Did you enroll in AHC without a hitch? Got insurance?

[DinarDiva007]

Dog the problem is YES it will collapse, it was made to collapse. Then they can usher in the one payor system. Then we can all just die waiting for treatment. (my best friend lives in BC,Canada she has been waiting for 18 mths to have some tests done and see a doctor)

 

Stud... I am a HEALTH INSURANCE AGENT so nobody know better than I do. Let me make this simple for you if you make 40k/yr or above you get NO help with your health insurance, no tax subsidies. The premiums are double or triple what they are now. A 55 yr old pays 250/mth now it is $500/mth  

 

The healthy, middle class is getting the royal screw!!! This plan is good for the poor and people with pre-exsisting but the people in the middle can not afford it!. Can you imagine if you didn't even already have health insurance taking on a $500/mth bill. Geez that's a car payment!!

Edited October 30, 2013 by DinarDiva007

[dinar_stud]

You are completely delusional

if you think this odummer care is a good thing.

Even the democrats are trying to distance themselves from it.

People are losing their own insurance by the thousands.

Its going to collapse under its own weight.

Then your little kenyan buddie is going to look like the fool he is.  

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Thats your problem dog53, you jumped the gun. In no place did I make a claim that Obamacare is a good thing.

 

All I did was correct a veteran, based on the Tricare mention, because he does not have to enroll in Obamacare and neither do veterans that have a primary care doctor @ VAH systems. Then I corrected another user who insisted on using Fox News as a reliable news source when Fox News is not a reliable news source and studies have proven that those who watch Fox news are less informed then those that do not watch newsand a 2004 lawsuit on behalf of Fox News said they could lie if they wanted to.

 

Now lets get to jonjons post, he made a claim that did not hold water, He made a claim about a web site and when i did the same as him I got a totally different result and I provided proof to what I found. 

 

Its called using facts and proof to correct misconceptions and to debunk right wing lies.

 

Now prove to me I said "Obamacare was a good thing".

Dog the problem is YES it will collapse, it was made to collapse. Then they can usher in the one payor system. Then we can all just die waiting for treatment. (my best friend lives in BC,Canada she has been waiting for 18 mths to have some tests done and see a doctor)

 

Stud... I am a HEALTH INSURANCE AGENT so nobody know better than I do. Let me make this simple for you if you make 40k/yr or above you get NO help with your health insurance, no tax subsidies. The premiums are double or triple what they are now. A 55 yr old pays 250/mth now it is $500/mth  

 

The healthy, middle class is getting the royal screw!!! This plan is good for the poor and people with pre-exsisting but the people in the middle can not afford it!. Can you imagine if you didn't even already have health insurance taking on a $500/mth bill. Geez that's a car payment!!

 

I saw who started that bogus claim. Ann Coulter is like Alex Jones she lives from BS to BS the more she can make up the better she gets paid. 

[DinarDiva007]

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Thats your problem dog53, you jumped the gun. In no place did I make a claim that Obamacare is a good thing.

 

All I did was correct a veteran, based on the Tricare mention, because he does not have to enroll in Obamacare and neither do veterans that have a primary care doctor @ VAH systems. Then I corrected another user who insisted on using Fox News as a reliable news source when Fox News is not a reliable news source and studies have proven that those who watch Fox news are less informed then those that do not watch newsand a 2004 lawsuit on behalf of Fox News said they could lie if they wanted to.

 

Now lets get to jonjons post, he made a claim that did not hold water, He made a claim about a web site and when i did the same as him I got a totally different result and I provided proof to what I found. 

 

Its called using facts and proof to correct misconceptions and to debunk right wing lies.

 

Now prove to me I said "Obamacare was a good thing".

 

I saw who started that bogus claim. Ann Coulter is like Alex Jones she lives from BS to BS the more she can make up the better she gets paid. 

 

 

What are you talking about? What bogus claim? I am saying FACT from my many health insurance companies and what Obummer care costs .  That is from nobody that is me alone and from quotes I have researched.

 

BTW nobody HAS to use Obama care  you can still have private insurance (if you can afford it)

[dog53]

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Thats your problem dog53, you jumped the gun. In no place did I make a claim that Obamacare is a good thing.

 

All I did was correct a veteran, based on the Tricare mention, because he does not have to enroll in Obamacare and neither do veterans that have a primary care doctor @ VAH systems. Then I corrected another user who insisted on using Fox News as a reliable news source when Fox News is not a reliable news source and studies have proven that those who watch Fox news are less informed then those that do not watch newsand a 2004 lawsuit on behalf of Fox News said they could lie if they wanted to.

 

Now lets get to jonjons post, he made a claim that did not hold water, He made a claim about a web site and when i did the same as him I got a totally different result and I provided proof to what I found. 

 

Its called using facts and proof to correct misconceptions and to debunk right wing lies.

 

Now prove to me I said "Obamacare was a good thing".

 

I saw who started that bogus claim. Ann Coulter is like Alex Jones she lives from BS to BS the more she can make up the better she gets paid. 

 

Nope I didnt jump the gun stud.

Your double talking just like every other liberal I have ever known. Because you did not come right out and say " Obamacare is a good thing" 

That excuse`s the fact that you did not have one bad thing to say about it..

Same ole word games that got us where were at today stud.

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[Shabibilicious]

609 bucks a month......I hope I never have to get it.  

 

GO RV, then BV

[desimo]

Lets look at this situation.  Because of the 'criteria' by which insurance companies must now have there are thousands being dropped by their insurance companies and now without ANY insurance.  What are they going to do?  They will become another enrollee onto a State or Federal health program or being without insurance until this thing becomes available.  This now creates a medical nightmare.  Secondly, if the 'fee' is a tax then, yes, you can and will be taxed for not having insurance even though their is no federal program right now since the snafu.  This will create a tax nightmare.  Obama has just created chaos.  Any community planner knows that there needs to be some form of chaos in order for there to be change.  It all depends upon which change Obama is wanting.  If there is no chaos then there will remain the status quo.  Chaos is essential for there to be a different status quo.  Just what is Obama's new status quo?

[Indraman]

I am honestly trying to understand your point of view.

But the message that is being sent is a little confusing to me.

 

On one hand you are saying that the insurance costs are too high for people to afford - and that is unfair.

 

But then on the other hand you seem to be saying that people shouldn't expect the government to provide healthcare for them.

 

I'm really not trying to be snarky here, but I'm really not sure what you are arguing for.

 

Are you trying to say that there should be no government subsidies with regard to health care, and everybody should just have to pay whatever the insurance companies say they should?

 

Also, how do you differentiate between what the government should and should not provide?

 

Should the government also not provide a police force to maintain order, or an education system to educate our children, or a fire department to put out fires, or a road network?  Should all roads be privately operated toll roads?

 

This is where the big divide is.  There are some people who are of the opinion that as a developed society, health care falls under the same category as police forces, fire departments etc.  That is, for the betterment of society as a whole, all members of society should have access to either free, or at least affordable healthcare.

 

Some people don't believe that healthcare should be provided, or that if some people fall into the category of not having access to afforadble healthcare that just seems to be too bad for them.

 

I don't think that the two sides will ever agree.

 

Maybe we could start from the beginning and ask if you believe that the healthcare system in the United States needs to be changed, or if you believe that the cost and accessibility of the healthcare system works just fine?

 

If you do think it needs to be changed, why and what changes would you make?

The problem with Liberal ideology is that it always seems to ignore the Constitution. For example, your question about what authority the GOV should have, I will clarify my response by defining what authority the Fed GOV should be "limited" to have. The main purpose of the Constitution is to specifically enumerate the rights of the citizens (because our founders believed that our rights came from God, not from the GOV), and to list the authority and boundaries of the Fed GOV. All other items default to the states. If we follow the definition of the Constitution on a strict interpretation, Health Care would not fall under the responsibility of the Fed, but would fall under the states. This is why Romney Care should be allowed (although I think the law is inherently flawed) and Obama Care is unconstitutional. The problem is that today, most low-information voters don't give a rat's @r$$ about the Constitution and how it should be interpreted. Instead, people are living in their Utopian parallel universe thinking only about themselves and not the Country.

Indy

[Indraman]

Anyone that will trade freedom for security deserve neither. Anyone that will trade liberty for healthcare deserve neither.

 

This law will destroy the healthcare industry in this country.  

 

This law is nothing more than a share the wealth piece of legislation to promote the Marxist system that he vowed prior to taking office.  

 

The government needs to be taken out of the educational business.

 

The socialist educators need to be taken out of the universities.

 

We do not have "Free Thinking" "Socialist Educators" we have a process of indoctrination set up.

 

Our government needs to get out of the grandiose promises business and limit it spending.  (7 trillion dollars in the past 5 years)   

 

Capitalism is the only system in history that has ever allowed men to be free.  Socialism and Communism always lead to servitude.

Very well stated!

Indy

[MillieChatham]

We met with our health insurance agent. Both retired we were surprised to learn that our monthly premium will go up $12.40 each.

In 1966 I left my job to have a second child. I had excellent health benefits from the job and transferred them to private pay. The agent came, we filled out the forms and off he went. About four months later I became pregnant. Then I discovered that the agent had carefully excluded maternity benefits. Boy was I mad. We paid for the child...normal birth, three days in hospital. Total cost was

$1,200 for everything! (Now, how much would it be today??? $10,000? $15,000?

I canceled that insurance policy and for the next 16 years we had no health coverage. I was outraged at the insurance industry. In those 16 years we spent $800 on health care and I started becoming really serious about prevention. Still am. It works but it requires diligence

And self discipline. I do not worship at the feet of the "Doctor is all knowing God "

Also rather outraged at the entire health care industry that is out of control. It is not health cafe. It is ILL care. It is all about treatment

And little if anything about prevention and personal choice. EACH of us is personally responsible for learning about and making

Choices that determine our present and future health. It is perfectly obvious that our entire health industry needs to be overhauled

When the statistics indicate that the Health Care industry kills more people that die in auto accidents each year with properly prescribed medications and health care errors it is time for all us to wake up and demand reform of the whole bloody mess.

[jonjon]