SABOTAGE? Here's the REAL REASONS why Sec Nielsen is out at DHS

[yota691]

 

[coorslite21]

Interesting take.......it starts out with the usual "un-named sources" within the White House that always makes me take pause.......

 

Really all of this problem should be laid on Congress for not having created a better plan for migration.  The laws as they stand are pathetic, yet neither side seems to have any interest in coming up with a workable solution.

 

With the Worlds economies worsening.......South America......think Venezuela and Argentina........there will be greater pressure on the southern US Border in the future......something has to be done........and only Congress can really "fix" the issue.....

 

As to Nielsen being more concerned about the humanitarian issue over that of security.....??

 

Well, if the MSM is going to be broadcasting the overflow of immigrants living under bridges and the kids in what look like dog kennels......then that wouldn't be a good visual for the Trump Camp looking ahead to 2020........so perhaps her approach needed to include the humanitarian aspect as well as National security.........

 

The organizers of these caravans need to be identified and dealt with..........The immigration issue in Europe has led to the decline there..........and that decline will spread to the US if it isn't stopped.........JMO.......CL

 

 

[jaman]

I was listing to glen beck and they found out who was behind this... they just followed the money and found out it was two different groups that do business out of the same Building in Chicago...some open boarders groups 

[bostonangler]

I haven't seen the MSM media saying she thought the president is "unhinged" or "crazy" this guy is just trying to stir the pot. I do agree with CL that Congress needs to do something. As for the caravans, they serve as the perfect boogieman to scare the public. Every failing government needs to scare the public. And don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say Trump is failing I said the government, that includes the democratically led congress...

 

B/A

[md11fr8dawg]

Yes BA, it is the Gov lead by the Rats and some Repubs that are the problem and holding up immigration reform, thus putting our security at risk.

[bostonangler]

Just now, md11fr8dawg said:

Yes BA, it is the Gov lead by the Rats and some Repubs that are the problem and holding up immigration reform, thus putting our security at risk.

 

Yup but you have to understand, if we weren't at risk we wouldn't need them. The only security they are concerned with is JOB security.

 

B/A

[jg1]

The organizers of these caravans need to be identified. Lolololol

We know who they are!😣 Our polititions. 😡😠😖😦😵😤😞😕😲

[md11fr8dawg]

 

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

 

Yup but you have to understand, if we weren't at risk we wouldn't need them. The only security they are concerned with is JOB security.

 

B/A

Right BA, first they create the problem and then tell us we need them to solve the problem they created. This why politicians have lower trust ratings than used car salesmen

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

1 hour ago, jaman said:

I was listing to glen beck and they found out who was behind this... they just followed the money and found out it was two different groups that do business out of the same Building in Chicago...some open boarders groups 

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Got that right, JAM man ! 

 

A "church" no less, 

hiding behind non-tax status and fully funded by the likes of GORGED SOROS & other socialist/kommie agitators.

Also behind the proliferation of "sanctuary" cities/towns/States.

 

We're being taken over the same way China, Hitler & the Soviet kommies pulled it off... it's just taking longer here.

 

We'd damned well better start outing this filth & fight back or the greatest experiment in a free humanity will be

wiped from the face of the Earth by these emissaries of satan.

 

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[Pitcher]

5 hours ago, bostonangler said:

As for the caravans, they serve as the perfect boogieman to scare the public. Every failing government needs to scare the public.

 

It should scare people.  There are millions of Latinos in Central America, Mexico and South America, and millions from Africa, the MIddle East and Asia that want to come to the USA.  If the border isn’t going to be secured and our immigration laws enforced what would keep them from coming here?   NOTHING

 

Come to Houston and I will personally drive you around to show you the impact of unsecured borders. 

[bostonangler]

3 minutes ago, Pitcher said:

 

It should scare people.  There are millions of Latinos in Central America, Mexico and South America, and millions from Africa, the MIddle East and Asia that want to come to the USA.  If the border isn’t going to be secured and our immigration laws enforced what would keep them from coming here?   NOTHING

 

Come to Houston and I will personally drive you around to show you the impact of unsecured borders. 

 

I don't anyone disagrees with secure boarders. And I live in the south so I know about immigrants. But in our area it isn't immigrants who don't work and commit all the crime...

 

B/A

[bostonangler]

3 hours ago, SgtFuryUSCZ said:

We're being taken over the same way China, Hitler & the Soviet kommies pulled it off... it's just taking longer here.

 

Yup taking over from the inside not from outsiders... Just like all those you mentioned. Society is dumbed down, frightened and then need protecting by the government. It is an old formula but it still works... Just tell everyone you can fix everything. Tell them the media is your enemy. Tell them you need more military spending. Tell them you are smarter than everyone else. Create conspiracies and you get people to give up their independent thinking... Yup an old game but a successful one.

 

B/A

[md11fr8dawg]

If you guys read "Rules for Radicals" & the Marx Communist Manifesto, you will see that the first step to control a population is to take control of the health care system of a nation, like Obummer tried to do. That was part of what he meant when he said "fundamentally change the US" and no one in the Lame Stream Media bothered to ask for an explanation of what do you mean by fundamentally change? Also spend the country into deep debt and financial collapse. Check, mission accomplished, except for the collapsed part. So far Trump warded off that threat for the moment. Open borders and unchecked immigration. Check. Borders, language and culture is what EVERY nation needs to survive, grow and prosper. Lose those 3 and you have lost your nation. We are close. Keep letting these uneducated, welfare sucking, disease carrying immigrants unchecked in our country, who WILL NOT assimilate and you have a problem. And then have a political party who does not give a Shiite about their country (only their power) and a media who will carry the water of that same party and you have an immense obstacle you have to deal with. If we can see some perps re-fashioned in orange suits from this new Barr investigation, maybe some of this BS can be curtailed. Let's at least hope so.

 

[Pitcher]

1 hour ago, bostonangler said:

I don't anyone disagrees with secure boarders.

 

Really, I guess you haven’t read or listened to Pelosi, Beto, Karmala, Booker, Warren, AOC, and many more of the other Democratic Party’s politicians and 2020 candidates.  

[coorslite21]

8 hours ago, jaman said:

I was listing to glen beck and they found out who was behind this... they just followed the money and found out it was two different groups that do business out of the same Building in Chicago...some open boarders groups 

Good find Jaman......found the video....CL

 

 

 

 

[jg1]

3 hours ago, md11fr8dawg said:

If you guys read "Rules for Radicals" & the Marx Communist Manifesto, you will see that the first step to control a population is to take control of the health care system of a nation, like Obummer tried to do. That was part of what he meant when he said "fundamentally change the US" and no one in the Lame Stream Media bothered to ask for an explanation of what do you mean by fundamentally change? Also spend the country into deep debt and financial collapse. Check, mission accomplished, except for the collapsed part. So far Trump warded off that threat for the moment. Open borders and unchecked immigration. Check. Borders, language and culture is what EVERY nation needs to survive, grow and prosper. Lose those 3 and you have lost your nation. We are close. Keep letting these uneducated, welfare sucking, disease carrying immigrants unchecked in our country, who WILL NOT assimilate and you have a problem. And then have a political party who does not give a Shiite about their country (only their power) and a media who will carry the water of that same party and you have an immense obstacle you have to deal with. If we can see some perps re-fashioned in orange suits from this new Barr investigation, maybe some of this BS can be curtailed. Let's at least hope so.

 

Also, I remember when he said, redistribute wealth, uhhh ya. Even I know what that means.  

[yota691]

10 hours ago, bostonangler said:

As for the caravans, they serve as the perfect boogieman to scare the public.

Ok so with that being said. Those folks just took a long walk around the block. 

[yota691]

Meet some of these folks in attendance in the walk around the block according to B/A...

ICE Newsroom

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Date

 

Location

 

Topics

04/11/2019

 

ORLANDO, FL

 

OPERATIONAL

 

 

Man sentenced for assaulting CBP officer at Orlando International Airport

A man was sentenced yesterday to seven years and three months in federal prison for forcible assaulting a federal officer causing bodily injury.

04/11/2019

 

WASHINGTON, DC

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

 

ICE issues VOICE Most Wanted fugitives list

ICE announced today the creation of a “VOICE Most Wanted” fugitives list, highlighting fugitives connected to victims and families of victims who have sought help or information from ICE through the Victims Of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office.

04/10/2019

 

ST. PAUL, MN

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Twin Cities-area child sex trafficking sting nets 47 arrests during 'Final Four' weekend

Nearly four dozen people are facing state felony charges after being arrested for attempting to solicit children for sex following a four-day sting operation conducted during the Final Four weekend of the NCAA basketball tournament.

04/09/2019

 

LAREDO, TX

 

NARCOTICS

 

 

Mexican police officer indicted in South Texas with importing methamphetamine

Gabriel Garrido Isaias, 41, from Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, was originally charged by criminal complaint March 15, 2019, and was later remanded to custody. On April 9, a Laredo grand jury returned the two-count indictment charging him with conspiracy to import and importing methamphetamine into the United States. Garrido Isaias is scheduled to be arraigned April 18.

04/09/2019

 

WASHINGTON, DC

 

FINANCIAL CRIMES

 

 

UNIVAR USA Inc. to pay US $62.5 million to resolve allegations that it evaded $36 million in antidumping duties on imported Chinese saccharin

Univar USA Inc. (Univar), a subsidiary of Univar Inc., of Downers Grove, Illinois, has agreed to pay the United States $62.5 million to settle allegations under the customs penalty statute that it was grossly negligent or negligent when it imported 36 shipments of transshipped saccharin between 2007 and 2012.

04/09/2019

 

NEWARK, NJ

 

DOCUMENT AND BENEFIT FRAUD

 

 

Middlesex County, New Jersey, man admits attempting to obtain US citizenship by fraud

Pal Singh, a/k/a “Surinder Singh,” a/k/a “Harpal Singh,” 67, an Indian national, pleaded guilty before U.S. District Court Judge Esther Salas to an information charging him with one count of attempted naturalization fraud.

04/08/2019

 

NEWARK, NJ

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

ICE arrests 123 in New Jersey during nationwide operation targeting aliens with prior arrests or convictions for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs

The individuals arrested throughout New Jersey were nationals of Brazil (3), Costa Rica (3), Dominican Republic (1), Ecuador (16), El Salvador (8), Guatemala (24), Honduras (14), Jamaica (1), Mexico (41), Nicaragua (1), Peru (6), Poland (2), Spain (2), and Trinidad (1).

04/08/2019

 

SPRINGFIELD, MO

 

NARCOTICS

 

 

Missouri man sentenced to 18 years for heroin trafficking

Danny R. Jones, 37, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Roseann Ketchmark to 18 years in federal prison without parole.  On June 27, 2018, he pleaded guilty to possessing heroin with the intent to distribute.

04/08/2019

 

GREAT FALLS, MT

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Montana man, 81, admits possessing child pornography

Lothar Konrad Krauth, 81, from Great Falls, pleaded guilty to receiving child pornography as charged in an indictment. Krauth faces a minimum mandatory five years to 20 years in prison, a $250,000 fine and three years of supervised release.

04/08/2019

 

TUCSON, AZ

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Douglas man sentenced to over 10 years' imprisonment for child pornography, false statements

Uriel Gonzalez-Perez, 32, of Douglas, Ariz., was sentenced on April 4, 2019, by U.S. District Judge James A. Soto for separate offenses to concurrent terms of 120 months’ imprisonment and 46 months’ imprisonment, followed by three years of supervised release.

04/05/2019

 

NEWARK, NJ

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

ICE ERO removes Canadian national with long history of criminal convictions

Sebastian Rosales entered the U.S. as a nonimmigrant visitor in 1988. He was arrested in Florida in 1993 for vehicle theft and burglary and sentenced to a year and a half of probation. It is unknown when he departed the U.S. for Canada.

04/05/2019

 

SPRINGFIELD, MO

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Missouri sex offender sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for latest child pornography convictions

Bill Lawrence Jr., 57, of Branson, Missouri, was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Roseann Ketchmark to 15 years in federal prison without parole; he pleaded guilty to the charges on Aug. 28, 2018.

04/05/2019

 

FLORENCE, AZ

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

 

ICE detainee passes away at the Florence Service Processing Center

Following his release from the Maricopa County Jail on February 26, 2019, Abel Reyes-Clemente, 54, was transferred to ICE custody after serving jail time on a misdemeanor conviction for driving under the influence. Relevant records indicate Mr. Reyes had been repatriated five times, most recently in 2008.

04/05/2019

 

GREENSBORO, NC

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Greensboro daycare employee arrested on child exploitation charges

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Winston-Salem and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation arrested Alyson Brooke Saunders Friday morning. Saunders faces the following state charges: four counts of indecent liberties with a minor, six counts of first-degree sexual exploitation of a minor, two counts of sexual offense with a child by an adult, and two counts of crime against nature.

04/05/2019

 

BOSTON, MA

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

ICE ERO removes gang-affiliated fugitive residing in Connecticut to El Salvador

ERO removed Jose Eduardo Guerrero-Romero from the United States via an ICE Air Operations charter flight and transferred him into the custody of Salvadoran law enforcement authorities upon his arrival.

04/05/2019

 

BOSTON, MA

 

HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATORS

 

 

Rwandan human rights violator convicted on immigration fraud, perjury charges connected with 1994 genocide in case led by ICE HSI Boston, ICE Human Rights Violators and War Crimes Center

Jean Leonard Teganya, 48, was convicted of two counts of immigration fraud and three counts of perjury. U.S. District Court Judge F. Denis Saylor IV scheduled sentencing for July 1, 2019.

04/03/2019

 

ALLEN, TX

 

WORKSITE ENFORCEMENT

 

ICE executes federal criminal search warrant in North Texas

This ongoing investigation began after HSI received multiple tips that the company may have knowingly hired illegal aliens, and that many of the individuals employed at CVE were using fraudulent identification documents.  In January 2019, HSI began an audit of CVE’s I-9 Forms, which confirmed numerous hiring irregularities.

04/03/2019

 

PHILADELPHIA, PA

 

CHILD EXPLOITATION

 

 

Stowe man sentenced to 18 years' imprisonment for child exploitation offenses

Hakeem James Hughes, 30, previously pleaded guilty to using minors to produce child pornography. Hughes coerced and persuaded minors to engage in sexual acts with him, often providing them phones and electronic games in exchange, and video recorded the encounters.

04/03/2019

 

NEW YORK, NY

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

ICE removes 2 Jamaican nationals wanted to face charges in their home country

Dwayne Thomas, 35, is wanted to face murder charges and Mwando Lloyd Pryce, 31, is wanted to face charges of robbery, attempted murder and wounding with intent.

04/03/2019

 

BEAUMONT, TX

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

 

Previously convicted sex offender from Mexico indicted in East Texas for illegally re-entering US

Oscar Rendon-Gonzalez, an illegal alien from Mexico, was indicted April 3 by a federal grand jury charging him with unlawful re-entry of a deported alien.

04/03/2019

 

NEW YORK, NY

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

Salvadoran national faces felony illegal reentry charges

A criminal complaint was Tuesday in federal court in Central Islip charging William Umberto Martinez Chavez, 40, with illegal reentry into the United States. Martinez Chavez was a member of the MS-13 Gang and previously found guilty of manslaughter for a fatal stabbing on Long Island.

04/02/2019

 

NEWARK, NJ

 

ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL

 

Indian national removed from US, wanted in home country for attempted murder and extortion

Ubaidullah Abdulrashid Radiowala, also known as Obed Radiowala, entered the U.S. illegally. ERO Newark arrested Radiowala on Sept. 20, 2017 in Iselin, New Jersey, and he was later ordered removed to India by an immigration judge. The Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) dismissed his appeal. He was held in detention by ERO Newark until his removal on April 1, 2019.

04/02/2019

 

TYLER, TX

 

DOCUMENT AND BENEFIT FRAUD

 

 

Mexican man pleads guilty to making false statement in US passport application

Baltazar Arrieta-Lara, 52, a resident of Rusk County, Texas, pleaded guilty April 2 to making a false statement in a passport application before U.S. Magistrate Judge K. Nicole Mitchell.

04/02/2019

 

LOS ANGELES, CA

 

CYBER CRIMES

 

 

3 Los Angeles residents charged in Darknet drug ring that allegedly shipped methamphetamine to buyers around the world

Three people accused of being part of an international drug trafficking ring are in custody on federal charges alleging they used the Darknet to obtain drugs and offer narcotics for sale, and then shipped pound quantities of methamphetamine to buyers in the Philippines, New Zealand, Poland and other foreign destinations.

[Pitcher]

And that is only a weeks worth of crime. Thanks Yota!!

[bostonangler]

Be afraid. Be very afraid... That's what they want and that's what they are getting from a dumbed down America... Or as rational people like to say... "Facts is facts" I know people don't like facts. But they is what they is.

 

5 facts about crime in the U.S.

By John Gramlich

Donald Trump made fighting crime a central focus of his campaign for president, and he cited it again during his January 2017 inaugural address. His administration has since taken steps intended to address crime in American communities, such as instructing federal prosecutors to pursue the strongest possible charges against criminal suspects. Here are five facts about crime in the United States.

1Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police.

Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2017. Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span. (For both studies, 2017 is the most recent full year of data.) The long-term decline in violent crime hasn’t been uninterrupted, though. The FBI, for instance, reported increases in the violent crime rate between 2004 and 2006 and again between 2014 and 2016.

 

2Property crime has declined significantly over the long term. Like the violent crime rate, the U.S. property crime rate today is far below its peak level. FBI data show that the rate fell by 50% between 1993 and 2017, while BJS reports a decline of 69% during that span. Property crime includes offenses such as burglary, theft and motor vehicle theft, and it is generally far more common than violent crime.

3Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down. In 18 of 22 Gallup surveys since 1993 that have asked about national crime, at least six-in-ten Americans said there was more crime in the U.S. compared with the year before, despite the generally downward trend in national violent and property crime rates during most of that period.

Pew Research Center surveys have found a similar pattern. In a survey in late 2016, 57% of registered voters said crime in the U.S. had gotten worse since 2008, even though FBI and BJS data show that violent and property crime rates declined by double-digit percentages during that span.

While perceptions of rising crime at the national level are common, fewer Americans tend to say crime is up when asked about the local level. In all 21 Gallup surveys that have included the question since 1996, no more than about half of Americans have said crime is up in their area compared with the year before.

4There are large geographic variations in crime rates. The BJS data don’t allow for specific geographic comparisons, but the FBI data show big differences from state to state and city to city. In 2017, there were more than 600 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in Alaska, New Mexico and Tennessee. By contrast, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont had rates below 200 violent crimes per 100,000 residents. And while Chicago has drawn widespread attention for its soaring murder total in recent years, its murder rate in 2017 – 24.1 murders and non-negligent manslaughters per 100,000 residents – was less than half of the rates in St. Louis (66.1 per 100,000) and Baltimore (55.8 per 100,000). The FBI notes that various factors might influence a particular area’s crime rate, including its population density and economic conditions.

5Most crimes are not reported to police, and most reported crimes are not solved. In its annual survey, BJS asks victims of crime whether they reported that crime to police. In 2017, only 45% of violent crimes tracked by BJS were reported to police. And in the much more common category of property crime, only about a third (36%) were reported. There are a variety of reasons crime might not be reported, including a feeling that police “would not or could not do anything to help” or that the crime is “a personal issue or too trivial to report,” according to BJS.

Most of the crimes that are reported to police, meanwhile, are not solved, at least based on an FBI measure known as the “clearance rate.” That’s the share of cases each year that are closed, or “cleared,” through the arrest, charging and referral of a suspect for prosecution (or through “exceptional means,” such as the death of a suspect or a victim’s refusal to cooperate with a prosecution). In 2017, police nationwide cleared 46% of violent crimes that were reported to them. For property crimes, the national clearance rate was 18%.

 

 

This one has some great charts.

https://www.statista.com/topics/1750/violent-crime-in-the-us/

Violent crime in the U.S. - statistics & facts

Violent crime in the United States refers to murder, rape and sexual assault, robbery, and assault. Violent crime in the United States has fallen over the last two decades, however, the number of reported violent crimes has risen slightly in the past few years. Among the various types of violent crime reported in the United State, aggravated assault is the most common. In 2017, the crime rate (the number of reported instances per 100,000 inhabitants) was 248.9 for aggravated assault, making a considerable contribution to the overall violent crime rate of 382.9. It is important to note that violent crime rates may not always be precise as crimes that remain unreported can often skew rates meaning it can generally be assumed that instances of crime are more prevalent than reported crime statistics suggest.

The exact relationship between crime rates and other social phenomena is unclear. For example, no consistent link between crime rates and economic growth has been found. That said, demographic changes and high levels of drug use in the local community are often associated with an increase in crime rates. In contrast, greater accessibility to abortion has been proposed as a reason behind decreasing violent crime rates.

Murder is defined as the intentional act to kill and often includes the intention to cause great bodily harm, as one would realize the possibility of causing fatality. Generally, each state has its own classification for murders, commonly under first- and second-degree murder. The District of Columbia has experienced some of highest rates of murder in the United States with 16.7 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2017. Murder victims are often slain by someone they know, such as a family member, neighbor, or friend. In 2017, the number of offenders who were acquaintances of the victim was double that of those who were a stranger to the victim.

Similarly, in many of the reported forcible rape cases, the victim often knows the offender. Victims of serious violent crime often experience socio-economic problems alongside emotional and physical symptoms such as anxiety, depression, and insomnia. The high number of offenders with relationships to their victims is worrisome given the prevalence of warnings about strangers and the activities of those outside of the common middle-class American household. Unfortunately, a degree of skepticism should be aimed at almost everyone, though blame on outside groups such as immigrants continues to be more politically profitable.

Crimes committed involving guns have also decreased in the United States. However, the number of robberies involving a firearm still accounts for a large proportion of the total figure. Many U.S. citizens are unaware of the drop in violent crimes being associated with a decrease in the accessibility of firearms. Gun ownership in the United States remains the highest in the developed world.

 

 

[bostonangler]

Here is a good one....

 

President Donald Trump said it’s “not true” that immigrants in the U.S. illegally are “safer than the people that live in the country,” providing several crime statistics he claimed represented the “toll of illegal immigration.” Sen. Bernie Sanders made the opposite claim, saying: “I understand that the crime rate among undocumented people is actually lower than the general population.”

Who is right?

There are not readily available nationwide statistics on all crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally. Researchers have provided estimates through statistical modeling or by extrapolating from smaller samples. One such study backs the president’s claim, but several others support Sanders’ statement.

Trump made his claim during a press conference on June 22 with “angel families” whose loved ones were killed by immigrants without legal status. Trump sought to debunk the idea that immigrants who come to the country illegally have lower rates of violent crime than native-born Americans. But he rattled off government statistics on various crimes committed by all immigrants in an attempt to make his point.

Trump, June 22: So here are just a few statistics on the human toll of illegal immigration. According to a 2011 government report, the arrests attached to the criminal alien population included an estimated 25,000 people for homicide, 42,000 for robbery, nearly 70,000 for sex offenses, and nearly 15,000 for kidnapping. In Texas alone, within the last seven years, more than a quarter million criminal aliens have been arrested and charged with over 600,000 criminal offenses. You don’t hear that.

I always hear that, “Oh, no, the population’s safer than the people that live in the country.” You’ve heard that, fellas, right? You’ve heard that. I hear it so much, and I say, “Is that possible?” The answer is it’s not true. You hear it’s like they’re better people than what we have, than our citizens. It’s not true.

Two days after Trump made his remarks, Sanders responded on CNN’s “State of the Union,” saying that the crime rate for those in the country illegally “is actually lower than the general population.”

The issue is ripe for dispute because, as we said, there are not readily available statistics on this issue. The Justice Department keeps data on federal crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally — and an analysis from the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that undocumented immigrants made up a disproportionate share of federal inmates sentenced for nonimmigration crimes in 2016. But the vast majority of crimes (more than 90 percent) are dealt with at the state and local level, where those kinds of data are harder to come by because those jurisdictions rarely record whether prisoners are immigrants in the country illegally.

Trump’s Case

In making his case, Trump did not cite any kind of study that attempts to show whether illegal immigration is associated with more crime. Rather, he provided statistics on the number of crimes committed by all noncitizens, whether they are in the country illegally or legally.

The first set of numbers on homicides, robberies, sex offenses and kidnappings nationwide come from a Government Accountability Office report in 2011 (see Table 2 on page 21) based on FBI arrest histories of all immigrants incarcerated in local jails and state and federal prisons. The figures include arrests of “criminal aliens,” which are all noncitizens, between August 1955 and April 2010, though about 90 percent of the arrests were after 1990. The report does not compare the crime rates of immigrants in the country illegally with those for native-born residents.

The Texas numbers cited by Trump come from the state Department of Public Safety, and Trump has inaccurately cited the state’s figures before. They, too, are for arrests for all noncitizens, even though the state does give some figures for arrests of those identified as being in the country illegally. Still, the state agency acknowledges that its figures “do not attempt to allege that foreign nationals in the country illegally commit more crimes than other groups.”

Research Showing Lower Crime Rates

Alex Nowrasteh, with the libertarian Cato Institute, analyzed the Texas data to make a comparison of immigrants in the country illegally and native-born residents. In a recent post he noted that in 2015 Texas police made 815,689 arrests of native-born Americans, 37,776 arrests of immigrants in the country illegally and 20,323 arrests of legal immigrants. Given the relative populations for each group, he wrote, “The arrest rate for illegal immigrants was 40 percent below that of native-born Americans.”

In addition, he wrote, the homicide arrest rate for native-born Americans was “about 46 percent higher than the illegal immigrant homicide arrest rate.”

Other research from the Cato Institute attempted to provide national estimates. A study published on June 4 used data from the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey for 2016 and applied statistical modeling to estimate the number of incarcerated immigrants in the country illegally. It filtered the data using characteristics correlated with being an immigrant in the country illegally, such as whether someone is a noncitizen but has not served in the military or received Social Security income. The research concluded: “Illegal immigrants are 47 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives.” (And legal immigrants are even less likely to be in jail or prison.)

Cato, June 4: If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 930,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. Conversely, if natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.5 million fewer natives would be in adult correctional facilities.

Another study, “Does Undocumented Immigration Increase Violent Crime?,” which was published in the journal Criminology in March, looked at the influx of undocumented immigrants into communities in recent decades and concluded, “Increased concentrations of undocumented immigrants are associated with statistically significant decreases in violent crime.”

One of the study’s authors, Michael Light, a professor of sociology and Chicano/Latino studies at the University of Wisconsin, told us via email that the president is conflating two different issues and misusing statistics.

“The claim that immigrants are less crime prone refers exactly to the type of findings [from his study and the one from Cato]: that the rate of crime within the immigrant community is lower than the rate of crime among U.S. citizens. OR, that communities with high levels of immigrants tend to have lower crime rates than communities with fewer immigrants,” Light said. “And those statements are not contradicted by stating the number of offenses committed by immigrants (as the President did).”

“Imagine I were to claim that women are less violent than men, which is as close to a social fact that we have in criminology,” Light said. “And one were to reply saying that this isn’t true because in 2015 over 78,000 women were arrested for violent crimes, and nearly 1,000 were arrested for homicide. Those statistics in no way contradict the original statement that men tend to be more violent.”

Research published in Social Science Quarterly in 2016 looked at rates of violent crime and drug arrests by state for 2012 to 2014 and compared them with statistics on the foreign‐born and Mexican nationals living in the United States, as well as estimates of the undocumented foreign and undocumented Mexican population by state. The study found no association between immigrant population size and increased violent crime, though it found a “small but significant association between undocumented immigrant populations and drug-related arrests.”

Interestingly, a Pew Research Center report in 2013 found that crime rates rise among second-generation immigrants, more closely mirroring the rates of other native-born residents. Some researchers say this is a result of assimilation and simply “catching-up” to their peers.

Numerous other studies have found that immigrants overall — including those with legal status — do not commit crimes at a higher rate than non-immigrants, and that higher concentrations of immigrants do not lead to higher rates of violent crime. A recap of the literature on this topic can be found here. But those studies don’t look specifically at illegal immigration.

Conflicting Research

There is, however, one study that backs the president’s claim. John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, looked at data on prisoners in Arizona state prison between the beginning of 1985 and June 2017 and concluded that “undocumented immigrants are at least 146% more likely to be convicted of crime than other Arizonans.” They also tend to commit more serious crimes, and have significantly higher rates for such crimes as murder, manslaughter, sexual assault and armed robbery, Lott concluded, and are more likely to be gang members. Conversely, Lott found that legal immigrants “were extremely law-abiding,” committing crimes at a lower rate than native-born residents.

Although Lott says his study is unique because “for the first time” he was able to differentiate between immigrants in the country legally and illegally, that claim was contested by Nowrasteh of the Cato Institute. Nowrasteh argues Lott’s study contains a “fatal flaw” in its assumption that it was able to “identify illegal immigrants” from the data. The Washington Post Fact Checker did a deep dive on the arguments and counterarguments about the validity of the study.

“The overall picture of immigrants and crime remains confused due to a lack of good data and contrary information,” Steven Camarota and Jessica Vaughan of the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates low immigration, wrote in 2009.

Camarota told us it is somewhat irrelevant whether immigrants in the country illegally commit crimes at a slightly higher or lower rate than native-born Americans.

“Does releasing illegal immigrants allow them to commit crimes they otherwise would not have committed, yes it does,” Camarota told us in an email. “Do the crimes committed by released illegal immigrants number in the thousands, yes they do.”

But we are looking at a claim from Trump about the comparison of crime rates of immigrants in the country illegally and native-born residents.

“If you are asking if illegals commit crimes out of their proportion of the population as I said maybe, maybe not,” Camarota said. “Data is limited and it depends on who you compare them to.”

As we said, there aren’t readily available nationwide crime statistics broken down by immigration status. But the available research that estimates the relationship between illegal immigration and crime generally shows an association with lower crime rates. The impetus is on the president to provide evidence of his claim, and Trump instead simply cited statistics on violent crime committed by all noncitizens without attempting to compare those figures to crimes committed by native-born residents.

[cranman]

The long and short of it is that people are entering the country illegally.  They are not getting into the system to take the proper steps to become citizens.  They are not getting a physical checkup to determine if they are bringing in a disease that needs to be treated first.  They are not paying taxes to help pay the infrastructure and services that they  are using.  They are a financial burden to the school systems and the healthcare industry as often time they don't pay their fair share. 

 

The processing for those legally seeking asylum needs to be overhauled and become more efficient so that the wait isn't so long and the backlog is reduced.

 

I do feel that that those who enter the country that are affiliated with gangs are very dangerous and spread like a cancer.  But at the end of the day there are very dangerous people here that are either natural citizens or or legal immigrants.  Being an illegal immigrant doesn't automatically make you dangerous.  It just makes you being here illegal. 

[bostonangler]

On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 9:04 AM, cranman said:

The long and short of it is that people are entering the country illegally.  They are not getting into the system to take the proper steps to become citizens.  They are not getting a physical checkup to determine if they are bringing in a disease that needs to be treated first.  They are not paying taxes to help pay the infrastructure and services that they  are using.  They are a financial burden to the school systems and the healthcare industry as often time they don't pay their fair share. 

 

The processing for those legally seeking asylum needs to be overhauled and become more efficient so that the wait isn't so long and the backlog is reduced.

 

I do feel that that those who enter the country that are affiliated with gangs are very dangerous and spread like a cancer.  But at the end of the day there are very dangerous people here that are either natural citizens or or legal immigrants.  Being an illegal immigrant doesn't automatically make you dangerous.  It just makes you being here illegal. 

 

Thanks cranman you made some great points. And if I may... Let's not forget those who hire them. Most people come here for the hope of a better life. Look around. Who's landscaping? Who's roofing? A better question, who's paying them? Those are the people who need to be held accountable. All the people here who are crying about illegals have yet to mention that our president's companies and golf courses are hiring them... Where is the outcry for the crimes and lack of punishment?

 

B/A

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Yup... they come "to work".... Chi-Com agents to chauffer Nancy Pelosi around...

invade our factories & plants to steal technology & industrial secrets....

 

Illegals who are granted "work Visas", over-stay them,

never report to Judicial /Immigration Authorities and

scream bloody murder when rounded up for Deportation.

 

MS-13 members who "work" hard at drug trafficking, murder, slaughter & mayhem....

 

Diseased & insane who "work" hard at making Americans sick & dead as well as choking our

Medical Institutions and contributing to the high cost of OUR health care so THEY can be treated for FREE.

 

Thousands of illegal children "working" hard at taking up space in our schools and

demanding we forsake our OWN language & culture to accommodate them - AT OUR COST.

 

Chi-Coms & illegal "children" taking up space in our Colleges & Universities --

slots that by rights should go to our American kids....

Starting with our AMERICAN Gold Star kids who have recently been pushed aside in favour of ILLEGALS.

Thanks, New York.

 

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[cranman]

I agree.   Economic greed is a big factor.  Those who hire them are definitely in the wrong and should be punished either financially, jail time or both.  They are part of the problem. 

 

There are many areas of deficiencies that need to be addressed.