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Your comments don't make sense to me. Dinar dealers are not connected like a mafia. One dinar dealer (Sterling)  is charged with a civil offense of  money laundering. Criminal charges have not been filed yet. If you watch the video the former prosecutor says this is standard procedure to first confiscate the properties, then gather the info and charge the criminal charges.

There is one huge glaring point of procedure going on here that everyone should recognize. Why is it S.O.P. for Federal Prosecuters working fraud cases to file CIVIL LAW SUITS to seize assets of alledged criminals BEFORE criminal charges are filed? Huh? Our constitution use to guarantee that we who are charged with a crime are innocent until PROVEN GUILTY IN AmCOURT OF LAW ! For instance you cannot sue in civil court until you have suffered a loss. You cannot sue in civil court in anticipation of suffering a loss or in anticipation of the accused being convicted. What if they are judged innocent? Huh? We have the right to defend ourselves,to the full extent of the law, how can we do that if the Feds seize our money before we are charged? When you actually charge people with a crime, get an injunction that essentially freezes their assets until after the judgment comes in. Allowing their Attorneys access to funds for the accused defense.

Now insert all the facts that this Socialistic President and his administration, which include the Feds, are demonizing all who make a profit, huge or otherwise, in this country. Wonder why US corporations keep foreign profits out of the jurisdiction of then"Feds"? Ever wonder where Obama keeps his millions?

Two words

ADMIRALTY LAW

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So Now An Entire Week After Sterling Was Raided

 

And Hearing About TerryK Being Interrogated By The Feds

 

The Gurus Finally Feel Like They're In The Clear

 

And Are Now Starting To Come Out Of The Woodworks

 

To Comment On It ...

 

 

 

 6-10-2015   Newshound Guru Administrator Bob   Subject:  "June 2015 Sterling complaint from the United States"  

The IMF documents I believe are the most factual information we have on the potential of this investment.  

[Gurus] Kap, Enorrste...have done a very good job explaining the process.

 

 

6-11-2015   Newshound Guru Kaperoni   [Referencing Sterling]   I agree with [Guru Administrator] Bob and other posters or I would not have spent years of my life finding information on what Iraq is doing.  I soundly believe that the dinar will rise in value as Investors/investment comes into Iraq.  It hopefully will be as [Guru] Enorrste coined..."the wildwest of the middle east."  It just is going to take time to create that environment so it can happen.  This particular dinar dealer does not change that reality.

 

 

6-11-2015   Newshound Guru Tlar   [Referencing Sterling Currency Court Document]   

The scam they are talking about is not the physical dinar itself but the  system Sterling used to increase its sales.  

The governments wants this operation closed...This is a serious charge and will most likely be seen by the courts as a scam operation and will probably end up in seizure of the assets from this operation as the FBI wants.  Personally as far as I am concerned I pay more attention to Iraq...

It is Iraq's currency that we own. 

Iraq is a sovereign country and not part of the US. 

Ultimately Iraq will decide its own fate as to the value of their currency.  

Unless everything has changed, they have told us in the past that they want to add value and purchase power to their currency.

 

 

6-11-2015   Newshound Guru Tlar   

They have a delete the zero program if they ever will want to institute it. 

We as individuals have to decide for ourselves whether we think the currency will go up or down.  We are no different than any other currency speculator.  

Nothing you or I have done is illegal and the dinar is not a scam...

We wait patiently for Iraq to fix itself and help its citizens in the hopes that we too may complete the dream that George Bush had for Iraq when he allowed us to individually invest in this currency.  

When the then seated President of the United States allowed us to buy a US Treasury OFAC listed currency from a country under Chapter VII sanctions , directly from the big banks here in the US.  I bought alot from Chase and Bank of America.

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I'm interested in hearing more details on this. There is nothing illegal about selling dinar, and I've never seen anyone from Sterling pumping or promising any kind of ROI on the dinar - they were simply supplying something that there was a demand for. Who cares if they lived "extravagant lifestyles" due to their success as a currency dealer? That's not illegal either. And if the currency they were selling was legitimate currency... still completely legal.

 

What's the "ponzi" aspect here? If they are giving physical dinar to their customers, there is no ponzi. It's a simple transaction, where the customer receives exactly what they paid for.

 

This just doesn't make sense as a "scam". Maybe there's some tax evasion or something else going on.

 

Verrryy interesting...

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I'm interested in hearing more details on this. There is nothing illegal about selling dinar, and I've never seen anyone from Sterling pumping or promising any kind of ROI on the dinar - they were simply supplying something that there was a demand for. Who cares if they lived "extravagant lifestyles" due to their success as a currency dealer? That's not illegal either. And if the currency they were selling was legitimate currency... still completely legal.

 

What's the "ponzi" aspect here? If they are giving physical dinar to their customers, there is no ponzi. It's a simple transaction, where the customer receives exactly what they paid for.

 

This just doesn't make sense as a "scam". Maybe there's some tax evasion or something else going on.

 

Verrryy interesting...

I agree Adam there is a set up of some kind going on probably to dig up what they are really looking for like tax evasion & saw dinar scam as a good excuse. Or door # 2 there just targeting them for some personal reason .  +1 for you Adam!

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I'm interested in hearing more details on this. There is nothing illegal about selling dinar, and I've never seen anyone from Sterling pumping or promising any kind of ROI on the dinar - they were simply supplying something that there was a demand for. Who cares if they lived "extravagant lifestyles" due to their success as a currency dealer? That's not illegal either. And if the currency they were selling was legitimate currency... still completely legal.

 

What's the "ponzi" aspect here? If they are giving physical dinar to their customers, there is no ponzi. It's a simple transaction, where the customer receives exactly what they paid for.

 

This just doesn't make sense as a "scam". Maybe there's some tax evasion or something else going on.

 

Verrryy interesting...

I agree, there is nothing wrong with buying or selling dinar. That is not the issue. The issue is money laundering. ie. What they did with their profits is the issue. 

Why the Shaws would use the word "ponzi" and" illegal activity" in their emails is nothing we know about. It could be about another business? they were putting their "legal dinar selling business" into. Much more to this story. Nothing to do with dinar.

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I'm interested in hearing more details on this. There is nothing illegal about selling dinar, and I've never seen anyone from Sterling pumping or promising any kind of ROI on the dinar - they were simply supplying something that there was a demand for. Who cares if they lived "extravagant lifestyles" due to their success as a currency dealer? That's not illegal either. And if the currency they were selling was legitimate currency... still completely legal.

 

What's the "ponzi" aspect here? If they are giving physical dinar to their customers, there is no ponzi. It's a simple transaction, where the customer receives exactly what they paid for.

 

This just doesn't make sense as a "scam". Maybe there's some tax evasion or something else going on.

 

Verrryy interesting...

You echo my initial thoughts exactly! NO Ponzi aspect we are aware of. They seem to simply be a successful currency dealer. Once US banks stopped selling it Sterling took advantage of the need in the marketplace.

 

Living large draws attention and jealousy. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find no wrongdoing at all (though it may take years, millions of $, and ruin several lives and businesses).

 

There are certainly better business models to operate under, and there is your proof that you need protection not only from clients and competitors, but also from the government.

 

Adam, Thank you, thank you, thank you again for the information contained in VIP, and more importantly OSI. I strongly believe that if Sterling had been operating as an IBC they would have been EXEMPT from this type of seizure, an they, their families, automobiles, houses, planes, boats, bank accounts would all be totally accessible to them now! (Unless of course they were practicing tax evasion, and while I am not aware of that taking place it is at their own peril for not having adequate advisers. Have them call Al Sharpton, he seems to avoid the law pretty well)   :twocents:

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I do see what you mean Freedom.

The biggest problem for Sterling is the money laundering issue, here is the definition, via FBI investigations.

Money laundering is defined as the process of concealing or disguising the proceeds of a crime or converting those proceeds into goods and services. It allows criminals to infuse money obtained illegally into the stream of commerce, thus corrupting financial institutions and the money supply. While many definitions for money laundering exist, it can be defined very simply as any knowing use of the proceeds of criminal activity.

Money laundering is usually associated with crimes that provide a financial gain. This includes, but is not limited to, bank fraud, insurance fraud, mortgage fraud, health care fraud, securities/commodities frauds, advanced fee schemes, high yield and prime bank note schemes, Ponzi schemes, government fraud, corporate and occupational frauds, cyber crimes, public corruption, drugs, organized crime, and the financing of terrorism. Money laundering differs from other types of criminal acts in that it is not a stand-alone crime. The laundering of funds is typically a secondary criminal act – typically without proceeds from an underlying crime, there can be no money laundering.

Now if counterfeiting was involved, which is not in the complaint, but for those whom are concerned, we would be seeing the CIA involved.  The CIA also investigates money laundering as well, as I understand.

It seems to me this investigation is only about Sterling and its subsidiaries, no other dinar sellers are being investigated, nor seem to be running for the hills.  Why aren't they?  Its the same dinar, its the same deal, why is Sterling in hot water>?
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I think that we have all scammed ourselves in believing we had so much upside in a longshot RV.

 

I am just glad that I only 'gambled' in buying Dinar with an amount of money that I can afford to lose.

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The FBI wants to hear from investors in Sterling Currency Group. They’ve set up a tip line for "potential victims" at 877-236-8947 and a website here.
Noooooo waaaaaay :shakehead: ......I'm just saying, too much indicating to me how to be put on the government's radar should or if this RV hits.....again, just saying....

 

 


The red and blue highlighted notes are just simply my thoughts/opinions after re-reading and trying to see in between the lines here.  Other online dealers, certain banks, etc., has not been slapped by the FED's regarding the Dinar.  

 

Does anyone see what I'm trying to get at here? Am I expressing too much for naught?

 

Just saying..... :cheesehead:

"Disclaimer"......The following is a opinion and in no way to be construed in predicting the future!!!! 

 

Present Day

Billy Bob(BB).....Hey Thelma we should call this here number and let them know we bought our Dinar from Sterling. We might get some compensation from the millions they got selling dinar.

 

Thelma.....BB your so sexy when you talk smarty like that. After you give them our information, let's go break in that hammock in the back yard doing the WILD Thing.

 

3 Months later 

Thelma.....BB when this money comes in from the Dinar we will be RICH!! By the way BB, I'm so Happy to let you know we are going to have a BB Jr to share those 50 Dinar notes with in 6 months.

 

Billy Bob.....WOW that's Great Thelma, let's buy some more 50 Dinar notes to celebrate, they are so cheap on the Internet right now.

           (BB thinks to himself....Dag Gum it! Jethro told me to never do the wild thing outside, that's when women get pregos)

 

Thelma....Can we get some with that Saddam guy on them too? They are cheap to buy and we will look sophisticated when we take them to the bank with the 100,000 worth of 50 Dinar notes we have.

 

Billy Bob.....Thelma I knew there was a reason I picked you out of all the cousins I have. Good Idea

 

1 Month later 

Billy Bob....WERE RICH!!!!! I got the text Thelma....Dinar is at $1.78 so each of our 50 notes is worth $89.00. They said it could float up to $10.00 by the end of the month, so we will wait till then to cash in. Wooo Hoo.

 

Thelma.....Ohh BB I am so excited...We will be the richest people in both our families and we can move out of the trailer park once and for all.

 

25 Days Later 

Billy Bob...Ok Thelma we will go to the bank friday and cash in our dinar. Friday is the only day we can get the contract rate of $10.00 per dinar.

 

Thelma....Finally BB, I know you are tired of me asking " Are We There Yet". You are a Great Husband and so patient with me.

 

KNOCK KNOCK KNOCK on the front door

 

Billy Bob....(Opens door) Hi...can I help you fellas

 

Men in Black....Mr. Hill did you submit this form to the FBI about the Sterling matter a few months ago?

 

Billy Bob.....Yes, that is my signature..I always sign legal papers with my last name before my first name (Hill, Billy Bob)

 

Men in Black....Great...we are here to inform you that we found the records proving that you bought $100,000 from Sterling. Lucky thing you let us know, otherwise we would have never knew you bought any.

                           Anyway you are acknowledged for compensation when the matter is settled in court. That could take anywhere from 4 to 8 years. The Good thing is that you get to keep your dinar now to can cash out . Here is                                      your TAX bill for the profit you make based on the current rate of $1.78. We will contact you if we need you for any court appearances and compensate you for the inconveniences that occur then. Congratulations

                           on doing the right thing as a True American.

 

Thelma.....(After Men in Black leave) Wow..they were so nice. I was scared at first, but now I have a better appreciation for people that work for our Government. How much is the Tax we owe?

 

Billy Bob....(Opens Envelope) If we cash in at $1.78 we will get $178,000 and our Tax liability is $80,100. WOW good thing we waited to cash out with the contract rate Friday. We will pay this off easy and have the rest of the                                  money to do what ever we want.  

 

8 Years Later 

BB Jr....Mommy, Why are you crying?

 

Thelma....Well Jr, they just found the Sterling company is innocent of wrongdoing and there will be no compensation for people that bought legal dinar from them years ago. With your daddy in prison for the next 3 years for Tax                        evasion I was hoping to use that money to move out of your grandma's back shed.

 

BB Jr....Why didn't daddy pay his Taxes? I thought you were saving the money Jethro gives you for the Wild Thing so we can move. What is the Wild Thing anyway?

 

Thelma....Well Jr, we owed $80,100 for the dinar we bought. Then they added an exotic/windfall Tax of 25% so that added $44,500 for a total of $124,600 dollars. When your daddy went to the bank to cash out, he found out that                     their was no contract rate of $10.00 per Dinar at all. He then was going to settle for the $1.78 so we can get $267,000 dollars. The government knew about the $100,000 in Dinar, but not about the $50,000 we bought                         the day we found out we were going to have you. Anyway the 50 Dinar notes were canceled in March 2014 and the Saddam notes were canceled in 2008 I think. So long story short we had worthless Dinar notes.

 

BB Jr....Why did't daddy just tell the government that he did not get any money from those Iraqi Dinars?

 

Thelma.... He tried to, but they had confirmation that he purchased $100,000 in Dinar but no record of them being only 50 Dinar Notes and your daddy could not prove it to them. If only he had a receipt saying he sold them at                            what he originally paid for them, then he would have been in the clear. Anyway daddy owed over $200,000 after fees and penalties and could not pay them anything so they convicted him of Tax evasion.

 

BB Jr.....What about the Wild Thing mommy?

 

Thelma....When you get older I will explain the Wild Thing and why it should be done indoors to avoid surprises. Otherwise try not to be dumb like your father and listen to Jethro about money matters. He only had to pay 15% in                      Taxes because he was smart enough to be a director of some off shore corporation.

 

BB Jr.....Ok mommy...I will. Oh by the way, I buried the Zim and Dong in the back yard like you said and I put them in a paper envelope to protect them better.

 

Thelma.....Good thinking son, you are a smart boy already.

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I've been debating about whether or not to make this post,but decided what the heck here goes.remember when you could buy dinar and not even have to say your name? But a couple years ago the federal government decided to make all the dinar dealers require proof of ID and proof of

residency.I remember when sterling group started asking for this information. What if in the process of making so much money they just casually forgot to pass that information along to the appropriate authorities?and clearly we understand that Uncle Sam would want to know who was buying dinar. its just a thought I had.

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Maybe LGD.  One thing is for sure now, people will fill out and submit the online paper, people will sell their dinar on other sites or other places.  What a great way for Iraq to bring the dinar in, don't you think? 

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LGD, I think you are on to something.  Remember that time in 2011 all that discussion about short term and long term taxation and the frank dodd act expiring blah blah?

 

Of course it was going to RV that weekend and i wanted to see what my taxes would be 15% or 40% so  I called Sterling to see what my date of purchase was and they told me they didn't keep the records that far back. (If i remember correctly, i think it was 6 months)

 

Now i see why, when you look at their gross sales in 2011, it would take time to research it. 

 

Here is a list of what was in the document and the definition of the charges:

 

copied from the gov document

2. Based on the evidence described below, the Defendant Properties are subject

to forfeiture to the United States pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)© as proceeds of specified unlawful activity traceable directly and indirectly to violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1343, 1349, 1956, and 1957.

3. Additionally, the Defendant Properties are subject to forfeiture to the United States pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(A) as property involved in money laundering offenses in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1956 and 1957. 

 

1341 Frauds and swindles

1343 Fraud by wire, radio or television

1349 Attempt and conspiracy

1956 Laundering of monetary instrument

1957 Engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity

 
 
1956 looks bad to me. The govt. has to have some throw away charges and then try and stick one. 
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I agree Adam there is a set up of some kind going on probably to dig up what they are really looking for like tax evasion & saw dinar scam as a good excuse. Or door # 2 there just targeting them for some personal reason .  +1 for you Adam!

 

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Here's The Complete Tlar Chat From Today On Sterling !

 

Fyi - Recraps Tried Censoring Out TerryK's Name With X's In Two Places ! :blink:

 

 

 

 

Rissas Dad:  Now, I suppose the dinar could rise in value over time as I do believe still, and these comments about the "scam" is toward an overnight RV where we all get rich.

 This obviously is an outright lie created to get us to buy dinar and keep buying it believing we will miss out if we dont.  I'm not giving up as its money spent already, but there is no way to spin this and imply there will be an RV.  These comments were made inside sterling between employees and owners.

 Its also part of a federal indictment, its not smoke or PTB weaving a tale to keep us in the dark or blinded to a "soon" RV.  I'm still hopefull that one day we can make some money off of this thing, but to me this is a major blow to any substantial wealth being gained from it.
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Oldwazhisname:   Before this gets too far off topic on side issues, let me make the point that what the FBI is saying isn't an "opinion".  There is no room for that when charges are made. 

 Of course they have to prove their charges, but in the overall weight of this matter, this is the proverbial "smoking gun" in their case.  There may be more that comes out; usually is. 

 But the fact that they are asking for people who have bought dinar to fill out a reporting form that will surely will become the basis for further investigation is very ominous. 

 And if they conclude that too many people have been dupped by "paid" gurus (from whatever source and however paid), the "fugits will hit the windmill" in this community. 

As of today, no one should be decieved any longer unless they choose to be.  All guru intel is highly suspect and should not be blindly believed. 

 There are a lot of people who are in this because they have believed what the gurus have said and are desperate enough to cling to that hope.  Its really sad for them. 

 When I think of the number of obviously little old ladies that called into some of these conference calls...(shakes his head in disgust).  Whatever happens to the criminally minded who were involved, their punishment can't be severe enough.



Tlar:   This is not about what they were selling but more about their using the likes of  XXXXX to promote their product by telling what he knew to be outright lies about this investment. 

XXXXXX was a undisclosed representative on the payroll and appeared to many on his site to be arms length and unbiased while being paid by sterling to hawk and pump Sterlings product to his followers. 

The government wants this operation closed as well it should be.  This is a serious charge and will most likely be seen by the courts as a scam operation and will probably end up in seizure of the assets from this operation as the FBI wants.   Whoever mentioned "insider trading" is as close as you can get.

 The scam they are talking about is not the physical dinar itself but the  system Sterling used to increase its sales.  Any mention of scam by the owner of Sterling is just an opinion by them.  Part of getting a currency sales license from the Treasury requires that a seller of currencies does just that. 

He can legally advertise and promote his business but he cannot secretly have goons on the payroll telling what that goon knows to be phony rumors or lies to unwitting investors. 

That is wrong and that should be dealt with.  Sterling new what they were doing was not just a bad business practice but it was illegal as it broke a fiduciary law and violated their currency license. 


Personally as far as I am concerned I pay more attention to Iraq than this crooked operation or their principals opinions.  It is Iraq's currency that we own.  Iraq is a sovereign country and not part of the US. 

 Ultimately Iraq will decide its own fate as to the value of their currency.  Unless everything has changed, they have told us in the past that they want to add value and purchase power to their currency.  
They have a delete the zero program if they ever will want to institute it.  We as individuals have to decide for ourselves whether we think the currency will go up or down.  

We are no different than any other currency speculator.  Nothing you or I have done is illegal and the dinar is not a scam, but rather some including Sterling, have chosen it to use in a scam for personal gain.  

Any product can be used as the center focal point of a scam including gold and silver.  To me nothing has changed.  We wait patiently for Iraq to fix itself and help its citizens in the hopes that we too may complete the dream that George Bush had for Iraq when he allowed us to individually invest in this currency.  

When the then seated President of the United States allowed us to buy a US Treasury OFAC listed currency from a country under Chapter VII sanctions , directly from the big banks here in the US. 

 I bought alot from Chase and Bank of America.   If it is a scam or if it ever proves to be a scam, the person who ought to be sued should be our Federal Government.  The dinar itself is not a scam, albeit some bought their dinar by being scammed by guys like the owners of Sterling.   opinion only, tlar  

Fred:  For what it's worth. I bought my first dinar just before I went to Iraq. (Jan '05) I paid around 1450 to 1 for most of it. It is now around 1170 to 1 depending on who you Talk to. I have always believed the dinar would be worth much more someday.

I never spent more on it than I could afford to lose, as should anyone. In the beginning I told myself that I wasn't going to even think about it for 10 years. Then Mrs Fred started looking at CC and I got caught up in it too. It has been 10 years and I have not changed my mind.

 Iraq has made great strides toward becoming a safe and prosperous society. Are they there yet? Heck no. They are now the number 2 supplier of crude in the oil rich Middle East. That says something.

Am I telling you to buy more dinar? Heck no. But if you had a couple thousand to gamble on an "investment" there are many riskier ways to do it than dinar. (I won't be purchasing any more)

If I sold mine today I would make a profit. What about tomorrow? Who knows. But I am in it for the long haul. There is one thing that does concern me, and that is if they change the currency again.

I have always wondered how much trouble it would be to change out my "old" for new. I don't think it will be a problem, but I might have to fly to suly to exchange it...
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 When this first happened i posted that I suspect tax evasion.....i also somewhere mentioned i think it has to do with money on reserve. 

 

Time will tell....my bet is tax evasion to win....non disclosure to place and not having enough dinar for all the reserves they were selling to show.

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Maybe LGD.  One thing is for sure now, people will fill out and submit the online paper, people will sell their dinar on other sites or other places.  What a great way for Iraq to bring the dinar in, don't you think?

  

Exactly. And the way most folks are down on dinar lately you can

bet good money a lot of people will be selling as this unfolds.

LGD, I think you are on to something.  Remember that time in 2011 all that discussion about short term and long term taxation and the frank dodd act expiring blah blah?

 

Of course it was going to RV that weekend and i wanted to see what my taxes would be 15% or 40% so  I called Sterling to see what my date of purchase was and they told me they didn't keep the records that far back. (If i remember correctly, i think it was 6 months)

 

Now i see why, when you look at their gross sales in 2011, it would take time to research it. 

 

Here is a list of what was in the document and the definition of the charges:

 

copied from the gov document[/size]

2. Based on the evidence described below, the Defendant Properties are subject[/size]

to forfeiture to the United States pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)© as proceeds of specified unlawful activity traceable directly and indirectly to violations of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341, 1343, 1349, 1956, and 1957.[/size]

3. Additionally, the Defendant Properties are subject to forfeiture to the United States pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(A) as property involved in money laundering offenses in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1956 and 1957. [/size]

 

1341 Frauds and swindles[/size]

1343 Fraud by wire, radio or television[/size]

1349 Attempt and conspiracy[/size]

1956 Laundering of monetary instrument[/size]

1957 Engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity[/size]

 

 

1956 looks bad to me. The govt. has to have some throw away charges and then try and stick one.

 

So true. This whole thing smacks of a false flag operation. Possibly

founded in poor record keeping.

 

When this first happened i posted that I suspect tax evasion.....i also somewhere mentioned i think it has to do with money on reserve. 

 

Time will tell....my bet is tax evasion to win....non disclosure to place and not having enough dinar for all the reserves they were selling to show.

But they do that everyday with gold and silver.

Not that it's legal.

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