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CNN. Broadcasting This Morning's Scathing Wall Street Journal Op-Ed Ahead Of Obama's Speech On Iraq Tonight !

 

 

 

 

http://online.wsj.com/

REVIEW & OUTLOOK Dlck Cheney Is Still Right Obama's return to Iraq reveals how wrong he has been about the world.

 

Sept. 9, 2014 7:24 p.m. ET

President Obama will lay out his plan to counter the Islamic State on Wednesday night, and we'll judge the strategy on its merits. But the mere fact that Mr. Obama feels obliged to send Americans to fight again in Iraq acknowledges the failure of his foreign policy. He is tacitly admitting that the liberal critique of the Bush Administration's approach to Islamic terrorism was wrong.

Recall that Mr. Obama won the Presidency by arguing that the U.S. had alienated the world and Muslims by recklessly using force abroad. We had betrayed our values by interrogating terrorists too harshly and wiretapping too much. Our enemies hated us not because they hated our values or our influence but because we had provoked them with our interventions.

If we withdrew from the Middle East, especially from Iraq; if we avoided new entanglements, such as in Syria; and if we engaged with our adversaries, such as Iran and Russia, the anti-American furies would subside and the world would be safer. We should nation-build at home, not overseas, and slash the defense budget accordingly.

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Mr. Obama pursued this vision starting with his Inaugural Address and throughout his first term. He tried to "reset" relations with Russia by dismantling a missile-defense deal with Poland and the Czech Republic. He muted support for the democratic uprising in Iran in 2009 lest it upset the mullahs he needed for a nuclear weapons deal.

Associated Press

When the Syrian revolt erupted in 2011, Mr. Obama called for Bashar Assad to go but did nothing to aid the moderate opposition. In the process he overruled Secretary of State Hillarious Clinton, CIA director David Petraeus, and his ambassador to Damascus Robert Ford.

The U.S. absence left Syria's battleground to the Russians and Iranians, who helped Assad hang on, and to the Qataris, who have funded Islamic State and the al Qaeda affiliated al-Nusrah. But Mr. Obama was unrepentant, saying as recently as August that it had "always been a fantasy" to think that arming the moderate Syrians would make a difference.

Above all Mr. Obama sought to end the U.S. presence in Iraq. He made a token effort to strike a status of forces agreement past 2011, offering so few troops that the Iraqis thought it wasn't worth the domestic political trouble. Mr. Obama then sold his total withdrawal as a political success, claiming Iraq was "stable" and "self-reliant" and making a centerpiece of his 2012 campaign that "the tide of war is receding." He ridiculed Mitt Romney for warning about Mr. Putin's designs.

Mr. Obama doubled down on his peace-through-withdrawal strategy in the second term, speeding up the U.S. departure from Afghanistan. On May 23, 2013, he summed up his vision and strategy in a sort of victory speech at National Defense University:

"Today, Osama bin Laden is dead, and so are most of his top lieutenants. There have been no large-scale attacks on the United States, and our homeland is more secure. Fewer of our troops are in harm's way, and over the next 19 months they will continue to come home. Our alliances are strong, and so is our standing in the world. In sum, we are safer because of our efforts."

Then in January his friends at the New Yorker quoted him as comparing Islamic State to the "jayvee team," and this summer he said Mr. Putin is doomed to fail because countries don't invade others in "the 21st century."

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So where are we less than a year later? Iran's mullahs continue to resist Mr. Obama's nuclear entreaties, while Mr. Putin carves up Ukraine and threatens NATO. China is breaking the rule of law in Hong Kong, pressing its air-identification zone in the Pacific, and buzzing U.S. aircraft.

Syria is now a terrorist sanctuary from which the Islamic State has conquered a third of Iraq, the first time since 9/11 that jihadists control territory from which they can plan attacks. Al Qaeda's affiliates have expanded across the Middle East and Africa, attacking a mall in Kenya and kidnapping schoolgirls in Nigeria.

Mr. Obama can blame this rising tide of disorder on George W. Bush, but the polls show the American public doesn't believe it. They know from experience that it takes time for bad policy to reveal itself in new global turmoil. They saw how the early mistakes in Iraq led to chaos until the 2007 surge saved the day and left Mr. Obama with an opportunity he squandered. And they can see now that Mr. Obama's strategy has produced terrorist victories and more danger for America.

Mr. Obama's intellectual and media defenders were complicit in all of this, cheering on his flight from world leadership as prudent management of U.S. decline. Even now some of his most devoted acolytes write that Mr. Obama's "caution" has Islamic State's jihadists right where he wants them. It is hard to admit that your worldview has been exposed as out-of-this-world.

We hope tonight's speech shows a more realistic President determined to defeat Islamic State, but whatever he says will have to overcome the doubts about American resolve that he has spread around the world for nearly six years. One way to start undoing the damage would be to concede that Dlck Cheney was right all along.

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Good op-ed for the most part, but ending it by saying he should say Cheney was right all along was just a cheap political jab and soured the good points of the article. Sure, O's foreign policy is flawed, but doesn't the saying go something like he's only working with the mess that was left to him from prior administrations?

I'm not excusing misinformed and skewed world views and policy, just saying that we kinda dug ourselves into this hole a long time ago by "interfering" in the M.E. and now people expect us to be some sort of policeman and it makes it hard to just go back home and live with our heads under the sand blowing over from thataway - where we left all our problems…

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Thug, nice find.      :bravo:      I think this pretty much sums up the past 6 years in the Middle East. Can't wait till tonight to see what spews from his mouth that isn't a lie.  :twocents:

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Great post DT------ Now we will wait and hear from O as to what HE has come up with to fight off these militants. If any credit is due others HE will take it and run. IMO, Obama is the worst CIC and President the United States has ever had, in my lifetime anyway. Since he had no strategy in force a week or so ago, and after the UN meeting in Wales last week we shall see how much of a backbone he has grown since all the other countries have agreed to help in this fight. 

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its amazing how these LIARS can manipulate public opinion so easily.  first of all the basis for us even being in iraq was through manipulation, deceit and lie.  saddam hussein had NOTHING to do with the trade tower debacle whatsoever but we used it to stage a military campaign to "topple an evil dictator."  and now these warhawks have the nerve to argue that "cheney was right all along"?!  right about what?!  let's go back to the root of how it all happened!  we are not that short sighted.  

 

the reason for operation "Iraqi Freedom" was wrong from the jump and everything after it is based off of the same wrong.  what we did to the iraqis was pure evil and there was never any good intention for the iraqi citizen.  unclassified united states documents prove that we planned to go into iraq well before 2000.  it was all a power play from the jump.  and now they want us to forget that part of the equation and focus only on what is happening now.  NOT!  nobody is that dumb....we are not that brainwashed.  the wizard can't close the curtain and expect us to forget that he was ever there pulling levers and blowing smoke.  

 

you can't establish good on top of evil.  Jesus said it best, "a wise man built his house upon the rocks but the foolish man built his house upon the sand."  the purpose of going into iraq was constructed upon sand.  they want us to focus on the house and not the foundation the house was built upon.  these unrighteous vipers kill me with their poisonous evil propaganda.  thank God we can see through their lies.  Obama is wrestling with a situation that was constructed from evil intent and trying to make something good happen from it.  what a mess to have to try correcting....

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its amazing how these LIARS can manipulate public opinion so easily.  first of all the basis for us even being in iraq was through manipulation, deceit and lie.  saddam hussein had NOTHING to do with the trade tower debacle whatsoever but we used it to stage a military campaign to "topple an evil dictator."  and now these warhawks have the nerve to argue that "cheney was right all along"?!  right about what?!  let's go back to the root of how it all happened!  we are not that short sighted.  

 

the reason for operation "Iraqi Freedom" was wrong from the jump and everything after it is based off of the same wrong.  what we did to the iraqis was pure evil and there was never any good intention for the iraqi citizen.  unclassified united states documents prove that we planned to go into iraq well before 2000.  it was all a power play from the jump.  and now they want us to forget that part of the equation and focus only on what is happening now.  NOT!  nobody is that dumb....we are not that brainwashed.  the wizard can't close the curtain and expect us to forget that he was ever there pulling levers and blowing smoke.  

 

you can't establish good on top of evil.  Jesus said it best, "a wise man built his house upon the rocks but the foolish man built his house upon the sand."  the purpose of going into iraq was constructed upon sand.  they want us to focus on the house and not the foundation the house was built upon.  these unrighteous vipers kill me with their poisonous evil propaganda.  thank God we can see through their lies.  Obama is wrestling with a situation that was constructed from evil intent and trying to make something good happen from it.  what a mess to have to try correcting....

Thank you Trinity!!! And this if you watch will shine lite on your opinion!!! When you take oil company executives with you to invade Iraq.. There might be another objective!!! Just saying!!!~~~

 

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:13 AM

dontlop, on 03 Mar 2013 - 8:45 PM, said:

how could this happen if saddam wasnt involved

As the May 8, 2003 New York Post and other news outlets reported, Baer ruled that Saddam Hussein’s government was complicit in the September 11 attacks and that the Baathist government owed the plaintiffs a judgment of $104 million.

As Baer stated on May 7, 2003:

“I conclude that plaintiffs have shown, albeit barely, ‘by evidence satisfactory to the court’ that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al Qaeda.” 22

U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer, Jr.

This lead to the following headline from the most unimpeachable name in news, CBS: “Court Rules: Al Qaida, Iraq Linked.”

Thus, there is abundant and undeniable evidence that Saddam Hussein provided money, diplomatic services, shelter, medical care, and training to terrorists of every stripe, including those complicit in the 1993 WTC bombing and — according to a Clinton-appointed federal judge — the September 11 attacks. The Iraqi dictator aided al-Qaeda and other global terrorists who murdered Americans, both at home and abroad.

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Ya **** Cheney was lying alright

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/

Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq

Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/

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(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

and enforce un security council resolutions . i guess that could mean its a joint resolution with 1441 and the rest of the un resolutions of iraq

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"OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY WAS FLAWED"????????

Seriously, TQueezy, is that what you call it?

Because I know a whole bunch of people who would call his nonexistent foreign policy

Something that can't be repeated here. And when ISIS is beheading people in America

what are you going to call his foreign policy then, slightly messed up, ?

PRAY FOR REVIVAL EVERYDAY

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US did find Iraq WMD

By Don Kaplan

October 25, 2010 | 4:00am

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

http://nypost.com/2010/10/25/us-did-find-iraq-wmd/

Who wrote this ?

It sure wasn't Cheney or bush

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for

attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including

the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in

Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist

organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and

safety of United States citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001,

underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of

weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist

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Cheney and bush are right the democrats are liars if not complete traitors

The above came from congress to the president

The president nor Cheney wrote joint resolution 114

Some of you never read the resolution to the president from congress

Yep the resolution

You should look up the word resolution before ya read " joint resolution 114"

You will soon know who the liars are if you do

Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

U.S.: Mobile labs found in Iraq

Tuesday, April 15, 2003 Posted: 4:19 AM EDT (0819 GMT)

KARBALA, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. troops have found 11 mobile laboratories buried south of Baghdad that are capable of biological and chemical uses, a U.S. general said Monday.

Troops found the mobile laboratories near a weapons plant outside Karbala, about 50 miles south of Baghdad. Though buried, they appeared to contain about $1 million worth of equipment and were "clearly marked so they could be found again," Freakley said.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell in February told the United Nations Security Council that U.S. intelligence indicated Iraq had production facilities for biological weapons "on wheels and on rails," and on at least 18 flatbed trucks.

He insisted the labs existed and called them "most worrisome."

"The trucks and train cars are easily moved and are designed to evade detection by inspectors," Powell said. "In a matter of months, they can produce a quantity of biological poison equal to the entire amount that Iraq claimed to have produced in the years prior to the Gulf War."

Powell said the evidence included firsthand accounts from four sources -- among them, an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of the facilities and an Iraqi civil engineer "in a position to know the details of the program."

U.N. weapons inspection chief Hans Blix said his inspectors never found evidence of such labs.

On March 7, Blix told the U.N. Security Council, "Several inspections have taken place at declared and undeclared sites in relation to mobile production facilities. Food-testing mobile laboratories and mobile workshops have been seen, as well as large containers with seed-processing equipment. No evidence of proscribed activities have so far been found."(5 weeks later 101st airborne division found them on april 15) << but the libs keep using the earlier testomony of blix saying the un inspector blix said they dint find any

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The liberal will never know the truth

They don't want to know

Hagel: US 'can't dictate' to the world

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=57235

Look at him

He's obamas puppet

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DT thanks for the article. DQueezy NO. Recall that Mr O has repeatedly stated that he was not aware of problems until hearing about it on the news like everyone else. Remember that? Also back in my day, yes you use to be able to blame the previous President for all the problems you the new guy received; in the first 2-3 years max. After that length of time it is all due to the decisions/in decisions of the current President. The only difference I see here is that the media (print, tv & internet) Midol moment at anything said against my current President. The media no longer has, or even tries to maintain the journalist ethics and separation from the story policies.

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Great post DT------ Now we will wait and hear from O as to what HE has come up with to fight off these militants. If any credit is due others HE will take it and run. IMO, Obama is the worst CIC and President the United States has ever had, in my lifetime anyway. Since he had no strategy in force a week or so ago, and after the UN meeting in Wales last week we shall see how much of a backbone he has grown since all the other countries have agreed to help in this fight. 

I sooooooo agree with this! The absolute worst. :excl:  :cigar:

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I will not get into a pi$$ing match with any of you. I was posting a different view and I believe I have that right. However, I believe the original post was **** Cheney got it right.. I disagree.. I also have that right... I could go on in a line by line difference of opinion but it would not matter and It would waist my time....

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its amazing how these LIARS can manipulate public opinion so easily.  first of all the basis for us even being in iraq was through manipulation, deceit and lie.  saddam hussein had NOTHING to do with the trade tower debacle whatsoever but we used it to stage a military campaign to "topple an evil dictator."  and now these warhawks have the nerve to argue that "cheney was right all along"?!  right about what?!  let's go back to the root of how it all happened!  we are not that short sighted.  

 

the reason for operation "Iraqi Freedom" was wrong from the jump and everything after it is based off of the same wrong.  what we did to the iraqis was pure evil and there was never any good intention for the iraqi citizen.  unclassified united states documents prove that we planned to go into iraq well before 2000.  it was all a power play from the jump.  and now they want us to forget that part of the equation and focus only on what is happening now.  NOT!  nobody is that dumb....we are not that brainwashed.  the wizard can't close the curtain and expect us to forget that he was ever there pulling levers and blowing smoke.  

 

you can't establish good on top of evil.  Jesus said it best, "a wise man built his house upon the rocks but the foolish man built his house upon the sand."  the purpose of going into iraq was constructed upon sand.  they want us to focus on the house and not the foundation the house was built upon.  these unrighteous vipers kill me with their poisonous evil propaganda.  thank God we can see through their lies.  Obama is wrestling with a situation that was constructed from evil intent and trying to make something good happen from it.  what a mess to have to try correcting....

Sum up, the all mighty dollar at stake for the US, the Oil, and the 7 nations in 5 years.  All the presidents puppets have never stood for the American people, they will NEVER stand up to the shadow government that has raped the US of it's wealth and dignity.

Sum up, the all mighty dollar at stake for the US, the Oil, and the 7 nations in 5 years.  NWO,  all dictators must go or comply.  All the presidents puppets have never stood for the American people, they will NEVER stand up to the shadow government that has raped the US of it's wealth and dignity.

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Hmmm.... Cheney was right... Obama's a liar.... Bush did cocaine.... Kennedy stole the election.... Let me ask all of you, left or right it doesn't matter.... What flavor koolaid can I get you?

 

This message board is one of the best examples of how well executed the divide and conquer method works. Think about it... come really think about it...

 

They have you so divided on emotional issues that you don't see them stealing. They blind your eyes and steal your dreams. 

 

Enjoy your little debates. You'll be still having them while you stand in bread lines as the soulless ones enjoy the private party down the street.

 

I have to admit, I'm surprised by some of the statements I've read by those who I thought were beyond the simple scam.

 

 

 

B/A

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What about Bush's domestic economic policy!!! Ha ha ha... Talk about blowing the wad. G.W and the boys sure knew how to blow a budget surplus. Ahh but then again, history has proven time and again conservatives don't know jack about fiscal responsibility. But they sure do know how to give corporate welfare away.

 

 

B/A

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      A spokesman for the militant group ISIS, Abu Mohamad al-Adnani, urged the group's Sunni fighters to march toward the "filth-ridden" Karbala and "the city of polytheism" Najaf, where they would "settle their differences" with Iraq's Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

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      That coarsely worded threat further vindicated Iran's view that the fight unfolding in Iraq is an existential sectarian battle between the two rival sects of Islam-Sunni and Shiite—and by default a proxy battle between their patrons Saudi Arabia and Iran.
      "Until now we haven't received any requests for help from Iraq. Iraq's army is certainly capable in handling this," Iran's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afgham said Wednesday.
      Iranian President Hasan Rouhani cut short a religious celebration on Thursday and said he had to attend an emergency meeting of the country's National Security Council about events in Iraq.
      "We, as the Islamic Republic of Iran, won't tolerate this violence and terrorism…. We will fight and battle violence and extremism and terrorism in the region and the world," he said in a speech.
      ISIS's rapid territorial gains in the past few days appeared to have caught Iranian officials by surprise and opened a debate within the regime over whether Iran should publicly enter the battle.
      Iran's chief of police, Esmail Ahmadi-Moghaddam said the National Security Council would consider intervening in Iraq to "protect Shiite shrines and cities," according to Iranian media.
      In the short-term, analysts said the outcome of the crisis in Iraq will only strengthen and increase the influence of Iran and the Revolutionary Guards.
      Write to Farnaz Fassihi at farnaz.fassihi@wsj.com
       
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