Kentucky Clerk is "New America" Political Prisoner

[divemaster5734]

She didn't break any laws, and that is why the libs hate her.

By incarcerating her, progressives are demanding all laws are to be made through "public decree".

Forget Congress, forget the actual laws of the land. 

That is NOT America, it is socialist judicial activism, taken to an entirely new, and very dangerous level.....JMHO....DM

 

  Kentucky County Clerk upheld the law and is a political prisoner in America

 

By Doug Hagmann -- Bio and Archives  September 4, 2015 
 

 

I’ll make this very brief, for it’s not that complicated. Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis broke no laws. In fact, she kept to her oath of office and upheld the Kentucky state Constitution by refusing to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. Setting aside her Christian beliefs here, I ask anyone to show me the codified law of Rowan County or the state statute in which she has allegedly violated. It does not exist.

The “dirty little secret” that the Marxists, Communists and Fabian Socialists who have captured our nation desperately don’t want you to know is that Kim Davis executed her duties exactly as she was elected to do, for there is no law that permits Kim Davis or anyone in her office to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples. None! The Supreme Court opinion of June 26, 2015 does not trump the laws of the state or county and is not the law of the land – period.

 

 

Simply because political leaders and media pundits claim that the SCOTUS decision in the Obergefell case claim that “homosexual marriage” is “the law of the land” does not make it so, regardless how many times the lie is repeated in the captured corporate media.

Through judicial activism by black-robed terrorist federal judges, Kim Davis has been unlawfully imprisoned in the state of Kentucky. It is therefore incumbent upon that state’s highest elected official, the Governor of the state of Kentucky, to order her release immediately. Failure to do so constitutes a violation of his oath to uphold his duties by enforcing the laws in his state.

The same applies to the sheriff of Rowan County, the highest elected official of the county, to uphold his oath of office and demand Ms. Davis’ release.

Alternatively, produce the codified state or county law that she has allegedly broken.

There is none.

The emperor has no clothes.

 

[Peace]

That sucks. So it is a federal judge that has her in there? The state should step in...

[DinarCash]

She is a brave individual.  She answers to God and know one else. 

[Markinsa]

[Nelg]

For those who don't know . . . Kim Davis is a democrat and the judge who had her put in jail is a republican, which is an interesting switch.  

[DinarCash]

No offense Nelg, but her heart is with God in her choice.  So it really doesn't matter what party you're affiliated with... as long as God is on your side. 

 

Both parties are flawed.

[Texstorm]

That means there is hope for democrats ! I totally respect this woman. Thanks DM for bringing this travesty to light ! I would say that she has a pretty good case against the state of Kentucky now it will be interesting to watch it unfold. I pray that a lawyer of great status will take her defense and right the wrong that has been done to her. Thanks everyone for all of your inputs. I believe Texas is a jump of head on this. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton ® is telling county officials in the state that they can deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples if they have religious objections to doing so. Paxton referred to the Supreme Court's ruling as "lawlessness " .

[Nelg]

None taken, but there are those who want to make this a political issue. However this has nothing to do with a political agenda but is a spiritual conviction of Ms. Davis.  

 

In today's climate of condemning anyone holding a spiritual conviction, the political label does not matter.  If one is a Christian and holds faithfully to what one believes, there will be reprisal.  It is the nature of the beast.   

[TPSprayduster]

I am sure Mrs Davis didn't think by not following the rule of law that should be in jail.  Well, when you fail to follow the law and in some opinion think she is right by not issuing the licenses.   Well when you are a government employee and took an oath to uphold the law you cannot impose your beliefs on others.  I think she is in for a long stay in the pokey but she will make a boat load of money on book and speaking fees though.  As nelg says this is not about politics as some try to spin into an anti obama issue.  Either she issues the license or request her name to be removed from the license and not impose her religious beliefs on other.  Just my opinion.  Now, God will have his vengence and we should not try to take it for him.

[Markinsa]

I am sure Mrs Davis didn't think by not following the rule of law that should be in jail.  Well, when you fail to follow the law and in some opinion think she is right by not issuing the licenses.   Well when you are a government employee and took an oath to uphold the law you cannot impose your beliefs on others.  I think she is in for a long stay in the pokey but she will make a boat load of money on book and speaking fees though.  As nelg says this is not about politics as some try to spin into an anti obama issue.  Either she issues the license or request her name to be removed from the license and not impose her religious beliefs on other.  Just my opinion.  Now, God will have his vengence and we should not try to take it for him.

 

What law did she break?

 

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[divemaster5734]

What law did she break?

 

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The federal "judge" actually broke state law by incarcerating her.

He is guilty of conspiring to kidnap, and any that locked her up are guilty as well.

It has been the feds position that they trump any and all state laws.

 

Would be nice to see this escalate into a states rights issue.

But then, that's what the civil war was about to start with.

The north called it something against slavery, but that was just to increase enlistment, and wasn't even an issue until half way through.

Truth is southern states were getting the raw 1/2 of the whole union deal, and didn't want to let their states lands be part of the reorganization required 70 years after the revolution.

1st   1791

2nd  1861

3rd   1931

4th   2001

Notice anything strange about those dates?

[Shabibilicious]

Just to be clear, she stopped issuing ALL marriage licenses....thus neglecting her duty as a government employee.  She should be fired.....not jailed.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[billbill]

Just to be clear, she stopped issuing ALL marriage licenses....thus neglecting her duty as a government employee.  She should be fired.....not jailed.    

 

GO RV, then BV

She cannot be fired....she is an elected official. I only heard of her refusing to sign marriage certificates which is required for the doc. to become legal. I had the impression that she had others in her department issuing the licenses. She is the top official and has to sign them before they are recorded as legal and binding. Of course I have been misinformed before...more often than not...

[Shabibilicious]

She cannot be fired....she is an elected official. I only heard of her refusing to sign marriage certificates which is required for the doc. to become legal. I had the impression that she had others in her department issuing the licenses. She is the top official and has to sign them before they are recorded as legal and binding. Of course I have been misinformed before...more often than not...

 

I have no knowledge of how things are done in that Kentucky county, but in my county, when the county recorder is out of the office.....any of her deputy recorders can sign in her place.  They always print the actual recorders name, then their own name and signature below it.  Government offices are open certain hours for public convenience.  Breaks and lunches are staggered so an employee is always available to accomplish the mission.

 

GO RV, then BV

[Man_Kind]

Exit only

[Yukon Silvermoon]

A private business should have the right to refuse service to anyone at any time for any reason.  The problem is that she is a public official who is paid with tax dollars.  Her religious beliefs are not a valid argument for her not to do a completely legal act.

[DinarMillionaire]

God has the patent on marriage...

The not so Supremes have infringed on that patent in my opinion. They'll answer for it some day. I think Mrs. Davis is doing the right thing.

Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God with Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24 states: "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."

In Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus reaffirms this: "He answered, ‘Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one’?

[TPSprayduster]

What law did she break?

 

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Failed to issue marriage licenses to all who are requesting them.  DIsobeying an an order from an appointed judge who is a republican appointee to follow the opinon of the SCOTUS.  The Supreme Court says all can be married.  I know alot of you who think the SCOTUS is full of dung and when they rule and offend some of you all of you that it applies to you get mad and say all kinds of crazy things.  If she does not want to issue the licenses then step down.  Should she be allowed to impose her beliefs on all?   Sorry Divemaster not replying to you or reading your note.

Edited September 9, 2015 by TPSprayduster

[Jaxinjersey]

Hmmmm... I see a lot of responses here that do not address the content of the original post... just a lot of parroting the MSM's statist perspective.

 

I find it very curious that I have not heard ANYTHING validating Doug Hagman's viewpoint on this, as I'm sure there's a lot of attention behind the scenes, that there is a legitimate argument...

 

Funny, how sometimes these things take a while to filter through the masses!

 

We'll see!

[Markinsa]

Failed to issue marriage licenses to all who are requesting them.  DIsobeying an an order from an appointed judge who is a republican appointee to follow the opinon of the SCOTUS.  The Supreme Court says all can be married.  I know alot of you who think the SCOTUS is full of dung and when they rule and offend some of you all of you that it applies to you get mad and say all kinds of crazy things.  If she does not want to issue the licenses then step down.  Should she be allowed to impose her beliefs on all?   Sorry Divemaster not replying to you or reading your note.

 

Please be more specific.  Exactly what law did she break? USC ##? Statute ###?  

 

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[Shabibilicious]

Young Kentucky sweethearts Billy Bob and Lilly Rose shouldn't have to borrow Uncle Jr's truck to drive over the county line to get their marriage license.....they're in love and want to get hitched.  Do your job Kim....or step aside.  Plain and simple, easy peazy, no brainer.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[TPSprayduster]

No need to be more specific, i think you are trying to be a wise ass sir.  She was ordered or better told to do her job by issuing licenses to those who are requesting them.  She chose to impose her religous beliefs on those in her office and those who are requesting a license.  She is being paid 80K per year to do a job.  She is not doing her job.  If all of you who are high and mighty and quote the bible like i play fantasy football, i believe it is a verse that says to the fact, Vengence is mine says the Lord.  Not sure why everyone is trying to do God's Job but i think he can do it by himself and he does need our help.  So when she comes back to work and tries to prevent her clerks who are willing to follow the directive from the highest court in the land she will end up back in the clink.   What i have observed from all my years on this forum is this, if the rulings and decisions are in favor of a certain group of folks all is good.  But when it goes against your will or beliefs all are in a uproar.  IMO those who choose to marry into a same sex relationship will have to answer for their decision one day.  I have my beliefs and you have yours Mark.  Kim will return to work next week and we will see if Mike Huckabee will come and take her place in the county lock up or is was it just a political stunt..

[Jaxinjersey]

Hey TP... how ya doing?  I think Mark is merely asking, in context to the original post by DiveMaster.  I already posted my own query as to why responses in this thread do not address the original post???  In that, I guess the relevant question is... are you contesting the information and perspective of it?  

[Nelg]

It is clear from several passages that the saint is to obey the laws of the land.  This is only right.  If the saint does not obey then they will suffer the consequences of being disciplined by the government.

“Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution: whether to a king as the one in authority; or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.  For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish en. Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as covering for evil, but use it as bond slaves of God” (1Pt 2:13-16).    “If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. By no means let any of you suffer as a murderer, or thief or evil doer, or a troublesome meddler; but if any one suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but in that name let him glorify God” (1Pt 4:12-16).

 

In most situation it is a simple procedure for a saint to comply with the laws established by the ruling powers of government.  However, in this case Ms. Davis held the belief that marriage is between a male and a female.  It is the prescribed way for a couple to be joined together as husband and wife.  It is against the moral teaching of the Bible for those of the same sexual gender to marry.  This is the “faith” which she held for years.  This law came into being “after” she had been in office for several years. 

 

For her to go against her conscious and sin is far worse than disobeying the law of the land or it’s rulers.  It is always the case when believers are involved that the biblical laws and principles will always be the higher authority.  In this case the Constitution is not the higher law; it is the Bible and biblical moral principles.

 

In Scripture (Romans 14; 1Corinthians 8) Paul discusses the right for a person to eat or not eat meat that has be sacrificed to idols.  The stronger saint knows that an idol is nothing and that eating the meat is not a sin.  However, the weaker saint things that it is.  In such cases, the stronger saint and the weaker saint are not to judge each other.  It is God who says whether they will stand or fall.  But we are not to be an example that might cause the weaker person to fall. 

 

Ms. Davis, in this case is going by both her conscious and the rule of Scripture.  She is correct to make the stand she is making, and it is no doubt that she will suffer the consequences.  But as for me . . . ? 

 

“The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin “ (Rm 14:22-23).

[Markinsa]

No need to be more specific, i think you are trying to be a wise ass sir.  She was ordered or better told to do her job by issuing licenses to those who are requesting them.  She chose to impose her religous beliefs on those in her office and those who are requesting a license.  She is being paid 80K per year to do a job.  She is not doing her job.  If all of you who are high and mighty and quote the bible like i play fantasy football, i believe it is a verse that says to the fact, Vengence is mine says the Lord.  Not sure why everyone is trying to do God's Job but i think he can do it by himself and he does need our help.  So when she comes back to work and tries to prevent her clerks who are willing to follow the directive from the highest court in the land she will end up back in the clink.   What i have observed from all my years on this forum is this, if the rulings and decisions are in favor of a certain group of folks all is good.  But when it goes against your will or beliefs all are in a uproar.  IMO those who choose to marry into a same sex relationship will have to answer for their decision one day.  I have my beliefs and you have yours Mark.  Kim will return to work next week and we will see if Mike Huckabee will come and take her place in the county lock up or is was it just a political stunt..

 

This is my point, you don't know what law she broke, otherwise you would have simply posted it here.  You can't say she broke laws if you don't have a clue to what law she broke. You are making accusations you can't back up. That's my opinion.

 

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