Obama Cuts Military Pay For Third Year In A Row, While Pushing For $15 Min. Wage For Burger Flippers

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Obama Cuts Military Pay For Third Year In A Row, While Pushing For $15 Min. Wage For Burger Flippers

By Mason Hunt | April 23, 2016

 

FROM TRUTH AND ACTION:

While shouting that the minimum wage for illegal aliens working at McDonalds should be $15. an hour, President Obama used a loophole in the US Code deter a pay raise to the military.  The lower pay increase translates to a Pay Grade E-4 (Corporal, Petty Officer 3d Class, Specialist 4, Senior Airman) with less than three years in service will earn less than $3.00 an hour. Under the 2016 pay scale, a Pay Grade E-1 undergoing recruit training will be paid roughly $2.15 an hour.

 

The Examiner Reports:

By federal law those serving in the nation’s military are supposed to receive a yearly pay raise in accordance with a formula utilized by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). The House of Representatives traditionally uses whatever figure the BLS sends them to factor into any given Fiscal Year Budget to be sent to the Commander-in-Chief. But Barack Obama has again decided to use an emergency loophole in the US Code to keep the formulated pay raise from the troops.

Yet as reported by the Alabama Media Group (The Birmingham News, The Huntsville Times, the Mobile Press-Register) on Aug. 31, 2015, members of the Armed Forces will see a barely visible 1.3 percent increase in their proverbial pay envelopes starting New Year’s Day. But as reported by the Heritage Foundation on Aug. 7, 2015, those in the service were initially slated to receive a 2.3 percent hike in pay.

 

While Obama is still jetting about the country and world spouting global warming and shaking down donors and enjoying frequent, out sized vacations all paid for by taxpayers, Obama used the Chief Executive’s “economic emergency” provision to cut military pay. Obama used the same excuse to slash the legally mandated pay raises from Fiscal Years 2014 and 2015.

[Shabibilicious]

As a veteran, I think military personnel should make stacks of cash, and those in hazardous duty situations should make obscene amounts of money.  That said, I always find it interesting when business owners complain about military wages being too low.....then turn around and say to their own employees, "if you think your pay is unfair, perhaps you should have started your own business".  

GO RV, then BV

[Jaxinjersey]

2 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

As a veteran, I think military personnel should make stacks of cash, and those in hazardous duty situations should make obscene amounts of money.  That said, I always find it interesting when business owners complain about military wages being too low.....then turn around and say to their own employees, "if you think your pay is unfair, perhaps you should have started your own business".  

GO RV, then BV

I agree with your military pay perspective Shabs!  However, as a business owner, it is my obligation to my company and employees to manage my business profitably... in order to assure everyone's prosperity and job security.  When I've told an employee they could (not should) start their own business... I am doing them a favor.  Over the years, some have... and have thanked me for seeing the entrepreneur in them!  They see I wasn't the "enemy" they might have disagreed with at the time... and are now like me!  Win win!

[Shabibilicious]

1 minute ago, Jaxinjersey said:

I agree with your military pay perspective Shabs!  However, as a business owner, it is my obligation to my company and employees to manage my business profitably... in order to assure everyone's prosperity and job security.  When I've told an employee they could (not should) start their own business... I am doing them a favor.  Over the years, some have... and have thanked me for seeing the entrepreneur in them!  They see I wasn't the "enemy" they might have disagreed with at the time... and are now like me!  Win win!

Just as it's President Obama's responsibility to manage a 19 Trillion dollar deficit.  Perhaps there's not enough information here to judge.  

GO RV, then BV

[Indraman]

I think any hamburger franchise business owner is perfectly justified and within logic to make the claims for better pay and treatment for service men and to support no minimum wage at all. The reason being that I, like most Americans can make the distinction between serving and protecting the country, and flipping burgers. In the first case, the role of the US government military to protect is clearly enumerated in the Constitution. No where in the Constitution is it enumerated that a minimum wage should even exist and as such, has become a political tool by the Left to influence and persuade the common working class into believing that by raising the minimum wage, the Left is helping them. Empirical data shows otherwise but for the Left and its mindless followers, this doesn't matter. In the end, the very people who were told the minimum wage increase would help are hurt by the policies time and time again.

This is another example of intentions over results...the Left is great at portraying good intentions but wanting in results.

Indy

Edited June 14, 2016 by Indraman

[Jaxinjersey]

9 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Just as it's President Obama's responsibility to manage a 19 Trillion dollar deficit.  Perhaps there's not enough information here to judge.  

GO RV, then BV

Agreed... there is no way to compare, nor correlate such information.  Commercial commerce and government commerce are in two very different "yards", hence contained and secured by different types of "fences"!     Oh... and good morning Shabs!  

[Shabibilicious]

So an E-4 makes a little more than 26K a year.....add in free Room and Board, medical, dental and vision, solid fitness program with gym membership, self help centers, do-it-yourself mechanic shops, and that's a pretty good chunk of change....not enough, but pretty good.  Burger flippers on the other hand should be kids transitioning to adulthood.  As always, just my opinion.

GO RV, then BV

[Shabibilicious]

4 minutes ago, Jaxinjersey said:

Agreed... there is no way to compare, nor correlate such information.  Commercial commerce and government commerce are in two very different "yards", hence contained and secured by different types of "fences"!     Oh... and good morning Shabs!  

Good morning, Jax...Indy.  Now that you said that, if it should come to fruition....it will be interesting to see if a President Trump has what it takes to manage the 2 differing commerce you mentioned.  

GO RV, then BV

Edited June 14, 2016 by Shabibilicious

[Jaxinjersey]

7 minutes ago, Shabibilicious said:

Good morning, Jax...Indy.  Now that you said that, if it should come to fruition....it will be interesting to see if a President Trump has what it takes to manage the 2 differing commerce you mentioned.  

GO RV, then BV

I'm assuming you mean HIS private commerce, and how he "separates" himself from it?  If you mean commercial commerce at large, that's really none of his business, aside from managing the regulatory aspects... and dreaded IRS aspects!  Otherwise, yes, it will be very interesting to see him manage (or attempt to) government spending and budgeting through Congress... much as Indy has alluded to above!

[tankdude]

4 hours ago, Shabibilicious said:

So an E-4 makes a little more than 26K a year.....add in free Room and Board, medical, dental and vision, solid fitness program with gym membership, self help centers, do-it-yourself mechanic shops, and that's a pretty good chunk of change....not enough, but pretty good.  Burger flippers on the other hand should be kids transitioning to adulthood.  As always, just my opinion.

GO RV, then BV

I'm sure your tracking the changes, but others may not be. As you know - Basic Allowance for Housing is being looked at for change. I'm not against that one, since it will actually be more in line of need based rather than a stipend, but it will still mean a loss of a few hundred dollars a month for some of our service members.

And of course we now have changes in retirement, proposed changes to TriCare Insurance - making the service member pay about 50% more for his insurance. The whole Military Health System is under review - and it may result in actual charges at Military Facilities for dependents. Service Members will continue to have no out of pocket.

Couple that with the limited pay raises - and you can see that a military enlisted life is not as great as it once was...

 

[gymrat76541]

Nothing new here! Washington & every politician in the USA says - they appreciate and value our service publicly.

Meanwhile: they let the tax credits expire for our veterans, they cut pay increases for our active duty troops/sailors/airmen. Not to mention the poor service we receive at VA hospitals across the nation. Someone should tell them firing the head of the VA as every scandal hits the news changes NOTHING!

Letting our tax credits expire while giving tax credits to big business is as low as a snake in the grass!

I guess an immigrant flipping burgers is more important then our own citizens defending freedom.

 

[gymrat76541]

Tricare has already been labeled as "Null" if you work as a government contractor.

Ah the little changes Congress makes while our back is turned!

[Thaiexpat]

Last time I checked, joining the military was an all volunteer event. When is the last time anyone was conscripted? Therefore, what is there to complain about? Of course, the Congress has decreed that all military will get x in increases per year, then the law must be followed. To compare burger-flippers to military service is wrong because there is no contract. They can quit at anytime. Try that in the Marines!! BTW, to say a person who volunteers to join is somehow entitled to more than what the contract states is wrong. You can join when you become an adult (I joined the Marines at 17). You make adult decisions. Now, go live with your decision and lesson learned. I spent almost 15 years the Marines. I btiched and moaned about everything (Arent we all guilty of that?) pay? Jerk superiors. Work conditions. Deployments. I was medically-retired. I stayed in for as long as I did, because I WANTED TO. Plain and simple. I NEVER served the country or protected it. What kind of fool believes that? I was in numerous places enforcing foreign policy procedures and corporate interest. Plain and simple. We were used as TOOLS. Perhaps, if more young people realize the SCAM, then less would join, less would be in a non-productive sector of society and they'd be a lot happier.

Yeah, and I know that so many will slam me for this view, but, sorry, the TRUTH is painful sometimes. I guess the most positive thing to come from my experiences was that I became a staunch libertarian/anarchist. Ohrah!!!

[Shabibilicious]

8 minutes ago, Thaiexpat said:

Last time I checked, joining the military was an all volunteer event. When is the last time anyone was conscripted? Therefore, what is there to complain about? Of course, the Congress has decreed that all military will get x in increases per year, then the law must be followed. To compare burger-flippers to military service is wrong because there is no contract. They can quit at anytime. Try that in the Marines!! BTW, to say a person who volunteers to join is somehow entitled to more than what the contract states is wrong. You can join when you become an adult (I joined the Marines at 17). You make adult decisions. Now, go live with your decision and lesson learned. I spent almost 15 years the Marines. I btiched and moaned about everything (Arent we all guilty of that?) pay? Jerk superiors. Work conditions. Deployments. I was medically-retired. I stayed in for as long as I did, because I WANTED TO. Plain and simple. I NEVER served the country or protected it. What kind of fool believes that? I was in numerous places enforcing foreign policy procedures and corporate interest. Plain and simple. We were used as TOOLS. Perhaps, if more young people realize the SCAM, then less would join, less would be in a non-productive sector of society and they'd be a lot happier.

Yeah, and I know that so many will slam me for this view, but, sorry, the TRUTH is painful sometimes. I guess the most positive thing to come from my experiences was that I became a staunch libertarian/anarchist. Ohrah!!!

At least you left the country that did you so wrong, rather than hang around and complain.....that's to be commended.    Thank you for your service to the "SCAM".  

GO RV, then BV

[Thaiexpat]

Thank you for your reply. Just my take on how I see things. Libertarian ideas strongly support the belief that no person can force another person into something without their consent. Well, consent can only be properly given if full disclosure is given. I'm not saying its anyone else's fault, but my own. The information is there. Free to access (especially today) and to enter into a contract "half-blind" or otherwise was my problem fully. No one did me wrong. If that is what you perceived in my post, then sorry, I didn't mean that at all. Free-will (consent) is all we have. If consent is given-signing a contract- who is to blame? Certainly not the agency offering the contract. This applies to all things, not just military "service". They used me as they saw fit and I tolerated for as long as I could. The fault is solely MINE to bear. Dunno, just saying....Peace

[gymrat76541]

So the next time you hear a representative in Washington say that they are "proud" or "praise" our service members or vets - you already know it is B.S.

It's like saying you love your children but you beat them when not in public! LOL

Edited June 19, 2016 by gymrat76541

[bigwave]

I hope We the People get a great government and one the exposes the SCAM's of so called wars.

I figured out it was a scam when they called off the Vietnam when our guys were just 5 kilometers away from the head guy.

So sad.

 

[Thaiexpat]

Thanks for your post BigWave. I want to relate an event that really happened to me and how is relates to all things, not just military. Used to fly for them stationed out of GITMO (and Key West NAS). Tasked on that day to support DEA/Customs, etc in stopping drug flow routes into the US. Got a mission to fly south to intercept unknown slow-mover (twin prop job) coming up from South America. Given co-ordinates, etc and expected flight path we were told that it would probably fly across in area A. Once airborne, we were given completely different area to search! Based upon the original verses the new area for patrol, there was NO WAY IN HELL a prop job could make the shift. So, either the type of airframe was wrong (It was really a jet, but doubt that) or initial intel about point of departure was WAY off (not likely) OR, we were misdirected on purpose not to find this cat. Other air-assets were similarly sent off to areas completed unreasonable to the intel given. We spent a lot of time on that "conversion flight" (Converting JP 4 to noise and fumes) and for what?

I had a Guard buddy tell me the only people they ever caught were the ones they were SUPPOSE to. So it isn't about the military, etc. Its about a system in place that protects those who it wants to protect and all the rest are fodder. Those blow-hards in CONgress talk a good game. Get you all wrapped-up in the flag when they could care less. I tell all young people: "Just know what your getting into. It might not be what you think..."  Make an informed consent and accept your decision. Might regret it later or maybe its the best thing to ever happen to you. I made some real brothers in the Corps and would never turn my back on them. That is a very positive event for me. Dunno, just saying.... Peace