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The first debate of the 2016 hopefuls is now in the history books.

All 17 had a chance, seven from the bottom of the polls went first, then, the top tier went head to head for prime time.

Personally, I think Trump hurt himself.

He was the obvious beginner, out gunned by even John Kasich, who only found out he would fill the last spot two days ago.

The fact Trump didn't bother to study up was painfully apparent, and he resorted to his by now usual rhetoric, and fiery comebacks.

He brought a knife to a gunfight.

I'm not saying he's out, not at all, I think he needs to figure out exactly who he really is, communicate that to America, and brush up on issues other than immigration and trade deals.

I was impressed with Cruz, in spite of myself. 

Carson, the intellectual, had a chance to spotlight not just his logical deductions, quick humor, and humility, but a thorough understanding of the core problems within the major issues. 

My only concern with him is he is used to speaking to other intellectuals,  where the base level of understanding is far more encompassing than the normal 30 second attention span of many of the below average "enlightenment" of some voters. A couple of the replies required more fundamental knowledge  than I would give the general public credit for understanding, even the moderators missed some subtleties. 

Carson may be too cerebral, but then, he would get the black vote just because, so they would be helping themselves in spite of their activists.

Bush was vanilla. While he mentioned being driven by faith, if it's the same faith as his dad and brother, we don't need anymore of that.

Have never seen Huckabee so fired up.

He almost seemed decisive, for once.

I think Walker held his own, did like the comment about being fiercely average.

Considering the multiple pitched battles he survived in Wisconsin, he is one that has already proven he will stand his ground in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds if he believes in what he is doing.

All that said, politicians are famous for saying the right words just to get into office, then suffering an acute case of amnesia the day they are sworn in.

 

The floor is open, all comments are welcome.

What did you think?

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Good analysis DM. I was hoping Trump would have performed better, but I'm sure he'll use it as a learning experience. Really impressed with Huckabee, but his abortion comments will sadly ruin him. I liked Carson as well especially considering his experience level. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Walker needs some more charisma, and never let the camera see that massive bald spot. (it's bigger than mine). I love Cruz, but he's probably not going to appeal to enough people. Paul was a big letdown, he seemed greasy. I met Rubio in Vegas, and could never vote for him, even though he was well prepared (overly). I really don't like any of the other guys at all, and would not vote for them. 

 

And most importantly, the moderators SUCKED !!!

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I streamed this instead of my own nations first election debate tonight.

 

I found it to be nothing more than a glorified Q&A session, a debate requires ... well, real debate. I'm a policy wonk, I want specifics, not broad generalities. There was very little and I don't see how that helps educate the public. Having said that, given that it was also the first event, perhaps it was designed that way, and was more of a "get to know you" event on a national stage. It certainly helped keep Trump from being exposed for, in my opinion, the clown he is, as the rest of them would have had him running in circles in a 1 on 1 debate that requires more than empty rhetoric and blanket statements.

 

Kasich probably impressed me the most. If I was an American, nothing happened though that would change my vote from Rand Paul.

 

It will be interesting to see which one doesn't make the cut for the next one, because I suspect Carly Fiorina (if her campaign doesn't run out of money) will be movin' on up in the polls after her performance in the early debate.

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Way to early to tell...but I'm really getting to dispise career politicians! I liked Carson...would like to see him in an environment that allows him to elaborate more. I'm very hesitantly on the fence with Trump...oh I have no doubt he could get things done...but judging from his character and his Grand Canyon sized ego...I'm not sure that's what we need to unite and move on from all the damage that's been caused in this country for say the last say 15 yrs. or so...IMO!

Sandfly Dive! :)

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 I was hoping Trump would have performed better, but I'm sure he'll use it as a learning experience. Really impressed with Huckabee, but his abortion comments will sadly ruin him. I liked Carson as well especially considering his experience level. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Walker needs some more charisma, and never let the camera see that massive bald spot. (it's bigger than mine). I love Cruz, but he's probably not going to appeal to enough people. Paul was a big letdown, he seemed greasy. I met Rubio in Vegas, and could never vote for him, even though he was well prepared (overly). I really don't like any of the other guys at all, and would not vote for them. 

 

And most importantly, the moderators SUCKED !!!

A lot of us were hoping for a better Trump, I'm just hoping we didn't see everything he has to offer.

I was a skeptic at hearing about him joining the race, but so desperately wanted a non-politician to speak the truth, I have been trying to convince myself he is the guy.

Unfortunately, unless he breaks out some polish, his rough edges may be his own demise. He has flipflopped on key issues, and has no higher power than himself. That's scary.

Rand Paul has always had his own brand of "conservatism". Maybe he thinks it is a compromise for mass appeal, I just find it illogical.

 

Did you really expect anything else from them?

Exactly. You and Hooter bring up an extremely important issue. Fox News went into this with a predisposed agenda.

It's still just a little too soon for the globalists to complete their take down of America, so they still need to put on a dog and pony show.

The expected outcome is for one of their own establishment globalists to take the reigns.

With American's so charged up, this is a VERY critical time for them.

One wrong move can bring their whole house of cards crashing down, and send America into an ugly civil war.

Expect more of the same from every mainstream "source".

They have no choice, it's what their bosses want them to do.

 

I streamed this instead of my own nations first election debate tonight.

 

I found it to be nothing more than a glorified Q&A session, a debate requires ... well, real debate. I'm a policy wonk, I want specifics, not broad generalities. There was very little and I don't see how that helps educate the public. Having said that, given that it was also the first event, perhaps it was designed that way, and was more of a "get to know you" event on a national stage. It certainly helped keep Trump from being exposed for, in my opinion, the clown he is, as the rest of them would have had him running in circles in a 1 on 1 debate that requires more than empty rhetoric and blanket statements.

 

Kasich probably impressed me the most. If I was an American, nothing happened though that would change my vote from Rand Paul.

 

It will be interesting to see which one doesn't make the cut for the next one, because I suspect Carly Fiorina (if her campaign doesn't run out of money) will be movin' on up in the polls after her performance in the early debate.

Well, if demanding substance rather than empty promise, expecting clear, concise, and focused processes, designed to realistically eliminate the waste, deceptions, lawlessness, and oppression, can be summed up in one word, then by all means, call me a "wonk" too.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Trump yet, while I detest his arrogance, I appreciate his candor, but if he has no God other than himself, he has no one to answer to, other than himself, and just as he changed his mind to become republican, he can change his mind to go back to democrat. And would probably enjoy pissing off the entire nation to boot.

Sadly, I missed the 1st debate, and only watched some highlights. Have to start the day, but will find a full version of it and get back on impression.

Don't know about Paul, he is definitely not his dad.

 

Way to early to tell...but I'm really getting to dispise career politicians! I liked Carson...would like to see him in an environment that allows him to elaborate more. I'm very hesitantly on the fence with Trump...oh I have no doubt he could get things done...but judging from his character and his Grand Canyon sized ego...I'm not sure that's what we need to unite and move on from all the damage that's been caused in this country for say the last say 15 yrs. or so...IMO!

 

Agreed. I think Carson almost needs to get some issue specific videos out to allow the public to absorb the depth of his understanding.

I was very impressed with the style and delivery. Intellectualism alone isn't the cure though, sometimes, it's the curse, just look at academia. 

If Trump did actually start firing large chunks of wasteful government, the public would probably forgive his crass approach, but the left would never end in their vilification.

It's a looooong horse race folks . . . I expect the "lead" to change many times  . . . plenty of opportunities for people to Shine or " put Hoof in Mouth " 

Yes indeed.

And it is only now starting to get interesting.

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I was impressed with Rubio's decisiveness.  He obviously hit the books and was very well prepared.  Huckabee also did a very nice job....wasn't expecting that.  I thought Trump was clearly out of his element and takes things way too personal.  He gets butt hurt every time he feels slighted.  He over uses the term "politically correct" which he has clearly uses to replace "human decency".   As for the moderators, I felt like they were very fair and hit each candidate with tough questions.  As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

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Whoa whoa...Wait a minute Shabs....let me get this straight...your back on the BV??? ;o)

If so, then when this crazy ride is over I'll have one with you..."if"...you'll have one of my home brewed beers too buddy!!! (I hope you like a dark brew!)

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I was impressed with Rubio's decisiveness. He obviously hit the books and was very well prepared. Huckabee also did a very nice job....wasn't expecting that. I thought Trump was clearly out of his element and takes things way too personal. He gets butt hurt every time he feels slighted. He over uses the term "politically correct" which he has clearly uses to replace "human decency". As for the moderators, I felt like they were very fair and hit each candidate with tough questions. As always, just my opinion.

GO RV, then BV

Shabs, my take as well.

Indy

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I was impressed with Rubio's decisiveness.  He obviously hit the books and was very well prepared.  Huckabee also did a very nice job....wasn't expecting that.  I thought Trump was clearly out of his element and takes things way too personal.  He gets butt hurt every time he feels slighted.  He over uses the term "politically correct" which he has clearly uses to replace "human decency".   As for the moderators, I felt like they were very fair and hit each candidate with tough questions.  As always, just my opinion.

 

GO RV, then BV

He does seem to wear his emotions on his sleeve.

I think the moderators were extra tough on Trump, but I also think we deserved it.

He had to come up with more than pushing around reporters and smack talking about negotiating trade deals.

Both Huckabee and Rubio were on their A game.

Didn't think they had it to give.

 

Shabs, my take as well.

Indy

They are all top tier people.

Couldn't help but marvel at the collective power on the stage.

 

The one question that I didn't think was fair was the casino bankruptcy one.

This was discussed in another thread a few weeks ago.

Atlantic City is a bust.

Lots of businesses went chapter 7, I think he only did an 11.

It's the same as if a solder was running, and saying "you killed people for a living, what makes you think we can believe that you now care about people instead?"

The business thing was in a completely different universe, with specific rules, just like rules of engagement for war.

 

Pluses to all.

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So let’s see

 

We are 19 Trillion in the hole,

 

Billions of dollars of drugs are coming across our southern boarder

 

Unknown number (well over 20M) of illegals crossing our boarders - one who BTW shot my little sister in the head killing her dead

 

Lying political leaders 

 

93M Americans out of work

 

45M Americans on food stamps

 

Plus WAY MORE...

 

and

 

They have to talk about Trumps 4 bankruptcys our of over 500 business ventures

 

and some tweet he said out Rossie O'Donald after she bad mouthed him.

 

I don't get it!

 

That debate should have focused on the vision to reverse the 19 Trillion debt and secruity to the American people.

 

I will boycott M Kelly forever.

 

Peace.

 

God Bless the USA.


I also thought Trump held his own and did not bat an eye.

 

He had more air time than the rest.

 

Still has big poll numbers too.

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Unknown number (well over 20M) of illegals crossing our boarders - one who BTW shot my little sister in the head killing her dead

 

 Lying political leaders 

 

That debate should have focused on the vision to reverse the 19 Trillion debt and security to the American people.

 

 

I will boycott M Kelly forever.

 

Peace.

 

 God Bless the USA.

 

 

Kelly's ego has been growing with her apparent ratings.

I'm not a fox news "opinion" viewer, or any other lame stream media for that matter.

 

I think there were just too many of them to focus on a lot of specific details.

 

 

I was jumped by 8 across the street from Disneyland.

It's apparently a common dumping ground for the smugglers.

After a few days they get hungry and some start robbing.

I refused to give up my money, almost died fighting 'em off, still carry the scars.

 

I am really sorry about your sister.

It's a pain that you can only manage to forget about at times, but will never go away.

Posted this with a prayer for you.

Be Blessed

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And most importantly, the moderators SUCKED !!!

The moderators sucked.

 a debate requires ... well, real debate.

   As for the moderators, I felt like they were very fair and hit each candidate with tough questions.  As always, just my opinion.

 

 I don't get it!

I will boycott M Kelly forever.

Read today fox broke all time records.

I'm sure they "get it", and realize America is VERY concerned. 

So look for lots of shows and interviews to pop up, everyone will be trying to cash in on the campaign, and superstar reporter hopefuls will be coming out of the woodwork.

I recorded  the debate, skipped through the commercials and most of the commentary, and only stopped when one of the 10 were talking.

It's great for saving time, but tends to sanitize programs, so I didn't notice the 32% of the wasted time spent by the moderators tooting their own horns....DM

 

Thought you guys might like this, seems like you nailed it:

The Talking Head Election Debate

 

 

cover080715.jpgAmericans, or at least roughly half of their country’s population, are looking for a miracle to drag their country back from the cliff edge after almost seven years of a president intent on destroying it.

They found out last night they’ll get no help saving the country from the media, and disappointing to many conservatives, including Fox News.

 

Fox is crowing today and patting itself on the back that last night’s debate, watched by 24 million people, shattered all records.

“In the estimation of many reporters who cover the political and media beats, Fox News was the winner of the first GOP debate. And with the just-released ratings we can confirm that. (TV Newser)

“A whopping 24 million watched the debate from 9 p.m. ET to just past 11 p.m. ET. FNC drew 7.9 million in the A25-54 demo.

“This is now the highest non-sports cable program of all time, the highest-rated cable news program of all time, and Fox News’s most-watched program ever.

“The 5 p.m. ET debate, withe the 7 lower-tier candidates did very well for Fox News too, drawing 6.1 million total viewers and 1.2 million in the demo, making it the third-highest primary debate ever on cable.”

Bully for Fox. 

But shouldn’t it have been bully for the GOP hopefuls the debate was touted to be about, and even more importantly, bully for long-suffering Americans hoping against hope for that elusive miracle?

 

While viewers tuned in to get a look at the candidates and hear how they stand on the issues that matter most to them, Fox moderators took up nearly 32% of the debate time, in what could be best described as ‘The Talking Head Election Debate’.

Viewers learned more about Fox News than they did about the GOP presidential hopefuls when it became clear that like those of most other television networks, Fox talking head/reporters and anchors are on a self-serving mission to entertain viewers rather than report on the news. 

In taking over the limelight, the Fox moderators did everything but pull out their yo-yos.

Megyn Kelly was the big star of the opening act seeming to seek brownie points by going all out to knock real estate developer Donald Trump off his impressive popularity perch.

Kelly’s overly sensitive sensibilities, it seems were ruffled when Trump called Rosie O’Donnell names in countering insults she had hurled at his wife and children on The View. 

Not only did Kelly presume that the 24 million who tuned in wanted to watch her Star is Born performance, her act was one that flew in the face of what voters want.  So far it’s been Donald Trump, and it now appears that Fox News has joined the Establishment in trying to cancel him out.

The problem for We the People with reporters as entertainers is that with President Barack Obama pushing their country over the precipice at a breakneck pace, is that they want to judge GOP contenders for themselves.

The Donald’s wasn’t the only hide Kelly went after, she was out for Governor Scott Walker’s hide because of his stand on abortion.

“Would you really let a mother die rather than have an abortion?” Kelly asked. “And with 83 percent of the American public in favor of a life exception, are you too out of the mainstream on this issue to win the general election?” she asked Walker.

Fox may be boasting and preening about the record-breaking 24 million viewers who watched their ‘debate’, but they can make it 24 million who watched Fox News join the ranks of the biased leftwing mainstream media on prime time TV.

Kelly’s finale after the debate when she had Debbie Wasserman Shultz on as a special guest speaks volumes.

While Fox News fritters away time taking up nearly 32% of the presidential debate time, Americans are losing their country.

Their children are coming out of university with no job prospects.  Parents and grandparents lay awake nights worrying what kind of future their children face in a post constitutional America.

Meanwhile, among the 24 million viewers Fox News is gloating about, CNN and the New York Times loved last night’s biased presidential debate. 

No wonder.

Fox News is now just like them.

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Whoa whoa...Wait a minute Shabs....let me get this straight...your back on the BV??? ;o)

If so, then when this crazy ride is over I'll have one with you..."if"...you'll have one of my home brewed beers too buddy!!! (I hope you like a dark brew!)

 

Yep.....the wagon left me by the road, Rod.  I look forward to knocking a few back with you buddy.....always up for trying a new home brew.   :peace: 

 

GO RV, then BV

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So let’s see

 

 

We are 19 Trillion in the hole,

 

 

Billions of dollars of drugs are coming across our southern boarder

 

 

Unknown number (well over 20M) of illegals crossing our boarders - one who BTW shot my little sister in the head killing her dead

 

 

Lying political leaders 

 

 

93M Americans out of work

 

 

45M Americans on food stamps

 

 

Plus WAY MORE...

 

 

and

 

 

They have to talk about Trumps 4 bankruptcys our of over 500 business ventures

 

 

and some tweet he said out Rossie O'Donald after she bad mouthed him.

 

 

I don't get it!

 

 

That debate should have focused on the vision to reverse the 19 Trillion debt and secruity to the American people.

 

 

I will boycott M Kelly forever.

 

 

Peace.

 

 

God Bless the USA.

 

I also thought Trump held his own and did not bat an eye.

 

He had more air time than the rest.

 

Still has big poll numbers too.

 

Our government is broken. Corruption rules. We need to stop the thieves in our government from stealing our tax dollars and preventing us from living the great American way of life, and stop giving it all away, especially to the ones that want us wiped from the face of the earth.

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Shabs, ditto. Everyone else, great stuff, great discussions. I agree with most of them. This was not a typical debate, and never could be with such a large field of candidates. Each of them qualified to some degree. This was two things: 1st: It was a opportunity to truly introduce everyone to the American public. 2nd: This was a tool that will thin the herd.

 

However adequate their performances were its safe to say that only Fiorina will move forward from the lower tier group of 7. So 6 candidates are gone right there. Gone I think is Mr Paul and possibly Chris Christie. Which shaves the massive group of candidates down to 8 or 9 people.  As time moves forward and it becomes increasingly challenging to raise campaign funds, others will drop out. How soon that will be, eh who knows.   :soon: .  Trump was Trump, he did alright. I loved the Rosie dig. Ain't no PC bones in that mans body. Trump's main purpose is that he wants to place the Immigration issue on the table for both parties. It needs to be there and he alone has proven that it is an important issue to alot of Americans, Mexican Americans and Central American Americans included. Cesar Chavez the great Labor leader in the Mexican community did not approve of "illegal immigration" saying they take the jobs of the other Mexican workers that were already here. I digressed.

 

We need to seal the border, northern and southern.  We need to enforce all laws, including immigration., and E-verify. We need to allow our Border Patrol and ICE to do their job. And to do so without fear of prosecution because someone got hurt or shot after throwing rocks and or bullets their way. No AMNESTY? Call it what you may, I don't care, we simply cannot afford to deport 12 + million people. To do so will definitely bankrupt this nation. We, while simultaneously sealing the borders, should allow all illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship. Register them all, fine them $10,000 to $15,000 each, place them at the back of the line, and then require of them everything we require of other immigrants who come here legally. This, or something close to it, will allow them to come out and participate in the American Dream, pay taxes, buy homes, vote, everything. It will allow them to possess dignity, and not feel like they have to take abuse for fear of deportation should they complain.

 

Trumps purpose is to frame the DISCUSSIONS of Immigration. Our national debt, with it being the highest percentage of GDP ever after making comparative values equivalent, and how to best to bring it down. How to get the unemployed in America back to work, unemployed defined as the currently employed minus the figure of the former labor participation rate. He is to show how career politicians are inherently corrupt as he testified that he gave to the campaigns of Dems and Republicans alike as a cost of doing business. " So when I call said elected official with a issue they will take the call and work on his behalf. How he gave to The Clinton Foundation to get a favorable result from Sec of State Hillarious who's department was involved in a deal he had going. Just like the Bank of Scotland gave to The Clinton Foundation and paid Bill Clinton his highest speaking fee ever inorder to have the State Department drop an investigation into its American dealings. He connected the dots for the low informed voters on that one. He is to show that any canidate can evolve on a given topic over time and that this is not a bad thing. He is here to make all surviving candidates appear to be moderates. After he is done doing all this, I would hope the RNC will allow him to save face and simply treat him fairly even if he does not win the nomination.

 

As it was The Republican Party that fought a war against The Democratic Party to end slavery in America. May all Illegal or Undocumented Immigrants remember that it was The Republican Party in the U.S. that brought in true immigration reform and a path to U.S. Citizenship for them. That The Dems did not ever really care about getting it for them when they had the chance. Why else do the Dems continue to float legislation re immigration the even the immigrants can see have no chance of passing in the current House and Senate.

 

Megan Kelley, was not harsh. The pressure was applied equally to all who were asked a question. If she was harsh on the current front runner or others, this debate would not have obtained the respect that it did. Do you really want The Repubs to ask milk toast questions the way the media asks milky toast questions to Hilliary or Mr O/? Really? Or would you prefer a Republican Party that communicates to the American people " we hear what is important to you as our electorate and hunger to hear more from you. So we can fight for want you want,"

 

I kinda wish my man Walker did better than he did. I hope he regroups, recovers, and evolves. There should be a life exception to abortion, leaving the ultimate decision up to the mother and father of the child. Abortion should never be allowed to be used as a version/means of contraception.

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114.jpg?w=150&h=131NWO Zionist Donald Trump        :) Sorry guys I had to do it.  He is a hot mess. 

 

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2015/07/16/zionists-use-donald-trump-to-fix-another-election-we-the-people-do-not-need-another-hero/

 

All politics of the corporate governed UNITED STATES is futile. Start focusing your energy at the local and State levels. Start the vetting in the State. Take Federal Courts Seriously and start with our judges (cuz if our judges are corrupted then what good is a sentence). Let Assange give us what he knows. And let the States go after every politician known in bribery and corruption. State Rights woot woot!!! The Zionist Satanic Mob Ruled Evil Empire needs YOUR ENERGY, they know what works to get your buttons twisted, they need your energy that is how they feed and GROW.

 

We have learned nothing! They own the Banks, they own the Lawyers, they are the lawyers, they own the politicians, and they are the politicians, and the judges, they own every major corporation you can think of and they sit on all the boards as stakeholders. They are the CFR, and the WHO and the CDC. And Yes CNN MSNBC and FOX News is all statist owned. And they sit on the boards of all these important industries like technology and science and medicine, they literally create their own boards to oversee their own research. The Love of Money is Corrupt in their hearts. 

 

STOP FEEDING THEM ENERGY AND GIVE YOUR ENERGY LOCALLY AND TO THE STATE

 

If people could unite and focus at the local level on there own corruption then we could start giving control back to the people. 

 

 

There are way more of us then them. We have to find the local party in town and start raising Cain publicly putting these "officials" on notice. 

 

FIGHT CORPORATISM. 

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FIGHT CORPORATISM. 

 

Of coarse.

But to fly with the "eagle of liberty", one must first learn to stand, then walk, then run, then they can jump to fly.

 

Not saying Trump is the only one that would stand with us, but through this media adversity, "common folk" are beginning to again value making a stand.

As long as We the People are in fact the force that drive the electoral, and through our efforts a constitutional POTUS is put in that office, the rest of our plight will either be a simple matter of "education to enacting" peaceful, inevitable change, facilitated by our elected leader, or it will be an almost untenable fantasy, met with extreme prejudice by all "authority", guaranteed to manifest violence along with very unwanted civil unrest. 

 

Even if Trump only manages to enable the kind of leader needed for America's revival to be forged from another candidate, for now, his presence is needed.

 

As for corporatism, that doesn't stop with the 300 trade families placed by Rothschild, and their overt influence, it extends to the essence of each human beings standing in relation to our government.

Even if the education required began in earnest tomorrow, it would take years for everyone to understand, and accept the personal responsibility.

The benefits of true freedom come with proportionately increased personal liabilities, with inversely severe punishments to match the nature of a trespass on another beings liberty.

The libtards of today would howl with rage, and then wet themselves in fear, at the prospect of independence.

 

One step at a time, that's how our freedom was taken away, and that's how we will get it back.

 

I think that's the only way to avoid a senseless war. 

 

I have no desire to harm my brothers and sisters.

 

It's only a matter of relative perspective.

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This is my take on the debate, I was not impressed by any of them.  I blame the moderators for not addressing the issues.  Why are the GOP trying to upend donald trump i have no idea.  Why would megan kelly take on the Donald?  I see the same storm that formed in 2012 is gathering steam for another assault on the GOP.  It was the Ron Paul Machine and now it is the who can swift boat donald trump.  I respect donald because he says what he believes and does not apologize for it.  America wants a President who has some steel balls to make a decision.  Not hide behind political correctness.  IMO, Mr Trump is not going anywhere soon.  Matter of fact, if he decides to go 3rd party it is over.  He does not need money, he is worth 10 Billion.  I think the rest of the group should jump on his coat tails and ride the wave.  Foxnews is garabage anyway, the only reason i watched the debate was to see what the Donald had to say.  Everyone esle except for Dr Carson who did not speak enough, did not impress me.  I guess Rand Paul forgot the NSA overreach started after 911, if we would have waited for warrants and judges bin liden would have been still chilling in pakistan.

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I am a Trump protagonist. What many seem to be missing is that all the others are beholden to the lobbyist and/or the well-heeled political donors that support their campaigns for their own political reasons.. The Donald doesn't need them. He has no one pulling his strings. To me, that sounds great. Don't know about you all, but having the best government in the world that money can buy is about the same as being an American who is proud of having a government that can be bought; or spy on us and all leaders of foreign countries, get us 17 trillion in debt and trade 5 known terrorists for a treasonous deserter. 

 

Are we really 17 trillion dollars in debt? Trump has had a couple of corporate bankruptcies, not personal, but he ain't broke, fer sure. Maybe we need someone with his business acumen, bravado and fresh ideas (rather than one party line or the other) to get us out of this mess our "leaders" have led us into. 

 

I'd like to see a flat rate tax, concealed carry permits after background checks (New Jersey has no permits to carry), supreme court justices that are voted in (not appointed) so they are more apt to rule on their interpretations of the constitution and bill of rights instead of those of the president who appointed them.

 

And my own unicorn.

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