Another EV Giant Enters The Battery Business

[Pitcher]

Another EV Giant Enters The Battery Business

- Jan 26, 2019, 12:00 PM CST

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German auto maker giant Volkswagen has just upped its bet on electric vehicles (EVs) by announcing it will begin manufacturing batteries and charging stations for those cars, which the company plans to also start mass producing soon.

The Wolfsburg-based company said it would invest 870 million euros (about $985 million) by 2020 to develop e-vehicle components, adding that its components division, which makes engines and steering parts, will now be in charge of producing, packing and overseeing recycling of  battery cells and packs.

Volkswagen has been actively promoting the electric push by creating global production capacities for the construction of one million EVs.

VW has been actively promoting the electric push by creating global production capacities for the construction of 1 million electric cars. Late last year, it announced it would spend nearly $50 billion to refocus on the making of electric cars, autonomous vehicles and new mobility services.

As part of the overhaul, the carmaker began converting three of its plants in Germany to build EVS and so ramp up production of zero-local emission cars ahead of tougher European emissions standards.

VW also said it would start developing mobile electric car charging stations at its nearby plant in Hannover, which currently makes engines and castings for traditional cars, which the company will stop producing in 2026.

The company will bundle cells from EV batteries into storage power banks that can be used to recharge up to 15 e-cars at a time and be transported to wherever power is needed. Related: Venezuela Crisis Deepens As The World Take Sides

Drivers will be able to find mobile charging stations thanks to an app on their smartphone, it said.

"It can be set up flexibly and independent of the power supply wherever it is needed: for example, in public parking lots in the city, on company premises, or as a temporary charging point at large-scale events," VW said.

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Fifty years of the Salzgitter engine factory. (Source: VW | Twitter Feed.)

Volkswagen’s shift to e-mobility is also adding jobs in the U.S. It said last week it would build an $800 million plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., creating 1,000 positions,  plus additional ones at suppliers. EV production there will begin in 2022.

 

It also recently announced it was investing in Forge Nano, a California-based start-up called that seeks to improve the efficiency of battery cells.

Late last year, Germany set aside more than $1 billion to support domestic production of battery cells, and there’s been talk of a national consortium that may include Volkswagen.

The news comes a couple of days after the world’s largest maker of battery cells, China’s CATL, announced it planned to produce 60 gigawatt hours (GWh) beginning in 2026 from its battery factory in Germany, its first production site in Europe.

VW will develop its final generation of vehicles using combustion engine technology in 2026.

Recent studies show carmakers will need to add EVs to their sales lineups to meet the new European Union rules on greenhouse gas emissions from 2021. They also highlight how German carmakers need to rethink their business as the growing adoption of EVs is expected to cost the country's key auto industry about 75,000 jobs by 2030, according to a report carried out by the Fraunhofer Institute of Industrial Engineering. Related: Oil Prices Unmoved By Venezuela Turmoil

Those figures, the institute said,  were calculated on the assumption that by 2030, a quarter of all vehicles on Germany's roads will be fully electric. Another 15 percent is expected to be hybrids, which combine an electric motor with a traditional internal combustion engine, and 60 percent of the cars will be powered by gasoline or diesel engines that are more fuel-efficient than today.

A more rapid adoption of electric vehicles could threaten up to 100,000 jobs, the study warned, adding that regardless of the final number, there will be suppliers that simply won't be able to adapt their business model, especially among small- and medium-sized companies.

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Source: IEA’s Global Electric Vehicle Outlook 2018.

While relatively slow to catch onto the ongoing EV boom, German carmakers have stepped up their efforts in the wake of VW's 2015 "diesel gate" emissions cheating scandal, which tainted the reputation of diesel cars and spurred a push towards more environmentally friendly engines.

BMW recently said raw materials needed for car batteries will grow 10-fold by 2025, adding it has been surprised by "just how quickly demand will accelerate". BMW plans to offer 25 electrified vehicles by 2025 and, like many of its peers, it prefers nickel-manganese-cobalt batteries or NMC. EV pioneer Tesla's favoured battery technology –nickel-cobalt-aluminum or NCA – already uses less than 3 percent cobalt.

 

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[Pitcher]

I put this in the Iraq news section because if Iraq doesn’t push the Damn RV button fairly soon the World will NOT need their oil.  There will always be a diminished need for oil (plastics, cheap energy for underdeveloped countries) but the days of holding the world hostage like OPEC did in 1974 and 1979 are just about over.

 

 By 2030 more than half of  the new cars sold will be EV.  The more EV vehicles on the road will result in a lowered demand for oil.  Iraq needs to get moving to exploit their oil wealth and diversify their economy while there is still a big demand.  EV technology is here to stay and as soon as someone builds a reliable EV PU Truck I’m all in too.  One of my good friends bought a Tesla last year and he absolutely loves it.  

[GreedyDinar07]

Pitcher you are absolutely correct! 

[ChuckFinley]

36 minutes ago, Pitcher said:

I put this in the Iraq news section because if Iraq doesn’t push the Damn RV button fairly soon the World will NOT need their oil.  There will always be a diminished need for oil (plastics, cheap energy for underdeveloped countries) but the days of holding the world hostage like OPEC did in 1974 and 1979 are just about over.

 

 By 2030 more than half of  the new cars sold will be EV.  The more EV vehicles on the road will result in a lowered demand for oil.  Iraq needs to get moving to exploit their oil wealth and diversify their economy while there is still a big demand.  EV technology is here to stay and as soon as someone builds a reliable EV PU Truck I’m all in too.  One of my good friends bought a Tesla last year and he absolutely loves it.  

For sure. This could be the straw.

[pontiyak]

Pitcher...agreed. and in regards to the first 1/2 ton EV pickup truck with at least a 200 mile range..

That manufacturer will absolutely clean up...

 

The best things in life RV

 

yak

[Pitcher]

Electric cars will not stop rising oil demand, says energy agency chief 

Published on 22/01/2019, 1:25pm

Trucks, petrochemicals and air travel driving global oil use, Fatih Birol of the International Energy Agency says 

Plug-In Hybrids charging outside San Francisco City Hall (Photo: Felix Kramer (CalCars) )

By Natalie Sauer

Electric car use may be growing exponentially, but they are doing little to curb rising carbon emissions and oil demand, the head of the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Tuesday.

“To say that electric cars are the end of oil is definitely misleading,” economist Fatih Birol told a panel at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

“This year we expect global oil demand to increase by 1.3 million barrels per day. The effect of 5 million cars is [to diminish that demand by] 50,000 barrels per day. 50,000 versus 1.3m barrels.”

Last year, the IEA predicted that the number of electric cars globally would grow from 3 million today, to 125 million by 2030. But Birol said the number paled in comparison to the 1 billion cars powered by internal combustion engines.

Davos elite looks to ‘Globalisation 4.0’ to stem climate change

Besides, he said, it was not cars that were driving oil demand – “full stop”.

“Drivers are trucks, the petrochemical industry, planes. Asia is just starting to fly,” he said, referring to the agency’s 2018 energy outlookreport that also cites shipping as a major source of oil demand.

Birol also highlighted the problem of powering electric cars when two thirds of global generation comes from fossil fuels.

“Where does the electricity come from, to say that electric cars are a solution to our climate change problem? It is not,” Birol said.

“Even if there were 300 million [electric cars] with the current power generation system, the impact in terms of CO2 emissions is less than 1% – nothing. If you can’t decarbonise [the power sector], C02 emissions will not be going down. It may be helpful for the local pollution, but for global emissions it is not.”

Environmentalists have repeatedly accused the Paris-based IEA of skewing its research in favour of the oil and gas industry, including by underestimating the growth of the renewables sector. Research and advocacy group Oil Change International believes that this is encouraging governments to overshoot their Paris climate pledges.

Greg Archer, UK director of Transport&Environment, a European umbrella group focusing on transport sustainability, said Birol’s comment revealed the IEA’s bias.

“It took over 20 years to sell the first million electric cars globally, and just a year to sell the second million,” Archer wrote to Climate Home News. “Now well over a million are sold every six months and the growth is continuing to accelerate. Just as the IEA continually has to upgrade its annual forecasts for solar and wind power, so it is for electric cars too.”

Arched said that electric vehicles would increasingly drive down demand for fossil fuels, while we could expect trucks, ships and planes to prioritise hydrogen, advanced biofuels and e-fuels.

“Eventually oil will remain in the ground because it is too expensive to pump it out,” he concluded.

 

https://www.climatechangenews.com/2019/01/22/electric-cars-will-not-stop-rising-oil-demand-says-energy-agency-chief/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ClimateHome+(Climate+Home)

[Pitcher]

This guy will be shocked at how fast the lowered demand for oil will occur.  He  needs to see what the boys at MIT are doing with solar energy.  Yes there will be a demand for years, after all asphalt roads are a stapple of road building, haha.  

[Pitcher]

Hey pontiyak, did you know the Ford 150 is the top selling vehicle in the US.  Over 950k were sold last year compared to 550k for GM and about the same for Dodge Ram

I need a PU to haul stuff, I’m not the only one.  

[NoviceInvestor]

Agree with your comments Pitcher  with reference to oil versus electric vehicles .. We are moving to a new world order where energy as we know it will be obsolete and in many cases we will be come a burden on society and we too will have a use by date place on our timeline.  But I do agree with you Iraq needs to move a little faster on their RV and stimulus for growth or the country will be in a more derelict state than it is today.. For what it's worth JMO

[Karsten]

I recall I read somewhere that Iraq had a huge supply of lithium or what ever the mineral needed to make Lithium Batteries which is what these cars use.......They just have to get it out of the ground. 

 

No one is going to put the labor and equipment into mining it at the worthless program rate.

 

Karsten

[DinarDavo]

6 minutes ago, Karsten said:

I recall I read somewhere that Iraq had a huge supply of lithium or what ever the mineral needed to make Lithium Batteries which is what these cars use.......They just have to get it out of the ground. 

 

No one is going to put the labor and equipment into mining it at the worthless program rate.

 

Karsten

 

Sounds like something Elon Musk would be salivating over.....   

[Pitcher]

Top Lithium Producers by Country

Which countries were the biggest lithium producers in 2017? Australia took the top spot, and it was followed by Chile and Argentina.

 

Interest in lithium continues to grow due to the metal’s role in the lithium-ion batteries that power electric vehicles (EVs).

Prices for the battery metal fell in the first half of the year after a positive run in 2017. Even so, many analysts and companies are positive about its prospects in 2018.

In total, about 46 percent of lithium produced goes toward battery production, but other industries also consume the metal — 27 percent is used in ceramics and glass, while 7 percent goes to lubricating greases, to name a few of the other end uses for lithium.

As demand for the metal continues to rise, which countries will provide the lithium the world requires? The latest data from the US Geological Survey shows that the world’s top lithium producers are doing their best to meet rising demand — worldwide lithium production rose roughly 13 percent from 2016 to 2017, coming in at 43,000 MT last year.

Read on for a brief overview of the eight countries that produced the most lithium in 2017. If the EV market continues to grow, and if lithium-ion batteries continue their reign as the top battery for EVs, it’s likely that they will produce even more of the metal in years to come.

1. Australia

Mine production: 18,700 MT

Kicking off our largest lithium producers list is Australia. It produced 18,700 MT of the metal last year, up an impressive 3,300 MT from the year before. The 34-percent increase has been attributed to two new spodumene operations that ramped up production, along with strong sales.

Australia hosts the Greenbushes lithium asset, which is operated by Talison Lithium, a subsidiary jointly owned by Tianqi Lithium (SZSE:002466) and Albemarle (NYSE:ALB). Greenbushes is the longest continuously operating mining area in Western Australia, having been in operation for over 25 years.

Australia also holds over 2.7 million MT of identified lithium reserves, according to the US Geological Survey — that’s just behind China and, of course, Chile. It is worth noting that most of the country’s lithium is exported to China as spodumene.

2. Chile

Mine production: 14,100 MT

Chile was another of the world’s top lithium producers in 2017, although its production decreased from 14,300 MT in 2016 to 14,100 MT last year. The US Geological Survey says the decline was likely the result of weather conditions that impacted the country’s brine production. Unlike Australia, where lithium is extracted from hard-rock mines, Chile’s lithium is found in lithium brine deposits.

The Atacama salt flat in Chile generates roughly half the revenue for SQM (NYSE:SQM), atop lithium producer. SQM finally reached a deal over disputed royalties with Chilean development agency Corfo in January 2018, which will impact its production. In 2018, the Chilean government also gave Albemarle, mentioned above, permission to expand its domestic lithium operations to 145,000 MT until 2043.

3. Argentina

Mine production: 5,500 MT

Lithium producer Argentina decreased its output by 300 MT in 2017, achieving production of 5,500 MT. As with Chile, the US Geological Survey notes that the fall was likely due to weather conditions — Argentina experienced heavy snowfall, which limited production at the country’s new brine operation.

It’s well known that Bolivia, Argentina and Chile make up the “lithium triangle.” Argentina’s Salar del Hombre Muerto district hosts significant lithium brines, while its reserves are sufficient for at least 75 years. At present, lithium mining in the country shows no signs of slowing down. According to Reuters, lithium carbonate production in Argentina will triple by 2019, and has the potential to grow even more if companies are successful in obtaining funding for their projects.

4. China

Mine production: 3,000 MT

China came fourth for lithium production in 2017, the same position it held the year before. The lithium producer saw its output grow to 3,000 MT last year from just 2,300 MT in 2016.

While lithium production in China is comparatively low, it is the largest consumer of lithium due to its electronics manufacturing and EV industries. China accounts for 55 percent of global lithium-ion battery production, according to Fortune. That number is expected to grow in the years to come.

China now gets most of its lithium from Australia, but is looking to expand its capacity in the future. In late 2017, “China’s appetite for lithium [was] on display in [a] Canadian takeover,” says the Financial Post in an article describing a $265-million investment into a Canadian lithium exploration firm.

5. Zimbabwe

Mine production: 1,000 MT

For the fourth year in a row, lithium producer Zimbabwe maintained production of 1,000 MT. The country’s privately owned Bikita Minerals allegedly holds the world’s largest-known deposit of lithium at over 11 million tonnes, but the company has been the subject of a court battle. According to the US Geological Survey, the country’s total reserves stand at 23,000 MT.

Since former President Robert Mugabe’s resignation after 37 years, there has been great speculation as to the country’s potential in the lithium space. Winston Chitando, Zimbabwe’s new mining minister, said he believes the country has “the potential to actually account for 20 percent of global demand when all known lithium resources are being exploited.”

 

6. Portugal

Mine production: 400 MT

Portugal produces much less lithium than the five countries ahead of it on this list. Last year, it put out 400 MT of the metal, double its output from 2016.

Most of the country’s lithium comes from the Goncalo aplite-pegmatite field. Despite this lithium producer’s comparatively low output, its reserves are greater than Zimbabwe’s, at 60,000 MT. Miners may be onto this because 46 applications were reportedly submitted to the Portuguese government last year to explore and extract lithium in the nation.

7. Brazil

Mine production: 200 MT

The next largest lithium producer is Brazil, whose lithium production has come in at 200 MT three years running. While lithium reserves in Brazil are small, the country does have deposits in the Minas Gerais and Ceara areas. Again, its reserves are more impressive than its output, standing at 48,000 MT, so the country potentially has a long lifespan for lithium output at the current pace.

8. United States

Mine production: unknown

The final listing on our top lithium producers list is the US, which withheld production numbers to avoid disclosing proprietary company data. Its only output last year came from a Nevada-based brine operation, most likely in the Clayton Valley, which hosts Albemarle’s Silver Peak mine.

In recent news, Lithium Americas (TSX:LAC) has announced plans to develop its Thacker Pass lithium project in Nevada. With proven resources of 3.1 million tonnes, the company is claiming it is the largest deposit of lithium in the US. This project is a little different that most in that it’s the first lithium-from-clay operation, and requires new extraction technology.

[Karsten]

1 hour ago, Pitcher said:

Top Lithium Producers by Country

Which countries were the biggest lithium producers in 2017? Australia took the top spot, and it was followed by Chile and Argentina.

 

Interest in lithium continues to grow due to the metal’s role in the lithium-ion batteries that power electric vehicles (EVs).

Prices for the battery metal fell in the first half of the year after a positive run in 2017. Even so, many analysts and companies are positive about its prospects in 2018.

In total, about 46 percent of lithium produced goes toward battery production, but other industries also consume the metal — 27 percent is used in ceramics and glass, while 7 percent goes to lubricating greases, to name a few of the other end uses for lithium.

As demand for the metal continues to rise, which countries will provide the lithium the world requires? The latest data from the US Geological Survey shows that the world’s top lithium producers are doing their best to meet rising demand — worldwide lithium production rose roughly 13 percent from 2016 to 2017, coming in at 43,000 MT last year.

Read on for a brief overview of the eight countries that produced the most lithium in 2017. If the EV market continues to grow, and if lithium-ion batteries continue their reign as the top battery for EVs, it’s likely that they will produce even more of the metal in years to come.

1. Australia

Mine production: 18,700 MT

Kicking off our largest lithium producers list is Australia. It produced 18,700 MT of the metal last year, up an impressive 3,300 MT from the year before. The 34-percent increase has been attributed to two new spodumene operations that ramped up production, along with strong sales.

Australia hosts the Greenbushes lithium asset, which is operated by Talison Lithium, a subsidiary jointly owned by Tianqi Lithium (SZSE:002466) and Albemarle (NYSE:ALB). Greenbushes is the longest continuously operating mining area in Western Australia, having been in operation for over 25 years.

Australia also holds over 2.7 million MT of identified lithium reserves, according to the US Geological Survey — that’s just behind China and, of course, Chile. It is worth noting that most of the country’s lithium is exported to China as spodumene.

2. Chile

Mine production: 14,100 MT

Chile was another of the world’s top lithium producers in 2017, although its production decreased from 14,300 MT in 2016 to 14,100 MT last year. The US Geological Survey says the decline was likely the result of weather conditions that impacted the country’s brine production. Unlike Australia, where lithium is extracted from hard-rock mines, Chile’s lithium is found in lithium brine deposits.

The Atacama salt flat in Chile generates roughly half the revenue for SQM (NYSE:SQM), atop lithium producer. SQM finally reached a deal over disputed royalties with Chilean development agency Corfo in January 2018, which will impact its production. In 2018, the Chilean government also gave Albemarle, mentioned above, permission to expand its domestic lithium operations to 145,000 MT until 2043.

3. Argentina

Mine production: 5,500 MT

Lithium producer Argentina decreased its output by 300 MT in 2017, achieving production of 5,500 MT. As with Chile, the US Geological Survey notes that the fall was likely due to weather conditions — Argentina experienced heavy snowfall, which limited production at the country’s new brine operation.

It’s well known that Bolivia, Argentina and Chile make up the “lithium triangle.” Argentina’s Salar del Hombre Muerto district hosts significant lithium brines, while its reserves are sufficient for at least 75 years. At present, lithium mining in the country shows no signs of slowing down. According to Reuters, lithium carbonate production in Argentina will triple by 2019, and has the potential to grow even more if companies are successful in obtaining funding for their projects.

4. China

Mine production: 3,000 MT

China came fourth for lithium production in 2017, the same position it held the year before. The lithium producer saw its output grow to 3,000 MT last year from just 2,300 MT in 2016.

While lithium production in China is comparatively low, it is the largest consumer of lithium due to its electronics manufacturing and EV industries. China accounts for 55 percent of global lithium-ion battery production, according to Fortune. That number is expected to grow in the years to come.

China now gets most of its lithium from Australia, but is looking to expand its capacity in the future. In late 2017, “China’s appetite for lithium [was] on display in [a] Canadian takeover,” says the Financial Post in an article describing a $265-million investment into a Canadian lithium exploration firm.

5. Zimbabwe

Mine production: 1,000 MT

For the fourth year in a row, lithium producer Zimbabwe maintained production of 1,000 MT. The country’s privately owned Bikita Minerals allegedly holds the world’s largest-known deposit of lithium at over 11 million tonnes, but the company has been the subject of a court battle. According to the US Geological Survey, the country’s total reserves stand at 23,000 MT.

Since former President Robert Mugabe’s resignation after 37 years, there has been great speculation as to the country’s potential in the lithium space. Winston Chitando, Zimbabwe’s new mining minister, said he believes the country has “the potential to actually account for 20 percent of global demand when all known lithium resources are being exploited.”

 

6. Portugal

Mine production: 400 MT

Portugal produces much less lithium than the five countries ahead of it on this list. Last year, it put out 400 MT of the metal, double its output from 2016.

Most of the country’s lithium comes from the Goncalo aplite-pegmatite field. Despite this lithium producer’s comparatively low output, its reserves are greater than Zimbabwe’s, at 60,000 MT. Miners may be onto this because 46 applications were reportedly submitted to the Portuguese government last year to explore and extract lithium in the nation.

7. Brazil

Mine production: 200 MT

The next largest lithium producer is Brazil, whose lithium production has come in at 200 MT three years running. While lithium reserves in Brazil are small, the country does have deposits in the Minas Gerais and Ceara areas. Again, its reserves are more impressive than its output, standing at 48,000 MT, so the country potentially has a long lifespan for lithium output at the current pace.

8. United States

Mine production: unknown

The final listing on our top lithium producers list is the US, which withheld production numbers to avoid disclosing proprietary company data. Its only output last year came from a Nevada-based brine operation, most likely in the Clayton Valley, which hosts Albemarle’s Silver Peak mine.

In recent news, Lithium Americas (TSX:LAC) has announced plans to develop its Thacker Pass lithium project in Nevada. With proven resources of 3.1 million tonnes, the company is claiming it is the largest deposit of lithium in the US. This project is a little different that most in that it’s the first lithium-from-clay operation, and requires new extraction technology.

 

Pitcher....I don't think they were listed up at the top. Just said they had a lot of it still in the ground....I heard or read it years ago and might have even been from a buddy that came back from a tour there.

 

Honestly, at this point I know or have heard more about Iraq and what they are doing or not doing than I have heard anything positive happening in Washington.

 

Karsten

[haymon]

But we love plastic....... and we can't make it from anything else, yet...

[Pitcher]

No problem. I was just showing the top producers. I had this in my saved articles for my trading.  Now if Iraq had rare earth minerals I would understand the need to keep it under our umbrella.  

[10 YEARS LATER]

6 hours ago, Pitcher said:

I put this in the Iraq news section because if Iraq doesn’t push the Damn RV button fairly soon the World will NOT need their oil.  There will always be a diminished need for oil (plastics, cheap energy for underdeveloped countries) but the days of holding the world hostage like OPEC did in 1974 and 1979 are just about over.

 

 By 2030 more than half of  the new cars sold will be EV.  The more EV vehicles on the road will result in a lowered demand for oil.  Iraq needs to get moving to exploit their oil wealth and diversify their economy while there is still a big demand.  EV technology is here to stay and as soon as someone builds a reliable EV PU Truck I’m all in too.  One of my good friends bought a Tesla last year and he absolutely loves it.  

 

SPOT ON BROTHER, SPOT ON 

["Fred"]

6 hours ago, Pitcher said:

I put this in the Iraq news section because if Iraq doesn’t push the Damn RV button fairly soon the World will NOT need their oil.  There will always be a diminished need for oil (plastics, cheap energy for underdeveloped countries) but the days of holding the world hostage like OPEC did in 1974 and 1979 are just about over.

 

 By 2030 more than half of  the new cars sold will be EV.  The more EV vehicles on the road will result in a lowered demand for oil.  Iraq needs to get moving to exploit their oil wealth and diversify their economy while there is still a big demand.  EV technology is here to stay and as soon as someone builds a reliable EV PU Truck I’m all in too.  One of my good friends bought a Tesla last year and he absolutely loves it.  

I owned a Prius for 7 years, went back to the gas guzzling suv last year, can’t wait to get another hybrid, if this thing ever pops I’d love a Tesla if it doesn’t I’ll be back in a brand new Prius , everyone should be driving a hybrid 🙂

[ChuckFinley]

I glad Porsche has one. I had a Porsche in my 20s while living in Germany and here in the States. There is no substitution.  

[ChuckFinley]

2 hours ago, ChuckFinley said:

I glad Porsche has one. I had a Porsche in my 20s while living in Germany and here in the States. There is no substitution.  

Darn auto correct. I glad Porsche has a Hybrid. I had a Porsche in my 20s while living in Germany and here in the States. There is no substitution.  

Edited January 27, 2019 by ChuckFinley

[Pitcher]

Who would give you a red ruby over liking a Porsche.  I evened you out. 

[CSM (R) Thack]

1 hour ago, Pitcher said:

Who would give you a red ruby over liking a Porsche.  I evened you out. 

???????????😡🥵

[ChuckFinley]

2 hours ago, Pitcher said:

Who would give you a red ruby over liking a Porsche.  I evened you out. 

I was thinking the samething. When this RV they will be the first to get one too.  

["Fred"]

20 hours ago, Pitcher said:

Who would give you a red ruby over liking a Porsche.  I evened you out. 

Probably a Kia owner 😀

[Pitcher]

That’s funny “Fred”