's been indoctrinated his entire life with socialist ideology. But for the last 8 years he's been here reading mostly conservative ideology. I think he's got a decent heart but is in a flux between Right and left. Or should I say , RIGHT AND WRONG. 

 

 

 

Perfect...Thanks

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, cranman said:

Republicans think they know whats best for America.  Democrats think they know whats best for America.  Both sides are fighting to be in power and do what they think is right.  Both sides have been indoctrinated.  Just ask them.  They will tell you. Each side thinks they are patriots as well.    It's all in the eye of the beholder or accuser I guess.

 

 

 

 

Thanks cranman...Appreciate your contribution as usual...

 

Sorry, out of pluses right now....

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre

 

 

This was my University town where I was a Law School student for 2/3 years

 

Would go back and forth to my hometown Trento every week or every 2 weeks

 

Used to wait for the train right there in that waiting room (which just blew up at 10:25 am on August 2nd, 1980)  usually extra-full of People, families, old people, students, workers, etc as Bologna for its geographical position  (north-south /east-west) is the main rail hub in Northern Italy and 2nd biggest in the Country after Rome  ...Close to that waiting room there was also a restaurant / cafe place where I went 100's of times and I got to know the waiters etc...All those People died for the explosion....

 

 

While all stories of the People who died were / are obviously extremely sad...There's one that really squeezed my heart....A Japanese young man had arrived in Italy the same day or maybe the day before as he had a university scholarship for spending  one year or maybe more here...He was heading for another town ( don't recall if it was Florence  or Rome or Naples)...He died along with all the others in the waiting room.....

 

 

His parents got here a few days later  from Japan to collect his remains.....Devastating in the least as every other death was......

 

 

 
 
 
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On 10/27/2019 at 4:35 PM, cranman said:

Republicans think they know whats best for America.  Democrats think they know whats best for America.  Both sides are fighting to be in power and do what they think is right.  Both sides have been indoctrinated.  Just ask them.  They will tell you. Each side thinks they are patriots as well.    It's all in the eye of the beholder or accuser I guess.

 

 

 

It's interesting, as I've noticed a pattern since the rise of Trump...Honest people such as yourself cranman, who generally back Trump, occasionally make brutally truthful statements like yours here that causes the right and left to share blame, and it confuses the right wing masses so much that they completely ignore your comment like it never happened.  It's very telling.

 

GO RV, then BV 

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11 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

It's interesting, as I've noticed a pattern since the rise of Trump...Honest people such as yourself cranman, who generally back Trump, occasionally make brutally truthful statements like yours here that causes the right and left to share blame, and it confuses the right wing masses so much that they completely ignore your comment like it never happened.  It's very telling.

 

GO RV, then BV 

Thank you for the compliment.  I truly believe that people forget the purpose of two party system and that's why they try to demonize each other.  The president is supposed to be a representative of all the people not just one party.  His purpose is to reach across the aisle and try to make compromises for the good of all the people.   Now it's fair to say that when the president is a Republican then the Republican party may get some favoritism and vice versa.   That's human nature I guess.

 

  I couldn't imagine what it would be like if one party ruled and no compromises were made.  I mean, we are seeing a glimpse of it now and it isn't good.  For anyone.

 

Have great night!

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7 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

I certainly would not want to reach across the isle if the other side was attempting to have me thrown out of office. 

Yep.  I hear you there.  It is going to take a lot forgiving and  building of trust for that to happen again.  From both sides!

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22 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

It's interesting, as I've noticed a pattern since the rise of Trump...Honest people such as yourself cranman, who generally back Trump, occasionally make brutally truthful statements like yours here that causes the right and left to share blame, and it confuses the right wing masses so much that they completely ignore your comment like it never happened.  It's very telling.

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

 

That's why I deem cranman a  great human being ...For his capability (unlike most rightwing folks here) to state the brutal truth,no matter party loyalty lines..

 

He's a rightwing Individual who gets all my respect...And someone with whom it is possible to dialogue and reason  ( unlike other rightwing folks)

 

And he doesn't need insulting the other part with hate, rage etc....He's a smart one using sharp reasoning....

 

I can exchange thoughts and opinions with such a person....Willingly so

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1 minute ago, umbertino said:

 

 

That's why I deem cranman a  great human being ...For his capability (unlike most rightwing folks here) to state the brutal truth,no matter party loyalty lines..

 

He's a rightwing Individual who gets all my respect...And someone with whom it is possible to dialogue and reason  ( unlike other rightwing folks)

 

I agree completely, my friend....cranman says it the right way and we could all learn a thing or two from him.

 

GO RV, then BV 

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