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1 hour ago, caz1104 said:

When stating Obama hates dogs....................

 

Caz,

But Hussein liked pizza and dogs...Wink Wink

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Enigma2a said:

 

Caz,

But Hussein liked pizza and dogs...Wink Wink

 

 

 

 

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Holy crap you guys need to come off the social conspiracy sites... First Michelle is a man then Donald likes golden showers... All this is just some sick people... Don't follow any of this crap.

 

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4 minutes ago, bostonangler said:

 

Holy crap you guys need to come off the social conspiracy sites... First Michelle is a man then Donald likes golden showers... All this is just some sick people... Don't follow any of this crap.

 

B/A

 

B/A,

You can not debate an actual email that was sent and is available as open source. Just because you do not want it to be true does not make it so. Do your research.

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15 minutes ago, Enigma2a said:

 

B/A,

You can not debate an actual email that was sent and is available as open source. Just because you do not want it to be true does not make it so. Do your research.

 

Thanks... Of course that does go both ways... Everyday there is proof (evidence) of Trump and his gang lying, misdirecting and presenting falsehoods, but some people refuse to believe and call everything fake, even when his own people admit it to be true. So I can go that route and do what Donald does, call it fake...

 

okay enough sarcasm I think everyone should be held accountable and with today's information technology you would think all these yahoos would realize they aren't going to get away with anything. But they do...

 

 

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Obama’s Administration spied on another candidate.  His administration weaponized the FBI and had ongoing surveillance on Conservative Supreme Court members, And Congress.  All you Trump haters do not have a clue how close we came to having  a complete takeover of our country.  NOT A CLUE!!!!  

 

BTW, who was the deciding vote on the Supreme Court.  Figure it out folks.  This ain’t conspiracy rubbish.  It’s all going to come out very soon and it isn’t going to be pretty for the Coup people.  There are going to be numerous indictments and numerous Lock Them Up for their crimes going on. 

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Well then BA, now that the Muller Report is out, what do you get from it? For me, yes there are accusations that can be pointed to for justification of the investigation. Its my opinion that these points of interest were fabricated ie planted by the FBI, DOJ, NSA and DNC/HRC. Once these plantings came back full circle lending the appearance of being clean ... oh well we need to investigate this. Trumps and or his surrogates may be subject to blackmail; or they may be spies? But none of the accusations panned out to be good as they related to POTUS Trump. They did verify that HRC, FBI, DOJ, and the NSA, at the upper levels fabricated evidence, provided false testimony to FISA Court Judges. They even lied to themselves, ie the FBI. Many of them should be investigated, indicted, tried and convicted for their crimes. Yes ? What they did under cover of the Obama Administration , and under the color of authority, was criminal constitutionally & federally. As they tried to do what the original authors of our Constitution knew could be done if the government obtained absolute power. The fact is they got close, it was the Founding Fathers and the American people that had stopped them, and will prevent them from trying to do such a thing again   the future .

 

Pitcher is 100% right. 

 

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The United States Government with it's 3 branches is designed around "checks and balances"......Donald J. Trump only deals in cash, and usually under the table.  He's a con artist seeking absolute power, just like his buddy Vlad and Little Rocket Man.....wake up Trumpkins, you're being played for fools.  ;)

 

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On 5/13/2019 at 8:39 PM, cranman said:

@Shabibilicious you know, if you are going to keep talking and spouting off with lies you better come correct.  Trump doesn't hate puppies! LOL.

 

Just having fun with you.😀

 

But...but...there's a sign.  :huh:

 

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On 5/14/2019 at 12:41 AM, nstoolman1 said:

COWARD

 

That's a pretty big font for one measly neg.....try hundreds or thousands of cowardly anonymous negs on for size and see how you feel.    ;)

 

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2 hours ago, new york kevin said:

Well then BA, now that the Muller Report is out, what do you get from it? For me, yes there are accusations that can be pointed to for justification of the investigation. Its my opinion that these points of interest were fabricated ie planted by the FBI, DOJ, NSA and DNC/HRC. Once these plantings came back full circle lending the appearance of being clean ... oh well we need to investigate this. Trumps and or his surrogates may be subject to blackmail; or they may be spies? But none of the accusations panned out to be good as they related to POTUS Trump. They did verify that HRC, FBI, DOJ, and the NSA, at the upper levels fabricated evidence, provided false testimony to FISA Court Judges. They even lied to themselves, ie the FBI. Many of them should be investigated, indicted, tried and convicted for their crimes. Yes ? What they did under cover of the Obama Administration , and under the color of authority, was criminal constitutionally & federally. As they tried to do what the original authors of our Constitution knew could be done if the government obtained absolute power. The fact is they got close, it was the Founding Fathers and the American people that had stopped them, and will prevent them from trying to do such a thing again   the future .

 

Pitcher is 100% right. 

 

 

His guys have pled guilty. His White House lawyer says Trump ordered him to obstruct but he refused. The investigation is paid for by Manafort's property. And the report did not exonerate him by any means. the reality is, he is just as corrupt as the other politicians you are against... 

 

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4 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

But...but...there's a sign.  :huh:

 

Image result for trump hates puppies

 

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Well I guess I'm wrong. There it is.  Plain as day.  It must be true.  Poor puppies.

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5 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

The United States Government with it's 3 branches is designed around "checks and balances"......Donald J. Trump only deals in cash, and usually under the table.  He's a con artist seeking absolute power, just like his buddy Vlad and Little Rocket Man.....wake up Trumpkins, you're being played for fools.  ;)

 

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Shabs

only one little thing wrong with ur scenario.....Presidents can't hold office longer than two terms. I f there was a way around this don't ya think Barry wouldn't have already tried....He truly fancied himself as gods chosen one. The MSM & the Left has pulled the wool over the eyes of 50% of the population for decades.

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4 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

His guys have pled guilty. His White House lawyer says Trump ordered him to obstruct but he refused. The investigation is paid for by Manafort's property. And the report did not exonerate him by any means. the reality is, he is just as corrupt as the other politicians you are against... 

 

B/A

And yet no indictments.................hey Einstein without such, even as much as you hate Trump even 5 year olds know this most simplistic of facts

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42 minutes ago, caz1104 said:

He truly fancied himself as gods chosen one

 

He wasn't the only one....this explains a lot:    :facepalm:

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, caz1104 said:

And yet no indictments.................hey Einstein without such, even as much as you hate Trump even 5 year olds know this most simplistic of facts

 

Are you living in a cave?... I think there has been something like 34 people indicted on some crime... He is like a Mafia boss only not quite as smart... Here is a little reading for you, but I'm sure you won't read it. It doesn't fit the preconceived image of the new and different politician who now leads the free world... Or you can just call it fake news, and that his guys are in fake prisons and it is all a conspiracy to dethrone the guy who lost by 3 million votes. Oh wait every vote against him was an illegal alien...

 

Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crimes.

Those indictments have led to seven guilty pleas and four people sentenced to prison.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Obama should be quiet while Trump cleans up his mess

Kudos to President Donald Trump for terminating President Barack Obama’s Iran nuclear deal. The deal was one of the worst deals ever negotiated. It gave Iran immediate cash payments and relief from sanctions in exchange for Iran’s leaders’ promises to refrain from bad behaviors in the future.

The deal was even worse procedurally. Obama said that “the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility.” Seriously? After eight years of Obama, the United States had little remaining credibility.

Obama’s Syrian “red line,” the Russian annexation of the Crimea, the Arab Spring, and Benghazi epitomized Obama’s penchant for empty threats and weakness. Trump must rebuild a foreign policy that serves the United States.

The Iran nuclear deal was not a treaty, but rather was Obama using his “phone and pen” to circumvent the Constitution. Had Obama submitted the deal to the Senate for ratification, it would have failed. In fact, 47 Republican senators signed a letter on March 9, 2015, explaining to Iran that the deal was with Obama, and was subject to revocation by his successor. The Iranians knew the risks, but moved forward because they received significant benefits up front.

Perhaps if Obama had been able to persuade 67 senators to support his deal, his current whining would have some merit. But he didn’t and Obama would be well served by refraining from commenting as his successor works to clean up his mess.

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"Over the course of his nearly two-year-long probe, special counsel Robert Mueller and his team of prosecutors have now indicted 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from computer hacking to conspiracy and financial crime"

 

 

 

And yet no collusion or obstruction.

 

We meet to build the border wall with the Muller report.

Nobody seems to be getting over it. 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, nstoolman1 said:

We meet to build the border wall with the Muller report.

Nobody seems to be getting over it. 

 

Good one! That made me laugh!

 

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20 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

The United States Government with it's 3 branches is designed around "checks and balances"......Donald J. Trump only deals in cash, and usually under the table.  He's a con artist seeking absolute power, just like his buddy Vlad and Little Rocket Man.....wake up Trumpkins, you're being played for fools.  ;)

 

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GO RV, then BV

 

Shabs needs to be sent to the "time out" room..........trashing Trump on the Trash Obama thread.........shame on him.......!!

 

but........purple haze for taking the time to post.......CL

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Lots coming soon that will cause a great deal of concern for Obama and his DOJ........Declass will be soon......then IG report.....then Huber........then the 3 that Barr has opened.........

 

This will go to the top.......

 

And it is all being completed in a very methodical way..........irrefutable......CL

 

below is an article on the declass procedures........and one wonders why it takes the Govt. so long to accomplish anything.....

 

 

On her television show Laura Ingraham reported her ‘sources’ inform her President Trump will execute the declassification directive next week. [Video Tweet Link] If accurate, the timing –in advance of the OIG draft report– makes sense.

 

The declassification of documents central to previous congressional inquiry, that also encompasses the Inspector General review of the Carter Page FISA application, is the subject of great interest and speculation.  However, it would make sense for President Trump to authorize the declassification of documents in advance of the IG report release.

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Likely Inspector General Michael Horowitz has reviewed all of the documents in question.  If Horowitz wants to include the classified content in his draft report for principle review; and later within the final report; those documents would need to be declassified or else they would be held back, footnoted and outlined in a classified appendix.

 

If the DOJ and President Trump want the information more broadly available to the public and media, it would make sense to declassify the documents – pending the review and approval of the participating intelligence agencies (DOJ, DOJ-NSD, CIA, NSA, State Dept., FBI, ODNI, DoD, etc.)

♦ The process without controversy – First, each of the executive branch intelligence agencies will have to sign-off on the declassification request, and/or explain to the Chief Executive (that’s Trump), through the ODNI, why their specific intelligence product should not be made public.

Generally speaking, now that the Mueller investigation is complete; and if there is no substantive risk to national security; the intelligence agencies will adhere/defer to the request of the executive.  This is where the alignment and support from U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr is critically important.

 

barr-2.jpg?w=300&h=256If AG Bill Barr supports the declassification request, there would be limited room for any intelligence unit to justify blocking the release.

 

In recent reporting Bill Barr has been outlined in discussions with the CIA and ODNI during his own intelligence review.  It is almost certain those media reports are referencing contact and discussion about the IG report and declassification content.

 

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) Dan Coats is in charge of the executive declassification process overall.  The ODNI is the intelligence hub that all requests and approvals flow through.  If any intelligence unit or compartment has an argument against declassification their argument/justification against release (or redaction removal) is made to the ODNI.

 

The DOJ is one intelligence agency within the process; however, in this specific example the declassification directive will be targeted to fulfill the DOJ-OIG investigative framework of the inspector general. [Assuming this is the goal of President Trump]  Therefore the DOJ will have increased weight and responsibility for coordination and support for the declassification request.

 

If all cabinet members of the executive branch are working toward full transparency; and assuming the current FBI doesn’t try to block any release; the process for declassification follows normal guidelines to notify any intelligence units that might be impacted by public release.

In this example, again assuming the list of classified documents is similar to those previously anticipated, there are possible foreign governments and intelligence units that would need advanced notification.  In turn, those foreign agencies may request time to organize their intelligence interests and impacts.

 

ODNI Dan Coats would be responsible for working with DoS (Pompeo), CIA (Haspel), FBI (Wray), DOJ-NSD (Barr) and NSA (Nakasone).  Each of those intelligence officers are then responsible for notifying their foreign counterpart of any information that might pertain to their interest(s). [Assuming the declassification touches on foreign interests.]

 

If everyone within the executive agrees, then likely Inspector General Michael Horowitz will be allowed to outline the declassified content in the main body of his report and not hidden within a classified index unavailable to the public.

 

If the declassified material extends beyond the interests of the executive, in this case it likely does, then the ODNI may select participating intelligence members to brief the congressional gang-of-eight on the material being declassified.

 

This is not always needed, but given the political interest in this example this will likely happen.  The current Gang of Eight includes: Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Adam Schiff, Devin Nunes, Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, Richard Burr and Mark Warner.

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If the declassified material extends beyond the interests of the executive and the legislative, in this case it is possible vis-a-vis FISA, then the ODNI may also brief the Chair and ranking member of the house and Senate Judiciary Committees on the material being declassified. ie: Jerry Nadler, Doug Collins, Lindsey Graham and Dianne Feinstein.

 

Additionally, there is also a possibility the full Carter Page FISA application is being declassified.  If so, there could be notification to the U.S. Judicial branch SCOTUS Chief Justice John Roberts and/or FISA Court Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer.

 

So you can see this is a rather engaged and lengthy process as each participating interest is notified, and allowed time to provide feedback if they have any adverse interests to the release which may need to be considered.   This is not as simple as President Trump saying “do it.”   A declassification request is a process.

 

Yes, the President of the United States can unilaterally declassify any document he/she deem is in the national interest.  However, that is never done.  If you want to see how it is possible to do [READ THIS].

 

The President has the unilateral ability to declassify anything because he/she is often engaged in discussions with leaders of foreign governments, if the POTUS had to worry about his ability to discuss classified intelligence the President would be unable to engage in open discussion on interests of importance to the United States.   Therefore the laws that allow the President his authority, are designed so that a President cannot violate any classified intelligence issue.

 

That’s the basis for the President’s ability to unilaterally declassify intelligence information and/or documents.  Any previously classified material the president shares is considered declassified subject to the classification authority of the recipient.

 

In the example of declassifying documents the executive deems are of public interest, there is an assumption of no inherent national security urgency.  Therefore the process to allow advanced review of those documents by all stakeholders is always followed.

 

You can imagine the political backlash if a president, any president, was making unilateral decisions to declassify material without going through the process to ensure national security interests were evaluated.  Heck, even though President Trump is going through the lengthy and structured process, we will likely see his political opposition make this absurd claim anyway.  [Keep that in mind]

 

All of that said, no-one really knows the documents and/or information that may be subject to this current declassification request.  This was the original list as outlined in 2018:

  • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (FBI) (ODNI).
  • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI)
  • All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI)
  • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
  • All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI)
  • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)
  • All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
  • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

However, in the months since September 2018, there are more documents that may have been added to the list; specifically if they have been reviewed by Inspector General Horowitz and citations contained within the upcoming draft report on FISA abuse.

 

Also keep in mind, Mark Meadows outlined President Trump has never seen the documents or the information that would be contained within the documents. [More Here] Many people who do not know how the executive branch works have falsely stated that President Trump knows what is in those declassification documents. He doesn’t.

 

The Office of the Presidency is a system, not a person. The system is designed to protect the occupant of the office. In this specific example it would be against the direct interests of the President to have full knowledge of the material inside the declassification requests because the President was potentially a target and carries an inherent conflict of interest.

 

The President is reliant upon the trust of advisers to inform him of the value – or lack thereof – along with the legal and political risks therein; without any specific conversation about the content.

 

In short, President Trump may declassify material as requested, but other than general briefings, he likely has no independent idea what material is inside or behind the redactions. Again, understanding this process helps to explain procedural delays, and frustration from those without familiarity with all the roles attached to the executive.

 

Lastly, CTH doesn’t traffic in ‘hope-porn’.  While we have presented a more detailed list of documents and material that we hope would be declassified, there’s almost no likelihood all of this material would be approved for release:

 

♦ President Trump can prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus by exposing the preceding CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is why Page and Strzok texts are redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.  The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

It’s doubtful the intelligence apparatus would ever permit the public to see the 99-page FISA opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer.  It would be too damaging to the objective of future FISA authorization.

 

However, we could also to see material that is not included in any of the declassification lists, such as the fully unredacted Kavalec email and notes.  Time will tell.

 

If Laura Ingraham is correct, the “Principle Draft Review” phase for the Inspector General report may soon be coming.  The draft review allows each of the people identified within the report the opportunity to submit any response or counter to the information as presented by the reference-check phase.

 

Each of the recipients of the draft report must sign an NDA; however, the NDA only covers the content of the report, not the general submission/appearance of the draft report itself.

 

The IG may choose to include response(s) from the principles in the draft report, or the IG may not; some of that depends on the advice of the person or group who fulfilled the reference check.  Usually if the IG adds the principle comment, the IG will rebut the comment with additional information and citation (from the referencer).

 

Once we hear about the draft report (media will mention it – perhaps next week), it will be around a month to full public release of the final report that everyone will see.

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LI: I heard from a high-placed WH source that the President may be looking to release and declassify ALL the relevant documents leading up to the start of the Russian probe next week.

🗣️: I heard he's going to give them to AG Barr to review.

LI: Well, apparently it's next week.

 
 
 
 

 

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20 hours ago, bostonangler said:

 

His guys have pled guilty. His White House lawyer says Trump ordered him to obstruct but he refused. The investigation is paid for by Manafort's property. And the report did not exonerate him by any means. the reality is, he is just as corrupt as the other politicians you are against... 

 

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Me guesses thine head is stuck in da sand man. Mr Trump was exonerated ... no collusion.  Period. Mueller himself passed on obstruction by the Prez to AG Barr for 2 reasons. 1. While one can point to this or that action as being obstructionist , in context , as the courts must look, just a person talking about is this or that legal - ain't no crime there he never took action. 2. It was perfectly legal for Muller to allow AG Barr to make the call to Prosecute as Mueller was just the Cop investigating the issue. Its always the Prosecutors call to evaluate if there is enuf evidence for a crime. "His guys plead guilty " CORRECT not Trump. His guys plead guilty for crimes they did; at, by, and for their own reasons, without any encouragement from Mr . Trump. With the exception of Manafort they were for process crimes, forgetting to report about having worked for a foreign government at one point. Now that Dems are being looked at for the same sort of crimes, now they're saying things like it was a simple oversight. Not intentional,   no real crime there, Trump is just trying to cover up still, thats why they are going for such mi or infractions. Y'all just cannot believe Trump was elected properly.  That Trump was not guilty of colusion with the Russians. The contacts he had with Russians were all above board, and part of his job as President-elect and POTUS. Come end of June or earlier (can't say soon/sooner on DV) after indictments are made for real crimes like weaponizing the full power of Federal Law Enforcement for Opposition Research purposes. Providing false evidence and unverified evidence to Judges. When the trials start for those crimes, then you and yours may be talking out of the otherside of your mouth. Honestly, I relish that potentiality. Have a nice day.

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