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Cheney: History will record the failure of Obama and al-Maliki in Iraq


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Khandan - Launching Former U.S. Vice President **** Cheney, who took office during the era of former President George W. Bush, a scathing attack on President Barack Obama, saying that the worst of the rule of America, and carry with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, "the responsibility of failure" in Iraq. expressed Cheney In an interview with Network (CNN) American rejection of plans for the dismissal of Obama, even though he described as "the worst president ever known in his life," adding that former President Jimmy Carter, who Republicans believe it was a weaker American Presidents had the best of it. said Cheney, saying: "I think it When we left power, Iraq was put very stable, but Obama said it himself, we have set up a plan to increase the number of soldiers, and the plan was required after the American withdrawal left a military force able to continue to train the Iraqi army and provide capabilities that can not be provided, such as intelligence and air force , but that did not happen. " said former U.S. Vice President that the Iraqi forces, "collapsed," he said, adding that al-Maliki bear part of the responsibility, along with "Obama's failure" to ensure the survival of a U.S. force on the ground, what was born of the chaos in Iraq today. and The presence of a large number of soldiers and officers of the former Iraqi army within the organization "Daash" and whether this has resulted in a solution of the Baath Party and the army, Cheney said: "Maybe some of them (ex-soldiers), but the core of Daash are from al-Qaeda, has killed their leader, former Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and we inflict defeat them and Trdnahm of Iraq Fezhroa in Syria, and returned to collect their forces under the name Daash and entered Iraq again and gathered allies around them. " He continued by saying: "It is not confined to Iraq only, Caliphate, which lodged includes parts of Syria as well, but we have thousands who want to participate in jihad streaming from Europe to the region, some of them from the United States itself. " Cheney pointed out that al-Maliki and Obama "bear the responsibility for this failure," adding that this "will go down in history."

 

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WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!

 

 

In a 1994 interview, Cheney was taken to task over this “missed opportunity” by the neocon American Enterprise Institute. Cheney defended the decision using the following predictions:

 

"Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of iteastern Iraqthe Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey."

 

Let’s look at how clear Cheney’s crystal ball was.

 

http://thecrux.com/y...aid-about-iraq/

 

Cheney's Ending Of The Above Quote:

 

"It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq. The other thing is casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact that we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had, but for the 146 Americans killed in action and for the families it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad and took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein was, how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? And our judgment was not very many, and I think we got it right."


 
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What an idiot Cheney is. Bitter old man. He feels guilty for all the stupid blunders that were made, on his watch, and he tries to deflect attention and blame onto Obama.

 

Oh well, at least it shows he has a soul, which I didn't used to believe. A bitter, twisted, mean and evil old soul, racked with guilt and hate, but a soul, nonetheless.

 

But is Lon Cheney right?

 

No.

 

For one thing, the place might be different, if there were American soldiers there, in large numbers. However, in order for American soldiers to stay in Iraq, Maliki and the Shiites would have to agree. That's the only way it would work. It's their country, their government. That was a key decision, and reflected the fact that America decided to let the Iraqis act as an independent country.....but guess what? They didn't agree. THEY didn't agree, not Obama.  Their leader, Maliki, did not want American troops left. Fine. That was their decision. Like all decisions in life, people must live with the consequences. Not America's fault. Not Obama's fault.

 

The Shiites are the main religious group. They have had plenty of help, first from Bush, next from Obama. This thing can work. And if it doesn't, they share the blame.

 

America made a lot of mistakes, but in the end, it's a long learning curve, Iraq has so very much going for it, that it can be a raging success if the people there want it to be.

 

As well as the mistakes America made, Americans under Bush and Obama did enough good things, to help them be successful. Things like helping rebuild the country, reform the finances and economy. America spent a lot of money there, etc.

 

The place is swimming in oil, which means swimming in money. How hard would it be for Uncle Jed and Granny and Elly May and Jethro, to screw that up?.....just invite foreigners in and they will build the damn industry for you, and the Iraqis can collect the rent, for crying out loud.......well, if the Saddam Hatfield's and Al-Maliki McCoy's keep shooting at each other, I suppose they could....

 

How hard is it to screw up, basically collecting a rent check?

 

This type of thing has been done, time and again, all around the middle east. Basic formula: Find oil? Invite foreigners in. Get them to work. Build things for you. You collect money, get rich.

 

....it's not fricken hard!

 

Forrest Gump could even figure this out!

 

Little story:

 

I have a brother who, it turned out, is a bit of a loser. I helped him tremendously to get a business going. In the end, he blew it all, because he's a bit stupid, about business.

 

I don't feel guilty because he failed. It was his fault, in the end, not mine.

 

Same with Iraq if they screw it up.


History will record, Cheney is a bitter, mean old jerk.

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@ Rochester

Say what you will about Cheney... He's no idiot. Bush has chosen to keep his criticism to himself... let history define his legacy. Cheney is attacking obama because... SOMEONE NEEDS TO! I also doubt that "He feels guilty for all the stupid blunders that were made, on his watch, and he tries to deflect attention and blame onto Obama"... Lol! Hey Pot... meet Kettle! obama is the reining king of stupid blunders and he's done nothing but deflect attention and blame. 

Furthermore, he is right that obama snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. He blew it! It's ridiculous to argue that an agreement could not have been reached to leave some troops there to train and assist the Iraqi military. obama wanted out... he didn't even try. 

I do love this line of your diatribe... "...well, if the Saddam Hatfield's and Al-Maliki McCoy's keep shooting at each other...".  Very clever :)  and true!

History may indeed record Cheney as a jerk... but obama will go down as a weak, corrupt, narcissistic fraud. Our enemies (and allies) neither fear nor respect him. Cheney nailed this one... obama is the worst president EVER! 

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More Famous Quotes From Cheney:

 

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  • I think that the proposition of going to Baghdad is also fallacious. I think if we we're going to remove Saddam Hussein we would have had to go all the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force because I do not believe he would wait in the Presidential Palace for us to arrive. I think we'd have had to hunt him down. And once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq."

 
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@ Rochester

Say what you will about Cheney... He's no idiot. Bush has chosen to keep his criticism to himself... let history define his legacy. Cheney is attacking obama because... SOMEONE NEEDS TO! I also doubt that "He feels guilty for all the stupid blunders that were made, on his watch, and he tries to deflect attention and blame onto Obama"... Lol! Hey Pot... meet Kettle! obama is the reining king of stupid blunders and he's done nothing but deflect attention and blame. 

Furthermore, he is right that obama snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq. He blew it! It's ridiculous to argue that an agreement could not have been reached to leave some troops there to train and assist the Iraqi military. obama wanted out... he didn't even try. 

I do love this line of your diatribe... "...well, if the Saddam Hatfield's and Al-Maliki McCoy's keep shooting at each other...".  Very clever :)  and true!

History may indeed record Cheney as a jerk... but obama will go down as a weak, corrupt, narcissistic fraud. Our enemies (and allies) neither fear nor respect him. Cheney nailed this one... obama is the worst president EVER! 

whatshername,

 

Very well said. You nailed it. Plus one for you.  :twothumbs:

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Ain't freedom of speech great?

 

I think so.

 

I don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything.

 

I don't know how this will end, but in the long run of history, in my opinion, despite everything, the War on Iraq was useful for the following reasons: It showed how Islamic fundamentalism was a threat to free nations. It showed how America and the West has been funding Islamic terrorism, by buying oil from middle eastern countries. It showed just how expensive it was to fight wars in the middle east. In effect it showed that America was funding both sides in the War on Terror. It showed how problematic and complicated it was to fight wars in the middle east. It showed that when you depend on oil to run the world, you have to fund a War on Terror, and also you have to fund wars against Muslim countries. It's unavoidable. And finally it pushed people in America and the rest of the world to finally start seriously thinking about how to get their economies off oil.

 

Lots and lots of research is going on around the world, on ways and means of getting off oil.

 

Without the massive pain of Iraq, this would have never happened.

 

Iraq was a "learning experience" about the terrible cost of running the world on oil.

 

My guess is America will have a few more wars over oil, before doing all the things necessary, to get off oil.

 

Trillions more will have to be spent before this oil curse is over, and many sons and daughters will have to come back, in body bags.

 

But in the end, the people around the world who are coming up with alternatives to oil will win. The research and answers will come from American scientists and will usher in an oil-free era, of abundant energy, where it is no longer required, to fight senseless wars, over oil. That scientific research has been ongoing for a while now and will eventually be successful, making America far far richer than ever.

 

All politics aside, I think this is how history will judge the venture into Iraq. All the minor squabbles of which President did what, and who was a good or horrible President or Vice-President, will be long forgotten, in the sands of time.

 

If **** Cheney were a little smarter man, he'd see this. But he's not.

 

He disappoints me with his pettiness and lack of insight.

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LOL! LOL! LOL! (picking myself up after falling out of my chair). **** Cheney commenting on the Iraq debacle is like Charlie Manson discussing crime prevention at the neighborhood watch association. LOL! Look this up (June, 2003 on Meet the Press--"I believe the insurgency is in its last throes."). LOL! Anybody remember the boy who cried wolf?

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Two misconceptions:

  1. It was not our decision to make about leaving Iraq.  It was built into Bush's agreement with Baghdad.  This is fact.  Anything said outside of fact is political posturing, I encourage all to stop being a victim of it.
  2. The war in Iraq was not about Oil.  It was a Currency War.  It was to protect the Petrodollar.  Hussein attacked the dollar (as did Gaddafi who also died because of it).  It was a declaration of war which declaration is not clearly understood by most citizens.  Hussein announced in September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UN’s Oil-for-Food program, and decided to switch to the euro as Iraq’s oil export currency.

I realize many of us get emotionally tied to some of the news and we pick sides, but investors cannot pick sides.  We have to stay as objective as possible and seek out truth as much as we can because this is how we obtain wealth.  Don't let these politicians sway you with double speak and side talk about who failed and who succeeded and all that garbage.  Stay focused, and know what the truth is.  It is always a money game and always will be. 

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@Maggie123, thx

 

@Trinity, there were lots of reasons for the Iraq War. What you said about Currency Wars is true. However, I noticed that oil production is going to go from 2.5 million barrels per day, to over 12 million barrels per day. This would not have happened without the invasion. I'm sure **** Cheney knew that. So, one reason for the war was to INCREASE oil production, that the world needed so badly, in order to keep the economy of the world growing. There is no conflict between our opinions, imo. Lots of reasons for the war. It's complicated. Good post, thx


@ others, see my post in gold and precious metals section of this site, for a few comments on batteries, that relate to my views, thx


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Two misconceptions:

  1. It was not our decision to make about leaving Iraq.  It was built into Bush's agreement with Baghdad.  This is fact.  Anything said outside of fact is political posturing, I encourage all to stop being a victim of it.
  2. The war in Iraq was not about Oil.  It was a Currency War.  It was to protect the Petrodollar.  Hussein attacked the dollar (as did Gaddafi who also died because of it).  It was a declaration of war which declaration is not clearly understood by most citizens.  Hussein announced in September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UN’s Oil-for-Food program, and decided to switch to the euro as Iraq’s oil export currency.

I realize many of us get emotionally tied to some of the news and we pick sides, but investors cannot pick sides.  We have to stay as objective as possible and seek out truth as much as we can because this is how we obtain wealth.  Don't let these politicians sway you with double speak and side talk about who failed and who succeeded and all that garbage.  Stay focused, and know what the truth is.  It is always a money game and always will be. 

Well said!!!~~~ GO RV!!!~~~

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Whatshername! Thanks for your input. +1 Looks like we've got a bunch of O fans here. Here are a couple of questions for you. Did the Pentagon tell O to leave troops in Iraq? Yes! Did we? No. Is our economy better off now? BTW: count the people that have given up all hopes of getting a job. No Again. Are countries emboldened to confront us due to our weak leadership? Yes again.

 

Maybe if we had left troops in Iraq we would be counting our money right now instead of the ridiculousness we're watching right now.

 

JMHO!

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Trinity I think BOTH you and Rochester are correct... It's about money and oil.

 

$$$ = PETRO Dollar

 

Lack Of OIL (or the perception of lack) = Our Blood and Treasure Invested... So We Behave In The Ways They Desire. ie... send our kids to war... support the rhetoric the MSM tells us out of fear... pay the bloody high prices at the pump.

 

Look I don't care who is the puppet in DC... as far as I'm concerned they all work for the same banksters/corporations. IMHO

 

 

 

This is weird... anyone notice what Cheney said clear back in 1991?

 

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"once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists?


 
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This is weird... anyone notice what Cheney said clear back in 1991?

 

Quote:

"once we'd done that and we'd gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists?

 

 

thanks for highlighting this Maggie and it helps us understand the true nature of these world powers.  see, some of us will get on these forums and have such negative things to say against other cultures because of some emotional attachment we have to whatever cause may be.  world powers are not so.  they use whatever tool it takes to accomplish the mission.  they could care less about religion or governments (socialism, democratic, fascism...).  they will use ANY tool to accomplish the goal.  saddam at one point in time fulfilled a purpose and was used as a tool.  they could care less that he was a dictator or how many people he killed....could care less.  iran was a friend to the united states in the past but became an enemy once the geopolitical and economic agendas didn't dovetail.  they care as much about peace as they do about war.  all are tools to use to attain an end.

 

silly us are the ones who get manipulated into an emotional, side-picking, mess.  we say silly things like "kurds hate kuwaitis" or "i can't stand those ....." or "those stupid commies" and all of that non-sense.  all of that emotional and fruitless wastes of energy is manipulated by the powers to corroborate their true agenda.  eventually and one day we will wake up to truth and no longer wander in the ignorance of manipulation and control.  one day we will see things for what they are.  

 

there is a simple test for people here to see if they are lead by emotions or facts.  how do you answer the question, "Why am I invested in Iraq?"  if you cannot draw out a logical path to investment and time, then you may want to take some introspective time to yourself.  emotions and investment should NOT occupy the same space.

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