dontlop Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Iraq wanted to be able to arrest our troops Ya right But because of their ignorance they voted along part lines and voted for maliki Were still in Kuwait very close and Iraq hasn't been completely removed from ch7 I think Who knows what options are still avaliable Man Kansas City chiefs should be embarressed Edited January 5, 2014 by dontlop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unirod Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'm really pissed now! they are burning a Ford pickup! what a waste I agree dontlop, the KC Chiefs are embarrassing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayLay Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Just a bump in the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 When the SOFA ended, renewal was turned down because our troops were not going to be given immunity. That's a biggie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportfisher Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I think all of this news has to do with that film. You know the one that caused all that problem in Bengazi. As Hillarious would say, its too late to send in help. Does it really matter who did it. Wow, and we depend on these people. Democrats still rule. Go figure. this movie had nothin' to do with it, but it is funny. blaming the film was a lie just another lie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarSpot Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 It is obvious Obama was more interested in his political base and not reality If Benghazi didn't prove it iraq does and soon Afghanistan Obama is a terrible president Please don't let the facts obscure his vision, it could negatively effect his golf game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfCamelot Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) I think all of this news has to do with that film. You know the one that caused all that problem in Bengazi. As Hillarious would say, its too late to send in help. Does it really matter who did it. Wow, and we depend on these people. Democrats still rule. Go figure. Right the film.. What a damn crock and now everybody knows about it. The only time Obama is in the news is when its bad news! I wonder of the dems hear themselves! But worse is this congress does nothing to hold him accountable. Look at the crap that has unfolded: Fast and Furious....Still no answers NSA.......Still no answers IRS........Still no answers Benghazi....Still no answers Obamacare....now that we have read it, we dont like it....and it keeps changing, where is the congress on that? Erosion of the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments Closing Gitmo and letting the jerks go back to plotting killing Americans Pulling out of Iraq and now Afghanistan and essentially giving the Al Qwada type's free way to take over Lack of Leadership when the masses in Iran called for help Destabilized the region with the Egypt uprising and forced Mubarak out As a result left Israel high and dry and now spurns their requests for security Worse...bowing to every leader in the middleeast and Asia.....he should have just kissed the floor they stood on. Increased the debt by 4Tr Creating a socio-communist free bee state And this is my favorite...brainwash the children by creating a socialist syllabus in schools....oops...lets teach 4th graders about homo sexuality and sex education But most unpatriotic of all...Never sings the national Anthem and never covers his heart when its playing. Jeez, I could go on! Disgusting!! Shame on us the people!! But my above post diverses from the topic. At this rate Iraq will be taken over by Al Qaeda. Period. Maliki does not have the means, or experience to stop them. Edited January 5, 2014 by OfCamelot 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new york kevin Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Wasn't there an agreement that U.S. forces would go back into Iraq on a temporary basis in circumstances such as these? Will Maliki invite them? Will they come in and do the job again, on their own? Or will they go in a save Iraq's butt one more time under the cover of Iraqi uniforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 In today's news, Kerry said he is confident that Iraq can handle this all by themselves. We will support them, but without troops. al-Qaeda eradication is the responsibility of the entire world, not just the U.S. imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid4dinar Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 In today's news, Kerry said he is confident that Iraq can handle this all by themselves. We will support them, but without troops. al-Qaeda eradication is the responsibility of the entire world, not just the U.S. imo. There is another one that has no idea how to handle a situation. John Kerry, nothing more than a big cry baby, a fake, (I feel out of the boat when I was trying to hide and got hurt. I want to be somebody someday so give me a Purple Heart. You first have to have guts to receive a Purple Heart. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yota691 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Wasn't there an agreement that U.S. forces would go back into Iraq on a temporary basis in circumstances such as these? Will Maliki invite them? Will they come in and do the job again, on their own? Or will they go in a save Iraq's butt one more time under the cover of Iraqi uniforms? The SFA Strategic Framework Agreement, has these clause from what I hear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISKY291 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 If we did create saddam it would be our responsibility to remove him First of all saddam murdered his way into power If we sell guns to people and they turn into killers shouldn't we take them out You may sell a guy a gun and he's fine but one day he loses his job gets divorced goes bankrupt and decides to go on a killin spree It's our duty to take out the killer we can't say we made him so we shouldn't do anything When the Bp oil spill happened it doesn't matter who did it we needed to stop the oil flow We needed a leader to kick them out of the way and stop the oil Not someone who all he did was say he will hold them accountable He will make them pay Stop the oil first then go after them We do have a corp of engineers ThAt display of leadership was a disgrace yet they voted him back in I'm embarrassed by those voters being American educated Dontlop, you nailed it. I don't understand how he got back into office. It had to have been fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroitjazzman Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I do remember when the US was leaving Iraq it was over the extension of the SOFA.... Would you want to try to win a war and have to worry about being brought to trial over collateral damage or loss of life??? The iraqi's were quite clear as a sovereign nation to elect to defend their own country. Perhaps today they might want to rethink that position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandstorm Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 the us couldve stayed with immunity, it the "o" administration had used its leverage properly during negotiations. look at the iraq negotiating failure, the iranian nuke negotiation failure, and the complete list of other failures. but when you go into negotiations thinking its americas fault, we yielded for sympathy, rather than reality. completely embarrassing. but imo, america left and we shouldnt go back. let it be, what it will be. live with the embarrassment of political failure. iraq thought they were big boys, yet their being taken over by a camel brigade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinMan Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 ***/// Is this finally the end of the BLAME BUSH era and the start of BLAME HOBUMMER...? About time. Long over due. WUT? Bush got us there based on ONE MAN'S WORD and you should've seen the sunken face when someone told him there were no WMD's and the invasion was one big fat mistake. How is Obama to blame for anything going on in Iraq? Sovereign country, right? We're not babysitting anymore, right? Is someone blaming Obama for not keeping up his babysitting duties?! Maliki and Talabani are at fault for not keeping up the pressure against A-Q from regaining prominence in Fallujah. The allies had a tough battle there and now T & M cannot maintain control. For this reason, I think we're a long way off from an RV or RD. The country has quite a long way to go. See ya in a few years! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandstorm Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 WUT? Bush got us there based on ONE MAN'S WORD and you should've seen the sunken face when someone told him there were no WMD's and the invasion was one big fat mistake. How is Obama to blame for anything going on in Iraq? Sovereign country, right? We're not babysitting anymore, right? Is someone blaming Obama for not keeping up his babysitting duties?! Maliki and Talabani are at fault for not keeping up the pressure against A-Q from regaining prominence in Fallujah. The allies had a tough battle there and now T & M cannot maintain control. For this reason, I think we're a long way off from an RV or RD. The country has quite a long way to go. See ya in a few years! bushs fault? no. more like americas view of wanting to quelm the uprising in the middle east, due to long term american interest in that area.but when you dont have the poltical courage to finish the job, all efforts of intially doing so goes to waste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLadiesDaddy Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 WUT? Bush got us there based on ONE MAN'S WORD and you should've seen the sunken face when someone told him there were no WMD's and the invasion was one big fat mistake. How is Obama to blame for anything going on in Iraq?Sovereign country, right?We're not babysitting anymore, right?Is someone blaming Obama for not keeping up his babysitting duties?! Maliki and Talabani are at fault for not keeping up the pressure against A-Q from regaining prominence in Fallujah.The allies had a tough battle there and now T & M cannot maintain control. For this reason, I think we're a long way off from an RV or RD.The country has quite a long way to go. See ya in a few years! This is what happens when the gubberment takes over public education. poor reading comprehension skills. Poor understanding of history. And of course poor math skills. You should be ashamed of yourself, rain man, It's not that hard to be self educated. Then when you post on a blog you won't look so stupid. Here allow me to start your education. .... Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds killing nearly 100 thousand of them. HISTORICAL FACT. Nerve gas is considered by most, intelligent, people to be a weapon of mass destruction. So yes Iraq had them and used them. We gave Saddam several weeks notice before we invaded (not the best military strategy).Now we know that Syria has chemical weapons and has used them. Ya don't gotta be a rocket scientist to do that math. Obummer refused to sign The SFA with Iraq, clearly for political reasons, and that meant our troops had to leave. HISTORICAL FACTS. Now to assist you in your reading skills. Of all the years I've been in this I have NEVER seen Iraq reporting to"implement"so much. We know from articles that nearly every"broken law" is now being implemented. We know that the TBI now has the reserves required by the CBI. We know that the BIS is now accepting deposits of Iraqi dinar. We know that Baghdad and the Kurds have reached an agreement on ALL issues regarding HCL. And now we know that the Iraqi army is going after Qaida in a major way, thereby giving Iraq the security it needs. Now I submit to you for advanced study that the very fact that our media, from Fox News to the New York Times, has been putting a serious slant on the current events in Iraq suggest to me something is afoot. .Every media outlet in America is intentionally making it sound as if Iraq is in utter chaos. But we know from Iraqi news sources that's simply not the case. So why the big slant? Guess the world is not meant to see what happens in the dark. I truly think the RV is SUDDENLY going to happen. And no you won't hear one word about it in the major media. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISKY291 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Right the film.. What a damn crock and now everybody knows about it. The only time Obama is in the news is when its bad news! I wonder of the dems hear themselves! But worse is this congress does nothing to hold him accountable. Look at the crap that has unfolded: Fast and Furious....Still no answers NSA.......Still no answers IRS........Still no answers Benghazi....Still no answers Obamacare....now that we have read it, we dont like it....and it keeps changing, where is the congress on that? Erosion of the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments Closing Gitmo and letting the jerks go back to plotting killing Americans Pulling out of Iraq and now Afghanistan and essentially giving the Al Qwada type's free way to take over Lack of Leadership when the masses in Iran called for help Destabilized the region with the Egypt uprising and forced Mubarak out As a result left Israel high and dry and now spurns their requests for security Worse...bowing to every leader in the middleeast and Asia.....he should have just kissed the floor they stood on. Increased the debt by 4Tr Creating a socio-communist free bee state And this is my favorite...brainwash the children by creating a socialist syllabus in schools....oops...lets teach 4th graders about homo sexuality and sex education But most unpatriotic of all...Never sings the national Anthem and never covers his heart when its playing. Jeez, I could go on! Disgusting!! Shame on us the people!! But my above post diverses from the topic. At this rate Iraq will be taken over by Al Qaeda. Period. Maliki does not have the means, or experience to stop them. Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. You freeken nailed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid4dinar Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't let the door hit cha in the butt. Remember idiot rain man That every member of congress Voted to give the president the authority to invade Iraq with the intelligence they all saw, when America was attacked on 911. Congress projected hundreds of thousands Of U.S soldiers would be killed. Yet they still approved the invasion. Stop drinking the Obama Koolaid and wake up! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncirculd Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. You freeken nailed it. That's the plan to create chaos and confusion. In the meantime while everyone is busy with all his scandals; him and his goons in congress back door us with another one up the nose, or another executive order to take away more freedoms. I wonder if he is related to maliki. It's a shame to think the there is such things as democrats and republicans. If you take the meaning of the two, neither stand for the citizens. Kind of like Iraq. I thought Bush made some huge mistakes, as did Clinton, Bush Sr etc. But now, we are losing our very foundation of this country. "FREEDOM". We are free to speak for now and that's about it. I believe we are on the verge of serious communism and/or Marxism. I can't say that I wake up thinking I live in the best country in the world because it's exactly what obama promised. Change! It just ain't for the good. Change is for the bad. I try and rationalize with what is he doing, but I can't get past his arrogance to figure why he does anything. His way or hi way type of reign. And I do mean reign. He has become above the laws and he makes them himself. And as for the ACLU, where the heck are they for all these constitutional violations? Where are his opposition? Is he that dangerous that they won't push too hard? Does he have that much money to pay them off? That's where I come to the conclusion there is no dems or reps. They are all out for themselves and could care less about us. Once they take everything we worked for, we then become their slaves. Kind of like now. You must buy what they say or they will fine or tax you. Next we will be told what to wear according to our race and where to work and which days we work. That's another thing this President has done. Instead of being a uniter, he has been part of the problem and getting involved in race wars, class wars, sex wars etc. He's is no friend of the female as he says. Are they making equal wages for equal jobs and skills. NO! He's a talker right the rest of them, dancing around the issues while he creates more crisis. The plan is to divide the people and while they are busy fighting, the government back doors new executive orders and congress enacts new laws to further destroy us. I say I will vote for anyone who opposes the business as usual in washington right now. Edited January 6, 2014 by uncirculd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzur Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Not to be on the wrong side here but wasn't there an agreement in place between Iraq and the US that the troops would leave Iraq at a particular date and that when that date came Maliki did not want to change or revise it in any way...just wanted the occupiers out of the country? Yes, signed in 2008..... So I would like the Senators who are using my time and tax money to do the dong dance, ....to tell me exactly why they either don't know that, or are are putting their needs ahead of the American people in resolving this, by telling a pointless lie about it..... And good God yes there are lots of democrats that need to go as well..... and this is what we happen to be talking about..... Why are these men ignorant about a major treaty signed by an entirely different president, specifying these exact timelines, and signed in 2008..... No blame here, that would be as stupid as these men are acting right now...... my question is why are they acting like this? BTW, here is the link to the other thread discussing this treaty.... Maybe those guys should have one of their aides read DV threads? http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/169204-whos-to-blame-for-al-qaedas-resurgence-in-iraq/#entry1309850 Edited January 6, 2014 by Rayzur 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncirculd Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I think Rayzur that every President abides by the treaties/agreements. The problem with the Iraq situation is when the treaty was up and it was time to look at what was going on, where were the diplomats that would fix this? Obama has a bunch of clowns in his administration. Such backgrounds of them is outrageous. It appears that he stood down our military when our ambassador and seals needed help in Bengazi. (libya) Which still haunts the news today, and we still have no answers for why. I am definately disappointed that he made a 2nd term. He danced through the first one, and now he is slamming us with exe orders that could create a civil war. This administration let (knowing quite well) maliki marginalize and pretending it was an internal fix, and also knowing Iran was pulling maliki's strings. The US admin also turned a blind eye to the arbitrary arrest, the death sentences of the vice president, the torture in prisons. Then there is the kurds and sunnis begging the US not to leave. AT that point I believe we could have done more than just leave. The US always finds a way...always. (Heck, the US went in there with the WMD excuse, or was it to free the Iraqi's...who knows...the US went in and found a way) So, The US knew "everything" that was going on at the time of departure. Now here is something I really think. If the US could not stay and help keep the citizens safe, then Iraq should have been left in chapter 7 until they had formed a power sharing government. You know politics can do wonders. Just like the slacking of the rules in order for them to join the WTO. I think the politicians have a bigger issue of greed and slacked off on or turned the blind eye to the dictator. If obama had the will, he would get his way. His arrogance for sure, but his diplomacy has failed Iraq. 2 presidents that will go down in history that botched the Iraq's dictator removal are bush and obama. I am still not sure why we went to Iraq, WMD, free Iraqis, oil, petro dollar, and I believe we won't know. But if obama said he would clean up bushes mess, why is Guantanamo and iraq still in shambles. I guess you could call me a non patriot, but my allegiance lies with my fellow citizens. I have not much faith in what our government/gangsters/banksters system has been doing with our country. I think Obama wanted to try and fulfill his promise at "ALL" cost by getting the troops out and he didn't even try to stay there or put his worst guy on the job. Just like he did with cramming the UNaffordale care act....AKA Obamacare. It's the biggest piece of corruption to hit this country since the federal reserve. sorry rayzur, i wrote so fast, may have really really bad grammar and spelling and may not make sense. i just let the brain roll and i held back alot....lol...that's a lie,,,, it ain't in my nature.... Edited January 6, 2014 by uncirculd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easy Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 This is what happens when the gubberment takes over public education. poor reading comprehension skills. Poor understanding of history. And of course poor math skills. You should be ashamed of yourself, rain man, It's not that hard to be self educated. Then when you post on a blog you won't look so stupid. Here allow me to start your education. .... Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds killing nearly 100 thousand of them. HISTORICAL FACT. Nerve gas is considered by most, intelligent, people to be a weapon of mass destruction. So yes Iraq had them and used them. We gave Saddam several weeks notice before we invaded (not the best military strategy).Now we know that Syria has chemical weapons and has used them. Ya don't gotta be a rocket scientist to do that math. Obummer refused to sign The SFA with Iraq, clearly for political reasons, and that meant our troops had to leave. HISTORICAL FACTS. Now to assist you in your reading skills. Of all the years I've been in this I have NEVER seen Iraq reporting to"implement"so much. We know from articles that nearly every"broken law" is now being implemented. We know that the TBI now has the reserves required by the CBI. We know that the BIS is now accepting deposits of Iraqi dinar. We know that Baghdad and the Kurds have reached an agreement on ALL issues regarding HCL. And now we know that the Iraqi army is going after Qaida in a major way, thereby giving Iraq the security it needs. Now I submit to you for advanced study that the very fact that our media, from Fox News to the New York Times, has been putting a serious slant on the current events in Iraq suggest to me something is afoot. .Every media outlet in America is intentionally making it sound as if Iraq is in utter chaos. But we know from Iraqi news sources that's simply not the case. So why the big slant? Guess the world is not meant to see what happens in the dark. I truly think the RV is SUDDENLY going to happen. And no you won't hear one word about it in the major media. Agreed won't hear a word. Some folks get all knotted up obama is mentioned. Sounds like one of the 51% . 2016 can't get here soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Newby Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Politicians and pundits always quote statistics that back up a "at that moment" politically expedient point. "Just because you think you're right doesn't mean you're right, and just because you believe I'm wrong doesn't mean I'm wrong." That cuts both ways. Politically expedient point: AIDS is the worst disease to ever show up in the World. It has devastated millions of people in the U.S. It's much more potent than most other diseases to strike Americans. Reality: Only 650,000 U.S. people TOTAL have died of AIDS and AIDS complications. Put that in perspective to, let's say Heart Disease. 500,000 die each YEAR in the U.S. from heart disease and heart related incidents. Political expedience determines what "facts" are quoted when and where. Let's be frank: violence is rampant in Iraq. But, honestly, violence has ALWAYS been rampant in Iraq. The first 4 leaders of Islam were all brutally murdered by relatives and/or followers. In most cases, it's a violent religion which begats more violent lifestyles than other religions. U.S. politicians talk about violence in Iraq when (and only when) it is expedient for whatever point they're pushing. Conservatives and Liberal alike are guilty of painting whatever picture they're painting at the time with the brush they need to shade the picture to look the way they want it to look. How do you find the truth in these matters? Do self research. Read....watch....and think. Sure we're all concerned about Al Qaida doing what they're doing. But, guess what? They did it 1000 years ago, they did it 20 years ago, and (if they don't blow up the Earth) they'll be doing it 1000 years from now. In the meantime, the one thing all Iraqi's have to have -- whether peaceful or violent people -- MONEY!!!!!! Can't conduct violence and/or war without money. Even Al Qaida needs this RV!!!! maybe now more than ever. (I know I do!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chess Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 CATCH 22: RV=good for the Muslim economy.....BUT, more weapons will now be bought by fledgling terrorists!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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