Israel will attack Iran if you sign the deal, French MP told Fabius

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Israel will attack Iran if you sign the deal, French MP told Fabius’ Paris legislator Meyer Habib, a friend of Netanyahu, called his FM in Geneva to warn of likely response should accord be signed, Israeli TV reports

BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF November 10, 2013, 8:53 pm 117

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with the Foreign Minister of France, Laurent Fabius, at the Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem, 25 August 2013 (photo credit: Marc Israel Sellem/Pool/Flash90)

 

A French member of parliament telephoned French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius in Geneva at the weekend to warn him that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would attack Iran’s nuclear facilities if the P5+1 nations did not stiffen their terms on a deal with Iran, Israel’s Channel 2 News reported Sunday.

“I know [Netanyahu],” the French MP, Meyer Habib, reportedly told Fabius, and predicted that the Israeli prime minister would resort to the use of force if the deal was approved in its form at the time. “If you don’t toughen your positions, Netanyahu will attack Iran,” the report quoted Habib as saying. “I know this. I know him. You have to toughen your positions in order to prevent war.”

France’s Fabius is widely reported to have scuppered the finalizing of the emerging deal late Saturday, leading to the halting of the negotiations with Iran, and an agreement to reconvene on November 20.

Explaining his concerns to reporters in Geneva, Fabius said Tehran was resisting demands that it suspend work on its plutonium-producing reactor at Arak and downgrade its stockpile of higher-enriched uranium.

Habib, the deputy president of the Jewish umbrella organization in France, was elected to the National Assembly in Paris in June, to represent the district of southern Europe, which includes French nationals residing in Israel.

“I have known Meyer Habib for many years and he is a good friend to me and to Israel,” Netanyahu said in French in a video of endorsement posted on YouTube in May. Standing next to Habib, Netanyahu continued in Hebrew: “He fights a lot for Israel, for public opinion, and cares intensely about the Land of Israel and Jerusalem, and he has helped me over the years deepen Israeli-French relations.”

The TV report on Sunday said Jerusalem believed that Netanyahu’s angry public criticism of the emerging deal, and his phone conversations with world leaders — including Presidents Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin, and Francois Hollande, Chancellor Angela Merkel and Prime Minister David Cameron — had played a crucial role in stalling the deal, but that Israel was well aware that an agreement would be reached very soon. Netanyahu himself said Sunday that he was aware of the “strong desire” for a deal on the part of the P5+1 negotiators, and had asked the various leaders in his calls, “What’s the hurry?”

The report, quoting sources in Jerusalem, said Netanyahu and ministers close to him were castigating the United States for its “radical eagerness” in seeking a deal, and saying that Washington appeared fearful of confrontation with Iran. “This is no way to run a negotiation,” the sources were quoted as saying. The Americans “are giving up all of their pressure points, and the Iranians recognize the Americans’ weakness.”

Meyer Habib (photo credit: screen capture Meyer Habib/YouTube)

At Sunday’s cabinet meeting, Netanyahu expressed outrage that under the terms of the emerging deal, “not a single centrifuge would be dismantled, not one.”

Israel believes the imminent deal will leave Iran with uranium enrichment capabilities, and thus enable it to become a nuclear breakout state at a time of its choosing.

Secretary of State John Kerry hit back at Netanyahu on Sunday, declaring, “I’m not sure that the prime minister, who I have great respect for, knows exactly what the amount or the terms are going to be because we haven’t arrived at them all yet. That’s what we’re negotiating.”

After the talks broke up in Geneva after midnight Saturday, Kerry complained about critics who were “jumping to conclusions” about the terms of the accord on the basis of “rumors or other parcels of information that somebody pretends to know.”

Netanyahu on Friday publicly pleaded with Kerry not to rush to sign what he called a “very, very bad deal.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-will-attack-if-you-sign-the-deal-french-mp-told-fabius/

 

[dog53]

Then absolutely go ahead and sign it.

I have always hated putting off the inevitable 

[chess]

.....nice day for a.............!

[Shabibilicious]

.....nice day for a.............!

 

White Wedding?    

 

 

GO RV, then BV

[chess]

White Wedding?    

 

 

GO RV, then BV

....that too, of course....was thinking more of a bombing!

[flatdawg]

Israel just can't stand the thought of peace in the ME.

[chess]

Israel just can't stand the thought of peace in the ME.

 

mmmmm........EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN STRIVING FOR IT, AT GREAT SACRIFICES, FOR OVER 5,OOO YEARS!!!!

 

You may wish to reconsider your blatantly idiotic statement....even as prejudiced as you always seem to be.   

[flatdawg]

mmmmm........EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN STRIVING FOR IT, AT GREAT SACRIFICES, FOR OVER 5,OOO YEARS!!!!

 

You may wish to reconsider your blatantly idiotic statement....even as prejudiced as you always seem to be.

Hahaha

[joekooltrips]

Israel needs to chill out.  

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

mmmmm........EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN STRIVING FOR IT, AT GREAT SACRIFICES, FOR OVER 5,OOO YEARS!!!!

 

You may wish to reconsider your blatantly idiotic statement....even as prejudiced as you always seem to be.   

 

...  ......

[Maggie123]

Thank You Beautiful Dream.

 

 

.....nice day for a.............!

 

 

....that too, of course....was thinking more of a bombing!

 

Chess... just curious... why do you think it would be ".....nice day for a..........!" ...    to bomb Iran?

 

You do know that many nice people live there...  like Papa's... Mama's... and their kiddo's... Right?

 

I'll bet you also know that their guberment has not been in a war in over 200 years... and have no intentions of building a bomb.

 

 

You want a debate about this... I feel prepared to take you on... In a respectful way of course... With lot's of facts.

 

NOT a Bible study...  Just You and Me...   Showing FACTS.

 

Don't feel the need for either one of us to have "cheerleaders"...

 

 

...could be interesting... we could both learn a little from each other.

 

 

Are you up for that?

Edited November 13, 2013 by Maggie123

[Gullywumper]

Wow! Then why did Iran refuse to have their nuclear plant inspected?

Why are they making heavy water and U92?

Dam right they are building a bomb.Every country should have the right to protect

their own countries.We do and a bunch others.

Who are we to say you cant?Whats good for the goose you know.

Israel needs to shut the hell up and enjoy the land that god gave them back

and just live.But no they want to be greedy like us.They saw our model.

and use us to get what they want.

Israel is just like us they have the wrong people running their country.

Iran see's us as infidels according to the koran we must die.Iran can run their mouths

they have russia and korea to help them so leave them be.

We dont need ww3 yet! Let them who fire the first shot get there's in the end.

Every country has the wrong political leadership at this moment in time so the end is near.

and Israel is poking the scalded dog who will bite back.

Iran is tired of israel's mouth and if they want a war well then go fight it yourself without us

backing you.Israel would crawfish.Let there be peace instead of war I say

but greed loses a country.God has to be disappointed with israel right now.

JMHO is all.

[Maggie123]

Wow! Then why did Iran refuse to have their nuclear plant inspected?

 

Gullywumper...

 

Iran has always said... OK

 

Israel has always said... Nope

 

 

Bottom Line For Me... I side with Iran and the other abused people..

 

Palistinians may have a story to tell to you.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Maggie123

[sandfly]

YEP

[chess]

Maggie...to start with, do you believe Israel has a right to be located where they are? Do you believe they should be on alert and

have the right to defend themselves, especially when their neighbors claim that they should be wiped off the face of the earth?

[desimo]

Isreal will do what America has lost the backbone to do. 

[flatdawg]

especially when their neighbors claim that they should be wiped off the face of the earth?

Ahmadinejad never said anything about wiping Israel off the map. That was Zionist propaganda.

Go look for the correct translation. It's very easy to find. Once you know what he really said, you may stop looking like such a fool.

There are more than 40k Jews living in Iran. Israel has asked them many times to come live in Israel. They refuse, they like the peace that is Iran. Not the war mongering of Rothschildistan.

[dog53]

Ahmadinejad never said anything about wiping Israel off the map. That was Zionist propaganda.

Go look for the correct translation. It's very easy to find. Once you know what he really said, you may stop looking like such a fool.

There are more than 40k Jews living in Iran. Israel has asked them many times to come live in Israel. They refuse, they like the peace that is Iran. Not the war mongering of Rothschildistan.

 

Flat your right he didnt say it exactly that way BUT he did not say "Hey yall wanna do lunch"

 

 .  The Facts

The firestorm started when Nazila Fathi, then the Tehran correspondent of The New York Times, reported a story almost six years ago that was headlined: “Wipe Israel ‘off the map’ Iranian says.” The article attributed newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks to a report by the ISNA press agency.

 

The article sparked outrage around the globe, with then-President George W. Bush and other world leaders condemning Ahmadinejad’s statement. The original New York Times article noted that Ahmadinejad said he was quoting Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, but that aspect was largely overlooked.

Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and  Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time" for "sahneh-i ruzgar" or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency, Cole says. In fact, that’s how it was presented for years on Ahmadinejad’s English-language Web site, as the Times noted in a somewhat defensive article on the translation debate.

 But the story doesn’t end there. Karim Sadjadpour, an Iranian specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, notes that Iranian government entities began to erect billboards and signs with the “wipe off” phrase in English. Joshua Teitelbaum of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs compiled an interesting collection of photographs of these banners, such as one on the building that houses reserve military forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. “Israel should be wiped out of the face of the world,” the sign reads in English.

Teitelbaum’s report, while written from a pro-Israel perspective, includes a number of threatening statements about Israel that are similar in tone to Ahmadinejad’s controversial statement.

In 2000, Khamenei stated, “Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam [Khomeini] and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.” He went on to say in the same speech that “Palestinian refugees should return and Muslims, Christians and Jews could choose a government for themselves, excluding immigrant Jews.”

 Sadjadpour, who has closely studied the statements of Khamenei, said that the supreme leader has spoken more on the question of Israel than any other issue, which is remarkable given that Iran shares no border with Israel and that the Jewish state has virtually no impact on the daily lives of Iranians. Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’”

 Of course, an Israeli might conclude that such an outcome would be the destruction of the Jewish state in any case.

 

The Pinocchio Test

 Some might question why Ahmadinejad’s precise words are important. Clearly, the Iranian government has unrelenting opposition to the state of Israel, so much so that it even rejects Palestinian efforts at statehood if that would result in Israel remaining in the Middle East. Indeed, Tehran has armed and funded Hamas, Hezbollah and other militant groups opposed to Israel. At the same time, the words allegedly uttered by Ahmadinejad have been used to suggest a change toward a more militaristic posture by Iran toward Israel.

 In fact, Ahmadinejad is not the power broker in Iran; it is Khamenei. Khamenei, in fact, has been consistent in speaking of his hatred of Israel, but without a military context, as he demonstrated once again this week.  Moreover, the fact that Ahmadinejad was merely quoting Khomeini suggests that even less weight should have been given to his words, especially since there is a dispute over the precise meaning in English.

 “Wipe off the map,” in other words, has become easy shorthand for expressing revulsion at Iran’s anti-Israeli foreign policy. Certainly attention needs to be focused on that — and Iranian behavior in the region. But we’re going to award a Pinocchio to everyone — including ourselves — who has blithely repeated the phrase without putting it into context.

 

 

 

Iran is like a bad pitbull. It wasn't the dogs fault . It was trained by a heartless master to kill. Its all it ever knew. In most cases you cant rehabilitate them.

 

They must be put down. 

Edited November 14, 2013 by dog53

[chess]

Thanks for the clarification!

[Maggie123]

Maggie...to start with, do you believe Israel has a right to be located where they are? Do you believe they should be on alert and

have the right to defend themselves, especially when their neighbors claim that they should be wiped off the face of the earth?

 

Evening Chess It looks like dog cleared up that statement that got all twisted around in translations.

 

It doesen't matter if they should have been given another people's country because they are there now and clearly not leaving.

 

Of course Israel should be able to protect themselves and can do so quite well...

 

due to all the Billions in foreign aid we have given them for years to build up their military and build lots of nukes.

 

What matters to me is the way they treat the Palistinians and the pressure they want to wield towards the United States to do their bidding.

 

Iran also has the right to defend themselves under the circumstances... in reality Israel is the one threatening them.

 

Iran has not been in war in over 200 years... Israel nor the US can even come close to being able to say that.

 

 

On a side note... I don't think the sanctions are going to be as bad for Iran as they were for Iraq (killing 500,000 children) because I see them aligning with the BRIC nations to sell their oil... that is probably the only real reason we might attack... I certainly hope we don't make that mistake. JMHO

Edited November 14, 2013 by Maggie123

[chess]

Evening Chess It looks like dog cleared up that statement that got all twisted around in translations.

 

It doesen't matter if they should have been given another people's country because they are there now and clearly not leaving.

 

Of course Israel should be able to protect themselves and can do so quite well...

 

due to all the Billions in foreign aid we have given them for years to build up their military and build lots of nukes.

 

What matters to me is the way they treat the Palistinians and the pressure they want to wield towards the United States to do their bidding.

 

Iran also has the right to defend themselves under the circumstances... in reality Israel is the one threatening them.

 

Iran has not been in war in over 200 years... Israel nor the US can even come close to being able to say that.

 

 

On a side note... I don't think the sanctions are going to be as bad for Iran as they were for Iraq (killing 500,000 children) because I see them aligning with the BRIC nations to sell their oil... that is probably the only real reason we might attack... I certainly hope we don't make that mistake. JMHO

 

 

Israel has to talk that way. Similar to JFK and Cubrr.  Short span of "200 years, no war" ain't much.  Iran is not your great great great grandfather's Persia. Well, okay, actually it is in part.

 ......and, I'm very grateful that the USA was deeply involved in a few wars. (for me, a covert op/Laos--'60&'61)  ......and, Israel HAD to for defense.

[flatdawg]

 Iran is not your great great great grandfather's Persia.

And today's Israel is not the biblical home of the Israelites.

[dog53]

And today's Israel is not the biblical home of the Israelites.

 

True dat

[chess]

And today's Israel is not the biblical home of the Israelites.

 

Wellll, how far back and where do you want to go....stop and start where? Land of Canaan, 12 Tribes of Israel that wandered all over the place?

How about 1020 BCE-930 BCE (over 3,000 years ago) during the era of THE UNITED KINGDOM OF ISRAEL, around the time of Saul and David.

Big area that encompassed Jerusalem.  Sooo, geographically, today's Israel is EXACTLY their biblical home.

True dat

 

WRONG DAT!!..............CHECK ABOVE, PLEASE........

[chess]

Thank You Beautiful Dream.

 

 

 

 

 

Chess... just curious... why do you think it would be ".....nice day for a..........!" ...    to bomb Iran?

 

You do know that many nice people live there...  like Papa's... Mama's... and their kiddo's... Right?

 

I'll bet you also know that their guberment has not been in a war in over 200 years... and have no intentions of building a bomb.

 

 

You want a debate about this... I feel prepared to take you on... In a respectful way of course... With lot's of facts.

 

NOT a Bible study...  Just You and Me...   Showing FACTS.

 

Don't feel the need for either one of us to have "cheerleaders"...

 

 

...could be interesting... we could both learn a little from each other.

 

 

Are you up for that?

 

Hi Maggie.......wellll, yo boyz turned it into a "Bible study."........;-)......see above!