Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrong

[yota691]

Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrong Top climate scientists have admitted that their global warming forecasts are wrong and world is not heating at the rate they claimed it was in a key report.

The IPCC maintain that they are 95 per cent certain that global warming is caused by humans Photo: Reuters

 

By Hayley Dixon

3:45PM BST 15 Sep 2013

 

A leaked draft of a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is understood to concede that the computer predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.

The report, to be published later this month, is a six year assessment which is seen as the gospel of climate science and is cited to justify fuel taxes and subsidies for renewable energy.

The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

Other admission in the latest document include that forecast computers may not have taken enough notice of natural variability in the climate, therefore exaggerating the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures.

The governments which fund the IPCC have tabled 1,800 questions in relation to the report.

 

One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

The 2013 report states: “'Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations ...

“There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.'

The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history.

One of the report's authors, Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University's Climate Research Network, has said that people should not look to the IPCC for a “bible” on climate change.

Professor Allen, who admits “we need to look very carefully about what the IPCC does in future”, said that he could not comment on the report as it was still considered to be in its draft stages.

However, he added: “It is a complete fantasy to think that you can compile an infallible or approximately infallible report, that is just not how science works.

“It is not a bible, it is a scientific review, an assessment of the literature. Frankly both sides are seriously confused on how science works - the critics of the IPCC and the environmentalists who credit the IPCC as if it is the gospel."

Scientist were constantly revising their research to account for new data, he said.

Despite the uncertainties and contradictions, the IPCC insists that it is more confident than ever – 95 per cent certain - that global warming is mainly human’s fault.

Next week 40 of the 250 authors who contributed to the report and representatives of most of the 195 governments that fund the IPCC will hold a meeting in Stockholm to discuss the finding to discuss any issues ahead of the publication. The body has insisted that this is not a crisis meeting but a pre-planned discussion.

 

[Maja1962]

So in other words, climate is cyclical... who would have guessed?!? 

 

They claim the earth is 4.5 billion years old... we have data collected over the last 100-150 years and we think we understand that humans are responsible for the warming of the earth.

 

Can you imagine these alarmist 8-10,000 years ago when the Ice Age ended?  "Oh no, the planet cannot survive unless it is 70% covered by ice!" 

 

Thanks, Yota!

 

GO RV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaduku]

REALLY! Do tell this to braindead Gore and all of his corrupted CLOWNS.

 

 

 

"GOD BLESS AMERICA"!

[magawatt]

I followed the link to the Daily Mail. Didn't find the article cited, but did find an article about deviations in local climates in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2418469/UK-weather-South-really-IS-hotter-North-summer-least.html

And yes, God Bless America.

[captl1]

Their wrong...Imagine that! lol

[hame55]

 

Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrong Top climate scientists have admitted that their global warming forecasts are wrong and world is not heating at the rate they claimed it was in a key report.

The IPCC maintain that they are 95 per cent certain that global warming is caused by humans Photo: Reuters

 

By Hayley Dixon

3:45PM BST 15 Sep 2013

 

A leaked draft of a report by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is understood to concede that the computer predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.

The report, to be published later this month, is a six year assessment which is seen as the gospel of climate science and is cited to justify fuel taxes and subsidies for renewable energy.

The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

Other admission in the latest document include that forecast computers may not have taken enough notice of natural variability in the climate, therefore exaggerating the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures.

The governments which fund the IPCC have tabled 1,800 questions in relation to the report.

 

One of the central issues is believed to be why the IPCC failed to account for the “pause” in global warming, which they admit that they did not predict in their computer models. Since 1997, world average temperatures have not shown any statistically significant increase.

The summary also shows that scientist have now discovered that between 950 and 1250 AD, before the Industrial Revolution, parts of the world were as warm for decades at a time as they are now.

Despite a 2012 draft stating that the world is at it’s warmest for 1,300 years, the latest document states: “'Surface temperature reconstructions show multi-decadal intervals during the Medieval Climate Anomaly (950-1250) that were in some regions as warm as in the late 20th Century.”

The 2007 report included predictions of a decline in Antarctic sea ice, but the latest document does not explain why this year it is at a record high.

The 2013 report states: “'Most models simulate a small decreasing trend in Antarctic sea ice extent, in contrast to the small increasing trend in observations ...

“There is low confidence in the scientific understanding of the small observed increase in Antarctic sea ice extent.'

The 2007 forecast for more intense hurricanes has also been ignored in the new document after this year was one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history.

One of the report's authors, Professor Myles Allen, the director of Oxford University's Climate Research Network, has said that people should not look to the IPCC for a “bible” on climate change.

Professor Allen, who admits “we need to look very carefully about what the IPCC does in future”, said that he could not comment on the report as it was still considered to be in its draft stages.

However, he added: “It is a complete fantasy to think that you can compile an infallible or approximately infallible report, that is just not how science works.

“It is not a bible, it is a scientific review, an assessment of the literature. Frankly both sides are seriously confused on how science works - the critics of the IPCC and the environmentalists who credit the IPCC as if it is the gospel."

Scientist were constantly revising their research to account for new data, he said.

Despite the uncertainties and contradictions, the IPCC insists that it is more confident than ever – 95 per cent certain - that global warming is mainly human’s fault.

Next week 40 of the 250 authors who contributed to the report and representatives of most of the 195 governments that fund the IPCC will hold a meeting in Stockholm to discuss the finding to discuss any issues ahead of the publication. The body has insisted that this is not a crisis meeting but a pre-planned discussion.

 

First of all it is heating....

Secondly if it's heating, catastrophe is coming a bit later than we thought and we still need to do something (duh)

Thirdly, there are "scientostitutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings that please Big Oil.

Fourth, the pollution that causes climate change still enters the lungs of your children...

 

You guys just lap up this nonsense like puppies...LOL

[zul]

A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.

 

 

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year. More than 20 yachts that had planned to sail it have been left ice-bound and a cruise ship attempting the route was forced to turn back.

Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century – a process that would expose computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming as dangerously misleading.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

[Shabibilicious]

Funny how during any trial.......the defense and prosecution both provide expert witnesses.......who can't agree on a damn thing.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[Nelg]

Sorry, but SCIENCE CAN NOT BE WRONG!  Until you talk to another scientist who holds different data.       

[hame55]

Sorry, but SCIENCE CAN NOT BE WRONG!  Until you talk to another scientist who holds different data.       

What does the Bible say about climate change? 

Must be a proverb about how we have nothing to do with it...

[WoodChopper]

First of all it is heating....

We already know this, the sun has been heating the earth for billions of years

 

 

 

Secondly if it's heating, catastrophe is coming a bit later than we thought and we still need to do something (duh)                                                                                                           

Can't do much about the sun heating the earth

 

Thirdly, there are "scientostitutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings that please Big Oil.

 

 

There are also "scientositutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings (Gotta keep those grants & the funding coming in some how) that please Big Goverment, UN, Al Gore, etc. in order to confiscate wealth through taxes in an attempt to redistribute that wealth in the name of carbon footprints.

 

 

Fourth, the pollution that causes climate change still enters the lungs of your children...

 

Mostly it enters the lungs of children in China and India where there is no regulation if you want to compare to the United States, where they caps and restrictions have reduced pollution to 1992 levels.

 

You guys just lap up this nonsense like puppies...LOL

 

You guys on your side just lap up your propaganda like puppies...LOL

 

 

Hame, you always claim that you do not get personal about these things, but your last statement made me want to reply.

 

Have a good day,

 

WoodChopper

[zzztop]

First of all it is heating....

Secondly if it's heating, catastrophe is coming a bit later than we thought and we still need to do something (duh)

Thirdly, there are "scientostitutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings that please Big Oil.

Fourth, the pollution that causes climate change still enters the lungs of your children...

 

You guys just lap up this nonsense like puppies...LOL

Is it possible for you to stop lying?  I've only been here a few days and everytime I read a post from you it's either an outright lie or a personal attack. 

[Maggie123]

Is it possible for you to stop lying?  I've only been here a few days and everytime I read a post from you it's either an outright lie or a personal attack. 

 

You are right about only being here for a few days... going to your page and looking at your post shows exactly what you do.

 

Very Strange.

[Gullywumper]

I sure wished that these scientist would move to South Texas

I have'nt seen a freeze in 10 years.Last year it got to 34 degrees

for 2 days then it went back to the 80's and on Christmas day it was 91 degrees

When I was a kid it was very cold for at least 2 months not anymore.

Only the old like myself will know for sure global warming is happening and it is happening

If global warming is not happening then why have more than 200 miles of polar icecaps melted away?

both ends artic and antartic thats alot of water to just disappear.And what is really bad is that

ice isnt coming back.I can tell that most of you dont watch the discovery channel.

right now in Corpus Christi,Texas 101 degrees middle of september and it will be this way

until december no global warming my arse!And human and animals are to blame

its called methanol gas or methane human and animal waste causes it.

They used to say airesol sprays caused it but that was bebunked.

But a even worst culprit is doing it now humans covering the earth with concrete and asphalt

the poor ole earth cant disapate its heat and that causes the icecaps to melt faster think about it.

The volcano's will let us know when we have covered to much of the earth.One way or another

the earth will cool itself but by that time we might be gone.If we covered the earth completely in

concrete we just made the biggest M-80 ever made and the fuse is already inside.

For those who dont think there is global warming in 10 years from now tell me I was wrong.

Just one degree hotter makes a huge differance.For those who know me I dont read fiction

I refuse to I only want the facts.Thats why I am a geek.

Do a little research on global warming and you'll see for yourself just as I did.

If I covered you in concrete could you breath?Well neither can our earth.

[Rayzur]

Is it possible for you to stop lying?  I've only been here a few days and everytime I read a post from you it's either an outright lie or a personal attack. 

 

Never thought to check someone's page.... weighing in kind of early for a 'newbie ' making statements about "every time" aren't ya.... No need to jump into the oppositional fray right away... sit back, have a cigar, relax, and consider spending time on presenting a viable argument. It would be such a shame to see yet one more soul wasted  by going right for the throat of the poster, before at least commenting on the topic (however great or small the point of debate)....

And true, this is not the best example of folks debating without personal attack... there are some pretty shoddy barbs thrown out there guys... And while you at least do present an opposing opinion about the opinion... maybe you could ratchet down the personal attacks lest our newer folk think that attacking a poster is all that's required or represents some actual form of debate???

Welcome newbie.... hope you have a wonderfully productive time here, with lots of learning with some really great people...

[zzztop]

You are right about only being here for a few days... going to your page and looking at your post shows exactly what you do.

 

Very Strange.

Another attack from a libtard.  Imagine that.

Never thought to check someone's page.... weighing in kind of early for a 'newbie ' making statements about "every time" aren't ya.... No need to jump into the oppositional fray right away... sit back, have a cigar, relax, and consider spending time on presenting a viable argument. It would be such a shame to see yet one more soul wasted  by going right for the throat of the poster, before at least commenting on the topic (however great or small the point of debate)....

And true, this is not the best example of folks debating without personal attack... there are some pretty shoddy barbs thrown out there guys... And while you at least do present an opposing opinion about the opinion... maybe you could ratchet down the personal attacks lest our newer folk think that attacking a poster is all that's required or represents some actual form of debate???

Welcome newbie.... hope you have a wonderfully productive time here, with lots of learning with some really great people...

This has to be the shortest post you've ever written.  Thanks for sparing us.

[tigerstripes]

First of all it is heating....

We already know this, the sun has been heating the earth for billions of years

 

By that logic, previous ice ages should never have happened.

 

 

 

Secondly if it's heating, catastrophe is coming a bit later than we thought and we still need to do something (duh)                                                                                                           

Can't do much about the sun heating the earth

 

See response to point 1.

And then please provide your evidence that the current long term warning trend is solely caused by solar activity.

 

Thirdly, there are "scientostitutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings that please Big Oil.

 

 

There are also "scientositutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings (Gotta keep those grants & the funding coming in some how) that please Big Goverment, UN, Al Gore, etc. in order to confiscate wealth through taxes in an attempt to redistribute that wealth in the name of carbon footprints.

 

Where there's money to be made, people will make money.

Would you feel better if they were called pollution trading schemes?

 

 

Fourth, the pollution that causes climate change still enters the lungs of your children...

 

Mostly it enters the lungs of children in China and India where there is no regulation if you want to compare to the United States, where they caps and restrictions have reduced pollution to 1992 levels.

 

Two things going on here:

1.  By that logic we can assume that children in China and India are unimportant.

2.  That logic would be fine if the Earth's atmosphere, and everything in that atmosphere, wasn't well, the entire Earth's atmosphere.

 

You guys just lap up this nonsense like puppies...LOL

 

You guys on your side just lap up your propaganda like puppies...LOL

 

Sadly, many people don't like to read and will "lap up" whatever propaganda suits their belief.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/161089-top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong/#ixzz2fEJY1smt

 

Is it possible for you to stop lying?  I've only been here a few days and everytime I read a post from you it's either an outright lie or a personal attack. 

 

Is it possible for you to point out the outright lies in the post?  Be specific now.....

 

Another attack from a libtard.  Imagine that.

This has to be the shortest post you've ever written.  Thanks for sparing us.

 

So, do you actually have a response to the topic, or are you just going to stand on the sidelines and sling crap?

[DinarMillionaire]

So, do you actually have a response to the topic, or are you just going to stand on the sidelines and sling crap?

Afraid of the competition? That's all you're doing.

[tigerstripes]

Afraid of the competition? That's all you're doing.

 

??????????????????

 

Those are question marks.  They are used at the end of sentences where questions are asked.

 

Should I highlight the questions I posed in my post above which are related to the topic?

 

If I were to do that, would you be prepared to have a go at formulating a response to the questions?

[Shabibilicious]

Another attack from a libtard.  Imagine that.

This has to be the shortest post you've ever written.  Thanks for sparing us.

 

Just wanted to say Hello and welcome to DV, zzztop...........while you're still here.    

 

GO RV, then BV

[WoodChopper]

Tigerstripes, in reply to your questions, providing a link that may answer the questions you posed to me, kinda long but has a lot of information.

 

Did not intend to get personal with anyone on this issue, but do get tired of the persons that want to make you feel as though your foolish, have your head in the sand etc. if your not in lock step with all their beliefs on this issue being discussed, like Al Gore saying "the debate is over, there is no debate".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           On that note you did have to get personal on the pollution issue, basically stating I don't care about children in India or China because they are "unimportant" I take offense to that statement, you took that totally out of context as I was trying to make a statement on the difference in regulation between China, India and the United States.

 

Who in there right mind would not want a cleaner planet!  I'm all for that, but that does not mean I need to believe in the man made global warming hoax.

 

I'm against the powers that be who want nothing more than to bring the USA to her knees with treatys and regulations all pushed forth in our face with this global warming nonsense in order take wealth away from us and redistribute it as they see fit!

 

Redifining the way we use energy through solar, wind, hydro is all a good thing and I'm behind all of that, but people need to look at things realisticly, you can't just turn to all these types of energy sources on a dime, it would take decades if not 50-100 years to make any significant turnover from fossil fuels, look at all the great things that have happened since the Industrial age, medicines, technology and a lot longer life spans! 

 

 I happen to believe that for billions of years our earth, sun and our solar system have more to do with the changes this planet goes through and supersedes anything man has done in an infintesimal amount of time we have lived on this planet.

 

http://www.timeline2012.net/prepare/possible-earth-events/sun-a-heat

 

Thanks for hearing me out tigerstripes   

 

WoodChopper

[Maggie123]

Is it possible for you to stop lying?  I've only been here a few days and everytime I read a post from you it's either an outright lie or a personal attack. 

 

 

Another attack from a libtard.  Imagine that.

This has to be the shortest post you've ever written.  Thanks for sparing us.

 

I appeciate that at least you have the decency to post your fury standing on your own two feet and name.

[tigerstripes]

Tigerstripes, in reply to your questions, providing a link that may answer the questions you posed to me, kinda long but has a lot of information.

 

Did not intend to get personal with anyone on this issue, but do get tired of the persons that want to make you feel as though your foolish, have your head in the sand etc. if your not in lock step with all their beliefs on this issue being discussed, like Al Gore saying "the debate is over, there is no debate".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           On that note you did have to get personal on the pollution issue, basically stating I don't care about children in India or China because they are "unimportant" I take offense to that statement, you took that totally out of context as I was trying to make a statement on the difference in regulation between China, India and the United States.

 

Words have meanings.  We really need to be careful how we use them.

I personally didn't think that is what you meant.............but it certainly did "read" that way.

 

Who in there right mind would not want a cleaner planet!  I'm all for that, but that does not mean I need to believe in the man made global warming hoax.

Do you agree that there are long term warming trends?

If you do agree that there are long term warming trends, have you done any research into the current rate of warming?

If you are interested in doing the research,  I suggest starting here here here here and here.

 

I'm against the powers that be who want nothing more than to bring the USA to her knees with treatys and regulations all pushed forth in our face with this global warming nonsense in order take wealth away from us and redistribute it as they see fit!

 

That is your conspiracy theory to prove.

 

Redifining the way we use energy through solar, wind, hydro is all a good thing and I'm behind all of that, but people need to look at things realisticly, you can't just turn to all these types of energy sources on a dime, it would take decades if not 50-100 years to make any significant turnover from fossil fuels, look at all the great things that have happened since the Industrial age, medicines, technology and a lot longer life spans! 

 

Have you taken into consideration the cost on inaction?

This is just one potential example

 

 I happen to believe that for billions of years our earth, sun and our solar system have more to do with the changes this planet goes through and supersedes anything man has done in an infintesimal amount of time we have lived on this planet.

 

I don't believe that anybody has argued that CO2 emissions are the sole factor in global warming.  At the present time however, they are a primary driving factor.

The evidence for this is really pretty well beyond debate.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.timeline2012.net/prepare/possible-earth-events/sun-a-heat

 

Thanks for hearing me out tigerstripes   

 

Thank you for your reasoned response.

 

WoodChopper

[DinarMillionaire]

First of all it is heating....

Secondly if it's heating, catastrophe is coming a bit later than we thought and we still need to do something (duh)

Thirdly, there are "scientostitutes" - scientists paid off to publish findings that please Big Oil.

Fourth, the pollution that causes climate change still enters the lungs of your children...

You guys just lap up this nonsense like puppies...LOL

Another major issue in America is teacher talent. Places like Singapore and Finland only select teachers from the top 10% of college grads, while increasingly, our teachers are drawn from the bottom 1/3 and you have proven these facts over and over with each of your post, Teacher.

??????????????????

Those are question marks. They are used at the end of sentences where questions are asked.

Should I highlight the questions I posed in my post above which are related to the topic?

If I were to do that, would you be prepared to have a go at formulating a response to the questions?

You have about 9 sentences in your infantile diatribe of which you state are questions? In case you can't count either, I'll do it for you. You only have 3 questions, that's 3 ??? marks out of 9. That should help you to highlight all 3 "???" if you wish. But don't expect an adult response until you grow up.

[magawatt]

Lots of varying views on this topic.It seems we that could argue about this forever.

 

Unfortunately the question answered within our children's generation.