Parliamentary power: Kurds did not provide a convincing justification for non-commitment to pay oil money

[10 YEARS LATER]

ITS TIME TO PLAY . . . " LETS MAKE A DEAL " 

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God that's a lot of reading

my eyes hurt

 

need to set up Coles notes or the movie

easier to get it all in

[tigergorzow]

Govt. 'not in position to school us about constitution it violated': Barzani

August 21 2017 07:34 PM

Barzani

 

 

President of Kurdistan region Masoud Barzani said on Monday the federal government is not in position to talk of respecting the constitution it violated on numerous occasions. 

The Iraqi constitution itself stipulates that 'Iraq's unity hinges on applying all its provisions, Barzani added.

We should put an end to this dilemma.  We should choose either to stay under Baghdad's control, or may we choose independence, he further stated.

He reiterated that the referendum will not be delayed at any rate.

Kurdistan will hold the independence referendum on September 25th. 

 

http://www.thebaghdadpost.com/en/story/16007/Govt-not-in-position-to-school-us-about-constitution-it-violated-Barzani

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Masrour Barzani: If Statehood Is a Risk, Subordination Is a Catastrophe

Basnews English

22/08/2017 - 10:18

Interviews

 

 

 

ERBIL — Chancellor of Kurdistan Region Security Council, Masrour Barzani, said in an exclusive interview with BasNews that the greatest risk for Kurds is to remain under the rule of Baghdad and that the independence referendum set for 25th September this year is a decision made by the people of Kurdistan Region.

The top Kurdish security official also said that Kurds know better than anyone else when is the right time for holding the independence vote and stepping towards statehood.

[This interview was translated from Kurdish]

 

Bas: Mr. Masrour Barzani, the people of Kurdistan, including those who support the independence referendum and those who openly oppose it, see a confidence  in President Barzani, you and the Kurdistan Democratic Party for making the vote a success. Could you please explain why are you so confident?

Barzani: First of all, confidence grows within ourselves, and independence is our natural and legitimate right. The greatest problem is when we doubt this right and we lose confidence about our capability to claim this right. People cannot prevent us, but they will also respect us better if we have confidence in ourselves and do not agree to anything smaller than what we are entitled to. His excellency Mr. President has inspired confidence to the people of Kurdistan that they are equal to every other nation. We seek God’s help and the support of the people of Kurdistan only; and I do believe that we will gain this right if our people believe that they are equal to others. Other states establish their relations based on their interests, and it is in no one’s interest to stand against the people of Kurdistan in a long term. Therefore, the referendum is the voice of our people, and I am confident that people would make it a success.

 

Bas: You recently participated in a conference in the United States titled “The Kurdistan Region: Strategic US ally in a tough neighborhood”. There where influential Americans, members of Congress and retired army generals, all of whom were in favour of Kurdistan’s independence. How such supportive views could impact the official position of the United States on the upcoming referendum in Kurdistan?

Barzani: The United States of America takes public opinion across the country into consideration. Many prominent political and military officials, congressmen and experienced people attended the conference, and they openly expressed their support for the referendum and independence of Kurdistan. The people in key positions and policymakers in the United States asses the public opinion, therefore, the more we gain the support of the people of United States, the greater we may influence the country’s official position [on this issue].

 

Bas: At the same event, the protection of Kurdistan after the eradication of the Islamic State (IS) was discussed. There were also discussions over the deployment of military forces of Western countries in the Kurdistan Region. Is there any concrete plan for that?

Barzani: We have common interests with the United States, one of them is fighting extremism and terrorism. The war against Da’esh [Islamic State] was being led from Kurdistan, and we, as a main ally, could score victories [in the campaign]. Therefore, we [Kurdistan and the US] would need each other so as to protect our common interests in the future, especially at a time that the Middle East is stepping towards an uncertain future which also opposes West’s interests and principles. This puts Kurdistan in an outstanding position, and we, certainly, need to seize this opportunity and make decisions based on common interests.

    

Bas: Have you done anything to gain the support of state members of the Security Council for the September independence referendum?

Barzani: We have frankly spoken to the state members of the UN Security Council to gain their support or, at least, persuade them to not oppose the right [of Kurds to statehood] which has also been defined in the Charter of the UN. However, we need to put in a greater deal of effort in order to win greater support. Internal opposition is the greatest mistake to give other countries an excuse to not support us as much as they should. Therefore, the primary responsibility lies on the people of Kurdistan: the stronger the internal backing, the easier gaining international support.

 

Bas: What is your response to the countries voicing concern over the timing of the independence referendum? They claim to be in favour of referendum, but not on 25th September as scheduled.

Barzani: This is only an excuse when they claim that the timing [of Kurdistan’s independence referendum] is not appropriate, because the arguments they put forward are irrelevant to the referendum. It is not easy for a country to believe in democracy and, at the same time, oppose the referendum. Hopping to satisfy the regional states and not the people of Kurdistan, some countries assume that they are able to pressure Kurds to overlook their rights. Those who have violated our rights seek such violations to continue. 

We need to gain the right ourselves. We need to decide on the timing [of independence referendum] ourselves, and do not wait for other countries to tell us when it is suitable. Those countries who decided on independence, whom did they asked for permission? This would be our mistake to think that deciding on our fate needs other country’s consent. I do believe that the timing is suitable. 

 

Bas: Some countries use the ‘protection of Iraq’s unity’ as an excuse to stand against Kurdistan’s independence. What the components of Iraq should expect if the country is kept together as it is now?

Barzani: Kurds have been compelled into Iraq without their own will. Forcing nations and countries [to live together] leads to conflicts and war only; and Iraq, for instance, cannot be better than it has been so far. Therefore, they shouldn’t grieve for a ‘united Iraq’ as it has actually never existed. Other parts of Iraq may stay together if they desire so, but no one can keep us with Iraq forever as the share of our people has been merely oppression and persecution in Iraq.

Indeed, Kurds cannot be asked to maintain the unity of Iraq as the Shi’ite and Sunni [Arabs] are already divided. A united Iraq has practically failed, and the only option available is to live as friendly neighbours with each side having its independent state.

 

Bas: Some of the friendly countries of Kurdistan have shown their support for the imminent independence vote. What kind of sovereign state they expect Kurdistan to be?

Barzani: The countries which support Kurdistan’s independence value the religious and ethnic coexistence in Kurdistan, and they commend [Kurdistan’s] effort to establish democracy. They also highlight the security and stability in Kurdistan as well as the role of the Peshmerga forces. On the other hand, they believe that [future independent] Kurdistan would be able to improve the regional economy and develop strategic relations with them.

 

Bas: Have you expressed your concern about those countries which have been opposing the September referendum in Kurdistan? Germany for example, a country which has been hugely supporting Kurdistan’s Peshmerga forces in their battle against Islamic State.

Barzani: Yes, and we have been working on explaining to them the reasons behind the [Kurdistan’s] decision to hold a referendum and step towards independence. We have noticed that there are political factions in those countries [which oppose the independence vote in Kurdistan] who have different views and many of them support us.

 

Bas: How important is the international support for Kurdistan’s independence referendum? Is it crucial at this stage or when the "Yes" vote wins and independence is declared?

Barzani: Referendum requires the will of the people of Kurdistan and not the support and permission of others. However, it would obviously benefit the process if joined by international support. Referendum is actually asking people about their will, while the prime goal is independence, for which the international support is of significant importance. 

 

Bas: How can you ensure Turkey and Iran that an independent Kurdistan on their borders would not pose any threat to their countries?

Barzani: Our neighbours should realise that Kurdistan is not a source of threat to any of them, and we have proven that throughout years of Kurdistan Region’s governance when we [positively] impacted their economy. On the other hand, the establishment of the Kurdistan state is more likely to improve the relations between the nations [in the region].

 

Bas: Politically influential Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, and Morocco are friends of Kurds. Do they have a positive view on the issue?

Barzani: Many Arab countries and influential figures have a positive attitude towards Kurdistan’s right to self-determination; and they believe it is an internal issue in Iraq for which they support a comprehensive solution.

 

Bas: It is said that Iran and Turkey are likely to close down their border crossings with Kurdistan, block the rivers flowing into Kurdistan, and cut their relations with Erbil if the referendum is held. Do you expect such a reaction from Ankara and Tehran?

Barzani: I hope they don’t, because such moves won’t benefit either sides. The independence of Kurdistan cannot be rejected for ever, and our neighbours are well experienced and they take their future ties and interests into consideration.

 

Bas: How can you guarantee the success of the independence referendum across the Kurdistani areas outside the Kurdistan Regional Government?

Barzani: You just said the Kurdistani areas; and our confidence comes from the Kurdistani background of these areas from geographic, historic, and demographic point of views. Also, the huge participation of the people [in these areas] gives more confidence, especially in those territories which are liberated and protected by the Peshmerga forces.

 

Bas: Across Kurdistan, including the Kurdish areas outside KRG, are various ethnic and religious components. There are Turkmens, Assyrian and Chaldean Christians, Shi’ite and Sunni Arabs, Yezidis, Shi’ite Kurds, Kakayis, Shabaks, Zoroastrians, Jews, and Bahayees. How can you ensure all these people that their rights will be protected and an independent state of Kurdistan would be a country for all? What is your message for them to take part in the independence referendum on 25th September?

Barzani: The referendum is for all ethnic and religious components of Kurdistan. President Barzani previously advocated the rights of the minorities during the preparation of the Iraqi constitution; and, certainly, their rights will be preserved in an independent state of Kurdistan. I also hope that these components [of Kurdistan] participate and support the referendum and they enjoy all their rights preserved by the constitution of [the future] independent Kurdistan.

 

Bas: Some countries encourage Kurdistan to postpone the referendum. We would like to hear your opinion and the official position of the Kurdistan Democratic Party on this issue. Would you agree to postpone the referendum for any reason or under any circumstances?

Barzani: I see postponement of the referendum as a wrong decision. Why it should be postponed? What changes it may bring if delayed? I believe that wasting time is not in our interest, and those who work against the referendum may bring further problems. The same people would criticise the supporters of the referendum for postponing it. Why should we put the referendum off if there is no better option?

 

Bas: It has been discussed earlier that the referendum will not necessarily be followed by the declaration of independence. The situation is changing constantly. Is there any threat to the declaration of independence expected to occur after the results of the referendum?

Barzani: If your people are firmly committed to deciding on independence, neither time nor anyone could prevent them. The negotiations which will follow the referendum should discuss the ways to implement [people’s decision], for which a peaceful path is desired. Iraq’s position on the timing and mechanisms of declaration of independence is also important. I hope Iraq positively receives the decision made by our people.

 

Bas: How do you see the position of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan on the referendum?

Barzani: We expect the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, with all its internal factions, to practically support the referendum.

 

Bas: Have you done anything to convince the Kurdistan Islamic Group to join you in supporting the independence referendum?

Barzani: We would like all the [political] parties to support the referendum and give priority to the interests of Kurdistan and the people.

 

 

Bas: If Kurdistan Region’s Parliament is called back into sessions, is there a guarantee that the case of referendum would not have the same fate as the constitution had?

Barzani: The people of Kurdistan should stand against any political faction playing with their fate.

 

Bas: Kurdish political parties in other parts of Kurdistan have expressed support to the independence referendum in the Kurdistan Region. What a positive impact this backing can have on the referendum?

Barzani: We value their support and nothing less was expected. It lifts the spirit to make it a success while ensures other countries that Kurdistan would be a good neighbour to them.

 

Bas: After the 25th of September was announced as the day for independence vote, two groups of opposition emerged in Kurdistan Region: one openly opposes to even holding the referendum, and they have launched a "No"-campaign; the other believes that  independence could put Kurdistan in a vulnerable position. Do you see these two groups different?

Barzani: Any excuse for opposing the referendum is void and false, and it goes against the interests of our people. Perhaps some of those who oppose [the independence referendum] are struggling to protect their own financial or political interests with the Iraqi government or any other country, because they see their position in remaining [within Iraq] whereas their personal interests might be lost with the statehood of Kurdistan.

Some others may lack confidence to stand up, and they prefer living under other’s rule for freedom. Fear is the main reason for failure. Those who lack the courage look for excuses because they cannot stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the braves and courageous.

 

Bas: How can you ensure the people of Kurdistan that their future won’t be put at risk by holding the referendum and, consequently, declaring independence?

Barzani: The greatest risk is to accept subordination, and history witnesses what we have gone through. Genocides, chemical attacks, Anfal [campaign] were carried out against our people; no one protected us because we were not a nation with a sovereign country. If we are an independent state, according to international laws, any threat against Kurdistan will bring an international reaction. On the other hand, an independent Kurdistan would be able to make decisions about its defence, economy and diplomatic relations based on its interests. Is there a country giving up its sovereignty in order to avoid taking risks? If independence is a risk, subordination certainly is a catastrophe.

 

Bas: People blame the Kurdistan Regional Government for some issues occurring or not addressed during its 26-year of governance. How it can be guaranteed that an independent Kurdistan’s governance would tackle all these issues?

Barzani: Deficiency in the Kurdistan Regional Government cannot be denied, whereas there has been achievements and progression too. We have been critical of the governance and, especially, of the economy [of the Kurdistan Region]. Conflicts between the political parties have also impacted the performance of the government.

In a sovereign country, the main responsibility of the government is to protect the country and improve the welfare of its people. But, above all, comes blocking other country’s interventions in its internal affairs, which usually is the reason behind the other problems in the country. Also, in an independent Kurdistan, the interests of our country comes prior to everything else, and we are no longer obliged to remain committed to the preservation of other people’s interests. I believe that the constitution of a future independent Kurdistan would address such issues so as to establish a developed country.

 

Bas: As claimed by some media outlets, do you think the "No"-vote could win in Sulaymaniyah province?

Barzani: I don’t think so. I believe the people of Sulaymaniyah will never allow anyone to bring shame on the history of their city. 

 

Bas: As the top security official in Kurdistan, do you think the threat of IS is eradicated?

Barzani: Da’esh [Islamic State] is militarily on the brink of collapse, but its extremist ideology may not be eradicated very soon. Da’esh’s threat or the threat of similar groups continues, but they may differ.

 

Bas: How do you see the future of Hashd al-Shaabi in Iraq?

Barzani: This is an issue related to Iraq. I believe that the Iraqi government develops the Hashd al-Shaabi in order to protect its governing system.

 

Bas: During his 50-years of struggle for Kurdistan, President Barzani has become an iconic figure for the independence of Kurdistan. His struggle is connected with the Kurdish movements of freedom. Therefore, the Kurdistan Democratic Party is sometimes criticised for showing this national leader as the party’s figure. Do you think this criticism is valid?

Barzani: The Kurdistan Democratic Party is proud of president Barzani’s leadership, struggle [for Kurdistan] and his achievements. I do not agree with the statements claiming that the KDP shows President Barzani as a political character representing the party only; because people from different parts of Kurdistan all view president Barzani as a nationalist leader of Kurdistan.

 

Bas: You are also a leading member of the KDP. If the "Yes"-vote wins in the independence referendum and statehood is declared later, will the KDP remain as it is now or it reconsiders its goals, structure, policies, etc… In other words, what would be the necessity for the KDP to remain active and serve the independent state of Kurdistan?

Barzani: The KDP adapts itself to the current stages, and has so far succeeded in dealing with every situation. In an independent Kurdistan, it is required to adapt itself to the new situation. The KDP’s agenda after statehood of Kurdistan would be developing a system to help the establishment of a democratic, stable and peaceful country in which the national achievements are preserved and ethno-religious coexistence developed.

 

http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/interviews/372695

[yota691]

Read on the visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad

22/8/2017 12:00 am    Baghdad / Sabah  The Kurdish delegation that visited Baghdad recently consisted of the following personalities: Rose Nuri Shaways President, and the membership of (Fouad Hussein, head of the Office of the Presidency of the Territory, Saadi Bira spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Mohammad Ahmed member of the leadership of the Islamic Union, Hakkari, a member of the Kurdish parliament for the Christian component, and Vayan Dakhil member of parliament for the Yazidi component), and the absence of the Change Party and the   Islamic Group.  Among the points noted by the observers for the formation of the Kurdish delegation is the absence of a representative of the movement (change) and no representative of the (Islamic Group), these human beings form a large population of Kurds, and constitute politically a large proportion of the political and partisan work in the region, Means that the delegation was «partisan», according to what was said the head of the (Change) in the House of Representatives Sarwa Abdel Wahid, does not represent the delegation of the Parliament of the province of the disabled.  "The reference between us and you is the Constitution, and if you say that the Constitution in which paragraphs allow you to secede by reference to the Federal Court in the interpretation of the Constitution and we accept its interpretation or return to the United Nations and the Iraqi public opinion," Mr. Ammar al-Hakim, stressed «the dialogue in resolving all the problems before To reach the separation and stressed the unity of Iraq and that Kirkuk is a city for all segments of Iraq », which implies rejection of the separation and the annexation of the disputed areas, as well as the position of all local political parties, as the position of the embassies of States in Baghdad, has announced Russian Ambassador to Iraq Maxim Maximov, Russia's position with and The Saudi charge d'affaires Abdullah al-Shammari, told the delegation that "Saudi Arabia with the choices of Iraqis, a sign that suggests no intervention," a US official demanded to postpone the referendum.  the influence".

[Butifldrm]

Barzani: referendum will not postpone one minute and Peshmerga applied Article 140 of the Constitution

 

 Twilight News    

 

 one hour ago

"The President of the Kurdistan Region Massoud Barzani on Tuesday not to postpone the referendum of the Kurdistan Region on the date scheduled to be held on 25 September next.

"We will bear anything, but we will not delay the referendum even if only for one minute," Barzani said in a speech during a meeting with representatives of Christians, Yazidis, Turkmen, Armenians and other components in the Kurdistan Region today in Erbil.

"There are those who say that the referendum is not in the interest of Iraq and the region, and we tell them that postponing the referendum is not in the interest of the Kurds as well."

On Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution, which concerns the disputed areas between Erbil and Baghdad, Barzani said that "the Peshmerga forces have applied this article courageously."

Barzani said that "the referendum will not affect in any way the war against the organization is calling," saying that "the Iraqi constitution has granted us the right of independence."

He pointed out that "all components of the Kurdistan Region will participate in writing the Constitution of the independent state," pointing out

that "the system of government in the State of Kurdistan will not be federal."

http://www.shafaaq.com/ar/Ar_NewsReader/2c16e703-f5f7-497e-a091-5cfb533af9a6

 

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[Integrativedoc]

I'm telling you, this is their only bargaining piece to force Baghdad to do what they are supposed to do. Who will blink? Find out Sept 24th. Same bat time, same bat channel!

[gregp]

So statehood correct?

[yota691]

 

 

 

The Kurds are settling their case with Baghdad ... Barzani is rising from his tone

 

Baghdad Aktham Saif al - Din

22 August 2017

The Presidency of the Kurdistan Region , on Wednesday, its position on the results of talks held by its delegation in Baghdad with the central government on the outstanding issues between the parties, while the head of the province of his tone against Baghdad and urged to invest the opportunity and hold a referendum.

 

The leader of the "Patriotic Union of Kurdistan , " Saadi Bira, in a press statement, "The visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad was aimed at dialogue with political and government parties and inform them to hold the referendum on schedule," noting that "the delegation did not have any red line with Any Iraqi party, and that what is important to us is the principles established by the new Iraq, which has not been complied with and violated many of the provisions of the Iraqi Constitution, and neglected texts that require application.

 

Bira added that "it was decided at the meeting to form a joint body to provide a range of suggestions," noting that "the Kurdistan Referendum Council will hold a meeting tomorrow to resolve the situation of the results of the visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad."

For his part, the head of the Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani, from his tone against Baghdad, Barzani said in a speech during an expanded meeting held today with representatives of the components of the Kurdistan region, "The current opportunity before us have not seen the same before, and that the referendum is a bold decision" .

 

"  Barzani: We work for the formation of a state in which all components of their rights  "

 

 Barzani added that "we are working for the formation of a state in which all components of their rights, and that the referendum will end all tragic events," noting that "the mentality of the rulers of Baghdad did not see any change, and violated 55 articles of the Iraqi constitution."

 

Promised "Baghdad's decision to cut the salaries of Kurdistan and the budget is a second act of anfal," asserting that "our delegation told Baghdad that we will be good neighbors."

 

It is noteworthy that the Kurdish delegation that visited Baghdad last week did not reach any agreement with the central government on the outstanding issues between the parties, as the parties stuck to their intransigent positions, prompting the Kurds to consider the referendum as a red line can not be postponed and push a new crisis in the country.

[WaitIsOver]

Article 140...budget amendments finished and ratified.. hmmmmm I'm feeling good baby

[nannab]

[ComPLX]

On 8/19/2017 at 5:27 AM, yota691 said:

"Washington is trying to persuade Baghdad to provide adequate guarantees to Erbil to postpone the referendum."

 

Saaaaay.....Article 140 perhaps?

[yota691]

2013/08/23 (00:01 PM)   -   Number of readings: 119   -   Number (4003)

 

 

Barzani: One round of talks does not solve our differences with Baghdad

 Baghdad / Range 
 

Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani said on Tuesday that one round of negotiations with Baghdad does not solve everything, describing the referendum decision as a "bold decision." He stressed not to postpone the referendum scheduled for September 25 next. 
The Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani, in a speech during a meeting with representatives of religious and ethnic minorities in Erbil, and continued (range), "We want to have constitutional guarantees of the components in Kurdistan." 
Barzani added that "our delegation in Baghdad was not negotiating the failure of the federal system, but explained our vision after the referendum," pointing out that "the referendum on independence is to prevent bloodshed in the future, and we want to live in peace as neighbors with Iraq."
Barzani pointed out that "independent Kurdistan can have a stronger economy, better military equipment, and that Kurdistan is a strong ally of all." "We have tried for 100 years to live in partnership with Iraq, and now we want to achieve independence through peace." 
"We are realistic and we know that through one round of talks with Baghdad, everything can not be resolved," he said. 
Barzani stressed not to postpone the referendum on independence. He stressed that "the decision of the referendum was a bold decision, and it is very dangerous to wait for Baghdad and not to hold the referendum." 
"The Kurds have agreed to partnership with Iraq to open a new page, but unfortunately there has been no change in the mentality of power in Baghdad, and I think they will ask us in the future to return to the Green Line during the rule of Saddam Hussein."
"We want to resolve the issues with Baghdad through understanding, so that both parties relax," stressing that "the Iraqi constitution allows us to determine our fate." 
This came a day after the return of the Kurdish delegation negotiator to Erbil after a week of talks with the political blocs in Baghdad. 
In turn, explained Saadi Ahmed Bira, spokesman for the Kurdistan region delegation to Baghdad, the results of talks with political forces. 
"I would like to clarify the results of our visit to Baghdad to avoid publishing fabricated news," Bira told a news conference in Arbil and his administration. He added that "the delegation consists of representatives of most of the components of Kurdistan, except change and the Islamic Group, and our visit to Baghdad was to open and engage in dialogue with the Iraqi authorities and inform them that we decided to hold the referendum on September 25 next."
"We did not have any red line with any Iraqi party since the delegation was received by the Presidency of the Council of Ministers and then met Prime Minister Haider Abadi in a meeting lasted for 3 hours was talked about a lot of issues and reasons for the holding of the referendum." 
"It was decided at the meeting to form a joint body to submit a set of proposals." "We met with Messrs. Fuad Masoum, Nuri al-Maliki, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, Ammar al-Hakim, the Sadrist movement, Salim al-Jubouri, the Communist Party and the Fadhila Party, and a large number of parties and ambassadors of the permanent states of the Security Council and the neighboring Arab countries 
.
The leader of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan "at the meeting held on August 16 with the National Alliance, we agreed to prepare a paper on the reasons for access to the situation, and we met again on Sunday in the presence of nine parties in the National Alliance, which is a majority in parliament and the government "We discussed the lack of guarantees and the lack of implementation of the constitution, especially article 140, and we chose some items to discuss separately and communicate them to the political leadership in the coalition. In return, we submit these issues to the Supreme Council for the referendum, which will meet tomorrow (today) to resolve the situation. "As long as we can not live as one family, especially after the recent deterioration of the economic situation, the loss of hope in the relations between Baghdad and Erbil, the loss of confidence in the Iraqi government and the despair of the region of some practices," Bira said.
On the objections of regional and international parties, said a member of the delegation of Kurdistan, "It is natural that foreign countries do not directly and explicitly support the establishment of the State of Kurdistan, but these countries deal with the reality as happened in Yugoslavia," noting that "the last decision belongs to the people of Kurdistan and must be interpreted Things are positive. "

[yota691]

After Abadi .. Maliki "threatens" Barzani's delegation to "military intervention"!

The political scene  Wednesday 23 August 2017 at 14:20 pm (770 views)

After Abadi .. Maliki "threatens" Barzani's delegation to "military intervention"!

 

Baghdad / Sky Press: m

 Denied the leadership of the Islamic Dawa Party, Salah Abdul Razzaq, Wednesday, published by Agence newspaper on the need for Baghdad "to the military solutions, the imposition of the Kurdistan region referendum in the disputed areas."

"The issue of the referendum is unconstitutional, and if we need it, we must change the constitution," Abdul Razzaq said in an interview with Sky Press. "The visit of the Kurdish delegation to the leader of a coalition of state law, Nuri al-Maliki, saw the subject of the referendum and its importance. Suffering from the region. "

"The answer of a coalition of state law to the Kurdish delegation was clear not to oppose the referendum if allowed by the Constitution, and must amend the Constitution before the referendum by a constitutional committee."

Abdul-Razzaq said that "the Kurdish delegation is asked to meet Maliki, not as the most common," explaining that "Maliki told the delegation to resort to the federal government in the absence of giving Baghdad constitutional rights."

"A coalition of state law informed the Kurdish negotiating team that the central government may have to resort to military solutions in the disputed areas to prevent violation of the constitution and the law in the event of an attempt to impose," Abdul Razzaq said. The de facto situation of the Kurdish side in those areas. "

He added that "the Kurds will face the isolation and marginalization of regional and international in the event of a referendum."

The Kurdistan region, sent last week, a political delegation to Baghdad, to discuss with officials, on the referendum on independence, scheduled for the 25 of this month.

[Butifldrm]

 

 

Inside Story - Can Iraq's Kurdish region gain independence?

[Indraman]

22 hours ago, gregp said:

So statehood correct?

 

This is a referendum to form new Kurdish state (country), not a state under the control of Baghdad. We in Dinar Land don't want this, IMHO, as this would surely dilute the long-term value of the IQD.

 

However, as many on this thread have already stated, this is a great bargaining tool the Kurdish Government has to get the final "binding" agreements in place with Baghdad.

 

Indy 

[yota691]

High Committee for the referendum in Kurdistan held its meeting to discuss the results of her delegation's visit to Baghdad

 Twilight News    

 

 2 hours ago

 

 

In the presence of Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani, the Supreme Committee for the referendum in the region just a few days ago in the resort of "Birmam" to hold a meeting to discuss the results of her delegation's visit to Baghdad.

According to leaks, the meeting will discuss a report prepared by the delegation about his meetings and meetings with the three presidencies, the parties and the Iraqi political forces and representatives of the embassies of the State and the United Nations Mission in Baghdad.

The delegation will also submit proposals submitted by the ruling National Alliance, which represents Shiites in the government and parliament to resolve differences and outstanding issues between Erbil and Baghdad.

The member of the negotiating delegation Saadi Bireh announced yesterday at a press conference held in Erbil, the capital of the region, that the High Committee will be held on Wednesday with the delegation, declaring that they and the National Alliance has signed their choice on several topics to be a project for the parties to the Alliance to the leaders, The Supreme Committee for the referendum in Kurdistan.

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Iraqi Kurds demand international guarantees to postpone the referendum on secession

 

Baghdad Aktham Saif al - Din

24 August 2017

 

 

The head of the Kurdistan region of Iraq, Massoud Barzani , rejected the idea of a referendum on the secession of the region , scheduled for September 25, while looking for international guarantees in return for postponement.

A senior Kurdish official told the "New Arab" on Thursday that "Barzani's recent meetings with US Secretary of Defense James Matisse , and then the Turkish Foreign Minister Mouloud Gaoosh Oglu, dealt with several files, most of which are outstanding issues with Baghdad," noting that " Officials asked to postpone the referendum on the secession of Kurdistan, until after the completion of a period of exhortation.

He added that "Barzani criticized the procrastination of successive Iraqi governments with the Kurdistan region and non-implementation of the provisions of the Constitution on the rights of the Kurds," revealing that "the confidence of the region has become weak by the government of Baghdad , and the amount of desire to resolve those crises, which led us to the referendum."

He added that Barzani stressed not to retreat from the referendum, but would discuss the postponement, while the American side promised to guarantee the rights of the Kurds and play a major role in solving the crises with Baghdad , including the subject of the referendum, , So that it does not have any negative impact on the political reality in Iraq. "

"  Barzani confirmed not to retreat from the referendum, but will discuss the issue of postponement, while the US promised to be a guarantor of the rights of the Kurds  "

For his part, said the leader of the Barzani Party, Mahma Khalil to the "new Arab", "Barzani when he took steps towards the referendum taken in accordance with the data of the law and the Constitution, and with the support of all segments of the Kurdish people," adding that "the referendum is the most basic human rights, Provides for that. "

Khalil said that "the date of the referendum will not be delayed one minute, and no one can stand in front of the rights and the desire of the Kurdish people," adding that "the referendum will promote stability in the region, and strengthen relations of the region with everyone."

He added that "the decision of the referendum was based on many data before the adoption, including the desire of the people and global sympathy with this desire, and the Iraqi constitution," pointing to the existence of "a high committee of all the Kurdish blocs and all segments of the people working to follow up this subject, And constitutional, "adding that" the referendum will be a guarantee and security for Kurdistan and the region. "

Khalil pointed out that "the Kurdish Crescent in all circumstances was a deterrent and prevent the absence of violations of human rights, and had a significant role in deterring the organization calling the terrorist."

It is noteworthy that the Kurdistan authorities, had sent, last week, a delegation to Baghdad , to follow up the outstanding issues between the two sides, including the referendum on the secession of the region, but no results were reached.

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Yildirim: We will not wage war against Kurdistan because of the referendum and we are with a united Iraq

 

 Since 2017-08-25 at 11:52 (Baghdad time)

 Baghdad Mawazine News

Turkish Prime Minister Ben Ali Yildirim said that the referendum on independence in Kurdistan will not create a new war in the region .

"The war between us and the war is between two states and we regard the regional government as part of Iraq, "Ben Ali Yildirim told reporters .

"Our position is clear from the referendum. It is a wrong decision and we are with a unified Iraq. The region is full of problems and can not be a surprise ."

The referendum, to be held on September 25, is focused on a survey of the population in the regions of Kurdistan and disputed, whether they wish to independence from Iraq or not .

The Iraqi government rejects the referendum, saying it does not comply with the Constitution of Iraq, which was approved in 2005, and is not in the interest of the Kurds politically, economically and nationally .

Neighboring Turkey refuses to hold this referendum, saying that preserving the territorial integrity of Iraq is linked to establishing security, peace and prosperity in the region .

While America is the biggest player in the region, the time is not right because of the war against terrorism .

The Kurdish officials insist on holding the referendum process on time, and the President of the region Massoud Barzani, that the step of independence will avoid the Kurds and the region of bloody wars .

The head of Turkey's Nationalist Movement Party, Dhalh Behajeh Lee, said the declaration of independence of Kurdistan "could be considered a reason for Ankara to declare war if necessary ." Finished

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Sistani calls for preventing civilians from taking human shields in Tal Afar

United Nations rejects the separation of the Kurdistan region from Iraq

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While the controversy is raging internally and externally on a referendum preparing to organize the Kurdistan region of Iraq to secede from the country, the United Nations refused this separation and the division of Iraq .. While Iraqi forces announced the liberation of 14 villages and new neighborhoods and important government buildings in the northern district of Tal Afar, while called al-Sistani forces to prevent the evangelist From taking civilians there as human shields.

The head of the UN mission in Iraq, Jan Kubic, told Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi that the United Nations has refused to weaken Iraq's unity and division, referring to a referendum on the planned separation in northern Kurdistan on January 25.

Al-Abbadi discussed with Copiash in Baghdad "the developments of the security, political and economic events in Iraq, the regional situation and the war on terrorism, in addition to the preparations and coordination to support Iraq's efforts during the annual meetings of the United Nations General Assembly next month and progress in the file of community reconciliation, The Iraqi government has seen the text of "Elaf" on Friday.

"The United Nations position supports the unity of Iraq and its federal democratic system," Kubic said, referring to its opposition to weakening the unity and dividing Iraq.

The Turkish Foreign Minister Mouloud Javishoglu told the President of the Kurdistan region of Iraq Massoud Barzani during his visit to Erbil last Wednesday that the region to hold a referendum for separation from Iraq will cause many problems and threaten the instability of the region.

US Defense Secretary James Matisse said during a meeting with Barzani in Arbil on Tuesday that his country was concerned about the referendum, pointing out that the issue was far from American expectations and that the United States believed that the referendum process would be an obstacle to the war against terrorists. Many problems for both sides in the war against terrorism.

Al-Sistani calls on the forces to prevent the recruitment of civilians to Tal Afar human shields

Iraq's top Shiite cleric, Sistani, called on Iraqi forces to prevent an organization calling for the taking of civilians from Tal Afar as human shields.

"The Iraqi fighters are fighting the liberation of Tal Afar and they are winning great professional military victories," said Sheikh Abdul Mahdi al-Karbalai, a senior Shiite cleric in Iraq, Ali al-Sistani, during a Friday sermon in Karbala, 110 km south of Baghdad.

He added that despite three years of fierce fighting on various fronts, these fighters remain steadfast, hard-working and sacrificing for the sake of Iraq's glory and sanctities, a guarantee of the present and the future. He called on the Iraqi forces to beware of "the enemy Da'ashi and the lack of reassurance of the collapse of some of its totals, but the implementation of military plans set in full."

He stressed the Iraqi forces need to work to preserve the lives of civilians in the neighborhoods of Tal Afar and protect them from harm and prevent them from taking human shields by the organization is urging .. and seek to get rid of him and provide shelter and the necessary needs for them. He called on health personnel to go to the fighting fronts intensively to treat the wounded and injured and provide medical equipment for their recovery.

The commander-in-chief of the armed forces Haider Abadi announced at dawn last Sunday the launch of the liberation of Tal Afar, 80 kilometers west of Mosul, stressing that the date of victory will be achieved soon and the city of Tal Afar will rejoin the liberation.

The liberation of 14 villages and government buildings and the storming of new neighborhoods in Tal Afar

As fighting continued on the sixth day of the liberation of the district of Tal Afar west of Mosul, north of Baghdad, the commander of the anti-terrorism forces, Lieutenant General Abdul Ghani al-Asadi, the liberation of 14 villages from the control of a preacher in the judiciary, which includes 47 villages, while other leaders said in statements and statements, "Control of new neighborhoods and important government buildings.

The brigade's special forces commander Abdul Amir Yarallah, commander of operations of the "coming Yanino", said that the infantry brigade 36 of the 9th Armored Division and the 26th Brigade of the popular crowd had liberated the southern neighborhood of Jazira and took control of the shrine of Khader Elias in Tal Afar. He also referred to the liberation of the teachers, the call and the green, and the raising of the Iraqi flag over its buildings.

He added that the divisions of the 36th Infantry Brigade, the 9th Armored Division and the 26th Brigade of the Popular Rally, have completed the liberation of the northern island district and the control of the Technical Institute building, the Sarai police station and the Madifa defense building in Tal Afar and the Iraqi flag.

The media information channel to clear the Iraqi forces to the second unit in preparation for the invasion of the neighborhood of spring in the center of Tal Afar.

The head of the federal police team, Raed Shaker Jawdat, said on Friday that his forces destroyed a network of spider tunnels and caused heavy losses. He pointed out that the police and the popular crowd stormed the neighborhood Saad, northwest of Tal Afar and control of 60% of the neighborhood, Al-Rabee neighborhood and the escape of elements calling for the center of the judiciary.

He added that police forces killed 51 da'as and three snipers and dismantled 67 explosive devices, two car bombs and a booby-trapped house, and found an additive and communication tower for the organization and the destruction of his tunnel and various types of weapons.

Edit Qal'at Tal Afar and Daadah close the streets leading to the city center

The Popular Forces Command said today that Iraqi forces are currently engaged in fierce clashes on the outskirts of the neighborhoods of Saad and spring and the forefront and the castle in the center of Tal Afar.

It said that its troops in the south-eastern axis of Tel Afar had taken control of the ancient citadel of Tal Afar, west of Mosul, which is one of the most famous historical places in the judiciary. It was built in the Assyrian era when Tal Afar was the center of the worship of Ishtar. Three years ago when he entered the judiciary, which led to the collapse.

The leadership of the crowd said that the organization of Daqash has closed the streets leading to the center of the district of Tal Afar with dirt mounds and concrete blocks in order to block advanced forces from the popular crowd and security forces.

The command confirmed that the Popular Popular Forces and the army killed Friday a suicide bomber who tried to block the advanced units in Tal Afar. "The forces of the 26th Brigade in the Popular Rally and the 1st and 2nd Armored Division Troops killed a suicide bomber who tried to block the advanced units in Tal Afar," the Popular Media Information Envoy said.

On Tuesday, Iraqi forces stormed the town of Tal Afar, a center of justice with the same name from the eastern and southern sides. The area in which the fighting is taking place is a front of about 60 kilometers and 40 kilometers wide. The city of Tall Afar includes the judicial center and the cities of Ayadiyah and Al-Halabiya, as well as 47 villages.

Iraqi forces began an offensive last Sunday to restore the judiciary from the grip of the Daash organization, which took control in June 2014, and is now his stronghold in Iraq, while still controlled areas in the south of Kirkuk province northeast of Baghdad and in Anbar province in western Iraq.

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Friday, August 25, 2017 18:36

 

 

 

Iraqi Kurds: referendum on schedule

 

Erbil - (Agencies): Iraqi Kurds hold their plans to hold a referendum on the independence of their territory on September 25, stressing that "the referendum will not be postponed even for one minute," according to information adviser in the Office of the President of the Kurdistan region Kifah Mahmoud. "The referendum will not be delayed even for one minute except by an alternative. The alternative is international guarantees signed by all the parties, especially the main parties - Baghdad, the United States of America, even Turkey and Iran. These guarantees will be written and set another day or another date for the referendum, In this case only, it is possible to postpone the referendum, and otherwise it can not be postponed, and will be carried out on schedule. " The move comes as a result of the Iraqi Kurds' adherence to the referendum, despite repeated calls by the Americans to postpone such a move, fearing that it would negatively affect relations with the central government in Baghdad and thus impede the strategy of defeating the state " In Turkey and Iraq, while Turkey entered the line, and Foreign Minister Mouloud Javishoglu, who visited Baghdad before moving to Erbil, said that the referendum step "wrong", in a new indicator of the sensitivity of the file of Kurdish independence for Turkey. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and US Defense Secretary James Matisse reiterated their opposition to the referendum on the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan, according to the Turkish Presidency after their talks The Supreme Council for the Referendum in the Kurdistan Region, during a meeting chaired by President Massoud Barzani discussed the results of the recent visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad, In the subject of Ast V, and also the results of Barzani talks with Matisse in Erbil. In the same context, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US Defense Secretary James Matisse renewed their opposition to the independence referendum of Iraqi Kurdistan, the Turkish presidency said after their talks. The Supreme Council for the referendum in the Kurdistan region, during a meeting chaired by President Massoud Barzani, the results of the recent visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad, on the subject of the referendum, as well as the results of Barzani talks with Matisse in Erbil. In the same context, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US Defense Secretary James Matisse renewed their opposition to the independence referendum of Iraqi Kurdistan, the Turkish presidency said after their talks. The Supreme Council for the referendum in the Kurdistan region, during a meeting chaired by President Massoud Barzani, the results of the recent visit of the Kurdish delegation to Baghdad, on the subject of the referendum, as well as the results of Barzani talks with Matisse in Erbil.

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1 hour ago, yota691 said:

"The referendum will not be delayed even for one minute except by an alternative. The alternative is international guarantees signed by all the parties, especially the main parties - Baghdad, the United States of America, even Turkey and Iran.

 

so is kurdistan political posturing for international guarantee of money payments for oil and other commodities since baghdad has been for whatever reasons not keeping to the somo agreement in the kurds minds  ....  we wait

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As clearly evident...maddog knew not to enter the meeting already postured pro succession. He understood it was better to side with the Kurds because he know there are highest principalities controlling Iraqi government and is for a self governing Kurdistan but knows the turks, United nations, goi, cbi, ect ect ect will all be against the referendum. I don't know how this effects the rv but something tells me unless they put together a peacefull agreement then we won't see rv until after referendum. I think they will agree on something. Just my opinion , thanks.

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Coalition to Continue Supporting Peshmerga Despite Referendum Results: Spokesperson

Basnews English

26/08/2017 - 15:47

Kurdistan

 

 

 

ERBIL — The US-led Coalition will continue its military support for Kurdistan Region’s Peshmerga forces regardless of the results of the independence referendum set for 25th September, said Colonel Ryan Dillon, the Spokesperson for the US-led coalition against the Islamic State (IS).

“We, as a coalition, continue to support and train the Peshmerga who have played a vital role in the defeat of IS throughout Iraq,” Dillon said during an interview on Kurdistan24.

He further explained that the Coalition has “great respect” for the Peshmerga forces as they play a significant role in the war on IS.

Apart from the aerial support and weapons supplies provided to the Kurdish forces during their battle against IS, the Coalition has also trained 22,000 Peshmerga troops since mid-2014 when the international anti-IS campaign started. 

“We will continue to do so until told otherwise,” he added. “But, that support continues. We’ve had a great respect for the Peshmerga forces.”

 

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