umbertino Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Young Mexicans speak out about what they lost by leaving the US before Daca, what they gained, and what faces those who may now lose their protection Amanda Holpuch in Oaxaca City, Mexico Wednesday 6 September 2017 11.00 BST Etziba Alvarez, whose family is split between the US and Mexico, moved from Florida back to Mexico. Her two youngest brothers are US citizens. Photograph: Maggie Loredo More pics in link https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/06/undocumented-mexicans-raised-in-america-daca-dreamers Edited September 6, 2017 by umbertino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxinjersey Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 They now have a model and appreciation for reshaping their own country... go "Make Mexico Great.."... 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyangel Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Jaxinjersey said: They now have a model and appreciation for reshaping their own country... go "Make Mexico Great.."... Exactly!!! They can stop complaining and come back and do it right, legally, their choice. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jg1 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Proud of Mexico, can wave the Mexican or fill in the blank----------flag in their own country. Tired of Mexican flags at protests. American flags for proud Americans. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karsten Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) There had years to file the paper work, learn English, pass a test and Swear Allegiance to the United States of American and they all failed miserably at all of it. They received Section 8 Housing, Welfare, food Stamps, Health Care, In State or Free Tuition.....and guess who is paying for it all the while filling Jobs they have no right too. What are you getting out of it? Better yet....Why aren't we taking care of Our Wounded and Homeless Vets, Our Homeless Children....Why should "so Called dreamers " (most of which) who could care less about this Country, our Values, Our History and Culture...... Just try do do this in Mexico as an Illegal American Citizen and see where that gets you. Karsten Edited September 6, 2017 by Karsten 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 I wonder what the native Americans said when we all showed up??? B/A 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxinjersey Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bostonangler said: I wonder what the native Americans said when we all showed up??? B/A Ugggh... You induce so many questions!!! What do you mean? What do native Americans have to do with this? Are you comparing some sort of issue equivalence again? Your statement makes no sense... I guess, until you explain it! LOL Let's discuss it... instead of "quipping" it out of context!!! Edited September 6, 2017 by Jaxinjersey 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatshername Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, jg1 said: Proud of Mexico, can wave the Mexican or fill in the blank----------flag in their own country. Tired of Mexican flags at protests. American flags for proud Americans. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleslayer Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 hours ago, bostonangler said: I wonder what the native Americans said when we all showed up??? B/A If you feel that bad about it you should leave. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markinsa Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 hours ago, bostonangler said: I wonder what the native Americans said when we all showed up??? B/A Probably something similar to what the Jews and the other European and Asian People said when the Romans showed up.... . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 10 hours ago, Markinsa said: Probably something similar to what the Jews and the other European and Asian People said when the Romans showed up.... . Yeah we are all illegals in somebody's eyes... B/A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 14 hours ago, Jaxinjersey said: Ugggh... You induce so many questions!!! What do you mean? What do native Americans have to do with this? Are you comparing some sort of issue equivalence again? Your statement makes no sense... I guess, until you explain it! LOL Let's discuss it... instead of "quipping" it out of context!!! You know you are always so combative... Our ancestors came here as illegal aliens. The native Americans were here first. This was their land and we took from them. We didn't share with them, we destroyed them... B/A 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Muleslayer said: If you feel that bad about it you should leave. I don't feel bad, I just don't feel the way you do... B/A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonangler Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 11 hours ago, Whatshername said: Yup our flag is the only flag that should be raised in America. The Irish shouldn't raise their flag on St. Patrick's Day. The Italians shouldn't raise their flag on Columbus Day. And so on and so on. And most importantly our flag shouldn't be decimated as you have done in your little meme. And yet we have a culture in parts of America who wave the Confederate flag... A symbol of raising arms against Old Glory... People argue about the meaning of the Bars and Stars. I don't see it as much a racist thing as a treason thing. Those people went to war against America. Whatever the reason is secondary to me compared to the basic fact they were traders. Should that part of history be in museums? Of course. Should we hold those people up as heroes? Ahhh I don't see it... B/A 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickgold Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 15 hours ago, Karsten said: There had years to file the paper work, learn English, pass a test and Swear Allegiance to the United States of American and they all failed miserably at all of it. They received Section 8 Housing, Welfare, food Stamps, Health Care, In State or Free Tuition.....and guess who is paying for it all the while filling Jobs they have no right too. What are you getting out of it? Better yet....Why aren't we taking care of Our Wounded and Homeless Vets, Our Homeless Children....Why should "so Called dreamers " (most of which) who could care less about this Country, our Values, Our History and Culture...... Just try do do this in Mexico as an Illegal American Citizen and see where that gets you. Karsten Agreed, we need to care for our own, first priority!!! The sad part is, is that all these dreamers are listening to the power control representatives, and have no clue they are being suppressed. Yeah keep listening to the law breakers of the United States Constituiton and see where it gets you. It's about time we have a leader, President Trump standing up to this corruption. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxinjersey Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 43 minutes ago, bostonangler said: You know you are always so combative... Our ancestors came here as illegal aliens. The native Americans were here first. This was their land and we took from them. We didn't share with them, we destroyed them... B/A Asking for clarity is combative? It's your post, not mine... your responsibility, not mine... your accountability, not mine. So, you've answered my question about native Americans... thank you. You could have simply posted what you meant in your first post, instead of assuming everyone knows your meaning. But, maybe this is why you didn't... you didn't think it through and go deep enough... Our ancestors could not have possibly come to America "illegally"... there was no legal grounds or formation to do so. No one owned this land... and certainly not the natives... as they don't even believe in land ownership. There was no governmental entity... no laws... but simply ongoing "territorial" grabs and continual border disputes, until claims were formalized and legally recognized by other countries... after battles and wars! This was going on in ALL newly discovered parts of the world... Even native Americans migrated here at one time in history, from other parts of the continent... AND, the tribes battled each other... even when Europeans were here. The world evolves... through the spread of civil society. Either the native Americans participate, or their culture diminishes... their choice. B/A... I'm a bit surprised at your perspective on this, as I thought you were an evolved, freedom loving capitalist business owner. if you have so much guilt toward being an American, or even a perceived "illegal alien", as you've qualified yourself... why are you living in America, enjoying the spoils of your ancestors? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyangel Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 9 hours ago, Jaxinjersey said: Asking for clarity is combative? It's your post, not mine... your responsibility, not mine... your accountability, not mine. So, you've answered my question about native Americans... thank you. You could have simply posted what you meant in your first post, instead of assuming everyone knows your meaning. But, maybe this is why you didn't... you didn't think it through and go deep enough... Our ancestors could not have possibly come to America "illegally"... there was no legal grounds or formation to do so. No one owned this land... and certainly not the natives... as they don't even believe in land ownership. There was no governmental entity... no laws... but simply ongoing "territorial" grabs and continual border disputes, until claims were formalized and legally recognized by other countries... after battles and wars! This was going on in ALL newly discovered parts of the world... Even native Americans migrated here at one time in history, from other parts of the continent... AND, the tribes battled each other... even when Europeans were here. The world evolves... through the spread of civil society. Either the native Americans participate, or their culture diminishes... their choice. B/A... I'm a bit surprised at your perspective on this, as I thought you were an evolved, freedom loving capitalist business owner. if you have so much guilt toward being an American, or even a perceived "illegal alien", as you've qualified yourself... why are you living in America, enjoying the spoils of your ancestors? Such clarity Jax, if she doesn't get it, she's in a deep hole of denial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleslayer Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, bostonangler said: I don't feel bad, I just don't feel the way you do... B/A Edited September 8, 2017 by Muleslayer Second thoughts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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