bostonangler Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Agriculture commodity groups and some farmers expressed frustration and anger Wednesday with a rule released by the Environmental Protection Agency that they said fails to uphold a promise President Donald Trump made 12 days ago to fulfill the intent of an ethanol law passed by Congress. Since Trump became president, the EPA has given 85 oil refineries exemptions from blending ethanol into the gasoline they sell. That has removed 4 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol from the market, angering farmers who rely on the ethanol industry to buy nearly 40% of the corn crop produced to make the renewable fuel additive. After months of pressure from farmers, trade groups and lawmakers and governors in farm states, Trump on Oct. 4 announced plans to require oil refineries to replace the ethanol gallons lost through the exemptions. Farmers and lawmakers say the EPA had agreed to add waived ethanol back into the fuel supply by calculating the amount waived over a three-year period, which would add about 1.3 billion gallons (2.5 billion imperial gallons) of biofuels back into the nation's fuel supply next year. That would ensure that beginning in 2020 the government would comply with the 15 billion gallon (12.5 billion imperial gallon) standard already required under federal law. The deal would not restore the already lost biofuels, a compromise the industry was willing to make in exchange for an EPA promise to change policy going forward. On Tuesday, the EPA released the draft rule that would use a three-year average of gallons the Energy Department recommended waiving instead of the actual waived amount, increasing biofuels blending by about 770 million gallons (641 million imperial gallons), about half of what the industry expected. "I thought a deal was a deal. When Donald Trump makes a deal isn't it a deal?" said Monte Shaw, executive director of the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association, a trade group for the 43 ethanol plants and 11 biodiesel refineries in Iowa, the nation's largest biofuels producer. The exemptions were designed to ease the burden on small refineries that might not be able to economically blend required ethanol amounts, but the EPA under Trump has allowed exemptions for profitable larger refineries. The exemptions have led to the closing of 20 ethanol plants nationwide, Shaw said. "My personal perspective is that President Trump has lost a lot of support," said Kelly Nieuwenhuis, a farmer in Primghar in northwest Iowa and board president of an idled ethanol plant in Sioux Center. "Pretty much everyone I have talked to that's involved in agriculture and the biofuels industry have really lost trust and are really frustrated." Iowa Corn Growers Association CEO Craig Floss said corn farmers are outraged. A spokesman for the EPA said in response to an email seeking comment that the draft rule "is the text of the agreement negotiated by President Trump, USDA and EPA that was announced on October 4." The EPA will take comments for 30 days, hold a public hearing on Oct. 30, then release a final rule. Shaw said Trump could regain some trust by forcing the EPA to stand by the deal that was made on Oct. 4. "I don't think it's too late to get this back on track and restore some of that confidence," he said. "But if it's finalized as it is it becomes Trump administration policy and the buck stops at the Oval Office." https://news.yahoo.com/farmers-blame-trump-biofuels-rule-190126317.html I see bridges burning to the ground. B/A 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted October 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I don't blame you for negging Trump's betrayal of our famers... Good one. B/A 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I Doubt bridges are burning....I see transition..... Ethanol has been a failed experiment......take corn as an example......as a unit of energy...it takes 1 to create 1....another words no energy net gain......we're just burning up a food source..... Ethanol from sugar cane......1 unit creates 7 units of energy...this is a model that works.... Enter the Farm Bill of 2018 making Hemp legal to grow.....the original Model T was fueled by Hemp.....and the body was made from hemp.... Farmers might make $700 per acre on corn......they can make 10 times that on hemp.....and it's very carbon foot print friendly..... So as I see it......just a transition....and many I know are making that transition right now......CL https://phys.org/news/2010-10-hemp-viable-biodiesel.html 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted October 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: I Doubt bridges are burning....I see transition..... Ethanol has been a failed experiment......take corn as an example......as a unit of energy...it takes 1 to create 1....another words no energy net gain......we're just burning up a food source..... Ethanol from sugar cane......1 unit creates 7 units of energy...this is a model that works.... Enter the Farm Bill of 2018 making Hemp legal to grow.....the original Model T was fueled by Hemp.....and the body was made from hemp.... Farmers might make $700 per acre on corn......they can make 10 times that on hemp.....and it's very carbon foot print friendly..... So as I see it......just a transition....and many I know are making that transition right now......CL https://phys.org/news/2010-10-hemp-viable-biodiesel.html I respectfully disagree... Trump is burning bridges minute by minute. I don't think many will stand with him until the end, which looks like it is approaching faster than anyone could have guessed. B/A 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) Big oil, fossil fuels and the 1800's are driving Trump's energy mindset....he wishes he was John D. Rockefeller. And don't get me started on Donald's tremendous fear of windmill cancer. As always, just my opinion GO RV, then BV Edited October 17, 2019 by Shabibilicious 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said: Big oil, fossil fuels and the 1800's are driving Trump's energy mindset....he wishes he was John D. Rockefeller. And don't get me started on Donald's tremendous fear of windmill cancer. As always, just my opinion GO RV, then BV The 1800's?.....lanterns and woodstove? CL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: The 1800's?.....lanterns and woodstove? CL I know, but blind hatred and rage always leads to confusion. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: The 1800's?.....lanterns and woodstove? CL Nope...a small handful of billionaires running this country...with himself at the tippy top...though his wealth is yet to be determined....Soon. GO RV, then BV 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, ladyGrace'sDaddy said: I know, but blind hatred and rage always leads to confusion. Like disrespecting the recently deceased? GO RV, then BV 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said: Nope...a small handful of billionaires running this country...with himself at the tippy top...though his wealth is yet to be determined....Soon. GO RV, then BV Sooooooooon.......that favorite dinarland/DV word! CL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, coorslite21 said: Sooooooooon.......that favorite dinarland/DV word! CL With Kurds being slaughtered I think "soon" no longer applies with regard to an RV. As always, just my opinion. GO RV, then BV 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said: With Kurds being slaughtered I think "soon" no longer applies with regard to an RV. As always, just my opinion. GO RV, then BV The US MSM is painting that picture .....the slaughter of the Kurds.......the US had less than 1000 troops operating in Syria.....a sovereign country where US troops were not welcomed by a Syrian government recognized as such....by the world...... Russia jumped in immediately.... Add to this the short time frame of this whole event.....yet the MSM tells us thousands have been killed.....hundreds of thousands displaced...... What the MSM is pushing doesn't add up....... As to ISIS.......they got big when Obama pulled out of Iraq......will they get big again?.....perhaps........do they directly affect the US?......not in my world..... Oh.....btw....the Kurds weren't fighting ISIS for US benefit....they were doing it for themselves......the US was helping them.....Things change.........CL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: The US MSM is painting that picture .....the slaughter of the Kurds.......the US had less than 1000 troops operating in Syria.....a sovereign country where US troops were not welcomed by a Syrian government recognized as such....by the world...... Russia jumped in immediately.... Add to this the short time frame of this whole event.....yet the MSM tells us thousands have been killed.....hundreds of thousands displaced...... What the MSM is pushing doesn't add up....... As to ISIS.......they got big when Obama pulled out of Iraq......will they get big again?.....perhaps........do they directly affect the US?......not in my world..... Oh.....btw....the Kurds weren't fighting ISIS for US benefit....they were doing it for themselves......the US was helping them.....Things change.........CL A 354 to 60 vote in the House says otherwise. As always, just my opinion. GO RV, then BV 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chess Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said: With Kurds being slaughtered I think "soon" no longer applies with regard to an RV. As always, just my opinion. GO RV, then BV TOO BAD, BUT YOU ARE VERY CORRECT!! GO RV, THEN SHLITZ, BLACK LABEL, OR OLD MILWAUKEE 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said: A 354 to 60 vote in the House says otherwise. As always, just my opinion. GO RV, then BV Yes.....perhaps those in Congress need to step up....as they are the ones who supposedly approve.... with their vote.....the US getting involved in these "wars".......we've had soldier's being killed, here and there, for 50 years.....and not once has Congress given their stamp of approval.....and now this...........wonder what the vote would be if the wording was changed to say we needed to keep our soldiers in harm's way....? CL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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