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Plus for bringing this.

 

It really started with Bush SR though, and every single POTUS since then has added to the chain of EO's that have brought us to this point.

 

Even so, there are so many guns in the hands of Americans that I believe the final take over will be postponed until they can make sure most of the ammo is expired and not replaceable.

 

With over 10 million people owning at least one weapon, we are still the biggest army on the planet.

 

Unfortunately, also the most fractured one as well...

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Great post George. Things are changing for sure but not for the good of the people. It is beyond my comprehension why the POTUS has not been impeached for what he has done to the people and country he was elected to watch over and make us proud of what he did for his country. Instead he has to;d the world we are a non Christain country and he has stooped so low as to bow down to the King of Saudi Arabia, Stood with his hands over his scrotch when the Pledge of Allegiance was being said and has not saluted the Marines who stand by the Presidencial helicopter and Air Force One at times. How disrespectful can that be to us veterans who have fought for the rights of this country and for other country's rights? Not only the veterans but to the people of the United States of America. And now all he does if he does not get his way is to Veto everything  or write an Executive Order. God help us and God help America.


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Instead he has to;d the world we are a non Christain country and he has stooped so low as to bow down to the King of Saudi Arabia, Stood with his hands over his scrotch when the Pledge of Allegiance was being said and has not saluted the Marines who stand by the Presidencial helicopter and Air Force One at times. How disrespectful can that be to us veterans who have fought for the rights of this country and for other country's rights? Not only the veterans but to the people of the United States of America. And now all he does if he does not get his way is to Veto everything  or write an Executive Order. God help us and God help America.

LOL!!!  where do you all get this stuff from???!!  Tooooooo funny.   :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:

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It a sad world the Mr Obama is trying to build as he turns our country into ashes. I just hope the next President, be they Democrat, Republican, or Independent, can and will rebuild us back to our former glory at least.

Thanks for bringing this to our site.

Continuously pray for the cover and protection of everyone in our military.

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will the dude in this video please SHUT UP with all of his rhetoric and idealism?!  i don't care how many violins he play in the background.  quit pandering ideals to the "i hate obama group" and get down to brass tacks of truth!  INTEGRITY, HONOR, CODE in the military?!  Really?!!!  unbelievable....where else in America do we read THESE types of statistics:

 

Women in the US military are being raped and sexually assaulted by their colleagues in record numbers. An estimated 26,000 rapes and sexual assaults took place in the military in 2012, the last year that statistic is available; only 1 in 7 victims reported their attacks, and just 1 in 10 of those cases went to trial.  read more

 

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there are reasons why the united states military needs some overhauling and can no longer be left to itself because it is eating its own children. I watched this documentary on netflix a few years ago and sat on my sofa weeping!  women being raped by commanding officers throughout the night while fellow soldiers rollover in their bunks and muffle their ears.  and people have nerve to listen to this man and actual give a +1 because they are incredulous to reality.

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will the dude in this video please SHUT UP with all of his rhetoric and idealism?!  i don't care how many violins he play in the background.  quit pandering ideals to the "i hate obama group" and get down to brass tacks of truth!  INTEGRITY, HONOR, CODE in the military?!  Really?!!!  unbelievable....where else in America do we read THESE types of statistics:

 

Women in the US military are being raped and sexually assaulted by their colleagues in record numbers. An estimated 26,000 rapes and sexual assaults took place in the military in 2012, the last year that statistic is available; only 1 in 7 victims reported their attacks, and just 1 in 10 of those cases went to trial.  read more

 

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there are reasons why the united states military needs some overhauling and can no longer be left to itself because it is eating its own children. I watched this documentary on netflix a few years ago and sat on my sofa weeping!  women being raped by commanding officers throughout the night while fellow soldiers rollover in their bunks and muffle their ears.  and people have nerve to listen to this man and actual give a +1 because they are incredulous to reality.

 

Obama is the CIC who else are we to blame?  Leadership starts from the top and if he doesn't care about the military how do you think the morale and discipline is going to be in the military?  Believe it or not, I was sexually harassed in the military too, and I'm a guy! 

 

I would be interested in seeing a comparison of Rapes on College Campuses to Rapes in the Military.  I would hazard to guess they're about the same.

 

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Obama is the CIC who else are we to blame?  Leadership starts from the top and if he doesn't care about the military how do you think the morale and discipline is going to be in the military?  Believe it or not, I was sexually harassed in the military too, and I'm a guy! 

 

I would be interested in seeing a comparison of Rapes on College Campuses to Rapes in the Military.  I would hazard to guess they're about the same.

 

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but Markinsa this stuff has been happening way before Obama took office.  a small percentage of the violated women have only recently gotten up enough courage to come forward even though they are assured it will not end well for them.  we can't lay THIS one on Obama.  

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but Markinsa this stuff has been happening way before Obama took office.  a small percentage of the violated women have only recently gotten up enough courage to come forward even though they are assured it will not end well for them.  we can't lay THIS one on Obama.  

 

I agree this problem needs to be addressed, but do you think getting rid of all of the experienced leaders and replacing them with inexperienced yes men is the answer?  That is what this topic is about.

 

 

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Trinity - the documentary you refer to is the the 'Invisible War' and is worthy of a topic of it's own and the subsequent conversation however, I am perplexed; I don't think you intentionally tried to hijack this thread with misdirection but that is how it comes across to me.

 

I agree with you that there is always room for accountability and education in any organization, even the military but that is not what this thread is about.

 

I'm sure if you start a new thread regarding rape in the military you will find many veterans here eager to chew on the fat.

 

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Sorry TX it was the National anthem he did this to. Here it is in case you doubt what I said.

 

https://youtu.be/mCngeFqFoks

no i don't doubt what you wrote vietnam1969, i am perturbed by the level that many of you go to feed your hate.  it is not enough to note that obama didn't hold his hand over his heart but then you must turn it into some perverted interpretation by highlighting his hand being over his crotch as if this is done as some obscene gesture.  many of you allow yourselves to be fed a gospel by the likes of men like sean hannity for your truth.  but by now you all must realize that they are in the business of selling entertainment not truth.  instead, why not seek God for truth, why not spend time in his word, why not spend time praying and believing God to keep your country, why not trust God??  but instead you choose hannity over God because hannity feeds the fear and hate that abides within you.  love is the alternative and i invite you to try it.  perfect love has no fear.....there is no fear in love because perfect love casts out fear.  

 

as i leave this thread i present you with an eye opening picture that i am sure many of you will brush off with a handsome pardon.....your hate and fear will not allow you to realize the truth of your divisible stance

 

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Trinity - the documentary you refer to is the the 'Invisible War' and is worthy of a topic of it's own and the subsequent conversation however, I am perplexed; I don't think you intentionally tried to hijack this thread with misdirection but that is how it comes across to me.

 

I agree with you that there is always room for accountability and education in any organization, even the military but that is not what this thread is about.

 

I'm sure if you start a new thread regarding rape in the military you will find many veterans here eager to chew on the fat.

 

GH

my friend correct me where i am wrong.  you posted a video titled "i will not obey that order".  the narrator went into these bullet point items:

  • the military does not support capital exploitation
  • the military does not support colonial racism/sexism
  • the military does not require fundamental change
  • a change to the code by newer values is seen as toxic
  • commanders should not spend their time addressing immorality among its ranks (removing pornographic materials etc..)
  • amending policies and codes is disruptive and dishonorable leaving a military that no one can abide by
  • the current guard of the military system subscribe to a code based in integrity and honor and as long as they were running it, we had NOTHING to fear

these are the things that the narrator/author purported.  

you are telling me that my comments did not apply and is thread hijacking.

 

tens of thousands of American Women raped.....RaPed......RAPED under this code of integrity and honor without recourse!  and you tell me that is for another conversation.....you don't see how it applies to this thread.  WOW....i am at a loss for words.  

 

you ever been raped multiple times george? how about gang raped?  and without recourse??  if your wife, daughter, sister were raped by their boss and no judicial system would hear their case, would you believe that the company they worked for operated under business ethics and moral code even though the company's bi-laws read that it did?  of course you wouldn't.  why not.  because it is not what people say, it is what they do that speaks their posture.  

 

i didn't have to stop at the rapings of women in military where the numbers are reportedly close to 1 of every 3 (american journal of industrial medicine).  i could have also addressed the narrators point on colonialism, capital exploitation and on and on while supporting my stance with FACT.  i do my homework before posting anything.  but the raping numbers alone reveal a pandemic of gross deterioration to integrity, honor and justice within the military system.  at 30% we can safely say the military system is diseased and requires overhauling.  the narrator does not believe so.  

 

what do you say?

 

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Thirty seven percent of the attempted raped and raped women in the VA study also reported being raped more than once and 14% of them reported being gang raped. This study also discovered that 75% of raped women in the military failed to report it.

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Trinity - What I say is... it appears your emotions are leading your analysis which inturn produce an incorrect conclusion regarding the videos premise.  The main topic of video is about 'Warrior Ethos' and how the historical environment that warriors thrive in is purposefully being changed by Liberal minded persons with an agenda that is contrary to maintaining a vicious military.  To be clear, what I mean by vicious military is one that is embodied with Warriors  who will kill my nations enemies with prejudice and surgical efficiency.  Those type of warriors do not rape women, men, children, goats or donkeys but many of my nation's enemies do.  Perhaps your emotions and outrage would best be directed to those nations who turn a blind eye to rape.

 

The modern military is addressing the issue of sexual assault, perhaps not as fast or as thorough as you would like it, but it is being addressed.  My suggestion would be for you to read the AR's and Command Regs on present day directives and restrictions regarding male/female relationships and fraternization.  If you have been in the military you will know how and where to find them.  If you have not been in the military then I suggest you seek out somebody presently serving in the military and ask for a tour of non-restricted areas of your local military base to assist you with a fuller understanding of male/female relationships within a command rank & file structure.  I've included below for you the bottom line standing order for the CQ's responsibility (US Army) regarding male/female conduct in the barracks.

 

EAID-FBA-HC

December 29, 2013

MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD

SUBJECT: Charge of Quarters and Runner Instructions

 

8.     Opposite genders may visit each other in the barracks between the hours of 0600 and 2300 but the door must remain open at least 12 inches at all times. Violators will be given only oneopportunity to correct the infraction. A second offence will result in the expulsion of the guest and notification of the offence to the First Sergeant. Sexual acts of any kind are not allowed in the barracks. First Sergeant will be notified of any violation of this policy.

9.     At NO time will there be members of the opposite sex lingering outside the doors of barracks residents. Failure to follow this instruction will be seen as harassment of the room occupants. Residents will not linger in any hallway of the barracks.

10.     All occupants of the barracks may utilize the laundry room. Cleanliness of the facilities is everyones responsibility. Residents must clean up after themselves. Residents are not authorized to use the laundry room between the hours of 0200-0500 while curfew is in effect. All laundry must be removed prior to 0200 hrs. Failure to comply will result in the confiscation of the items and annotation in the CQ log.

11.     There will be no sexually explicit material displayed in any area where it can be viewed by others. Soldiers are authorized to own legal pornography but it may not be out where others can see it.

12.     CQ will annotate any known or suspected acts of sexual assault or harassment and notify the proper authorities. CQ has the authority to detain the perpetrator using the least amount of force necessary without placing themselves in lethal danger.

 

I may be missing something here but, I think the Army's bottom line approach is pretty cut and dried with regard to protecting individuals from sexual assault.  You, however,  may have something to add that will increase that protection.  Share it... don't hide it under a bushel basket, because if you truly believe tens of thousands of women in the military have been raped without recourse then you have a moral obligation to interject your unbiased solution into the conversation.  Speaking of bias, I missed your passion regarding the number of men who have been raped...without recourse...  

 

"you ever been raped multiple times george? how about gang raped?  and without recourse??" 

 

Well friend, your misguided passion has led you to the arrogant presumption that I know nothing about rape.  But I do, I know quite a bit about it for at one point in my Law Enforcement career I was the Senior Deputy Detective in Crimes Against Persons Unit that investigated primarily rapes; all kinds of rapes on all types of people of all ages and not just with a penis either; bats, pipes, broom handles, screw drivers... just about anything...  I've held those victims in my arms, I've rode with them to the hospital and held their hands while the doctor performed the Rape Kit protocol.  So ya, I know a little bit about rape trauma... all the way across the spectrum from victim to victims families and witnesses who chose to do nothing about it. 

 

​So lets just agree you don't know me or my background because if you persist to focus on Rape instead of Warrior Ethos in the military then you'll force me to start a new thread on Military disfunction regarding 'Suicide'.  

 

Why suicide?

 

Because I noticed in your passion regarding the lack of honor and integrity in the military that you mentioned nothing about military rape victims suicides or military/veteran suicides.

 

It would seem you would address the twenty veteran suicides a day and how many could be cross referenced to a rape without recourse.

 

Bu then again, this thread was never about rape or suicide, it was about 'Warrior Ethos' remember?

 

What is more important to you, Trinity, Rape or Suicide?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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thanks for your response George.  i thought i made myself abundantly clear but evidently not clear enough.  regardless of what you say the message of the video is "suppose" to be about, i watched it and interpreted for myself what the narrator was saying.  i don't need anyone to interpret it for me....i watched it 2x for myself.  his message emphatically stated that Integrity and Honor was leaving the military because of new administrative policies.  

 

keeping it simple.....and please read my words very carefully

 

if    your   system   of    integrity   and     honor    is     based    in    a    pandemic    of    rape   at    a    level    of    near    30%    of    the    enlisted    women,  your   claim    of    HONOR     and     INTEGRITY     is     baseless

 

of course this is how i see honor and integrity.  your system of honor and integrity evidently is composed of different moral standards.  i am not hear to debate the narrator nor do i need anyone to defend him.  he will go on believing what he wants to believe.  and i don't need anyone to convince that mass rape is okay as long as a document somewhere reads a policy against it.  the tears and testimonies of hurting people who were left without judicial recourse and ostracized for coming forward is all that i need to read.  

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Here are a couple of interesting articles, they're dated but relevant:
 
 
THE BREAKER MORANT OF THE SEXUALIZED U.S. MILITARY 
 

With Women, Obama Turning U.S. Navy Into “Village People’s” Navy
 

Navy Has the Talk...About Sex...And Respect
 
 


 

SEXUAL ASSAULT

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Sexual assault in the military is officially known as military sexual trauma, which is defined by VA as "psychological trauma, which in the judgment of a VA mental health professional, resulted from a physical assault of a sexual nature, battery of a sexual nature, or sexual harassment which occurred while the Veteran was serving on active duty or active duty for training."

 

According to VA, military sexual trauma includes "any sexual activity where you are involved against your will." This includes, but is not limited to, being threatened, being incapable of making lucid choices such as when drunk, being promised promotions or special treatment, and direct physical coercion. Military sexual trauma is not limited by sexuality and affects both men and women.

 

The prominence of military sexual trauma has usually been brought to light through high-profile incidents such as the Tailhook scandal of 1991, the Aberdeen scandal in 1996, and the U.S. Air Force Academy sexual assault scandal of 2003. In each of those incidents, sexual assaults were reported in large numbers and were coupled with allegations of cover-ups within the military.

 

In 2012, a documentary film titled "The Invisible War" investigated the prevalence and nature of sexual assault within the military. The documentary follows multiple veterans as they relate their personal experience with sexual assault as well as their struggle to take legal action. On April 14, 2012 then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta watched the film, and two days later, he codified a directive which ordered all sexual assault cases to be handled by officers at the rank of colonel or higher, which ended the ability of unit commanders to handle cases themselves.

 

As of 2014, there is a law being considered that will strip Military officers of any power to review, consider, or prosecute cases regarding sexual assault and rape.

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