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Kaparoni & Sam I Am One On One Discussion
.. Chat Thursday Evening  2-21-19   Part 1 of 2
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blackgold   kip Many people are having trouble making ends meet, don't single out one group, because you could end up in that group in the blink of an eye. I know many well off people who are there for whatever reason, it only takes one mess up. Pray you never see it
 
Dinarbeleiver   blackgold Thanks black gold love your contributions your a very knowledgeable person followed your comments on recaps before taking the plunge and joining
  
Zig   Everyone is welcome here....nobody will gang up on any poster.....if you do not like what someone posts either discuss it or ignore it.....discuss it in a civil way......
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Zig   FYI: The only reason I have been at Dinar Daily was to promote this chat room....yes, I commented about Ray and Tony in the forum there.....lol.....had some fun with it.....have only invited people like Kaperoni and Sam to spark some discussions......not to start trouble.....
 
always good to debate.....IMO.....unfortunately some of you can't discuss anything with people with whom you strongly disagree without resorting to name-calling......that is why I have come back......
 
Zig   We hope to now attract some new participants....we shall see.....remember that all opinions are welcome here.....even unpopular ones.....chill out......lol
 
Zig   This room was never intended to be just for LIKE-MINDED people....
Zig   For the record: I HAVE NOT SOLD MY DINAR!!!!......LOL
 
Dinarbeleiver   Zig No matter what don’t sell your Dinar if you can
 
Zig   ONE MORE THING: LOL.....I am not in anyone's CAMP.....I have invited many "well-known" people to come here and chat.....It just so happens that Kaperoni and Sam are the only ones who have visited more than once......
 
Zig   I have never understood why anyone's views would upset some people so much.....in any venture/investment you will get all kinds of opinions.....good/bad/indifferent...............
Dinarbeleiver   Does anyone know about Q anon. Is all that stuff true ?
 
Dinarbeleiver   TWWIII I started hearing about it recently - seems trump has some secret people on his side which he needs against the deep state- do you think it’s comspiracy or true
 
RuthieonIce   Dinarbeleiver, (hope I didn't post this twice) check out qmap.pub for all q related info. Lots of good stuff on youtube also. Q is about to go mainstream

 

Dave   Zig rumor had it that sam convinced you to sell out/
 
Zig   Dave : LOL......NOT TRUE!
 
Zig   Sam is as welcome as anyone else to post here.....that is the way it is going to be......anyone who can't live with that is free to leave............

 

Sam I Am   **** I'm ready for the redenomination
Sam I Am   the sooner the better IMO

Kaperoni   Zig man
Kaperoni   Sam
 
Sam I Am   Afternoon Kap
 
Baxter   Kap.. I have a question for you
 
Zig   Kaperoni : Hi.....long time
 
Kaperoni   ok Baxter
 
Baxter   Has Iraq ever been in Article 8
 
Zig   Sam and Kap: how about a little debate between you two???
 
Sam I Am   okay
Sam I Am   about that float theory
Sam I Am   they're already on a float
  
Kaperoni   hmmm. All I know is Iraq has been in a state of conflict since the 80s. Dont know difinitively if they have or not.
 
Baxter   Ok.. thx Kap
 
Zig   Please allow Sam and Kap to chat.....TY
 
Kaperoni   lmbo
Kaperoni   Sam will never accept the words of the IMF
 
Kaperoni   He prefers his own views
 
****   Kaperoni whew --- exactly
 
Zig    **** : Okay
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni The IMF has stated that the CBI's policy is exchange rate stability ... do you believe that?
 
Kaperoni   Baxter, to expand on your Article VIII question, the IMF is very clear on member acceptance into Article VIII and that once your in, you cannot go back to Article XIV. So that may tell us something.
 
Tebow   The Iraqi dinar will revalue to $3.86 in the near future.
 
Kaperon   iSam to meet compliance yes.
 
Sam I Am   They've said that since 2012 and the rate has in fact been quite stable
 
Sam I Am   Much to the consternation of dinarians
 
Dave   Will we ever see Fils?
 
Kaperoni   um, well it was stable for a year under Shabibi 2011-2012 think 11 or so months

 

Kaperoni   they with different governors since it was a mess
Kaperoni   only since march 2018 was it stable again
 
Sam I Am   The rate was 1170:1 on Jan. 1, 2009 and it's 1190:1 today
 
Kaperoni   and 90 days later in compliance
Kaperoni   they are not talking about the CBI rate., they are talking about the Market Rate
 
Sam I Am   Well they have stated that they want to keep the market rate near the CBI rate
Sam I Am   at any rate...
Sam I Am   Their policy is stability and stability is what we see
 
I Am   Not that there have been no changes, but no substantial changes like we saw from 2006-2009
 
Kaperoni   stability of the market rate effects duel currency practice or the price of goods
 
Sam I Am   so yes, I do pay attention to what the IMF says
 
Kaperoni   Well if your going to pay attention to the IMF you cannot exclude the plan documented in the 2012 Article IV
 
Sam I Am   Does that plan say anything about removing them from a peg and allowing the IQD to free float?
 
Kaperoni   and of course most know about the 2% spread as this is referred to
Kaperoni   well...let me get the quote...

Zig   The bottom line is that Kaperoni thinks we will profit from this "eventually" albeit slowly, while Sam thinks we never will........
 
Sam I Am   pretty much, Z
Sam I Am   and for the record I never called Kap a scammer
 
Kaperoni   "...staff encouraged the authorities to consider creating the conditions which would make possible a move to a more flexible exchange rate policy."
 
Sam I Am   we disagree for sure, but for the most part our relationship has been amicable
 
Kaperoni   "Such flexibility could allow a predictable and gradual appreciation of the nominal exchange rate,..."
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni more flexible doesn't mean "free float"
 
Kaperoni   They are talking about "floating" no other term would describe such an event
 
Sam I Am   It means a willingness to change the rate more frequently
Sam I Am   Vietnam does this with the dong   and it's losing value
Sam I Am   pegged currencies can be flexible
 
Sam I Am   it depends on the willingness of the central bank to be more active in revaluing or devaluing the currency

 

Kaperoni   If you read about transitions, the CBI needs a plan to counter inflationary pressure created by what Iraq expects is an influx of investment. And I think we can all agree Iraq needs "billions" to rebuild.
 
Sam I Am   but as long as the rate changes by decree of the central bank rather than market forces it's not a free float
 
Kaperoni   Staying pegged in not an option
Kaperoni   To continue with the IMF....
 
Sam I Am   I disagree .... a free float isn't an option as long as 90% of their revenues are oil related

Sam I Am   All of the countries in that region have pegged currencies by necessity
 
Kaperoni   "..triggered by strong oil revenues and the Balassa-Samuelson effect, to accommodate a possible real exchange rate appreciation while keeping domestic inflation low.”

Kaperoni   They specifically state in that sentence the purpose of allowing the float...
 
Tebow   Dave they must have fils when they RV, to make change just like here
 
Kaperon   i...to accommodate a possible real exchange rate appreciation while keeping domestic inflation low.”
 
Sam I Am   exchange rate appreciation doesn't mean value appreciation .. quite the opposite

Sam I Am   the higher the exchange rate the lower the value
 
Sam I Am   they could be saying that Iraq should follow the Vietnam model to lower the value in order to attract buyers for their exports
 
Kaperoni   In other word to counter the pressure created by an influx of investment through the Capital

Kaperoni   Account
Kaperoni   they will never lower the value

 

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Part 2

 

 

Sam I Am   Kaperoni they just did last year
Sam I Am   and they did in 2015
Sam I Am   They went from 1166:1 to 1184: and now to 1190:1
Sam I Am   My guess is that it will go to 1120:1 this year
 
Kaperoni   the IMF already stated the purpose of the recent rate in 2015/2016 that it was monitoring purposes during the SBA to watch compliance
 
Sam I Am   oops ... I meant 1200:1
 ...

 

Kaperoni   They will never LOP
 
Young SC   Sam thinks they will
 
Kaperoni   Iraq has had an excellent monetary policy since 2003 despite difficult times
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni I suspect that they will never lop, because they don't want to be on the hook for all the trillions of dinar they exported
 
Sam I Am   but they definitely described a lop in their delete the zeros plan
 
Kaperoni  wait! what? Sam just said they will never LOP
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni I suspect that they won't
JoeSchmoe  Didn't Sam ALWAYS say they would LOP? Now a change in tune?
 
Sam I Am   I've never said that they are going to lop. I've always said that a lop was the stated plan
 
Kaperoni   Sam and I do agree though that the Gurus are full of it
 
Sam I Am   true dat
 
Kaperoni   and the stories from them are harmful
Kaperoni   we both hated that BS
 
Kaperoni   Seem that way Joe
 
Sam I Am   kap, what was our bet?
Zig   Trying to keep the convo between you two
 
Sam I Am   I forget
mod   Zig THANKS!!!!!
 
Kaperoni   WE may find out that the talk (if you believe that the CBI was saying that) of a LOP was just to curb speculation
 
Zig   Knock it off or yoiu will be gone

Kaperoni   Sam ur sending me a pizza
 
Sam I Am   could be, but the way gurus interpreted it defeated the purpose if they did
mod   Cleaning house That Zig Go Zig
 
Young SC   I disagree with both Kap and Sam
 
Sam I Am   I will send you a pizza if ????

 

Kaperoni   They will never LOP
 
Young SC   Sam thinks they will
 
Kaperoni   Iraq has had an excellent monetary policy since 2003 despite difficult times
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni I suspect that they will never lop, because they don't want to be on the hook for all the trillions of dinar they exported
 
Sam I Am   but they definitely described a lop in their delete the zeros plan
 
Kaperoni  wait! what? Sam just said they will never LOP
 
Sam I Am   Kaperoni I suspect that they won't
JoeSchmoe  Didn't Sam ALWAYS say they would LOP? Now a change in tune?
 
Sam I Am   I've never said that they are going to lop. I've always said that a lop was the stated plan
 
Kaperoni   Sam and I do agree though that the Gurus are full of it
 
Sam I Am   true dat
 
Kaperoni   and the stories from them are harmful
Kaperoni   we both hated that BS
 
Kaperoni   Seem that way Joe
 
Sam I Am   kap, what was our bet?
Zig   Trying to keep the convo between you two
 
Sam I Am   I forget
mod   Zig THANKS!!!!!
 
Kaperoni   WE may find out that the talk (if you believe that the CBI was saying that) of a LOP was just to curb speculation
 
Zig   Knock it off or yoiu will be gone

Kaperoni   Sam ur sending me a pizza
 
Sam I Am   could be, but the way gurus interpreted it defeated the purpose if they did
mod   Cleaning house That Zig Go Zig
 
Young SC   I disagree with both Kap and Sam
 
Sam I Am   I will send you a pizza if ????

 

Kaperoni   Whether or not the Dinar ever floats or not is yet to be seen, but it was going to float in 2012.
 
Sam I Am   it was also going to RV
Sam I Am   and RI
Sam I Am   LOL
 
Kaperoni   lmbo
 
Sam I Am   depends on who you listen to
 
Kaperoni   i guess and that is why I do not talk about that.
 
Sam I Am   okay, it's been fun but I gotta run
Sam I Am   take care Kap
 
Sam I Am   later guys
 
Kaperoni   Ok Sam
Kaperoni   We learned something today
Kaperoni   Bye Sam
 
blackgold   WHO ARE THE REAL CRIMINALS? 50 TRILLION IN GOLD STOLEN FROM IRAQ…
 
Kaperoni   Sam is no longer a LOPPER
 
Kaperoni   lmbo
Laura   "Maybe you should eat some makeup so you can be pretty on the inside too."
 
blackgold   people talk about oil and no one talks about 90 plus tons of gold Iraq has
 
Kaperoni   I wish I could eat pizza but my heart says no
 
blackgold   iraq has Rare Earth, no one figures that in
 
Zig   I will not be back for the long term.....just trying to change things a bit.....
 
blackgold   wheat
 
Kaperoni   I will just add, I think every person is going to very confused once the dinar does begin to rise as to what to do. The Guru nonsense of running to a bank won't happpen
 
blackgold   and many other grains
blackgold   Oh well
 
Kaperoni   Zig how you doing?
 
JoeSchmoe   Kaperoni how long do you see it taking to get to an exchangable rate?
 
Laura   Zimbabwe was expected to announce their new (gold/asset-backed) currency very soon. This would set an example for the rest of the world to follow, thus bringing in the QFS.
 
Kaperoni   Joe that is directly related to how fast investment comes into Iraq
 
JoeSchmoe   Kaperoni care to guestimate?
 
JoeSchmoe   iyo

 

Zig   Kaperoni : Fine thanks.....kind of pissed at some people here......some will not be here much longer
 
Kaperoni   I have state it could be 6 months to 2 years so that is my guess. lol
 
Kaperoni   People need to understand that a float is not a random act. It is specifically to counter inflationary pressure created by a large influx of capital (which Iraq is expecting)
 
Kaperoni   They need 50-80 billion dollars
Kaperoni   or more over the next couple years
Kaperoni   That just to rebuild infrastructure
 
Kaperoni   ****, I've known Sam a long time. He is not getting paid that I know of.
Kaperoni   He just hates the BS by gurus
 
Zig   **** : Do you have proof he is being paid??......If not, shut up!!
 
Kaperoni   I think he means well
Kaperoni   Keep in mind the gurus outweigh the rest of us 10/1
 
Kaperoni   I am surprised actually that he came back after leaving the Dinar scene
 
****   Kaperoni I may disagree with your assertion of floating but you believe in the outcome. Its up to me to suck it up
 
Kaperoni   it does not matter really as long as it rises
Kaperoni   and I think we all want that
Kaperoni   Even Tebow will agreee


****   Am not a naysayer
****   Kaperoni here we go ...
 
Kaperoni   I would love a substantial RV or RI but that will never happen
 
****   Kaperoni if dinar float 1000% overnight, I can be jumpy and you shall be smiling all the way to the back --- as it floated
 
****   I can = I shall****
 
Kaperoni   Well my time is up also. Have a good night everyone.
 
****   Kaperoni it shall be semantics then.
 
Baxter   thx Kap.. for coming in
 
Kaperoni   Ok Baxter.
Kaperoni   take care
 
****   Kaperoni thanks and come often

 

 

[davis411]

Sam I am

 

sounds like a serial killer

[psdon]

50 minutes ago, davis411 said:

Sam I am

 

sounds like a serial killer

yes The son of Sam 

[DinarThug]

3 hours ago, davis411 said:

Sam I am

sounds like a serial killer

 

Sam I Am Is A Dr Suess Character Who Used To Post Here On DV As Mr Rich Before Getting Banned !  

 

 

But That Ex Con Frosted Flake TNT Tony Definitely Looks Like A Cereal Killer !