Italy's thread 15 June 2019

[umbertino]

Migrant ship heads for Italy's waters after judge overrules Salvini

 

Spanish humanitarian ship Open Arms has 147 rescued people on board

 

Agence France-Presse

Wed 14 Aug 2019 23.32 BST

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/migrant-ship-heads-for-italys-waters-after-judge-overrules-salvini

 

 

At last!...That was so frickingly immoral, to keep those People ( men, women, pregnant women , children)  miles away from port forbidding them to get in port and dock....In a super-hot weather, with scarce food and water with hygiene issues ( due to few bathrooms onboard) etc....Shame on you, Mr.Salvini...... again......

Edited August 14, 2019 by umbertino

[caz1104]

17 minutes ago, umbertino said:

Migrant ship heads for Italy's waters after judge overrules Salvini

 

Spanish humanitarian ship Open Arms has 147 rescued people on board

 

Agence France-Presse

Wed 14 Aug 2019 23.32 BST

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/migrant-ship-heads-for-italys-waters-after-judge-overrules-salvini

 

 

At last!...That was so frickingly immoral, to keep those People ( men, women, pregnant women , children)  miles away from port forbidding them to get in port and dock....In a super-hot weather, with scarce food and water with hygiene issues ( due to few bathrooms onboard) etc....Shame on you, Mr.Salvini...... again......

CAN WE BUILD A WALKING SKY BRIDGE TO ITALY SO THEY CAN HAVE THE MULTI MULTI MULTI MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS  THAT ARE FLOODING OUR BORDERS....SOUND LIKE IMBERTINO WOULD support THAT....KUDOS UMBERTINO

Edited August 14, 2019 by caz1104

[umbertino]

Migrant ship heads for Italy's waters after judge overrules Salvini

 

Spanish humanitarian ship Open Arms has 147 rescued people on board

 

AFP in Rome

Wed 14 Aug 2019 23.32 BST Last modified on Thu 15 Aug 2019 00.02 BST

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/migrant-ship-heads-for-italys-waters-after-judge-overrules-salvini

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First cracks appear in Matteo Salvini's charge to be Italy's PM

 

Former coalition partner M5S and opposition could unite to scupper far-right leader’s plans

 

Angela Giuffrida in Rome

Wed 14 Aug 2019 17.47 BST

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/14/first-cracks-appear-in-matteo-salvinis-charge-to-be-italys-pm

Edited August 15, 2019 by umbertino

[umbertino]

Parents of American teens accused in Rome police officer stabbing death speak out

 

Thursday, August 1, 2019

 

 

 

https://abc13.com/parents-of-americans-accused-in-rome-police-officer-death-speak-out/5435124/

[Sage449]

Hum, Italy sounds a mess too. I feel terrible for the refugees and understand the country's wishes and ability to feed, clothe etc plus medical and remaining social services needs and country's inability to have funding for it all. 

[umbertino]

12 hours ago, Sage449 said:

Hum, Italy sounds a mess too. I feel terrible for the refugees and understand the country's wishes and ability to feed, clothe etc plus medical and remaining social services needs and country's inability to have funding for it all. 

 

 

It is, Sage....Always been....What can I say? Some courageous politicians tried to make some progresses by changing some laws but that's very difficult as those who used to hold power are not so ready and willing to let go.....

 

 

Thanks for your kind and very humane words toward the refugees.....

 

But let me tell you honestly..... it's not only the lack of funds....they ( PTB) ALWAYS find funds for that they really want......It's the stubborness ( and dark heart, granted he has one) of our minister of the interiors  Matteo Salvini who made this ( war toward immigration) his favorite issue in order to collect votes and the need to blame  someone anyway for whatever supposed fault ....Never before anything like that had happened in this Country...He scares people by stating we're being invaded ( a blatant lie) and stuff like that....One of the results????  Hate crimes in this Country toward those with another skin color  etc.....multiplied,  verbal and physical attacks, most times without a reason...

 

Just a few days ago....An African-born 13 yr old girl adopted by an Italian family was walking in the tourist town where the family was vacationing..... when a group of local people from a car  screamed to her : " Get out , you shxxxy Nxxxxr"....The little girl was scared to death and went home crying desperately......Thank God the incident was only verbal in that case.....

 

That's the climate in this Country right now ...It happens almost every day....A great responsibility is of Mr Salvini who contributed to this hate climate.....I think it's just terrible and horrible...Once ( a couple of years ago) it wasn't that way at all...And a gesture like that would have had People reacting with rage and determination ( against the ones acting that way)...Now People ( most at least) look indifferent.....Extremely sad......

Edited August 16, 2019 by umbertino

[umbertino]

 

I forgot to add that EU of course is supposed to help us with this immigrant issue but they didn't care at all for years and years and that's of course totally wrong ....Lately it would seem the big new bosses ( after the May  elections) in EU are better understanding the problem and realize thay can't leave Italy alone on this vital issue  also because when the migrants arrive to the island of Lampedusa and Sicily  that's not only Italy but those are also the southen borders of Europe  so the most logical thing to do would be to equally distribute migrants among all 27 EU Countries but most of the times they refuse and deem it as a problem involving Italy only , which instead is not....If they keep refusing taking their fair share of migrants I'd say....Cut the EU funds to those Countries....Seems the logical, and just thing to do....JMHO

[umbertino]

Italy's Political crisis

German-style PD-M5S govt accord needed says Delrio

Salvini sorry but damage has been done says Di Maio

 

Redazione ANSA Rome

16 August 201912:21 News

 

 

 

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/08/16/german-style-pd-m5s-govt-accord-needed-says-delrio_00e1bbd7-8623-44df-abaf-e57b7f6a7189.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EU countries offer to take in migrants stranded in Mediterranean

 

Six EU countries have offered to take in some of the 147 migrants stranded on a Spanish rescue ship near the Italian island of Lampedusa

 

AFP

news@thelocal.com

15 August 2019

15:46 CEST+02:00

 

 

"France, Germany, Romania, Portugal, Spain and Luxembourg have told me that they are ready to welcome the migrants," Italian premier Giuseppe Conte said in an open letter addressed to far-right Interior Minister Matteo Salvini who has sought to ban the Spanish charity Proactiva's Open Arms rescue vessel from entering Italian waters.

 

Italy's defence minister on Thursday blocked Salvini's new decree, which came after Salvini signed another one earlier this month, saying it was needed to protect public order.

 

But Proactive appealed to an administrative court which on Wednesday suspended the first decree.

 

Salvini then signed another decree blocking the ship but his power has weakened since he withdrew his support last week from the coalition government between his far-right League party and the anti-establishment Five Star Movement (M5S).

 

On Thursday Defence Minister Elisabetta Trenta, a M5S party member, who must sign off on Salvini's decree, announced that she has decided not to do so.

 

"I took this decision for solid legal reasons, listening to my conscience," Trenta said in a statement.

 

"We must never forget that behind the polemics of the past few days, there are children and young people who suffered violence and abuse of all types. Politics must never lose sight of humanity."

 

The humanitarian rescue ship Open Arms was anchored on Thursday off the Italian island of Lampedusa.

 

The migrants had been plucked from boats in the Mediterranean this month with weather conditions encouraging more departures from Libya.

 

Both Italy and Malta have refused Open Arms permission to dock and unload its passengers.

 

On Wednesday, however, Trenta dispatched two ships to escort the Open Arms out of concern to evacuate the 32 minors after two weeks on board.

 

 

No plan to use force

Proactiva said it was assured that she does not plan to use force against the migrant ship.

 

Meanwhile on Thursday, the Spanish government said it was ready to accept some of the migrants on the Open Arms, on condition that an accord is reached on distributing the migrants between several European countries.

 

"Our country is ready to participate in a balanced distribution of the migrants on the boat," the government said in a statement, adding that it was working with the European Commission and other EU nations "to find a common solution".

 

Spaid had on Tuesday dismissed a request from the ship's captain to take 31 minors off the Open Arms, arguing that he did not have the legal authority to make an asylum request for them.

 

Another rescue ship, the Ocean Viking, operated by SOS Mediterranee and Doctors without Borders (MSF), which is also looking for a port to dock with more than 350 migrants on board, was on Thursday also near the coasts of Lampedusa and Malta.

 

 

https://www.thelocal.it/20190815/six-eu-countries-volunteer-to-take-in-migrants-stranded-in-mediterranean-waters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How an unexpected alliance thwarted Salvini's bid for Italian snap election

 

The spectre of a snap election in Italy appears to have retreated after two former foes teamed up to defeat a far-right no-confidence bid

 

 

AFP/The Local

15 August 2019

12:45 CEST+02:00

 

 

The leader of the anti-migration League, Matteo Salvini, pulled the plug on his coalition with the anti-establishment Five Star Movement (M5S) last week, hoping for a no-confidence vote that would topple the government.

 

But his abandoned partner found an unexpected ally in the opposition Democratic Party (PD).

 

Both M5S and PD on Tuesday voted against Salvini despite his last-minute offer to back a plan to slash the number of the country's lawmakers.

 

Salvini said he would back the reform, one of M5S's key pledges, on condition they supported a no-confidence vote in independent Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's government and hold snap polls.

 

M5S was having none of it. Leader Luigi Di Maio pointed out that Salvini had backed himself into a corner as electoral reform would take at least eight months, during which an election cannot be held.

 

"Salvini is at a dead end, if he wants to reduce the number of lawmakers, he can't vote no-confidence in Conte," Di Maio said late on Tuesday.

 

The day after the failed vote, Salvini said he would try for another no-confidence vote on August 20th, when Conte is to address the Senate. But he made no mention of parliamentary reform.

 

"On August 20th, we will vote no-confidence in the prime minister. No to palace manoeuvres and to technical and bizarre governments. The democratic, transparent, linear path is that of elections," Salvini said on Wednesday.

 

If Salvini backs the parliamentary reform, his support – along with that of former PD premier Matteo Renzi at the other end of the political spectrum – means it will likely be passed by MPs on August 22nd or 23rd.

 

The money saved from having fewer lawmakers, around €50 million ($56 million), should be spent on schools, roads and hospitals, said Di Maio.

 

However the reform must then be put to referendum, which takes at least six months, said experts on Italy's complex parliamentary system, plus another two months is required to draw up a new electoral law, during which time no elections can be held.

 

The broken League-M5S coalition would remain paralyzed and unable to agree on the crucial 2020 budget which must find an extra 23 billion euros or Italy's VAT rate would rise from 22 to 25 percent in January next year.

 

 

M5S and PD alliance?

Renzi has proposed a M5S-PD alliance to pass the budget, despite the virulent exchanges between the two parties after Renzi resigned in December 2016.

Both the PD and M5S remain divided on cooperating with each other.

 

The M5S left wing represented by lower house speaker Roberto Fico is more favourable, while the more right-wing Di Maio faction is more reluctant.

 

"A government limited to the PD and M5S created with the aim of lasting until 2022 is the most realistic scenario, provided they find a coherent basic programme and a minimum of shared vision," Stefano Folli wrote on Wednesday in the left-leaning Repubblica newspaper.

 

Di Maio is instead seeking a reshuffle with more M5S portfolios, and PD parliamentary support, as part of a second Conte government.

 

Nevertheless, nothing is ever certain in Italy's fluid politics, and the League and its potential allies from Silvio Berlusconi's centre-right Forza Italia and Giorgia Meloni's extreme-right Brothers of Italy could garner 50 percent of votes in an election, according to the latest opinion polls.

 

By AFP's  Françoise Kadri

 

 

https://www.thelocal.it/20190815/how-an-unexpected-alliance-thwarted-salvinis-bid-for-a-snap-election-in-italy

[umbertino]

 

I personally have serious doubts there will be an alliance between Partito Democratico and Five Star Movement.....Many differences between the 2 on a lot of issues...

 

BUT....If that's the only way to get rid of the League and Salvini....Then....I will think about it.....

[umbertino]

Family of California teen accused of killing Italian policeman says truth will come out

 

By Associated Press

Aug. 4, 2019

3:19 PM

 

 

Family members of Finnegan Elder embrace as their family attorney Craig Peters, unseen, speaks to members of the media

(Associated Press)

 

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-04/families-of-california-teens-accused-of-killing-italian-cop-says-truth-will-come-out

[Sage449]

Umbertino, very sad. I'm not for being over run with illegals but I am for accepting those that come to the country legally and with due process. No foot dragging etc. However I still am concerned humanitarian wise. But for the grace of God I could be looking for a country. Sorry for Italy too and agree that those in power do get what they ultimately want. 

[umbertino]

6 hours ago, Sage449 said:

Umbertino, very sad. I'm not for being over run with illegals but I am for accepting those that come to the country legally and with due process. No foot dragging etc. However I still am concerned humanitarian wise. But for the grace of God I could be looking for a country. Sorry for Italy too and agree that those in power do get what they ultimately want. 

 

 

Again thanks...As for the ( sensible ) request of coming legally...Italy has cut out practically any way to come here that way by not giving visas....Most of those People escape wars ( so they are entitled to political asylum), droughts, famine, extreme poverty, religious persecutions etc....And when they arrive ( from many African Countries) in Libya, they are put in jails, detention camps, tortured and forced to call families and relatives in order to get money to pay those Libyan jailers / torturers / etc...Add to that that in Libya they had been having a war between factions for 5 / 6 months now and the situation is terrible ( it was already terrible for migrants there even before the war wit the tortures, killings, systematic rapes of all women and girls, the continuous requests for money, etc) ...One of those centers got bombed and a lot of People died.....And our minister of the Interiors Salvini keeps saying Libya is safe and they should all sent back there....He lives in a parallel universe evidently...He is the one who should be sent back to Libya and live in one of those detention centers for a year at least!!!!  He'd maybe learn one thing or two on basic human  rights and how other humans should be treated ....with dignity...Not leaving them on a ship a few yards away from Lampedusa port for more than 16 days now, with only 2(two) bathrooms for more than 130 people....He is indeed a  ...( leave blank)...He is a SHAME for Mankind indeed

Edited August 17, 2019 by umbertino

[umbertino]

 

Even worse than I thought.......Thanks minister Salvini for your humanity!!!!!

 

 

Open Arms migrants go to toilet where they eat -doctor

Spanish NGO appeals for all migrants to land at Lampedusa

 

Redazione ANSA Lampedusa

16 August 201917:38 News

 

 

 

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/08/16/open-arms-migrants-go-to-toilet-where-they-eat-doctor_6496a945-48a4-4943-bf1a-43d2e5aece27.html

 

 

 

[umbertino]

Weekend Wanderlust: The secret valley in South Tyrol that's perfect for summer

 

If you thought South Tyrol was only about ski slopes, think again. Here's how I learned to relax, South Tyrolean style, at a spa hotel in a secluded corner of northern Italy

 

 

Clare Speak

clare.speak@thelocal.com
clarespeak

16 August 2019

17:13 CEST+02:00

 

 

 

A view of the Gsieser Valley from our room at Hotel Quelle. Photo: Clare Speak/The Local

 

 

More pics

 

https://www.thelocal.it/20190816/weekend-wanderlust-why-this-secret-valley-in-south-tyrol-is-perfect-for-summer

 

 

This is just a few miles north from my hometown....It's infact the northern part of my region ( Trentino - Alto Adige (S.Tyrol)) where they speak German and Italian and all signs and writings on shops, road-signs etc. are bi-lingual....The Upper Region's capital is Bolzano ( Bozen in German) a beautiful city...While the capital of the Southern part of the region ( where only Italian is spoken ) is Trento, my hometown

[umbertino]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino-Alto_Adige/Südtirol

[umbertino]

‘Matteo Salvini must be stopped’: Renzi’s back, but can the ex-PM save Italy?

 

As political turmoil grips Rome, the former prime minister tells the Observer of his mission to thwart a far-right takeover

 

Angela Giuffrida

Sat 17 Aug 2019 14.45 BST Last modified on Sat 17 Aug 2019 21.33 BST

 

 

Matteo Renzi at a Democratic party press conference in Rome

Photograph: Roberto Monaldo Lapress/Rex/Shutterstock

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/17/back-me-stop-salvini-renzi-casts-himself-italy-saviour

 

Don't like him much due to his over-inflated ego ( fmr PM of Italy and fmr Dem Party boss, plus fmr Florence mayor and fmr Governor of Tuscany region, all those in diff. times, of course) and him being much more center than real left-wing....

 

But I'd take him  a Billion times over Salvini....No doubts

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Renzi

Edited August 17, 2019 by umbertino

[umbertino]

Salvini wants to lead Italy. He may be about to get the chance

 

A dangerous new phase in Italy’s populist drama is beginning, with the nationalist League set on devouring its coalition partner

 

Sun 18 Aug 2019 15.17 BST Last modified on Sun 18 Aug 2019 15.30 BST

Maurizio Molinari  (editor-in-chief of Italian newspaper La Stampa in Turin)

 

 

 

‘This is about the re-making of Italian populism in the image of aggressive nationalism.’ Left to right, Luigi Di Maio, Giuseppe Conte and Matteo Salvini last October

Photograph: Remo Casilli/Reuters

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/18/matteo-salvini-italy-populist-league-five-star-movement

 

Nooooooooooo!!!!!! 

Please....GOD....BUDDHA....ALLAH.....VISHNU....BRAHMA....SHAKTI.....SHIVA....

 

Don't let it happen!!!!!!

 We don't need another Benito Mussolini!!!!!!

 

 

No Matteo Salvini...No Giorgia Meloni ( another fascist)....Please......

[umbertino]

Italy's Matteo Salvini allows migrant children off rescue ship ( umb's note: and leaving all the others still on ship after almost 3 weeks in terrible conditions........)

More than 100 adults will remain onboard vessel moored for days off Lampedusa island

 

Agence France-Presse

Sun 18 Aug 2019 02.59 BST

 

 

 

The migrant rescue ship Open Arms lies anchored close to the Italian shore in Lampedusa. Twenty-seven children have been allowed to get off but 105 others remain. Photograph: Guglielmo Mangiapane/Reuters

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/italys-matteo-salvini-allows-migrant-children-to-leave-rescue-ship

 

 

Salvini:   Undisputed winner of Inhumanity award 2019...And this guy is minister of Interiors.....He should be put in the condition not to harm nobody anymore......JMVHO

 

God forbid he may become PM of Italy!!!!!!!! The worst nighmare ever..........

Edited August 18, 2019 by umbertino

[umbertino]

 

Pope Compares Salvini’s Rhetoric to Hitler’s

 

by Stephen Wynne  •  ChurchMilitant.com  •  August 12, 2019

 

Slam comes amid surging voter support for Italian populist leader

 

 

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/pope-compares-salvinis-rhetoric-to-hitlers

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alex Zanotelli

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Zanotelli

 

 

 

He recently said...." You can't call yourself Christian and then vote League party

 

Article available only in Italian at the moment

 

Padre Zanotelli: "Non si può essere cristiani e votare Lega"

 

https://www.adnkronos.com/fatti/cronaca/2019/08/19/padre-zanotelli-non-puo-essere-cristiani-votare-lega_PsPCNaM6rxfK0gALjE7tUM.html

[umbertino]

Conditions on Spanish rescue ship ‘Open Arms’ reach crisis level

Four people jumped into the sea and tried to swim to the coast of Italy, which has denied the ship entry even though six EU countries have offered to take in the migrants

 

Lorena Pacho

Miguel González

Lampedusa / Madrid 19 AUG 2019 - 11:52 BST

 

Article from Spanish newspaper "El Pais" English edition

 

 

 

Pics and vid

 

https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/08/19/inenglish/1566201249_809758.html

 

 

[umbertino]

Crunch day for govt crisis as Conte set to address Senate

PM widely expected to go to Mattarella

 

Redazione ANSA Rome

20 August 201911:02 News

 

 

Italy's President Sergio Mattarella, left with PM Giuseppe Conte, right

 

 

 

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/08/20/crunch-day-for-govt-crisis-as-conte-set-to-address-senate_b96d9f7b-af4b-453e-8476-9e0f3c44fddb.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Open Arms situation explosive says prosecutor

Judge Patronaggio flying to Lampedusa to ensure safety of migrants

 

Redazione ANSA Agrigento

20 August 201913:08 News

 

 

 

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/08/20/open-arms-situation-explosive-says-prosecutor_1120b10e-e5a4-4b34-9875-dd5186b72d42.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Birthday wishes to grandpa Mussolini trigger FB block

 

20 August 2019

 

 

http://www.italianinsider.it/?q=node/8428

 

 

Curious....She wants an answer to that....Next week same  thing will happen to a granddaughter of Adolf Hitler wishing happy b-day to sweet Granpa.....Ok....They just don't get it.....

[umbertino]

Conte to quit, slams Salvini as 'opportunist'

League leader unrepentant, says wd do it all again

 

Redazione ANSA Rome

20 August 201916:41 News

 

 

 

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/08/20/conte-to-quit-slams-salvini-as-opportunist_c1207ef3-3ef5-4b41-a687-90a2da831a87.html

 

I watched a part of it until now on TV.....Session is still in progress right now...1st intervention was the one by PM Giuseppe Conte  who is about to resign ( since minister Salvini gave Gov't a vote of lack of confidence)...Infact after all the senators who want to speak will finish  , he then will to Quirinale ( our President headquarters) to give his resignment into the hands of our President of the Republic Sergio Mattarella who has the faculty to either accept said resignation or  refuse it)...Then Salvini talked, then Renzi ( Partito Democratico) and then many others did and will talk until 8:00PM  ( another 3 hrs from now)...All interventions I saw were very passionate

[umbertino]

Italian PM resigns with attack on 'opportunist' Salvini

 

Giuseppe Conte tells Italian Senate that far-right leader has triggered political crisis to serve his own interests

 

Angela Giuffrida in Rome

Tue 20 Aug 2019 15.19 BST

 

 

Italian premier Giuseppe Conte addresses the Senate in Rome, flanked by deputy-premier Matteo Salvini

Photograph: Andreas Solaro/AFP/Getty Images

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/20/italian-pm-expected-resign-giuseppe-conte

 

I only hope we get rid ( politically!) of Salvini...A disgrace to this Country

[umbertino]

NYT: Italy’s Government Collapses, Turning Chaos Into Crisis

By Jason Horowitz

• Aug. 20, 2019Updated 4:11 p.m. ET

 

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/world/europe/italy-pm-giuseppe-conte-resign.html

 

[umbertino]

Italy's Democratic party leader warms to idea of M5S alliance

 

Ex-PM Matteo Renzi’s plan may stave off elections that could lead to fully far-right government

 

Angela Giuffrida in Rome

Wed 21 Aug 2019 15.02 BST

 

 

Nicola Zingaretti had previously said a coalition with the Five Star Movement would be ‘a gift to the dangerous right’.

Photograph: Alberto Pizzoli/AFP/Getty Images

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/21/italy-democratic-party-leader-warms-to-idea-of-m5s-alliance

 

Most important thing is to get rid of Salvini and his party League......