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4 hours ago, Indraman said:

So what is it called when you make a scientific theory, measure data to validate the theory, determine the data contradicts your theory, modify the data to support system" rel="">support the theory, then say your theory is Scientific FACT?  It is called Scientific QUACKERY!!!

 

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So you rather take the word of a crackpot who is the laughing stock of the Scientific field over.......let’s say.....Scientists in the field. This dude is an Electrical Engineer. Really.......lol

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5 hours ago, Indraman said:

So what is it called when you make a scientific theory, measure data to validate the theory, determine the data contradicts your theory, modify the data to support system" rel="">support the theory, then say your theory is Scientific FACT?  It is called Scientific QUACKERY!!!

 

Indy

Thanks Indraman, good video. These quacks will never let it go. We only have 12 years left before the global warming apocalypse. I am almost certain there is a law against publishing fake data. If they are getting government funding, it should cease. If anyone at NASA is involved, they should be fired!

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6 hours ago, Indraman said:

So what is it called when you make a scientific theory, measure data to validate the theory, determine the data contradicts your theory, modify the data to support system" rel="">support the theory, then say your theory is Scientific FACT?  It is called Scientific QUACKERY!!!

 

Indy

The "Tree of Knowledge " is filled with QUACKERY 

 

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7 hours ago, caddieman said:

So you rather take the word of a crackpot who is the laughing stock of the Scientific field over.......let’s say.....Scientists in the field. This dude is an Electrical Engineer. Really.......lol

 

@caddieman

Your Authoritarian Argument has no validity, as you did not address his main premise that the so-called experts have changed their data sets to fit their "Global Warming" theories. If you can't address his claims in any meaningful manner other than saying that he is an Electrical Engineer, please move along put more thought into your replies than what you have shown here.

 

BTW, I have a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering, and anyone who has completed a degree in this field from an accredited university would be smarter than 90% of most of the population in the world. This claim is based upon experience, so take this "Authoritarian Argument" on chew on it for a while.

 

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5 hours ago, Indraman said:

 

@caddieman

Your Authoritarian Argument has no validity, as you did not address his main premise that the so-called experts have changed their data sets to fit their "Global Warming" theories. If you can't address his claims in any meaningful manner other than saying that he is an Electrical Engineer, please move along put more thought into your replies than what you have shown here.

 

BTW, I have a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering, and anyone who has completed a degree in this field from an accredited university would be smarter than 90% of most of the population in the world. This claim is based upon experience, so take this "Authoritarian Argument" on chew on it for a while.

 

Indy

Wow and here I thought Environmental Scientists knew more about the environment than Electrical Engineers. You learn something new every day! Congratulations on your masters in EE. You must be proud to be smarter than 90% of the population. Or us peon’s. But let me ask this. Are you 90% smarter than a guy with a Masters in Environmental Science that is talking about the environment. If so just think what that Environmental Scientist could teach you about Electrical Engineering!

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-planet-s-hottest-five-years-on-record-are-the-last-five-years

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27 minutes ago, caddieman said:

Wow and here I thought Environmental Scientists knew more about the environment than Electrical Engineers. You learn something new every day! Congratulations on your masters in EE. You must be proud to be smarter than 90% of the population. Or us peon’s. But let me ask this. Are you 90% smarter than a guy with a Masters in Environmental Science that is talking about the environment. If so just think what that Environmental Scientist could teach you about Electrical Engineering!

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-planet-s-hottest-five-years-on-record-are-the-last-five-years

 

@caddieman

 

Again you missed the premise of this thread in that reported data sets were modified over time to support a theory that the "Global Warming" scam is FACT. Please address this issue within your next argument, otherwise your argument is sophomoric and useless to furthering the discussion of this thread.

 

My pointing out that an Electrical Engineer can make a scientific judgment on scientific data and analysis is rudimentary. After all, collecting data (temperature data) and the analysis of such data (building models) is basic to any Engineering Degree or program. In my case, I have built complex models to simulate uProcessor performance based upon Cacheing Architectures. This is why people who receive Engineering degrees will often move into other fields outside of their own as these skills are transferable. If you feel the only people who are qualified to make subjective claims on Climate Change are those who have the title of "Environmental Engineer" or "Climate Scientist" behind their name then you truly don't understand this Industry and how it has evolved. After all, Bill Nye The Science Guy has a Mechanical Engineering degree. Do you value his inputs into this field and if so, when did he officially transition from Mechanical Engineer to Climate Scientist?

 

My daughter is finishing up her Junior Year in Chemical Engineering from a NW PAC12 University with an Environmental Engineering emphasis. When she graduates next year will you believe her, because she currently sides with my interpretation and analysis of the Climate Change Industry?

 

In summary, this is the biggest scam perpetuated on the human population and it is "cultish" zombie followers who blindly accept everything spoon fed to them who feed the scam. We should always question Science, especially when questionable and unscientific analysis is used to support and unproven theory.

 

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11 minutes ago, Indraman said:

 

@caddieman

 

Again you missed the premise of this thread in that reported data sets were modified over time to support system" rel="">support a theory that the "Global Warming" scam is FACT. Please address this issue within your next argument, otherwise your argument is sophomoric and useless to furthering the discussion of this thread.

 

My pointing out that an Electrical Engineer can make a scientific judgment on scientific data and analysis is rudimentary. After all, collecting data (temperature data) and the analysis of such data (building models) is basic to any Engineering Degree or program. In my case, I have built complex models to simulate uProcessor performance based upon Cacheing Architectures. This is why people who receive Engineering degrees will often move into other fields outside of their own as these skills are transferable. If you feel the only people who are qualified to make subjective claims on Climate Change are those who have the title of "Environmental Engineer" or "Climate Scientist" behind their name then you truly don't understand this Industry and how it has evolved. After all, Bill Nye The Science Guy has a Mechanical Engineering degree. Do you value his inputs into this field and if so, when did he officially transition from Mechanical Engineer to Climate Scientist?

 

My daughter is finishing up her Junior Year in Chemical Engineering from a NW PAC12 University with an Environmental Engineering emphasis. When she graduates next year will you believe her, because she currently sides with my interpretation and analysis of the Climate Change Industry?

 

In summary, this is the biggest scam perpetuated on the human population and it is "cultish" zombie followers who blindly accept everything spoon fed to them who feed the scam. We should always question Science, especially when questionable and unscientific analysis is used to support system" rel="">support and unproven theory.

 

Indy

18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000. Is that unscientific analysis. No! Why? It’s a fact!

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4 hours ago, caddieman said:

18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000. Is that unscientific analysis. No! Why? It’s a fact!

 

@caddieman,

 

The arrogance of this statement astounds me...what is your source for this so-called FACT?

 

Let's consider the merits of your statement and ask a few basic questions that most logical thinking people might ask.

 

1) When you state 18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000, what is the total time period? We can say that since the invention of the thermometer, we have only been taking accurate readings since the late 19th century, so approximately 150 years. For which years are you referring? It is pretty silly to think that taking measurements for approximately 150 years is any long-term predictor of a system that has been in existence for millions, if not billions of years.

 

2) For your cited data sources, where were the measurements taken? Measurements in metropolitan areas have increased as you have stated, but only like 0.3° over the last 100 years. Measurements in rural areas have shown no statistical increases. How do you explain this if the entire global temperature is increasing? I will argue that measurements taken in urban areas are hotter due to the heat trapping effects of concrete, asphalt, and steel and brick buildings.

 

3) I am assuming your whole basis for stating that temps have increased is to prove that this is a result of Man-made activities. Problem with this theory is that with ice core samples in Antarctica it can be shown that the Earth's temperature were as high as 3° higher in past geological times, and all prior to the Industrial Age. So what caused Global Warming during these past times? Cow flatulence?

 

4) For years (~50 yrs) the so-called Climate Scientists have been creating models, making predictions from these models, and all along have never accurately predicted anything of substance. If so, please provide one Instance where a prediction of greater than 10 years has been accurate. This alone should put into question any future predictions made by these Science QUACKS because their track record is very poor.

 

5) I will argue that the climate models are flawed because they do not consider one of the most important elements in the model-the heating source (the sun). This would be akin to the creation of a model to predict the temperature of a car motor, and not consider the heating impacts of running or not running the engine.

 

6) The Earth's climate patterns are highly influenced by the Earth's electromagnetic waves, which again are influenced by solar activity and mainly solar flares. This is another aspect that is not considered in Climate Models. Sounds like a flaw to me.

 

In summary, do not make the jump that "Man-made" Global Warming is a proven and agreed upon FACT. This is no where a mature science to make this claim with any level of assurance.

 

Indy

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Well I don’t have a masters in Electrical Engineering, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night..:D;)

 

@Indraman very good posts sir. Hit the nail on the head with them. Thanks! Hope your daughter does well. It would be good to have another sensible person out there.

 

@caddieman, It does not take a rocket scientist to see that these global warming morons constantly move the goal posts to try and make points with their failing theory. The earth goes through cycles. It is a living, breathing thing really. I remember 30-40 years ago they were talking about another ice age occurring by this time...well? Oh, that didn’t happen so now we are all going to burn up because of global warming and we only have 10-12 years left. This is utter nonsense. How do you explain the warming on Mars? They say it is on the same line as they earth? Maybe our sun has something to do with it? I have an idea, why don’t we send a bunch of the global warming theorists to mars so they can study it!

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Gentlemen, we know for a fact via collected scientific data that the earth has gone through several ice ages, with the earth cooling drastically and then coming out of that cycle warming considerably. And so it has gone over the millions of years. This occurred LONG BEFORE man walked upright on this planet. Was it the dinosaur FARTS that cause the earth to warm from the ice ages. I think NOT!!! There were no SUVs, fossil fuel burning vehicles, airplanes or cow farts back then. So the whole argument is a SCAM perpetrated by Liberal Socialists/Communist to tax the CRAP out of the wealthiest and greatest country on this planet, the USA!! You have to be the most ignorant, uneducated, and gullible individual to believe the quote "CONSENSUS" scientific data. And there are too many of these individuals walking amongst us today, that are lemmings being lead to slaughter by the Rat party. And they breathe the same air as we do and they Vote. Scary! Science IS NOT consensus, it is theory that is either true by being supported by undeniable data, or false because there is NO data to back up the theory. Most of these FOOLS are incapable of critical thinking, so NO, I don't think I will follow anything they propose. I prefer to examine the data and make my OWN decision.

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22 hours ago, Indraman said:

 

@caddieman,

 

The arrogance of this statement astounds me...what is your source for this so-called FACT?

 

Let's consider the merits of your statement and ask a few basic questions that most logical thinking people might ask.

 

1) When you state 18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000, what is the total time period? We can say that since the invention of the thermometer, we have only been taking accurate readings since the late 19th century, so approximately 150 years. For which years are you referring? It is pretty silly to think that taking measurements for approximately 150 years is any long-term predictor of a system that has been in existence for millions, if not billions of years.

 

2) For your cited data sources, where were the measurements taken? Measurements in metropolitan areas have increased as you have stated, but only like 0.3° over the last 100 years. Measurements in rural areas have shown no statistical increases. How do you explain this if the entire global temperature is increasing? I will argue that measurements taken in urban areas are hotter due to the heat trapping effects of concrete, asphalt, and steel and brick buildings.

 

3) I am assuming your whole basis for stating that temps have increased is to prove that this is a result of Man-made activities. Problem with this theory is that with ice core samples in Antarctica it can be shown that the Earth's temperature were as high as 3° higher in past geological times, and all prior to the Industrial Age. So what caused Global Warming during these past times? Cow flatulence?

 

4) For years (~50 yrs) the so-called Climate Scientists have been creating models, making predictions from these models, and all along have never accurately predicted anything of substance. If so, please provide one Instance where a prediction of greater than 10 years has been accurate. This alone should put into question any future predictions made by these Science QUACKS because their track record is very poor.

 

5) I will argue that the climate models are flawed because they do not consider one of the most important elements in the model-the heating source (the sun). This would be akin to the creation of a model to predict the temperature of a car motor, and not consider the heating impacts of running or not running the engine.

 

6) The Earth's climate patterns are highly influenced by the Earth's electromagnetic waves, which again are influenced by solar activity and mainly solar flares. This is another aspect that is not considered in Climate Models. Sounds like a flaw to me.

 

In summary, do not make the jump that "Man-made" Global Warming is a proven and agreed upon FACT. This is no where a mature science to make this claim with any level of assurance.

 

Indy

 

Five different organizations that track temperatures have all come to this conclusion: 2018 ranked among the five warmest years on record, landing in fourth place.

All of them - NOAA, NASA, Berkeley Earth, the United Kingdom's Hadley Centre and the Japan Meteorological Agency - crunched the numbers using different methods, but they each arrived at the same answer.

Confidence in this ranking is, thus, very high.

The past five years have each now ranked among the five warmest on record. According to NASA, 18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000.

The warming of the planet is unambiguous and irrefutable.

 

 

So is 5 different organizations enough basic logical thinking people for you. And my data comes from NASA, who might, now I’m just guessing at this, have maybe one person or two a little more educated on the subject than you’re crackpot Electrical Engineer you are quoting. 

 

 And to you’re 2 point.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/DecadalTemp

To conduct its analysis, GISS uses publicly available data from 6,300 meteorological stations around the world; ship- and buoy-based observations of sea surface temperature; and Antarctic research station measurements. These three data sets are loaded into a computer analysis program—available for public download from the GISS web site—that calculates trends in temperature anomalies relative to the average temperature for the same month during 1951-1980.

 

 

 

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On 4/30/2019 at 10:47 PM, caddieman said:
 

Five different organizations that track temperatures have all come to this conclusion: 2018 ranked among the five warmest years on record, landing in fourth place.

All of them - NOAA, NASA, Berkeley Earth, the United Kingdom's Hadley Centre and the Japan Meteorological Agency - crunched the numbers using different methods, but they each arrived at the same answer.

Confidence in this ranking is, thus, very high.

The past five years have each now ranked among the five warmest on record. According to NASA, 18 of the 19 warmest years have occurred since 2000.

The warming of the planet is unambiguous and irrefutable.

 

 

So is 5 different organizations enough basic logical thinking people for you. And my data comes from NASA, who might, now I’m just guessing at this, have maybe one person or two a little more educated on the subject than you’re crackpot Electrical Engineer you are quoting. 

 

 And to you’re 2 point.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/DecadalTemp

To conduct its analysis, GISS uses publicly available data from 6,300 meteorological stations around the world; ship- and buoy-based observations of sea surface temperature; and Antarctic research station measurements. These three data sets are loaded into a computer analysis program—available for public download from the GISS web site—that calculates trends in temperature anomalies relative to the average temperature for the same month during 1951-1980.

 

 

 

 

If NOAA can't accurately predict a season, why should you trust them for any greater time prediction?

 

Again, these agencies have been shown throughout history to incorrectly forecast doom-and-gloom predictions for World Climate, and yet the cultish religious followers of Climate Change still believe everything they say.

 

Indy

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16 minutes ago, Indraman said:

Coldest October-April On Record In The USA | Tony Heller

 

 

Indy

When you say its the coldest winter on record are you saying in the past 200 years? Or the last 10 billion years? Point is, our records are very limited. Might I add, fact is golbal cooling and warming is a cycle. The sun and geographical lay out and not man made reasons is the major factor in weather. Thanks again. 

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14 minutes ago, jg1 said:

When you say its the coldest winter on record are you saying in the past 200 years? Or the last 10 billion years? Point is, our records are very limited. Might I add, fact is golbal cooling and warming is a cycle. The sun and geographical lay out and not man made reasons is the major factor in weather. Thanks again. 

 

This video clearly states, since using Man-made temperature readings, which would imply since the end of the 19th century (late 1800's).

 

The only geological temperature measurement tool that I am aware of is through ice core samples. However, this is a methodology that is much more prone to assumptions and extrapolation than pure temperature measeurements.

 

Indy

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