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Harney County sheriff speaks of ‘alternative motives’ while Ammon Bundy’s group puts away firearms to convince media it is civil rights issue

 

 

Jason Wilson the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon

 

Monday 4 January 2016 07.13 GMT

 

 

On the second day of its armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the Bundy militia shifted tactics. From a state of lockdown it moved to a charm offensive, inviting a small media contingent inside its redoubt, with warm smiles and waves.

 

The local sheriff was not convinced.

 

“These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers,” Sheriff David Ward said in a statement, “when in reality these men had alternative motives, to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”

 

Members of the rightwing Bundy militia occupied the wildlife refuge in Oregon over the weekend, threatening a confrontation with federal authorities, in support of two cattle ranchers who were convicted of setting fires on federal land.

 

The cattle ranchers, father and son Steven and Dwight Hammond, said they did so while trying to clear their own land so their cattle could feed. The authorities said otherwise. They have both served time in prison and are due to report to a jail in San Diego on Monday in order to serve some more.

 

The Oregon senator Ron Wyden told the Associated Press the FBI was co-ordinating the official response to the occupation with the sheriff and state police. He also blamed outsiders.

 

Ammon Bundy, the 40-year-old leader of the men occupying the federal buildings, insisted his men were peaceful. But, he said, if the federal government tried to take back the refuge, “they would be putting lives at risk”.

 

The journalists he spoke to had driven the 30 miles (48km) from Burns through heavy snowfall. Greeting them, Bundy was accompanied by a man who would identify himself only as his bodyguard. A few others lingered. There were no guns in sight.

 

Everything was calculated to project an image of calm and reason and the absence of any threat. Just after 11am, Bundy opened his media conference.

 

“Your role is very important,” he said. “We do believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant, and that the American people have a right to know what’s going on.”

 

For Bundy, the re-sentencing and re-imprisonment of Steven and Dwight Hammond is simply a civil rights issue; his armed militia members are simply civil rights protectors. The Hammonds were persecuted by the federal government, he said, because they refused to “sell their ranch so it can be added to the Malheur wildlife refuge”.

 

The Hammonds were the target, he said, of “vindictive behaviours”, from fines and harassment up to and including prosecution under federal anti-terrorism laws.

 

Bundy is the son of the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, whose victory in a land rights standoff with federal agents made the family famous in 2014. He responded to questions patiently and in an even, measured voice. Such poise was clearly a product of his experience at the Bundy ranch, deployed in an effort to defuse the accusation that the group’s actions here were those of extremists or terrorists.

 

That marked a shift from the previous day, when Bundy’s conspicuously armed men completed their occupation of this small collection of federal buildings.

 

Nevertheless, the sunshine policy turned out to go only so far. Bundy confirmed that fire observation towers at the refuge were now occupied by marksmen, for “safety”, and said he was “absolutely” prepared to use force if he thought the situation warranted it.

 

Once again, there was no evidence of any law enforcement presence on or near the refuge.

 

In his statement, Sheriff Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to keep citizens safe and to quickly and peacefully resolve the situation. He asked people to stay away from the refuge, but did not think any other parts of the county were in immediate danger.

 

At the refuge, Bundy admitted that only “a small percentage” of the still unknown number of militia members on site were from Harney County, but said locals were offering support and supplies.

 

In isolation, the militia controlled the narrative. To many in Harney County, a place with an ambivalent relationship with government, the image of the Hammonds as persecuted victims of authority is persuasive.

 

The militia members also talked about the economic decline of the county, and of eastern Oregon in general. In doing so, they tapped into very real feelings about very real hardships.

 

“Harney County at one time was the wealthiest county in the state,” Bundy said. “Because the federal government came in and blocked access to resources, it fell into economic depression. We intend to reverse that.”

 

In discussions about the decline of areas formerly dependent on ranching and logging, the federal government makes a convenient scapegoat. On Sunday, no one was present to tell a more difficult and complex story.

 

“This refuge from its very inception has been a tool of tyranny,” said Bundy. “Steven and Dwight Hammond would not have been abused the way they have if we had adhered to the constitution. When government steps outside the bounds the people have given it, it is the duty of the people to put it back in its place.”

 

In order to do this, Bundy said, he and his men planned to stay where they were for a very long time.

 

“We do have a plan,” he said, “and that plan is going to take several months to accomplish. Those who have rights on this land, those rights will be acknowledged. There will be an opportunity to claim those rights. We are going to defend you as you use those rights.”

 

If the federal government tried to take the refuge back, he said, “they would be putting lives at risk. We are not putting anyone at risk right now. This refuge rightfully belongs to the people.”

 

Bundy said the militia members intended to “assist the people of Harney County to claim their rights”, and to use the refuge both to make their stand and to “stay out of the cold”.

 

He would not say what his end goal was, except to return the land to “ranching, trucks and recreational vehicles like it used to be”.

 

Asked if law enforcement officials had communicated with his men, he said: “No, not since we made this stand.” Anyone who was not a law enforcement official would be able to access the refuge, he said, while the militia were there.

 

“This is your land. Although it makes it complicated for us, we are not about restricting.”

 

Bundy concluded by outlining his vision of the structure and powers of government in the US, as laid down in the constitution.

 

“The federal government’s job is to protect the states from the outside world,” he said. “The states’ job is to protect the counties from the federal government. The counties’ job is to protect the people from the states.

 

“And the people’s job is to be free.”

 

 

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Ammon Bundy, in checked jacket, and other militia members meet the press.
Photograph: Jason Wilson/the Guardian
 
 
 
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Ryan Bundy talks on the phone at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
Photograph: Rebecca Boone/AP
 
 
 
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I'm sure Teddy already owns a cabin in the area.........weed's legal in Oregon, after all.   B) 

 

GO RV, then BV

 

 

Ted Nugent doesnt smoke weed never has.

 

Just so you can be on top tour game shabs here a little more info on the story.

They sure dont look like terrorist.  

 

 

meet the  hammonds

 

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HISTORY: (aa) The Harney Basin (were the Hammond ranch is established) was settled in the 1870’s. The valley was settled by multiple ranchers and was known to have run over 300,000 head of cattle. These ranchers developed a state of the art irrigated system to water the meadows, and it soon became a favorite stopping place for migrating birds on their annual trek north.

(ab) In 1908 President Theodor Roosevelt, in a political scheme, create an “Indian reservation” around the Malheur, Mud & Harney Lakes and declared it “as a preserve and breeding ground for native birds”. Later this “Indian reservation” (without Indians) became the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

(a) In 1964 the Hammonds purchased their ranch in the Harney Basin. The purchase included approximately 6000 acres of private property, 4 grazing rights on public land, a small ranch house and 3 water rights. The ranch is around 53 miles South of Burns, Oregon.

 

 

(a1) By the 1970’s nearly all the ranches adjacent to the Blitzen Valley were purchased by the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) and added to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The refuge covers over 187,000 acres and stretches over 45 miles long and 37 miles wide. The expansion of the refuge grew and surrounds to the Hammond’s ranch. Being approached many times by the FWS, the Hammonds refused to sell. Other ranchers also choose not to sell.

(a2) During the 1970’s the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), took a different approach to get the ranchers to sell. Ranchers were told that, “grazing was detrimental to wildlife and must be reduced”. 32 out of 53 permits were revoked and many ranchers were forced to leave. Grazing fees were raised significantly for those who were allowed to remain. Refuge personnel took over the irrigation system claiming it as their own.

(a3) By 1980 a conflict was well on its way over water allocations on the adjacent privately owned Silvies Plain. The FWS wanted to acquire the ranch lands on the Silvies Plain to add to their already vast holdings. Refuge personnel intentional diverted the water to bypassing the vast meadowlands, directing the water into the rising Malheur Lakes. Within a few short years the surface area of the lakes doubled. Thirty-one ranches on the Silvies plains were flooded. Homes, corrals, barns and graze-land were washed a way and destroyed. The ranchers that once fought to keep the FWS from taking their land, now broke and destroyed, begged the FWS to acquire their useless ranches. In 1989 the waters began to recede and now the once thriving privately owned Silvies pains are a proud part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge claimed by the FWS.

(a4) By the 1990’s the Hammonds were one of the very few ranchers that still owned private property adjacent to the refuge. Susie Hammond in an effort to make sense of what was going on began compiling fact about the refuge. In a hidden public record she found a study that was done by the FWS in 1975. The study showed that the “no use” policies of the FWS on the refuge were causing the wildlife to leave the refuge and move to private property. The study showed that the private property adjacent to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge produced 4 times more ducks and geese than the refuge did. It also showed that the migrating birds were 13 times more likely to land on private property than on the refuge. When Susie brought this to the attention of the FWS and refuge personnel, her and her family became the subjects of a long train of abuses and corruptions.

( B) In the early 1990’s the Hammonds filed on a livestock water source and obtained a deed for the water right from the State of Oregon. When the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) found out that the Hammonds obtained new water rights near the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge, they were agitated and became belligerent and vindictive towards the Hammonds. The US Fish and Wildlife Service challenged the Hammonds right to the water in an Oregon State Circuit Court. The court found that the Hammonds legally obtained rights to the water in accordance to State law and therefore the use of the water belongs to the Hammonds.*

© In August 1994 the BLM & FWS illegally began building a fence around the Hammonds water source. Owning the water rights and knowing that their cattle relied on that water source daily the Hammonds tried to stop the building of the fence. The BLM & FWS called the Harney County Sheriff department and had Dwight Hammond (Father) arrested and charged with “disturbing and interfering with” federal officials or federal contractors (two counts, each a felony). He spent one night in the Deschutes County Jail in Bend, and a second night behind bars in Portland before he was hauled before a federal magistrate and released without bail. A hearing on the charges was postponed and the federal judge never set another date.

(d) The FWS also began restricting access to upper pieces of the Hammond’s private property. In order to get to the upper part of the Hammond’s ranch they had to go on a road that went through the Malhuer Wildlife Refuge. The FWS began barricading the road and threatening the Hammonds if they drove through it. The Hammonds removed the barricades and gates and continued to use their right of access. The road was proven later to be owned by the County of Harney. This further enraged the BLM & FWS.

(e) Shortly after the road & water disputes, the BLM & FWS arbitrarily revoked the Hammond’s upper grazing permit without any given cause, court proceeding or court ruling. As a traditional “fence out state” Oregon requires no obligation on the part of an owner to keep his or her livestock within a fence or to maintain control over the movement of the livestock. The Hammonds intended to still use their private property for grazing. However, they were informed that a federal judge ruled, in a federal court, that the federal government did not have to observe the Oregon fence out law. “Those laws are for the people, not for them”.

(f) The Hammonds were forced to either build and maintain miles of fences or be restricted from the use of their private property. Cutting their ranch in almost half, they could not afford to fence the land, so the cattle were removed.

(g) The Hammonds experienced many years of financial hardship due to the ranch being diminished. The Hammonds had to sale their ranch and home in order to purchase another property that had enough grass to feed their cattle. This property included two grazing rights on public land. Those were also arbitrarily revoked later.

(h) The owner of the Hammond’s original ranch passed away from a heart attack and the Hammonds made a trade for the ranch back.

(i) In the early fall of 2001, Steven Hammond (Son) called the fire department, informing them that he was going to be performing a routine prescribed burn on their ranch. Later that day he started a prescribed fire on their private property. The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries.

(j) In 2006 a massive lightning storm started multiple fires that joined together inflaming the countryside. To prevent the fire from destroying their winter range and possibly their home, Steven Hammond (Son) started a backfire on their private property. The backfire was successful in putting out the lightning fires that had covered thousands of acres within a short period of time. The backfire saved much of the range and vegetation needed to feed the cattle through the winter. Steven’s mother, Susan Hammond said: “The backfire worked perfectly, it put out the fire, saved the range and possibly our home”.

(j1) The next day federal agents went to the Harney County Sheriff’s office and filled a police report making accusation against Dwight and Steven Hammond for starting the backfire. A few days after the backfire a Range-Con from the Burns District BLM office asked Steven if he would meet him in town (Frenchglen) for coffee. Steven accepted. When leaving he was arrested by the Harney County Sheriff Dave Glerup and BLM Ranger Orr. Sheriff Glerup then ordered him to go to the ranch and bring back his father. Both Dwight and Steven were booked and on multiple Oregon State charges. The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined that the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.

(k) In 2011, 5 years after the police report was taken, the U.S. Attorney Office accused Dwight and Steven Hammond of completely different charges, they accused them of being “Terrorist” under the Federal Antiterrorism Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996. This act carries a minimum sentence of five years in prison and a maximum sentence of death. Dwight & Steven’s mug shots were all over the news the next week posing them as “Arsonists”. Susan Hammond (Wife & Mother) said: “I would walk down the street or go in a store, people I had known for years would take extreme measures to avoid me”.

(l) Shortly after the sentencing, Capital Press ran a story about the Hammonds. A person who identified as Greg Allum posted three comments on the article, calling the ranchers “clowns” who endangered firefighters and other people in the area while burning valuable rangeland. Greg Allum, a retired BLM heavy equipment operator, soon called Capital Press to complain that he had not made those comments and request that they be taken down from the website. Capital Press removed the comments. A search of the Internet Protocol address associated with the comments revealed it is owned by the BLM’s office in Denver, Colorado. Allum said, he is friends with the Hammonds and was alerted to the comments by neighbors who knew he wouldn’t have written them. “I feel bad for them. They lost a lot and they’re going to lose more,” Allum said of the ranchers. “They’re not terrorists. There’s this hatred in the BLM for them, and I don’t get it,” The retired BLM employee said. Jody Weil, deputy state director for communications at BLM’s Oregon office, indicated to reporters that if one of their agents falsified the comments, they would keep it private and not inform the public.

(m) In September 2006, Dwight & Susan Hammond’s home was raided. The agents informed the Hammonds that they were looking for evidence that would connect them to the fires. The Hammonds later found out that a boot print and a tire tracks were found near one of the many fires. No matching boots or tires were found in the Hammonds home or on their property. Susan Hammond (Wife) later said; ” I have never felt so violated in my life. We are ranchers not criminals”. Steven Hammond openly maintains his testimony that he started the backfire to save the winter grass from being destroyed and that the backfire ended up working so well it put out the fire entirely altogether.

(n) During the trial proceedings, Federal Court Judge Michael Hogan did not allow time for certain testimonies and evidence into the trail that would exonerate the Hammonds. Federal prosecuting attorney, Frank Papagni, was given full access for 6 days. He had ample time to use any evidence or testimony that strengthened the demonization of the Hammonds. The Hammonds attorney was only allowed 1 day. Much of the facts about the fires, land and why the Hammonds acted the way they did was not allowed into the proceedings and was not heard by the jury. For example, Judge Hogan did not allow time for the jury to hear or review certified scientific findings that the fires improved the health and productivity of the land. Or, that the Hammonds had been subject to vindictive behavior by multiple federal agencies for years.

(o) Federal attorneys, Frank Papagni, hunted down a witness that was not mentally capable to be a credible witness. Dusty Hammond (grandson and nephew) testified that Steven told him to start a fire. He was 13 at the time and 24 when he testified (11 years later). At 24 Dusty had been suffering with mental problems for many years. He had estranged his family including his mother. Judge Hogan noted that Dusty’s memories as a 13-year-old boy were not clear or credible. He allowed the prosecution to continually use Dusty’s testimony anyway. When speaking to the Hammonds about this testimony, they understood that Dusty was manipulated and expressed nothing but love for their troubled grandson.

(p) Judge Michael Hogan & Frank Papagni tampered with the jury many times throughout the proceedings, including during the selection process. Hogan & Papagni only allowed people on the jury who did not understand the customs and culture of the ranchers or how the land is used and cared for in the Diamond Valley. All of the jurors had to drive back and forth to Pendleton everyday. Some drove more than two hours each way. By day 8 they were exhausted and expressed desires to be home.

On the final day, Judge Hogan kept pushing them to make a verdict. Several times during deliberation, Judge Hogan pushed them to make a decision. Judge Hogan also would not allow the jury to hear what punishment could be imposed upon an individual that has convicted as a terrorist under the 1996 act. The jury, not understanding the customs and cultures of the area, influenced by the prosecutors for 6 straight days, very exhausted, pushed for a verdict by the judge, unaware of the ramification of convicting someone as a terrorist, made a verdict and went home.

(q) June 22, 2012, Dwight and Steven were found guilty of starting both the 2001 and the 2006 fires by the jury. However, the federal courts convicted them both as “Terrorist” under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act. Judge Hogan sentenced Dwight (Father) to 3 months in prison and Steven (son) to 12 months in federal prison. They were also stipulated to pay $400,000 to the BLM. Hogan overruling the minimum terrorist sentence, commenting that if the full five years were required it would be a violation of the 8th amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). The day of the sentencing Judge Hogan retired as a federal judge. In his honor the staff served chocolate cake in the courtroom.

® On January 4,, 2013, Dwight and Steven reported to prison. They fulfilled their sentences, (Dwight 3 months, Steven 12 months). Dwight was released in March 2013 and Steven, January 2014.

(s) Sometime in June 2014, Rhonda Karges, Field Manager for the BLM, and her husband Chad Karges, Refuge Manager for the Malheur Wildlife Refuge (which surrounds the Hammond ranch), along with attorney Frank Papagni exemplifying further vindictive behavior by filing an appeal with the 9th District Federal Court seeking Dwight’s and Steven’s return to federal prison for the entire 5 years.*

(t) In October 2015, the 9th District Court “resentenced” Dwight and Steven, requiring them to return to prison for several more years. Steven (46) has a wife and 3 children. Dwight (74) will leave Susan (74) to be alone after 55 years of marriage. If he survives, he will be 79 when he is released.

(u) During the court preceding the Hammonds were forced to grant the BLM first right of refusal. If the Hammonds ever sold their ranch they would have to sell it to the BLM.

(v) Dwight and Steven are ordered to report to federal prison again on January 4th, 2016 to begin their re-sentencing. Both their wives will have to manage the ranch for several years without them.

To date they have paid $200,000 to the BLM, and the remainder $200,000 must be paid before the end of this year (2015). If the Hammonds cannot pay the fines to the BLM, they will be forced to sell the ranch to the BLM or face further prosecution. (more citations here)

 

 

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If the Farmers and Ranchers have been using that land responsibly for 50 or more years why change it now? How can the other Ranchers be hit with double jeopardy on sentencing in 2 dfifferent states on the same charges?

 

Dog: Whats with the purple background on you added info? Kinda makes it hard to read. Thanks for the effort.

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... the evil FED has handed over more of Our Land to the UN than most know.... (int'l. global warming pact)

 

they've even handed quite a bit over to the dirty ChiComs....! (debt resolution agreement)

 

...and continue to "manage it" (BLM) under contract to both these evil entities.

 

evil FED say's we are trespassing and THEY are in control and have authority to punish US for it.

 

Now if THAT don't make ya mad, nuthin' will.   <_<

 

ho'bummer sez "you didn't build that... you Americans don't even own THAT anymore !"

 

 

 

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Hey Shabs the dems need worry about bridling Hildabeast and the republicans will keep a leash on Tump. So far the dems haven't done a very good job at.....anything, I think that most of us are ready for change I mean after all it can't get any worse than it already has. 

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Hey Shabs the dems need worry about bridling Hildabeast and the republicans will keep a leash on Tump. So far the dems haven't done a very good job at.....anything, I think that most of us are ready for change I mean after all it can't get any worse than it already has. 

 

Can't argue with that logic, Tex.   :peace:   But it doesn't appear the GOP is having much luck getting Trump to bite the bit.   :lol: 

 

GO RV, then BV

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The guys who unintentionally burned about 100 acres of BLM weeds while burning their own weeds to make a fire break did their time as sentenced, and then a fed appeals court said a 5 year minimum sentence applies and ordered them back to prison.  BUT NO CHARGES WERE EVER BROUGHT (NOR EVEN A REPRIMAND PUT INTO A PERSONNEL FILE) AGAINST THE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES WHO DID THE SAME THING DESPITE ADVERSE WEATHER REPORTS AND DID MANY MILLIONS OF DAMAGE TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES AND CAUSED INJURIES IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA IN ONE OF THE WORST MAN MADE FIRES EVER! 

 

PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION LIKE THAT WILL EVENTUALLY LEAD TO FREE FIRE ZONES. 

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Shabs... the language and the narrative of the article presupposes the militia's intent, as in "guilty until proven innocent".  It lacks professional objectivity.  Here are some examples.  My comments are in red...

On the second day of its armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the Bundy militia shifted tactics. From a state of lockdown it moved to a charm offensive, inviting a small media contingent inside its redoubt, with warm smiles and waves.

 

- The "shifting of tactics to 'charm offensive' description" alleges their initial protest was otherwise, perhaps violent and threatening.... it was not.

 

Members of the rightwing Bundy militia occupied the wildlife refuge in Oregon over the weekend, threatening a confrontation with federal authorities, in support of two cattle ranchers who were convicted of setting fires on federal land.

 

- Using the word "rightwing" is a political agenda tool... is inaccurate... and has no place in objective reporting.  The use of the terms "threatening" and "confrontation" is also inaccurate, as self-defense is anyone's personal right.  They never aggressively threatened anyone.  The report's words used should be describing a more reactive-oriented action, as in "enacting a defensive position" or "promising to defend their rights".

 

Ammon Bundy, the 40-year-old leader of the men occupying the federal buildings, insisted his men were peaceful. But, he said, if the federal government tried to take back the refuge, “they would be putting lives at risk”.

 

- This is intentionally written as if they are threatening others.  More accurately, In the militia's context,... In defending themselves, lives would be at risk... the aggressors, as well as their own.

 

Everything was calculated to project an image of calm and reason and the absence of any threat. Just after 11am, Bundy opened his media conference.

 

- This is written as if "calculating" (with calm and reason) an effective stance is nefarious.  To the contrary... it is productive and diplomatic.   And again, the reporter's words imply that there IS a threat involved.  This is just a false narrative.

 

Bundy is the son of the Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, whose victory in a land rights standoff with federal agents made the family famous in 2014. He responded to questions patiently and in an even, measured voice. Such poise was clearly a product of his experience at the Bundy ranch, deployed in an effort to defuse the accusation that the group’s actions here were those of extremists or terrorists.

 

- "Extremists or terrorists"... according to who?  This reporter fails to point fingers... because the media is part of the problem.  The "accusation" must be perpetuated as factual, or foregone.  This is lazy... yet intentional.

 

That marked a shift from the previous day, when Bundy’s conspicuously armed men completed their occupation of this small collection of federal buildings.

 

- The "shift" is nothing more than forced perception by the media, and this reporter.  It must presuppose nefarious activity, over patriotic activity.

 

Nevertheless, the sunshine policy turned out to go only so far. Bundy confirmed that fire observation towers at the refuge were now occupied by marksmen, for “safety”, and said he was “absolutely” prepared to use force if he thought the situation warranted it.

 

- The "sunshine policy" is again meant to force the perception narrative as some sort of contrast to the overall intentions of this group.  It is nothing more than the media's agenda-driven perspective.  Again, from the militia's perspective... their "policy" has been nothing but "sunshine", as most patriotic protests and endeavors are meant to be stances for enlightenment, if not a reminder... a wake-up call, if you will.

 

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Shabs does this sound like Al Qaeda to you?

 

“This is your land. Although it makes it complicated for us, we are not about restricting.”

 

Bundy concluded by outlining his vision of the structure and powers of government in the US, as laid down in the constitution.

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  • “The federal government’s job is to protect the states from the outside world,” he said.
  • “The states’ job is to protect the counties from the federal government.
  • "The counties’ job is to protect the people from the states."
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  • “And the people’s job is to be free.”

You have a strange view of people exercising the same rights you enjoy... 

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Feel free to expound, Jax.  All I read there were the circumstances.....didn't see anybody being shown in a negative light.....maybe that's your point.   :shrug: 

 

GO RV, then BV

 

wow, hopefully everything in your life isnt as short as your memory, otherwise I can see why you may be so angry...

 

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... the evil FED has handed over more of Our Land to the UN than most know.... (int'l. global warming pact)

 

they've even handed quite a bit over to the dirty ChiComs....! (debt resolution agreement)

 

 

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grrr... Bush set the stage, and Clinton signed the final act.

 

From giving China the ONLY deep water port on the west coast to FTZ's, the feds have NOT been our friends

 

Shabs does this sound like Al Qaeda to you?

 

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  • “And the people’s job is to be free.”

You have a strange view of people exercising the same rights you enjoy... 

 

Isn't remarkable how quickly people have forgotten about the fed's land grab last year?

 

From Reid forcing people off land they have had from generations in order to lease it to foreign companies, to the gov declaring even rain water collected off of your roof, to pot holes that fill with water belongs to them, to abusing "protected Species" laws to try to take control of 60% of the land in the western US.

 

I won't debate the merits of the original case, but for the "judge" to alter the sentencing was in fact a political agenda.

 

We are living under more oppressive tyranny than king georgie could have ever dreamed of.

 

And all the libtards can say is, "they were found guilty".

 

Thats is hollow, ignorant, servile, pathetic and just plain un-American.

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I did not realize that a year after being released from an imposed jail sentence, the court could order you to jail for an extended time on the same charge.  No double jeopardy since there was no second trial, but a second sentencing?  Something very very wrong with that.

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RICO... right.  :twothumbs:

But the libtard sky-is-falling climate-change hysterians'll tell ya all that burning is causing the Planet to die ! 

 

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Yup, RV ME...

 

but what do you expect from a LAWLESS FED who now claims they can bust into your

home without a Warrant,

take your guns without cause,

arrest you and leave you to languish in prison without due process and

answer to NO LAWS nor any JUSTICE nor Our Constitution any longer...?   :confused2:

 

The evil FEDS are pushing the DICTATORSHIP envelope to the limit...

 

C'mon, Patriots... what's YOUR limit...?  :confused2:

 

Are we there yet...?  :confused2:   Had enough already...?   :confused2:

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The Easter Bundys of the American Spring coming to save Christmas?!  This thing is as fake as they come when looking at this. 

 

San Bernardino Holiday party massacre by Mary and Joseph Isis. 

Robert Dear, Bambi, in Colorado trying to save the babies in the abortion clinic. 

Oregon Chris Minz, Christmas, and Chris Mercer, Christmaser in Oregon. 

Now the Easter Bundys traveling to Donner und Blitzen R. to save Christmas. 

 

http://www.rivers.gov/rivers/donner-und-blitzen.php


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_und_Blitzen_River


Just another government psychological operation that many of you will think is actually real. 

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