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U.S. Signals Iraq's Maliki Should Go !


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Yes there is no immunity for our guys.  See I still blame the foreign policy and the dumb diplomats who handled this.  The US left when maliki was establishing his dictatorship and maliki in no way would get his guys to agree to immunity.  At that time he had the support of Sadr.  But, maliki could have rallied his guys, but US negotiations did not do a good job.  

 

Kurds begged us not to leave because of the maliki marginalizing, arrest of opposition, murders of protesters etc etc.   Now that mlaiki is losing his majority I believe they will get a new GOI without maliki and immunity will be given to the US.  If maliki has lost his power already, they most likely are getting the immunity as we type. I believe that is what is going on now.  The only problem is, we are calling for maliki to leave and he is still in charge  (maybe)  not sure, then it will be another drawn out negotiation. The Iraqi army is in shambles and like 911 for us, this new development with the isis, you have new and green young men joining to stop this take over.    

 

What we all know to keep in mind is the sunni vs shiite war that's been going on for centuries.  And they for some reason have not got up to the 21 century and act like human instead of savages.   They don't just kill their enemies they eat their organs as in rituals of evil.   It somehow makes them feel powerful and invincible.   

 

And when you get down to the bottom of the whole thing, we can't do anything to be accepted by islamic extremist or live in harmony.  Like a christian would say, he's not saved, let's minister to him.  Islamic extremist say he's an infidel we must kill him.  Either for not converting or death for not praying.  Pure evil and doing it all in the name of "allah".  That god allah is not the God of the Bible.   It's obvious, God of the bible tells you to love your enemies, god of the koran says kill them.   If you don't believe that, then if it were the same God he would be unstable.   que si que no

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"A growing number of U.S. lawmakers and Arab allies, particularly Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, are pressing the White House to pull its support for Mr. Maliki. Some of them are pushing for change in exchange for providing their help in stabilizing Iraq, say U.S. and Arab diplomats."

 

This small portion of the news spoke the loudest to me.  If the Saudi's have entered an agreement with US that they will pull the choke chain of ISIS if US pulls its support for Maliki, then that's the hammer on the nails in Maliki's coffin.  The Saudi's have major influence in Sunni military actions.  Reports out of London are saying that the US promises to help Iraq if they end Maliki's reign.  This, to me, says it all.  We await the next PM in the coming days. Hallelujah!

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2014/0618/Maliki-or-ISIS-Neither-looks-good-to-Sunni-Awakening-veterans

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Baghdad — The last time the Al Qaeda franchise raised its head in Iraq, its brutal tactics convinced many fellow Sunnis to take them on.

Back then, fresh-faced Abu Omar was a local leader of the US-backed "Sons of Iraq," trying to put a lid on Sunni militancy.

But today, as Sunni jihadists of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) advance across the country, he sits at home in a dark blue polo shirt playing with his children, unable to stop a storm that he says is threatening to engulf Iraq again...

 

A bloody history

Iraq has seen violent spasms for decades, and during 2006-2007 the United Nations estimated that the killing finally leveled off at 3,000 dead a month, with death squads cleansing Baghdad’s mixed neighborhoods of either Shiite or Sunni or Christian Arabs. Bodies were dumped on streets each morning, clearly tortured, sometimes with drills.

 

Mr. Maliki appeared on television Tuesday night with some Sunni leaders and politicians, in a show of Shiite-Sunni unity. And today he said of the Iraqi armed forces, which disintegrated during the ISIS onslaught: “We have now started our counteroffensive, regaining the initiative and striking back.”

 

During news reports, the pro-Maliki TV channel AFAQ lingers on images of bodies killed in the crisis, as patriotic songs speak of martyrdom and encourage Shiite volunteers: “My flag is still high,” goes one song, that also plays on the radio. “I am alive, but my funeral tent is [already] set up.”

 

Yet the Sunni Iraqis who were most effective against Sunni militants years ago are out of this fight, since ISIS will kill anyone they perceive as against them, says Abu Omar. He has lost relatives who were active in the original Sunni Awakening – known here by the Arabic term “Sahwa” – and still receives threats.

 

But the Awakening’s biggest blow came from Maliki himself, its leaders say. When US forces organized and paid the Sunni network, “Al Qaeda in Iraq became very, very weak,” says an older man who gave the name Abu Salwan, wearing the headdress and dishdasha traditional among Iraqi Sunnis.

 

But Maliki never trusted the armed Sunnis, and failed to pay them after the Americans handed the portfolio to the Iraqi government in 2010. “Within two to three months, the war against Sahwa started: they began assassinating and killing [members] in Sunni areas, and the government arrested Sahwa leaders,” says Abu Salwan...

 

Broken promises

Of the 92,000 Awakening members, the government had promised to integrate 20 percent into the regular security force, find jobs for others, pay salaries, and of course keep them safe. None of those promises were kept. “When the Americans left, [government forces] killed who they chose to kill, stopped others, and then ignored the Sahwa,” says Abu Omar.

 

These Sunnis say signs of sectarianism in the capital make them afraid, with bearded and armed Shiite militiamen now manning checkpoints alongside Iraqi Army and police units, for example, and more frequent sightings of cars without license plates.

 

After ISIS threatened to attack Shiite holy shrines and called Maliki a “fool” who would be dealt with, Iraq’s most revered Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani called last Friday for Iraqis to arm in order to protect the nation and sacred shrines.

 

So the large numbers of Sunnis who they say support ISIS taking ground – and more moderate Sunni “revolutionaries” taking political control of those areas – may indicate lack of awareness of ISIS’ violent methods, say Awakening leaders.

 

Abu Omar says his relatives in areas captured by ISIS are “wrong” to be “happy because ISIS told them they will remove injustice.” They instead compiled computer databases of every one who has worked for the government, “and they won’t stop killing them,” he predicts.

 

Relatives in Mosul “never saw [iSIS] killing people,” just organizing services to help, says Abu Omar. “This is a good thing, to win people’s loyalty, to show the people of Mosul the nice face, and with this loyalty they will brainwash people to get some fighters with them.”

 

It is no surprise to Awakening leaders that Iraq’s Sunnis – a substantial minority that dominated, often harshly, during the reign of Saddam Hussein – are today ready to embrace a “revolution” against Maliki’s rule, no matter who carries it out.

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Your so right trinity.   Saudi has been telling the US for years that maliki is up to no good.   Ya know, Saudi (IMO) can put the stops on this mess in Iraq.   What I really believe is that all the sunnis in the region are rising up and going to Iraq because they are tired of maliki murdering sunnis.   Not just that he murders them, but arrest them, torture them, but also set them up, and these folks saw no end to it.  Allawi, (shiite) is trying to say law down your arms and have dialogue.   Now he did win the majority that maliki usurped from him, so I am wondering if they would actually be game to allow the parliament negotiate for them.   But again, it won't work for those who have come over to Iraq just to join the fight or the spill over from syria who wants sunni/sharia control.    This place is not only complicated, but they are bullheaded and indoctrinated, cause there is not much education in them who are fighting.  If there was, and they still behave the way they do, then I would have to ask, are they really of the humane/human race???

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Thank You Tankdude. Good Article!

 

Maliki ended the the Sunni Awakening's successful efforts throughout the years to keep out terrorist because he was sectarian and totally paranoid.

 

I'm seeing more and more that if we back Maliki or ANY Shiite puppet guberment... it would be absolutely the worst we could do under the circumstances..

 

The Sunnis and Kurds have to feel empowered and protected by the powers in Bagdad before they will take up the fight again to get ISIS and the other terrorist groups out... Otherwise they would be signing their death warrants from ISIS... and not only from them... but also from Shiite military and their militants when Bagdad comes in shooting at all of them. It will take a lot to gain any trust or a feeling of support from Bagdad.

 

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Broken promises

 

Of the 92,000 Awakening members, the government had promised to integrate 20 percent into the regular security force, find jobs for others, pay salaries, and of course keep them safe. None of those promises were kept. “When the Americans left, [government forces] killed who they chose to kill, stopped others, and then ignored the Sahwa,” says Abu Omar.


 
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