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New Jersey residents face possible 'rain tax'

New Jersey residents could face a possible rain tax if newly formed legislation is passed.

New Jersey residents could soon be hit with what Republicans are calling a "rain tax," if Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy signs newly passed legislation.

The bill, approved by the New Jersey Assembly and the Senate, would allow municipalities to create utilities that can collect fees from homeowners and business owners that have large paved surfaces, like driveways and parking lots. During storms, rainwater mixes with pollutants on those surfaces before running into sewers and drains. The funding from the fees could be used for upgrades to reduce the impact on the environment.

NEW JERSEY COULD TAX TAP WATER UNDER DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKER'S PLAN

“With all the salt that we’ve had on roads recently, that’s all running into the sewer systems, so you can’t ignore the problems because they don’t go away,” Senate President Steve Sweeney told CBS New York.

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State Sen. Richard Codey called the legislation necessary, telling CBS New York that the state’s economy is based on the shore.

“We gotta make sure we keep it that way,” he said.

But Republicans have blasted the plan, dubbing it a “rain tax,” and complaining the state already has implemented too many costs on residents.

“We all want to protect our environment. We all want to preserve it for future generations, but this is a weighted tax,” Sen. Tom Kean Jr. told CBS New York. “The citizens of New Jersey…really [have] no way to defend themselves against tax increases at local levels.”

NJ TO ALLOCATE $2.1 MILLION FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FACING DEPORTATION, GOVERNOR SAYS

The bill would establish a “Clean Stormwater and Floor Reduction Fund,” which would be used for stormwater utilities in the state, as well as water quality monitoring, pollution reduction projects and outreach programs, according to the legislation.

“Under the bill, a county, municipality, or authority (local unit) that establishes a stormwater utility is authorized to charge and collect reasonable fees and other charges to recover the stormwater utility’s costs for stormwater management,” the bill reads.

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The bill would allow the utilities to go after people who don't pay and charge interest on unpaid fees, effectively constituting a tax lien—the same method used on delinquent property taxes.

The governor’s office told Fox News on Wednesday that they would not comment on the pending legislation, when asked if Murphy would sign the bill. But local reports suggest Murphy will sign the legislation.

 

Link: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-jersey-residents-may-be-hit-with-rain-tax

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So let me get this straight...in the same article they are reporting that tax paying citizens are going to be required to pay more for just living in New Jersey and the surface area of their residences, and yet they are allocating millions for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS facing deportation? And people wonder why we had the RISE OR TRUMP....

 

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Sanitary and Storm systems are not cheap to maintain and or upgrade when necessary.  And many municipalities still have combination sewers that adversely affect surrounding streams, rivers, and lakes.  Where I live, new developments, such as new subdivisions or commercial complexes are required to provide storm water retention facilities so as to not burden already overburdened, antiquated systems.  When smaller communities are essentially forced to offer multiple year tax breaks to lure new businesses/jobs to the area....citizens are left to flip the bill for upkeep.  It's a vicious cycle.  

 

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And in other parts of the country, if you collect water runoff your roof you will be taxed. Darned if you do, darned if you dont. The government thinks we are stealing our own money and resources. 🤤

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1 minute ago, jg1 said:

And in other parts of the country, if you collect water runoff your roof you will be taxed. Darned if you do, darned if you dont. The government thinks we are stealing our own money and resources. 🤤

 

When I water my lawn, my sewer bill rises proportionate to my water bill....true story.  I bet most city residents bills do as well and they don't even know it.

 

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Yes it is "water in/water out"

Their theory is if it comes through your meter it goes out your sewer. Another lazy way to grab your money. 

Instead of two meters, one for domestic and one for irrigation.

Subtract irrigation from domestic and charge sewer accordingly. 

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I guarantee that I would tear up any concrete or asphalt and make my drive look like this. Its just another greedy socialist grab at the working mans money. Wake up people!

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Yep Shabs, we rednecks here in Mississippi had the same thing, water your lawn and BOOM your water AND sewer bill went sky high. Then some backwood Southern Hick thought of the idea of putting in a separate H2O meter for watering the lawns, because the water did not go in the sewer. Cost $250.00 to install the separate meter and hook to the sprinkler system. Paid for itself in the first year. Now we  pay for the water to water our lawns, and the water use of the house that goes in the sewer is a separate bill. Pretty smart I would say. You can use that idea for your tax happy leftist up North where you live if you like. No charge. You are welcome.

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3 minutes ago, md11fr8dawg said:

Yep Shabs, we rednecks here in Mississippi had the same thing, water your lawn and BOOM your water AND sewer bill went sky high. Then some backwood Southern Hick thought of the idea of putting in a separate H2O meter for watering the lawns, because the water did not go in the sewer. Cost $250.00 to install the separate meter and hook to the sprinkler system. Paid for itself in the first year. Now we  pay for the water to water our lawns, and the water use of the house that goes in the sewer is a separate bill. Pretty smart I would say. You can use that idea for your tax happy leftist up North where you live if you like. No charge. You are welcome.

 

I'm sensing your condescension toward me.....did we have a falling out I'm not aware of, fr8dawg?   And though your tip is awesome....it doesn't work here as watering the lawn is still considered a storm water issue and thus the sewer bill is affected.....Sanitary and Storm systems are covered under the same line item on the Utility bill.  Thanks though, some people might check it out and be pleasantly surprised though.

 

GO RV, then BV

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Born and raised in Jersey, exit 7A heading into the City. Went to a well known U in state and upon graduation left. My whole family were business owners. The taxes and Dems drove people out. If you sell your home and leave they tax you for leaving. We call it the Exit Tax. Last year they were leading the nation on people exiting. Buyers market right now. You really have to wonder when people are going to wake up. They just get up for ever election and vote Dem. There will come a day when they run out of other people money, then what happens?

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34 minutes ago, ChuckFinley said:

There will come a day when they run out of other people money, then what happens?

After we get paid in dinar, i’ll Buy the state and make a junk years out of it..:o:lmao:

 

or “fence” it off and let the little commie b@sterds...oops, i’m Sorry, I mean democrats, live in their little socialist world by them selves. We could make like a hunger games arena for them. :lmao:

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53 minutes ago, ChuckFinley said:

There will come a day when they run out of other people money, then what happens?

After we get paid in dinar, i’ll Buy the state and make a junk yard out of it..:o:lmao:

 

or “fence” it off and let the little commie b@sterds...oops, i’m Sorry, I mean democrats, live in their little socialist world by them selves. We could make like a hunger games arena for them. :lmao:

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7 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

Yes it is "water in/water out"

Their theory is if it comes through your meter it goes out your sewer. Another lazy way to grab your money. 

Instead of two meters, one for domestic and one for irrigation.

Subtract irrigation from domestic and charge sewer accordingly. 

 

It's not laziness, it's pure greed and robbery.

 

They know exactly what they are doing. :twocents: 

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By lazy(maybe wrong word) I mean they don't have to put much effort out to get the money. 

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as tony says!

i put in a well. first year in my home the water bill was 600 a month. i did not notice about sewer..

well cost 1800 to drill 2500 by the end of the process paid for itself in the first year.

yes it was a HUGE FIGHT with city about backwash valves and rebuild certs ended with an inspection by the city that proved the well water does not enter my house!

RAT BASTARDS!

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When property is sold mineral rights do not automatically transfer to the new owner. 

Water rights allow so much water to be pumped per year. The old owner may use those rights on another piece of property. 

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3 hours ago, nstoolman1 said:

When property is sold mineral rights do not automatically transfer to the new owner. 

Water rights allow so much water to be pumped per year. The old owner may use those rights on another piece of property. 

Ya know I've been reading this whole thread and what amazes me most is that people still think they're free. 

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Shabs, nope we don't have a problem. I use to live in Jersey. Absolutely beautiful state in the summer, but about 6 months of winter. No thanks. And the cost of EVERYTHING, food, housing (for shacks) auto insurance, tolls and taxes out the ARSE. Could not get out of there fast enough. The thing I find sad and amusing about states & cities run by RATS is the people who are laying down the law (ie. how to farm your land, water rights etc most have NEVER done this themselves. They use pretzel logic that sounds great but usually has no practical application.

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1 hour ago, md11fr8dawg said:

Shabs, nope we don't have a problem. I use to live in Jersey. Absolutely beautiful state in the summer, but about 6 months of winter. No thanks. And the cost of EVERYTHING, food, housing (for shacks) auto insurance, tolls and taxes out the ARSE. Could not get out of there fast enough. The thing I find sad and amusing about states & cities run by RATS is the people who are laying down the law (ie. how to farm your land, water rights etc most have NEVER done this themselves. They use pretzel logic that sounds great but usually has no practical application.

 

Good to know.  As for NJ....I spent 8 miserable winter weeks there at Fort Dix in the 80's, haven't been back since.....never came across one Jersey Devil or flying saucer that whole time.  :blink: 

 

GO RV, then BV

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1 hour ago, Shabibilicious said:

 

Good to know.  As for NJ....I spent 8 miserable winter weeks there at Fort Dix in the 80's, haven't been back since.....never came across one Jersey Devil or flying saucer that whole time.  :blink: 

 

GO RV, then BV

WOW! I spent 8 weeks there in the summer for basic...hated it!

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