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The Cover-Up Betrays Trump’s Guilt

The president’s aides were trying to protect him, but in the process made clear they thought his behavior was problematic.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/if-phone-call-was-ok-why-was-it-covered/598966/?utm_medium=offsite&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=yahoo-non-hosted&yptr=yahoo

 

GO RV, then BV

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3 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

All fair points.  I simply see Trump as being the standard bearer by residing at the top of the political food chain.  And I'm not naive enough to believe he is going to change his ways, especially when so many of his supporters (not you) love him for the way he treats others with childish contempt.  I believe this kind of behavior will continue to spiral out of control, possibly forever or until the collapse of our Republic, for it has become the norm, not the exception.

 

 

 

I dont know what anyone expects a person to do when constantly attacked.  I’m not so much a defender of Trump and his predicament as I am a defender of what is right and wrong.  No President has had to endure the constant barrage of attacks and harassment from the Media and politicians that should know better. No President has had to endure so many baseless accusations and lies  Do you believe Obama could have handled that behavior EVERY DAY without at some point pushing back, HARD? Put yourself in Trump’s shoes for just a few minutes.  

 

1. His first day in office, Resistance, all funded by Liberal groups are marching through the streets smashing windows and burning cars.

2. Within the first few weeks he is finding out about the Russian Collusion story and is being set up by Comey for perjury.  

3.  His man Flynn is railroaded out of office on threats of going after his family and then he is indicted.  

4. Within the first few months Dems are calling for Impeachment. 

5.  The media shortly after starts banging the table for impeachment.  No fairness, no real evidence. Just because they hate him. 

6. The Kavanaugh spectacle.  That was pure evil unleashed by a mob mentality.   “ Get Kavanaugh”  no matter what it takes. 

 

On and on it goes, unrelenting attacks by the Dems.  They gave Trump zero suppory for any of the items on his platform, even the ones that would have helped thousands of Americans,  Not Healthcare, not Border Security, not DACA., NOTHING.  Stonewalling Dems just kept attacking and voting against every Trump initiative.  Once they captured the House the volume of hate and divisiveness was raised to a complete new level of psychopathic behavior.   AOC, Omar, Rashida, the new face of the Dem Party.  Angry, hateful and Racist people.  The thing that burns me up the most is Pelosi allows the lack of decorum and tradition and applauds the Racism, and Hateful Speech without condemning.

 

In the last year we have found out through the Mueller Investigation that their was NO indictable crime.  So now we have a whistleblower who heard second hand about a call to the Ukraine President and we have a new rush to impeachment without any cross examination, no trial, no fairness at all.  Let the Dems go ahead and vote on their trumped up charges and let’s go to a REAL trial so real attorneys can cross examine the accusers and see if the charges can hold water ACCORDING to the Rule of Law and the Constitution.  If it does and Trump is guilty then I say let him suffer his consequences.  BUT, BUT, BUT, by God there better be equal application of our Laws when it comes to HRC, Barry, Comey, Mueller, Strzock, McCabe, Orr, Brennan, Clapper and any of the other Coup People. Let them endure the scrutiny that they so eagerly threw at President Trump.  

 

To be honest I don’t blame the President for going after any of those people listed above and throw in Biden.  To me those people have gotten away with too many crimes to count. To me they are the ones who are trying to destroy any Rule of Law and they are the ones trying to undo our Constitution.  

 

I think I’m fair in my assessment of Trump and what I’ve said about any trial conclusions.  Can you be as fair if the AG brings indictments on those Coup people, and if found guilty, say Trump is vindicated?  

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I dont know what anyone expects a person to do when constantly attacked.  I’m not so much a defender of Trump and his predicament as I am a defender of what is right and wrong.  No President has had to endure the constant barrage of attacks and harassment from the Media and politicians that should know better. No President has had to endure so many baseless accusations and lies  Do you believe Obama could have handled that behavior EVERY DAY without at some point pushing back, HARD? Put yourself in Trump’s shoes for just a few minutes.  

 

1. His first day in office, Resistance, all funded by Liberal groups are marching through the streets smashing windows and burning cars.

2. Within the first few weeks he is finding out about the Russian Collusion story and is being set up by Comey for perjury.  

3.  His man Flynn is railroaded out of office on threats of going after his family and then he is indicted.  

4. Within the first few months Dems are calling for Impeachment. 

5.  The media shortly after starts banging the table for impeachment.  No fairness, no real evidence. Just because they hate him. 

6. The Kavanaugh spectacle.  That was pure evil unleashed by a mob mentality.   “ Get Kavanaugh”  no matter what it takes. 

 

On and on it goes, unrelenting attacks by the Dems.  They gave Trump zero suppory for any of the items on his platform, even the ones that would have helped thousands of Americans,  Not Healthcare, not Border Security, not DACA., NOTHING.  Stonewalling Dems just kept attacking and voting against every Trump initiative.  Once they captured the House the volume of hate and divisiveness was raised to a complete new level of psychopathic behavior.   AOC, Omar, Rashida, the new face of the Dem Party.  Angry, hateful and Racist people.  The thing that burns me up the most is Pelosi allows the lack of decorum and tradition and applauds the Racism, and Hateful Speech without condemning.

 

In the last year we have found out through the Mueller Investigation that their was NO indictable crime.  So now we have a whistleblower who heard second hand about a call to the Ukraine President and we have a new rush to impeachment without any cross examination, no trial, no fairness at all.  Let the Dems go ahead and vote on their trumped up charges and let’s go to a REAL trial so real attorneys can cross examine the accusers and see if the charges can hold water ACCORDING to the Rule of Law and the Constitution.  If it does and Trump is guilty then I say let him suffer his consequences.  BUT, BUT, BUT, by God there better be equal application of our Laws when it comes to HRC, Barry, Comey, Mueller, Strzock, McCabe, Orr, Brennan, Clapper and any of the other Coup People. Let them endure the scrutiny that they so eagerly threw at President Trump.  

 

To be honest I don’t blame the President for going after any of those people listed above and throw in Biden.  To me those people have gotten away with too many crimes to count. To me they are the ones who are trying to destroy any Rule of Law and they are the ones trying to undo our Constitution.  

 

I think I’m fair in my assessment of Trump and what I’ve said about any trial conclusions.  Can you be as fair if the AG brings indictments on those Coup people, and if found guilty, say Trump is vindicated?  

 

Trump set the table on the campaign trail, long before his inauguration, and he's continued on that same path, nothing has changed except the lengths to which he will go to maintain Trump, CEO...as opposed to Trump, pOTUS.  He reaps what he has personally sown.  Short and sweet, succinct and spot on, in my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV 

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11 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Trump set the table on the campaign trail, long before his inauguration, and he's continued on that same path, nothing has changed except the lengths to which he will go to maintain Trump, CEO...as opposed to Trump, pOTUS.  He reaps what he has personally sown.  Short and sweet, succinct and spot on, in my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump.....(of course the US MSM pounds that Drum)

 

It's not as bad in the US as it's made out to be.....

 

Take the lying ficticious media out of the picture and there would be a greater unity within the country...

 

CL

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5 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

 

You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump.....(of course the US MSM pounds that Drum)

 

It's not as bad in the US as it's made out to be.....

 

Take the lying ficticious media out of the picture and there would be a greater unity within the country...

 

CL

 

Then delusional it is.  Thanks, CL appreciated.  :peace:

 

GO RV, then BV 

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22 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Then delusional it is.  Thanks, CL appreciated.  :peace:

 

GO RV, then BV 

 

Now.....I must add that I was on the phone earlier with a Michigan fan......he mentioned Michigan would score 100 against Rutgers...... I have to say some times I wonder what  you UM Alums are smoking.....??

Enjoy  your weekend!

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55 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

You are delusional if you believe the majority of the World is against Trump.....

 

I think he is right. I think most of the world thinks he is a ring ding.... Our allies, don't trust him. People who care about the environment don't like him. We know most of the Muslim world isn't on his side... And in America he has never polled out of the 40s for job approval. So I think if a world poll was taken he would be on the low end of the numbers.

I would have to say the only delusional people are those who take him at his word.

JMHO

 

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Schiff needs to be gone and a Full Blown Investigation  started on the Entired DNC and their Leader.....They lie and make up crap as they see fit. and they seem to be getting away with it.

 

Watch Adam Schiff Admit He ‘Made Up’ His Own Trump Transcript!

 

https://kfyi.iheart.com/featured/the-conservative-circus-with-james-t-harris/content/2019-09-26-watch-adam-schiff-admit-he-made-up-his-own-trump-transcript/?fbclid=IwAR2dHWsDuXwbFRFjYQBHBIJDC5okqfATdqqmzk4y8GjBlDSTXOEuVtJIzls

 

Karsten

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2 hours ago, Karsten said:

Whoops.....We weren't supposed to know this.

 

Biden's Ukraine Scandal Explained I Glenn Beck

 

Karsten

Let me add to this some.....first remember Beck was 100% opposed to Trump in 2016....so when it comes to this he is not biased towards Trump or the right......Beck actually is a pretty good investigative journalist......he puts the irrefutable facts on the table...and let's you draw your own conclusions.....    CL

 

 

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27 minutes ago, coorslite21 said:

Let me add to this some.....first remember Beck was 100% opposed to Trump in 2016....so when it comes to this he is not biased towards Trump or the right......Beck actually is a pretty good investigative journalist......he puts the irrefutable facts on the table...and let's you draw your own conclusions.....    CL

 

 

Indict Biden and impeach Trump......I’m good with that.

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5 minutes ago, Karsten said:

 

Impeach Trump...Why, just because you don't like is not an Impeachable offense. The only thing he has done wrong is Expose the Left for what they have been doing all these years.

 

Karsten

You can’t ask a foreign gov to investigate a political opponent. And before you start saying it’s fake news, Trump himself said he did just that. That is against the law period. And don’t even get me started on the cover up the White House has been doing.

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Auctung !!! BA, you did not even read the memo , schwein. You need to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and remove all doubt. The process , that brought about this "memo" in the first place IS a memorialization of staffers recollection of the conversation POTUS had with the Ukrainian Pres. Thus the disclaimer .Every phone call Trump has with any world leader is listened to by a group of staffers. I personally do not know why they don't just have a computer listen in on the convo and print it out  later. Not my system, not my design. Said staffers then get together and write the memorialization of the phone call. Point of Parliamentary Procedure,  the whistleblowers complaint is 100% hearsay. It is a memorialization of a conversation they (and their lawyers) had over heard from a friend of a friend of a friend who spoke to someone who allegedly was one of the staffers. You know like "the word on the street is saying ..." .  In a court of law, and in a Impeachment Inquiry that was conveined after a House Floor  vote to hold one,  hearsay is not direct testimony, hearsay is not therefor evidence, hearsay evidence is not admissible in a court of law unless it is a dying declaration.. Nor is hearsay evidence admissible in a Legally Conveined (voted upon) Congressional Inquiry. If the conversation in question was so egregious why did none of the Official Staffers whose job it is to listen into POTUS's phone conversations, why did none of these official staffers meet with Attorneys and draft a  Whistleblower Complaint ? Said complaint was from July, almost 3 months ago.  Why did it not come out in July or August? If the Dems are not lying, why do they continue to not follow the rule of law? Receive a hearsay complaint, not enough evidence to vote for an inquiry, send it to the IG to investigate . If the IG finds the complaint baseless let it close at that point. 

  Please recall there is the Whistleblowers Complaint (third party hearsay) , and then there is the Transcript that Memorializes the Actual Phone Call, from an official government source. The Dem Socialist Party continues to say "the complaint says yada yada " , the complaint continues to alleg ... yada yada. Then reports a line to be drawn from the official transcript. The Dem Socialist play is to refer to the complaint and to the transcript often enough, to the point that the uninformed will blur the two together. When that occurs they feel they have won, as had occured in the past.  All we need to do is compare the complaint to the transcript and decide for ourselves. If you are a real patriot you would hold your judgement till then.

 

 https://www.scribd.com/document/427562569/Whistleblower-Complaint-Unclassified#from_embed       The WhistleBlower Complaint

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed       The Call

 

All this b.s. can negatively effect the USA as a whole. Domestically, Internationally, Security-wise. Lets have a return to a nation of laws and procedures that apply equally to everyone. No longer should there be a set of laws and procedures for The Democrats, Socialist Democrats, and Republicans. For poor or rich. No longer because you successfully impeached one of ours (WJC) we are gonna get one of yours . Leave impeachment for actual high crimes and misdemeanors . Not because this Pres is exposing the lies of the Socialist Dems, and Dem/Rep swamp rats. 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, new york kevin said:

Auctung !!! BA, you did not even read the memo , schwein. You need to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth and remove all doubt. The process , that brought about this "memo" in the first place IS a memorialization of staffers recollection of the conversation POTUS had with the Ukrainian Pres. Thus the disclaimer .Every phone call Trump has with any world leader is listened to by a group of staffers. I personally do not know why they don't just have a computer listen in on the convo and print it out  later. Not my system, not my design. Said staffers then get together and write the memorialization of the phone call. Point of Parliamentary Procedure,  the whistleblowers complaint is 100% hearsay. It is a memorialization of a conversation they (and their lawyers) had over heard from a friend of a friend of a friend who spoke to someone who allegedly was one of the staffers. You know like "the word on the street is saying ..." .  In a court of law, and in a Impeachment Inquiry that was conveined after a House Floor  vote to hold one,  hearsay is not direct testimony, hearsay is not therefor evidence, hearsay evidence is not admissible in a court of law unless it is a dying declaration.. Nor is hearsay evidence admissible in a Legally Conveined (voted upon) Congressional Inquiry. If the conversation in question was so egregious why did none of the Official Staffers whose job it is to listen into POTUS's phone conversations, why did none of these official staffers meet with Attorneys and draft a  Whistleblower Complaint ? Said complaint was from July, almost 3 months ago.  Why did it not come out in July or August? If the Dems are not lying, why do they continue to not follow the rule of law? Receive a hearsay complaint, not enough evidence to vote for an inquiry, send it to the IG to investigate . If the IG finds the complaint baseless let it close at that point. 

  Please recall there is the Whistleblowers Complaint (third party hearsay) , and then there is the Transcript that Memorializes the Actual Phone Call, from an official government source. The Dem Socialist Party continues to say "the complaint says yada yada " , the complaint continues to alleg ... yada yada. Then reports a line to be drawn from the official transcript. The Dem Socialist play is to refer to the complaint and to the transcript often enough, to the point that the uninformed will blur the two together. When that occurs they feel they have won, as had occured in the past.  All we need to do is compare the complaint to the transcript and decide for ourselves. If you are a real patriot you would hold your judgement till then.

 

 https://www.scribd.com/document/427562569/Whistleblower-Complaint-Unclassified#from_embed       The WhistleBlower Complaint

 

https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript#from_embed       The Call

 

All this b.s. can negatively effect the USA as a whole. Domestically, Internationally, Security-wise. Lets have a return to a nation of laws and procedures that apply equally to everyone. No longer should there be a set of laws and procedures for The Democrats, Socialist Democrats, and Republicans. For poor or rich. No longer because you successfully impeached one of ours (WJC) we are gonna get one of yours . Leave impeachment for actual high crimes and misdemeanors . Not because this Pres is exposing the lies of the Socialist Dems, and Dem/Rep swamp rats. 

 

 

 

 

Wow I don’t know where to start. Yes it was third party............until......The copy of the staffers notes of the conversation was declassified. And what the whistleblower said was right. No longer third party but fact. And also the whistleblower said the conversations were moved to a different highly classified system to cover them up. Yes again third party........until it was admitted that the transcripts we’re indeed move to the highly classified system. So far this whistleblower is batting a 1000. So it has gone from what yo say as hearsay to fact. And facts will set you free.

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