Shabibilicious Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 The Cover-Up Betrays Trump’s Guilt The president’s aides were trying to protect him, but in the process made clear they thought his behavior was problematic. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/if-phone-call-was-ok-why-was-it-covered/598966/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo GO RV, then BV 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Shabibilicious said: All fair points. I simply see Trump as being the standard bearer by residing at the top of the political food chain. And I'm not naive enough to believe he is going to change his ways, especially when so many of his supporters (not you) love him for the way he treats others with childish contempt. I believe this kind of behavior will continue to spiral out of control, possibly forever or until the collapse of our Republic, for it has become the norm, not the exception. I dont know what anyone expects a person to do when constantly attacked. I’m not so much a defender of Trump and his predicament as I am a defender of what is right and wrong. No President has had to endure the constant barrage of attacks and harassment from the Media and politicians that should know better. No President has had to endure so many baseless accusations and lies Do you believe Obama could have handled that behavior EVERY DAY without at some point pushing back, HARD? Put yourself in Trump’s shoes for just a few minutes. 1. His first day in office, Resistance, all funded by Liberal groups are marching through the streets smashing windows and burning cars. 2. Within the first few weeks he is finding out about the Russian Collusion story and is being set up by Comey for perjury. 3. His man Flynn is railroaded out of office on threats of going after his family and then he is indicted. 4. Within the first few months Dems are calling for Impeachment. 5. The media shortly after starts banging the table for impeachment. No fairness, no real evidence. Just because they hate him. 6. The Kavanaugh spectacle. That was pure evil unleashed by a mob mentality. “ Get Kavanaugh” no matter what it takes. On and on it goes, unrelenting attacks by the Dems. They gave Trump zero suppory for any of the items on his platform, even the ones that would have helped thousands of Americans, Not Healthcare, not Border Security, not DACA., NOTHING. Stonewalling Dems just kept attacking and voting against every Trump initiative. Once they captured the House the volume of hate and divisiveness was raised to a complete new level of psychopathic behavior. AOC, Omar, Rashida, the new face of the Dem Party. Angry, hateful and Racist people. The thing that burns me up the most is Pelosi allows the lack of decorum and tradition and applauds the Racism, and Hateful Speech without condemning. In the last year we have found out through the Mueller Investigation that their was NO indictable crime. So now we have a whistleblower who heard second hand about a call to the Ukraine President and we have a new rush to impeachment without any cross examination, no trial, no fairness at all. Let the Dems go ahead and vote on their trumped up charges and let’s go to a REAL trial so real attorneys can cross examine the accusers and see if the charges can hold water ACCORDING to the Rule of Law and the Constitution. If it does and Trump is guilty then I say let him suffer his consequences. BUT, BUT, BUT, by God there better be equal application of our Laws when it comes to HRC, Barry, Comey, Mueller, Strzock, McCabe, Orr, Brennan, Clapper and any of the other Coup People. Let them endure the scrutiny that they so eagerly threw at President Trump. To be honest I don’t blame the President for going after any of those people listed above and throw in Biden. To me those people have gotten away with too many crimes to count. To me they are the ones who are trying to destroy any Rule of Law and they are the ones trying to undo our Constitution. I think I’m fair in my assessment of Trump and what I’ve said about any trial conclusions. Can you be as fair if the AG brings indictments on those Coup people, and if found guilty, say Trump is vindicated? 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, Pitcher said: I dont know what anyone expects a person to do when constantly attacked. I’m not so much a defender of Trump and his predicament as I am a defender of what is right and wrong. No President has had to endure the constant barrage of attacks and harassment from the Media and politicians that should know better. No President has had to endure so many baseless accusations and lies Do you believe Obama could have handled that behavior EVERY DAY without at some point pushing back, HARD? Put yourself in Trump’s shoes for just a few minutes. 1. His first day in office, Resistance, all funded by Liberal groups are marching through the streets smashing windows and burning cars. 2. Within the first few weeks he is finding out about the Russian Collusion story and is being set up by Comey for perjury. 3. His man Flynn is railroaded out of office on threats of going after his family and then he is indicted. 4. Within the first few months Dems are calling for Impeachment. 5. The media shortly after starts banging the table for impeachment. No fairness, no real evidence. Just because they hate him. 6. The Kavanaugh spectacle. That was pure evil unleashed by a mob mentality. “ Get Kavanaugh” no matter what it takes. On and on it goes, unrelenting attacks by the Dems. They gave Trump zero suppory for any of the items on his platform, even the ones that would have helped thousands of Americans, Not Healthcare, not Border Security, not DACA., NOTHING. Stonewalling Dems just kept attacking and voting against every Trump initiative. Once they captured the House the volume of hate and divisiveness was raised to a complete new level of psychopathic behavior. AOC, Omar, Rashida, the new face of the Dem Party. Angry, hateful and Racist people. The thing that burns me up the most is Pelosi allows the lack of decorum and tradition and applauds the Racism, and Hateful Speech without condemning. In the last year we have found out through the Mueller Investigation that their was NO indictable crime. So now we have a whistleblower who heard second hand about a call to the Ukraine President and we have a new rush to impeachment without any cross examination, no trial, no fairness at all. Let the Dems go ahead and vote on their trumped up charges and let’s go to a REAL trial so real attorneys can cross examine the accusers and see if the charges can hold water ACCORDING to the Rule of Law and the Constitution. If it does and Trump is guilty then I say let him suffer his consequences. BUT, BUT, BUT, by God there better be equal application of our Laws when it comes to HRC, Barry, Comey, Mueller, Strzock, McCabe, Orr, Brennan, Clapper and any of the other Coup People. Let them endure the scrutiny that they so eagerly threw at President Trump. To be honest I don’t blame the President for going after any of those people listed above and throw in Biden. To me those people have gotten away with too many crimes to count. To me they are the ones who are trying to destroy any Rule of Law and they are the ones trying to undo our Constitution. I think I’m fair in my assessment of Trump and what I’ve said about any trial conclusions. Can you be as fair if the AG brings indictments on those Coup people, and if found guilty, say Trump is vindicated? Trump set the table on the campaign trail, long before his inauguration, and he's continued on that same path, nothing has changed except the lengths to which he will go to maintain Trump, CEO...as opposed to Trump, pOTUS. He reaps what he has personally sown. Short and sweet, succinct and spot on, in my opinion. GO RV, then BV 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Quote I dont know what anyone expects a person to do when constantly attacked. End Quote Great statement , Pitcher....In general I mean....No matter what....As you see I'm not entering details....I just liked your above statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitcher Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 Noted Umbertino and I get where you are coming from. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said: Trump set the table on the campaign trail, long before his inauguration, and he's continued on that same path, nothing has changed except the lengths to which he will go to maintain Trump, CEO...as opposed to Trump, pOTUS. He reaps what he has personally sown. Short and sweet, succinct and spot on, in my opinion. GO RV, then BV You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump.....(of course the US MSM pounds that Drum) It's not as bad in the US as it's made out to be..... Take the lying ficticious media out of the picture and there would be a greater unity within the country... CL 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shabibilicious Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump.....(of course the US MSM pounds that Drum) It's not as bad in the US as it's made out to be..... Take the lying ficticious media out of the picture and there would be a greater unity within the country... CL Then delusional it is. Thanks, CL appreciated. GO RV, then BV 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbertino Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, Pitcher said: Noted Umbertino and I get where you are coming from. Lol....You're one of the smart ones on this Forum......That's for sure.....There are many others of course..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted September 27, 2019 Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said: Then delusional it is. Thanks, CL appreciated. GO RV, then BV Now.....I must add that I was on the phone earlier with a Michigan fan......he mentioned Michigan would score 100 against Rutgers...... I have to say some times I wonder what you UM Alums are smoking.....?? Enjoy your weekend! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump..... I think he is right. I think most of the world thinks he is a ring ding.... Our allies, don't trust him. People who care about the environment don't like him. We know most of the Muslim world isn't on his side... And in America he has never polled out of the 40s for job approval. So I think if a world poll was taken he would be on the low end of the numbers. I would have to say the only delusional people are those who take him at his word. JMHO B/A Edited September 27, 2019 by bostonangler 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Schiff needs to be gone and a Full Blown Investigation started on the Entired DNC and their Leader.....They lie and make up crap as they see fit. and they seem to be getting away with it. Watch Adam Schiff Admit He ‘Made Up’ His Own Trump Transcript! https://kfyi.iheart.com/featured/the-conservative-circus-with-james-t-harris/content/2019-09-26-watch-adam-schiff-admit-he-made-up-his-own-trump-transcript/?fbclid=IwAR2dHWsDuXwbFRFjYQBHBIJDC5okqfATdqqmzk4y8GjBlDSTXOEuVtJIzls Karsten 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 ABC Forced To Issue Correction as Big Ukraine Story Crumbles https://www.westernjournal.com/abc-forced-issue-correction-big-ukraine-story-crumbles/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wcjemail&utm_campaign=CAN&utm_content=2019-09-28 Karsten 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Edward Snowden: Joe Biden Threatened Countries Not To Give Me Asylum https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/09/16/edward_snowden_joe_biden_threatened_countries_not_to_give_me_asylum.html?fbclid=IwAR2pep8kuqtIuwZkJpduGDzFEqWsU8Ej5lAbF1Ma__3VOZDIN7VrdfrtRzw Karsten 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Whoops.....We weren't supposed to know this. Biden's Ukraine Scandal Explained I Glenn Beck Karsten 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, Karsten said: Whoops.....We weren't supposed to know this. Biden's Ukraine Scandal Explained I Glenn Beck Karsten Thanks Karsten, Beck has a really unique way of seeing things. I listen to him every weekday morning. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Karsten 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Click on the link to read the article 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 The "Ukraine Quid Pro Quo Impeachment" Story https://www.mikehuckabee.com/latest-news?id=AF4B0305-8E8A-4A2A-BB56-8817F425D8B2&s=TTS7 Karsten 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coorslite21 Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Karsten said: Whoops.....We weren't supposed to know this. Biden's Ukraine Scandal Explained I Glenn Beck Karsten Let me add to this some.....first remember Beck was 100% opposed to Trump in 2016....so when it comes to this he is not biased towards Trump or the right......Beck actually is a pretty good investigative journalist......he puts the irrefutable facts on the table...and let's you draw your own conclusions..... CL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, coorslite21 said: Let me add to this some.....first remember Beck was 100% opposed to Trump in 2016....so when it comes to this he is not biased towards Trump or the right......Beck actually is a pretty good investigative journalist......he puts the irrefutable facts on the table...and let's you draw your own conclusions..... CL Indict Biden and impeach Trump......I’m good with that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 Just now, caddieman said: Indict Biden and impeach Trump......I’m good with that. Impeach Trump...Why, just because you don't like is not an Impeachable offense. The only thing he has done wrong is Expose the Left for what they have been doing all these years. Karsten 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Karsten said: Impeach Trump...Why, just because you don't like is not an Impeachable offense. The only thing he has done wrong is Expose the Left for what they have been doing all these years. Karsten You can’t ask a foreign gov to investigate a political opponent. And before you start saying it’s fake news, Trump himself said he did just that. That is against the law period. And don’t even get me started on the cover up the White House has been doing. Edited September 28, 2019 by caddieman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarDavo Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Karsten said: Impeach Trump...Why, just because you don't like is not an Impeachable offense. The only thing he has done wrong is Expose the Left for what they have been doing all these years. Karsten The democratic party is giving SNL a run for their money.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new york kevin Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) Auctung !!! BA, you did not even read the memo , schwein. You need to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and remove all doubt. The process , that brought about this "memo" in the first place IS a memorialization of staffers recollection of the conversation POTUS had with the Ukrainian Pres. Thus the disclaimer .Every phone call Trump has with any world leader is listened to by a group of staffers. I personally do not know why they don't just have a computer listen in on the convo and print it out later. Not my system, not my design. Said staffers then get together and write the memorialization of the phone call. Point of Parliamentary Procedure, the whistleblowers complaint is 100% hearsay. It is a memorialization of a conversation they (and their lawyers) had over heard from a friend of a friend of a friend who spoke to someone who allegedly was one of the staffers. You know like "the word on the street is saying ..." . In a court of law, and in a Impeachment Inquiry that was conveined after a House Floor vote to hold one, hearsay is not direct testimony, hearsay is not therefor evidence, hearsay evidence is not admissible in a court of law unless it is a dying declaration.. Nor is hearsay evidence admissible in a Legally Conveined (voted upon) Congressional Inquiry. If the conversation in question was so egregious why did none of the Official Staffers whose job it is to listen into POTUS's phone conversations, why did none of these official staffers meet with Attorneys and draft a Whistleblower Complaint ? Said complaint was from July, almost 3 months ago. Why did it not come out in July or August? If the Dems are not lying, why do they continue to not follow the rule of law? Receive a hearsay complaint, not enough evidence to vote for an inquiry, send it to the IG to investigate . If the IG finds the complaint baseless let it close at that point. Please recall there is the Whistleblowers Complaint (third party hearsay) , and then there is the Transcript that Memorializes the Actual Phone Call, from an official government source. The Dem Socialist Party continues to say "the complaint says yada yada " , the complaint continues to alleg ... yada yada. Then reports a line to be drawn from the official transcript. The Dem Socialist play is to refer to the complaint and to the transcript often enough, to the point that the uninformed will blur the two together. When that occurs they feel they have won, as had occured in the past. All we need to do is compare the complaint to the transcript and decide for ourselves. If you are a real patriot you would hold your judgement till then. https://www.scribd.com/document/427562569/Whistleblower-Complaint-Unclassified#from_embed The WhistleBlower Complaint https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed The Call All this b.s. can negatively effect the USA as a whole. Domestically, Internationally, Security-wise. Lets have a return to a nation of laws and procedures that apply equally to everyone. No longer should there be a set of laws and procedures for The Democrats, Socialist Democrats, and Republicans. For poor or rich. No longer because you successfully impeached one of ours (WJC) we are gonna get one of yours . Leave impeachment for actual high crimes and misdemeanors . Not because this Pres is exposing the lies of the Socialist Dems, and Dem/Rep swamp rats. Edited September 28, 2019 by new york kevin 1 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddieman Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, new york kevin said: Auctung !!! BA, you did not even read the memo , schwein. You need to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and remove all doubt. The process , that brought about this "memo" in the first place IS a memorialization of staffers recollection of the conversation POTUS had with the Ukrainian Pres. Thus the disclaimer .Every phone call Trump has with any world leader is listened to by a group of staffers. I personally do not know why they don't just have a computer listen in on the convo and print it out later. Not my system, not my design. Said staffers then get together and write the memorialization of the phone call. Point of Parliamentary Procedure, the whistleblowers complaint is 100% hearsay. It is a memorialization of a conversation they (and their lawyers) had over heard from a friend of a friend of a friend who spoke to someone who allegedly was one of the staffers. You know like "the word on the street is saying ..." . In a court of law, and in a Impeachment Inquiry that was conveined after a House Floor vote to hold one, hearsay is not direct testimony, hearsay is not therefor evidence, hearsay evidence is not admissible in a court of law unless it is a dying declaration.. Nor is hearsay evidence admissible in a Legally Conveined (voted upon) Congressional Inquiry. If the conversation in question was so egregious why did none of the Official Staffers whose job it is to listen into POTUS's phone conversations, why did none of these official staffers meet with Attorneys and draft a Whistleblower Complaint ? Said complaint was from July, almost 3 months ago. Why did it not come out in July or August? If the Dems are not lying, why do they continue to not follow the rule of law? Receive a hearsay complaint, not enough evidence to vote for an inquiry, send it to the IG to investigate . If the IG finds the complaint baseless let it close at that point. Please recall there is the Whistleblowers Complaint (third party hearsay) , and then there is the Transcript that Memorializes the Actual Phone Call, from an official government source. The Dem Socialist Party continues to say "the complaint says yada yada " , the complaint continues to alleg ... yada yada. Then reports a line to be drawn from the official transcript. The Dem Socialist play is to refer to the complaint and to the transcript often enough, to the point that the uninformed will blur the two together. When that occurs they feel they have won, as had occured in the past. All we need to do is compare the complaint to the transcript and decide for ourselves. If you are a real patriot you would hold your judgement till then. https://www.scribd.com/document/427562569/Whistleblower-Complaint-Unclassified#from_embed The WhistleBlower Complaint https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed The Call All this b.s. can negatively effect the USA as a whole. Domestically, Internationally, Security-wise. Lets have a return to a nation of laws and procedures that apply equally to everyone. No longer should there be a set of laws and procedures for The Democrats, Socialist Democrats, and Republicans. For poor or rich. No longer because you successfully impeached one of ours (WJC) we are gonna get one of yours . Leave impeachment for actual high crimes and misdemeanors . Not because this Pres is exposing the lies of the Socialist Dems, and Dem/Rep swamp rats. Wow I don’t know where to start. Yes it was third party............until......The copy of the staffers notes of the conversation was declassified. And what the whistleblower said was right. No longer third party but fact. And also the whistleblower said the conversations were moved to a different highly classified system to cover them up. Yes again third party........until it was admitted that the transcripts we’re indeed move to the highly classified system. So far this whistleblower is batting a 1000. So it has gone from what yo say as hearsay to fact. And facts will set you free. 2 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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