divemaster5734 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Years of wasted time, billions of wasted money, and thousands of people dead from losing their previous insurance, just as everything else ocommie has put his hands on, the AHA is a failure...DM Four exchanges insolvent, 11 receive warning letters . . . and nearly 2 million enrollees aren't paying their subsidized premiums ObamaCare exchanges collapsing, enrollment plummeting Gosh, who saw this coming? The federal government sets up an artificial market for selling health insurance, sets the prices, subsidizes the premiums, goads people to buy who’ve never before been able to afford it, forbids profits and bans anyone who actually knows what they’re doing from running the darn things. How could that possibly fail? Quite spectacularly as it turns out. While the mainstream media ignores all of the following, lest it stumble in its role as Democrat campaign propagandists, the Wall Street Journal editorial page is doing its usual excellent job of telling us what’s really happening with ObamaCare. And in short, the economic model is failing. The state exchanges are turning out to be complete disasters, and of the 11.7 million people who signed up for health insurance with subsidized premiums, nearly 2 million of them still can’t pay their premiums. This is a mess: Some churn is inevitable, but the Congressional Budget Office estimated two years ago that some 13 million would participate in 2015, and its most recent revision in March of this year still pegged the figure at 11 million. The CBO nonetheless now projects ObamaCare will more than double in size in 2016 to 21 million, and such a growth spurt is probably necessary to stabilize the insurance markets. But don’t count on the attrition problem going away given ObamaCare’s high and rising costs, as well as its low quality that is approaching Medicaid levels of coverage. The plans simply don’t offer good value for the money. In a new working paper, Wharton economists Mark Pauly, Adam Levine and Scott Harrington estimate how much better or worse off the non-poor uninsured are under ObamaCare. They measure the cost of the plans, the benefits of consuming pre-paid medical care and out-of-pocket payments without obtaining coverage. They conclude that, “even under the most optimistic assumptions,” half of the formerly uninsured take on both a higher financial burden and lower welfare, and on net “average welfare for the uninsured population would be estimated to decline after the ACA if all members of that population obtained coverage.” In other words, ObamaCare harms the people it is supposed to help. This is not a prescription for a healthy, durable program. Markets have also been disrupted by a cascade of failures among the ObamaCare co-ops that were intended as a liberal insurance utopia. These plans were seeded with billions of dollars in federal start-up loans and were supposed to work like the credit unions or the electric collectives of the Depression era. No profits were allowed, advertising to introduce new products was restricted and industry executives were barred from management. As it turns out, attempting to outlaw expertise and incentives tends not to produce good results. ObamaCare economic model was never feasibleThere’s so much wrong with ObamaCare, I won’t even begin to claim I’m covering it all. But I do want to point out one of the most important flaws in the overall concept: Democrats thought it would be a huge win to get as many people as possible “covered” and to have the policies under which they were covered pay for as many basic things as possible. And they were sure that if the number of enrollees rose, they could control the cost of the premiums. Why isn’t it working? Because the entire premise behind that thought is flawed. What makes health care so expensive is the fact that everyone relies on third parties to pay for even the most rudimentary things like basic doctor’s office visits that folks can and should pay for out of pocket. Liberals will tell you government has to pay for this stuff because no one will go for “preventive” visits unless it’s free to them. But actual behavior doesn’t bear that out. Non-emergency uses of ERs on the rise - exactly the opposite of what ObamaCare’s champions said would happen. And overall health care costs are soaring as a signficant chunk of those signing up through ObamaCare are really signing up through expanded Medicaid, which limits doctor reimbursements while exploding demand on the system. Meanwhile, there’s a reason so many of these people can’t afford the premiums. Subsidies or not, their income isn’t stable enough to handle the monthly obligation, which is why it makes no sense to try to get them “covered” under all-inclusive health insurance policies that demand a monthly premium from them in order to make things “free” that most people could just pay for themselves. The Journal points out that Democrats figured all along the federal government could just bail out the exchanges if this happened, but now that we’ve got Republican control of Congress, they’re not able to get nearly enough money allocated to do that. I’m actually shocked that Obama doesn’t hold out for everything he wants and accuse the Republicans of trying to “shut down the government” if they don’t give it to him - followed promptly by a Republican cave. Come to think of it, maybe I shouldn’t have raised the idea. But none of this changes the fact that the ObamaCare economic model was never feasible, and now we’re seeing the inevitable result of that. The fact that the mainstream media won’t tell you this is the most damning thing of all here. At least Democrats will tell you their mission in life is to redistribute wealth and give you free stuff. The media claims to be in the business of informing the public. They’re the biggest liars of all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texstorm Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Thanks Divemaster ! I can't wait for the day this Obama Care falls flat on it's ass , we all knew that it was all a crock anyways. Never in my lifetime has an Administration lead a lie like this one. Anyone that bought into this has got the brains of a fricken amoeba ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog53 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Nice piece dive Man oh man I cant think of one . Not even one agency that the GOVT is in control of that runs smoothly. What made them think that they could pull off running something as big as healthcare. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGlobe7 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 I agree...cant wait for this one to just go away.....this is the worst idea EVER!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captl1 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Guess they should of read it before they passed it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGlobe7 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 no...to lazy...trusted Hillarious and Obama to much..they would NEVER put something together that was BAD!!??!! Right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Will this subject ever come up in one of the debates, or will CNN decide not to bring the subject up at all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV ME Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Good stuff Dive. But there is another aspect of the destined to fail Obummercare that was not mentioned in the article that also needs to be pointed out. We were lied to errrrrr told that since the poor uninsured would now have insurance, they would not be going to the emergency room for routine medical matters. Turns out that since the previously uninsured cannot afford the co-pay that comes with their “free” insurance, there has been no reduction in non-emergency emergency room visits. Part of the snake oil sales pitch of Obummercare was that there would be a huge savings to hospitals by relieving them of the burden of providing primary care through the emergency room, and just like every other part of Obummercare, just another lie and massive FAILURE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siberian_shaddow Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Much appreciated Dive, obama care that to me spells failure and disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Hayduke Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 What made them think that they could pull off running something as big as healthcare. Their low regard for the sheeples intellect..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janieb1 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Are you a sport diver or a commercial diver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPSprayduster Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 can you please post the link for the entire article? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrparrot Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 ***raises his wing*** "Yes, you in the back row, wearing the green suit.". "I have a question. If this program falls flat, and fails, and is cancelled, will that automatically undo all the tax increases that were part of it, or will they need to be undone individually, by some other group of incompetent nincompoops in the government?". "Oh my, look at the time. It seems that we're out of time for this Q&A session. Thank you for attending, and don't forget to tip your waitresses...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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