Trump to Iraqi PM: How about that oil?

[SocalDinar]

Trump to Iraqi PM: How about that oil?

 

Illustration: Lazaro Gamio/Axios

President Trump twice raised to the Iraqi prime minister the idea of repaying America for its wars with Iraqi oil, a highly controversial ask that runs afoul of international norms and logic, according to sources with direct knowledge.

Trump appears to have finally given up on this idea, but until now it hasn't been revealed that as president he's raised the concept twice with Iraq's prime minister and brought it up separately in the Situation Room with his national security team.

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In March last year, at the end of a White House meeting with Iraq's then-Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, Trump brought up the subject of taking oil from Iraq to reimburse the United States for the costs of the war there.

• "It was a very run-of-the-mill, low-key, meeting in general," a source who was in the room told Axios. "And then right at the end, Trump says something to the effect of, he gets a little smirk on his face and he says, 'So what are we going to do about the oil?'"

Between the lines: On the campaign trail, Trump complained that the U.S. had spent trillions in Iraq and lost thousands of lives but got "nothing" in return. He lamented that usually in war "to the victor belong the spoils" and he repeatedly said the U.S. should have seized Iraq's oilfields as reimbursement for the steep costs of the war. 

• Top national security figures from both parties condemned Trump's idea, calling it outrageous and unworkable — a violation of international law that would fuel the propaganda of America's foes. 

In the March meeting, the Iraqi prime minister replied, "What do you mean?" according to the source in the room. "And Trump's like, 'Well, we did a lot, we did a lot over there, we spent trillions over there, and a lot of people have been talking about the oil.'"

Al-Abadi "had clearly prepared," the source added, "and he said something like, 'Well, you know Mr. President, we work very closely with a lot of American companies and American energy companies have interests in our country,'" the source added. "He was smirking. And the president just kind of tapped his hand on the table as if to say 'I had to ask.'"

• "I remember thinking, 'Wow. He said it. He couldn't help himself,'" the source said.
• A second source who was in the room confirmed this account. "It was a look down and reach for your coffee moment," the second source said. 
• A third source, who was briefed at the time on the conversation between Trump and al-Abadi, said the back and forth "made its rounds" around the National Security Council. "It was still early on in the administration, and we were all still trying to figure out how this was going to go, and so it was one of those horror stories … he's really going to do this."

Why it matters: Trump's desire to raid Iraq's oil is illegal and unworkable. But it reveals a great deal about his approach to the Middle East. Trump remains hellbent on extracting payments from Middle Eastern countries, in the form of natural resources, for the trillions of dollars America has spent since the early 2000s. Bob Woodward and others have reported on the formal steps Trump took to push his team to extract rare minerals from Afghanistan as repayment for the war. (Security concerns have stymied that effort; though Afghan's leadership was more open to Trump's pitch than Iraq's leaders have been.)

Trump's national security team has mostly pushed back on or ignored these desires to raid Middle Eastern natural resources. The president raised the issue of oil again with al-Abadi on a phone call in the summer of 2017. The conversation was vague and didn’t go anywhere, but H.R. McMaster admonished Trump afterward, according to a source with direct knowledge.

• In the source's recollection, the former national security adviser said to Trump, "We can't do this and you shouldn't talk about it. Because talking about it is just bad," the source said, channeling McMaster, "It's bad for America's reputation, it'll spook allies, it scares everybody, and it makes us look like — I don't remember if he used words this harsh — like criminals and thieves, but that was the point he was trying to get across."
• "You won't be able to do it anyway and you'll harm our reputation and your own reputation just from talking about it."

Trump did not react kindly, the source said. "It was frustration that he was trying to get his advisers to do things that he wanted them to do and they were just pushing back."

The bottom line: It's not a one-time thing. Two sources described being in the Situation Room in 2017 with Trump, Defense Secretary Mattis and national security officials discussing Iraq. Both said Trump brought up the prospect of seizing Iraq's oil, and Mattis pushed back.

• "Trump was like, 'We're idiots,'" recalled one of the sources who was in the Situation Room for the conversation. "[Trump] was like, 'What are we doing there, what do we get out of this, why don't we take the oil?'... And then Mattis spoke up. Made the same point that H.R. made. There's no physical way to do it. It would be a violation of international law, it would be demoralizing for allies in the region, it would give our enemies propaganda — they'd be able to accuse us of theft."

Asked about our reporting, Pentagon chief spokeswoman Dana White said, "We do not discuss internal deliberations, and the secretary's advice and counsel to the president is private." And an NSC spokesperson said, "We do not comment on the details of the president's conversations with foreign leaders."

https://www.axios.com/trump-to-iraqi-pm-how-about-that-oil-1a31cbfa-f20c-4767-8d18-d518ed9a6543.html

[Markinsa]

13 minutes ago, SocalDinar said:

In the source's recollection, the former national security adviser said to Trump, "We can't do this and you shouldn't talk about it. Because talking about it is just bad," the source said, channeling McMaster, "It's bad for America's reputation, it'll spook allies, it scares everybody, and it makes us look like — I don't remember if he used words this harsh — like criminals and thieves, but that was the point he was trying to get across."

 

If you don't ask, you'll be lucky to get the scraps... Trump is right, we've spent way too much over there and not expect to be compensated...

 

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[cranman]

Soooooo............the plan to repay the US was oil and not the RV?

[10 YEARS LATER]

These guys aren't going to give the game away . . . there are going to be quite a few " fairy tales " told before we actually see the truth of it all.

[82Corp.]

I don't believe any of this...

 

It's never been the plan to take Iraq's oil nor will it be.  If the price of oil drops it would pressure Iraq to add value to its currency.

[Floridian]

Trump is always looking to take the oil.  I heard him say that myself (on television).  This makes me think that he really doesn't have any dinar, as the rumors go, and probably there are no dinar at the U.S. Treasury (another rumor).   If there were, he wouldn't be looking to take the oil.  The Treasury would have enough dinar (upon revaluation) to pay off the National Debt.  I'm not too happy reading this article!

[Synopsis]

One thing that crossed my mind after reading some recent articles posted here is there may be a whole host of international entities with THEIR straw in the Bicraqi Iraqi oil and are pilfering the funds for THEIR own corrupt pockets.

 

So.............................The True The United States Of America Patriot President Donald J Trump is planning to truncate ALL the corrupt entities with THEIR straw in the Bicraqi Iraqi oil by laying claim to the ENTIRE Bicraqi Iraqi oil pool.

 

Then.........................AFTER ALL the corrupt straws are pulled and the holes cemented shut, The True The United States Of America Patriot President Donald J Trump returns the ENTIRE Bicraqi Iraqi oil pool to the Bicraqi Iraqi AND instates the appropriate reparations agreements TO INCLUDE the $32/barrel Bicraqi Iraqi oil credit.

 

Just some thoughts. ONLY thoughts.

 

In The Mean Time......................................................

 

Go Moola Nova!

[Floridian]

51 minutes ago, Synopsis said:

 

So.............................The True The United States Of America Patriot President Donald J Trump is planning to truncate ALL the corrupt entities with THEIR straw in the Bicraqi Iraqi oil by laying claim to the ENTIRE Bicraqi Iraqi oil pool.

 

 

Gee, Synopsis, that sounds so far-fetched to me.

[Texstorm]

Iraq is and has been paid for with American Solders life's ! F... Them and President D-REX Trump will make sure they pay. It wasn't the Iraqi citizens fault and Saddam got his head popped off... just the way it is and was. We deserve the spoiles of war , as a nation and they need to get their Shiite together ! Like Now.. Like ASAP ! I honestly don't know if it can happen. But right now they ain't got a choice ! No way in hell we are going to turn that back to the terrorist ! No way in hell ! Just the way it is ! 

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[Engine1]

2 hours ago, cranman said:

Soooooo............the plan to repay the US was oil and not the RV?

That is exactly what I was thinking. Why RV and make everyone rich when you can pay off debts with oil and not go broke doing it.  Oh yes Cranman I accidentally neg'd you. Dang fat fingers and small phone.  

Edited November 26, 2018 by Engine1
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[Synopsis]

29 minutes ago, Floridian said:

 

Gee, Synopsis, that sounds so far-fetched to me.

 

1 hour ago, Synopsis said:

Just some thoughts. ONLY thoughts.

 

In The Mean Time......................................................

 

Go Moola Nova!

 

Floridian, AND The Very Best Of Your Week To You!!! 

 

Go Moola Nova!

[cranman]

32 minutes ago, Engine1 said:

That is exactly what I was thinking. Why RV and make everyone rich when you can pay off debts with oil and not go broke doing it.  Oh yes Cranman I accidentally neg'd you. Dang fat fingers and small phone.  

I do that alot and say the same thing. No worries.  I really hate it when I send a dumb emoji accidently as well. 

[Texstorm]

Just the way it is and going to be !

[Jaygo]

This article should be in rumors section. 

[psdon]

7 minutes ago, Jaygo said:

This article should be in rumors section. 

YES SIR

[Floridian]

34 minutes ago, Jaygo said:

This article should be in rumors section. 

 

No, it's all over the news.  I just saw it on Mediaite .com

[wciappetta]

That doesn't make it news...

[yota691]

 

Trump is "reprimanded" for his request to compensate America for oil for its war in Iraq

 

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According to US sources, on Monday that US President Donald Trump has been subjected to "reprimand" for his request from former Prime Minister Haider al - Abadi to compensate the United States for the oil war in Iraq.

At the end of March, Trump put forward the idea of compensating the costs of the US war in Iraq during his meeting with Abadi at the end of their meeting at the White House. 

"It was a very ordinary meeting, and then finally," Trump said with a smile on his face, "what are we going to do about oil?" Said a source in the meeting room. 

According to a source in the conference room, Abadi responded to Trump, saying "What do you mean?" 

"Well, you know, Mr. President, that we are working closely with," said Trump. "Well, we did a lot, we did a lot there, we spent trillions there, and a lot of people talk about oil. Many American companies and US energy companies have interests in our country. "

Before last March's meeting, Trump put the same issue to Abadi in a phone call in the summer of 2017, without getting anything, to be rebuked by his former national security adviser Herbert McMaster for "because it is bad for the reputation of the United States," according to Axius. 

Trump seems to have given up on this idea, but prominent national security figures from both the Republican and Democratic parties have denounced the Trump idea, describing it as anomalous and inapplicable, and a violation of international law. 

In his campaign for the presidential election, Trump complained that the United States had spent trillions in Iraq, lost thousands of lives, but had received nothing in return. 

He has repeatedly said that the United States should have seized Iraqi oil fields as compensation for the high costs of the war.

[yota691]

Trump Abadi: We want oil to cover the cost of the war in Iraq

03:56 - 26/11/2018

 

 

 

BAGHDAD ( 
Reuters) - US President Donald Trump has asked former Iraqi Prime Minister Haidar al-Abadi to give oil to Washington to cover up the cost of its war on Iraq in 2003 
, according to White House sources. "President Trump has twice raised The Iraqi government the idea of America's payment of its wars with Iraqi oil, a controversial question that runs counter to international standards and logic. " 
"It seems that Trump has finally given up this idea, but so far it has not been revealed that as president he raised the concept twice with the Iraqi prime minister and brought him separately in the operating room with the national security team." 
The sources pointed out that "
"It was a very rough, low-level meeting, and in the end, Trump says something that affects it, he gets a little smile on his face and says," What are we going to do about oil? " 
Trump complained that the United States had spent trillions in Iraq and lost thousands of lives, but had received nothing" in return. "He regretted that he was usually in the war" to the victor involves spoils, "and repeatedly said that the United States It should have seized Iraq's oil fields as compensation for the steep costs of the war, 
and prominent national security figures from both parties denounced the Trump idea as anomalous and inapplicable - a violation of international law that would fuel propaganda for America's enemies.
At the March meeting, the Iraqi prime minister replied, "What do you mean?" According to the source in the room. "Like Trump," Well, we did a lot, we did a lot there, we spent trillions there, and a lot of people were talking about oil. "Abadi was clearly prepared." 
"Well, you know, we work closely with a lot of American companies, and US energy companies have interests in our country," he said. "He was smiling. The president would pick his hand on the table as if to say, "I had to ask." 
"I remember thinking about it, he said it, he can not help himself," the source said. 
Another source in the room confirmed this calculation. The second source said: "It was a look down the moment you have coffee."
A third source, briefed at the time on the conversation between Trump and Abbadi, said that back and forth "made his rounds" about the National Security Council. "He was still early in the administration, and we were all still trying to figure out how this would happen, so it was one of those horror stories ... he would actually do that." 
Trump's desire to raid Iraqi oil is illegal and unworkable. But it reveals much about his approach to the Middle East. Trump still trumps payments from the Middle East, in the form of natural resources, to the trillions of dollars that America has spent since the early decade of this century. Bob Woodward and others reported on Trump's official moves to push his team to extract rare metals from Afghanistan to pay for the war. (Security concerns have thwarted this effort; although the Afghan leadership has been more open to Trump's account of Iraqi leaders.)
Trump's national security team has often pushed or ignored these desires to raid natural resources in the Middle East. Trump raised the issue of oil again with Abadi on a phone call in the summer of 2017, and the conversation was vague and did not go anywhere. 
"We can not do this, and you should not talk about it, because the talk about this is bad," said the former national security adviser to Trump. "It's bad for America's reputation, it's going to bother the allies, scare everyone, and it makes us look like - I do not remember if he uses the words of these hardcore criminals and thieves, but that's the point he was trying to get," McMaster said.

[Texstorm]

Take the damn oil fields ! 

[NeedRv]

13 hours ago, cranman said:

Soooooo............the plan to repay the US was oil and not the RV?

It was going to be BOTH... the US was going to make out like a bandit.... "Supposedly" the US has quite a bit of Dinar stashed and then being repaid with OIL... 2 birds ....ONE stone... MUCHO DINERO!!!! 🤑

[Mxmann]

25 minutes ago, NeedRv said:

It was going to be BOTH... the US was going to make out like a bandit.... "Supposedly" the US has quite a bit of Dinar stashed and then being repaid with OIL... 2 birds ....ONE stone... MUCHO DINERO!!!! 🤑

Dont u mean, MUCHO DINARO, which will be = to MUCHO DINERO???

[zzztop]

"Sources" lol

 

[screwball]

A couple of questions, is the rumour about dinar being printed in five different countries true? What happens if these countries are holding dinar? What about the billions of dollars transferred from the Us treasury to Iraq Cbi back in 2003 and 2004 were in exchange for dinar? What happens if they use dinar to buy oil?

[screwball]

Have we also forgotten about geitner and Obama’s comment about the war costing them nothing! And that the national debt will be cleared or comments by Hillarious Clinton about Iraq becoming an economic powerhouse? Or the comments by trump that they owe the us trillions for the cost of war and lost of lives(his words) and they will repay 

Edited November 26, 2018 by screwball