Images of Death in Syria, but No Proof of Chemical Attack

[TPSprayduster]

Tamiflyer, have to remember that have some people who visit this forum won't believe anything you say.  I guess if they were part of the fact finding mission and they were among those who were attacked.  With the shortness of breath, burning eyes and convulsions they will still say it never happened.  Just have to provide information for those who thank you for the information provided.

Edited August 25, 2013 by TPSprayduster

[WoodChopper]

RED LINE  =  FAILED LEADERSHIP = NO RESPECT

 

 

 

WoodChopper

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Tamiflyer, have to remember that have some people who visit this forum won't believe anything you say.  I guess if they were part of the fact finding mission and they were among those who were attacked.  With the shortness of breath, burning eyes and convulsions they will still say it never happened.  Just have to provide information for those who thank you for the information provided.

I'm not saying it never happened. I'm saying that there is growing evidence

It was your "courageous" flesh eating terrorist who did it. Even Russia says

They have proof it was them. And if you're willing to look at something other

Than liberal demonic propaganda websites you will find that there is growing

Evidence that Obummer, the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist supporter, may have

Supplied these weapons via Bengazi.

Strange how stupid liberals think. They screamed bloody murder at GW for going to war

After those"courageous"flesh eating terrorists that killed THOUSANDS of Americans.

Yet insinuate that those very terrorist are now courageous freedom fighters so that Obummer

May obey the PTB and start his own war with Syria. All the while our VERY BRAVE AND TRULY

COURAGEOUS men and women in uniform will die. And for what? So that stupid

People can keep their right to be so. LIBERALS! !!!

When we all get to judgement day there are going to be so very many people in

TOTAL SHOCK at what they really supported. Only Jesus Christ can give you the

Insight to truly see what's going on.

[rightsonword]

I'm not saying it never happened. I'm saying that there is growing evidence

It was your "courageous" flesh eating terrorist who did it. Even Russia says

They have proof it was them. And if you're willing to look at something other

Than liberal demonic propaganda websites you will find that there is growing

Evidence that Obummer, the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist supporter, may have

Supplied these weapons via Bengazi.

Strange how stupid liberals think. They screamed bloody murder at GW for going to war

After those"courageous"flesh eating terrorists that killed THOUSANDS of Americans.

Yet insinuate that those very terrorist are now courageous freedom fighters so that Obummer

May obey the PTB and start his own war with Syria. All the while our VERY BRAVE AND TRULY

COURAGEOUS men and women in uniform will die. And for what? So that stupid

People can keep their right to be so. LIBERALS! !!!

When we all get to judgement day there are going to be so very many people in

TOTAL SHOCK at what they really supported. Only Jesus Christ can give you the

Insight to truly see what's going on.

Pretty sure Romney wanted to give bigger weapons to the rebels than Obama has.

This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing . . . they're both in on it.

[Maggie123]

Pretty sure Romney wanted to give bigger weapons to the rebels than Obama has.

This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing . . . they're both in on it.

 

Funny I was just saying that on a different thread...

 

BTW Tamiflyer I have been meaning to bring this to this thread also... I would like you to see this and then maybe you would see where I am coming from... you seem very reasonable and I appreciated your posts yesterday... I know your sincerity in wanting this to get stopped. I hope this helps in your quest for truth.

 

Quote from another thread:

 

This is not just a "Progressive" agenda... it has been going on for along time.

 

We need to come together on this... pointing fingers at each other sure isn't going to help.

 

 

Sleeping With the Devil: How U.S. and Saudi Backing of Al Qaeda Led to 9/11

Posted on September 5, 2012 by WashingtonsBlog

 

Front row, from left: Major Gen. Hamid Gul, director general of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Willian Webster; Deputy Director for Operations Clair George; an ISI colonel; and senior CIA official, Milt Bearden at a Mujahideen training camp in North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan in 1987. (source RAWA)

Ronald Reagan meets Afghan Mujahideen Commanders at the White House in 1985 (Reagan Archives)

Preface:   The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom - noted:

 

Odom also said:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

(audio here).  Background here.

 

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.

 

This essay does not address any “inside job” theories for 9/11 or other terrorist attacks on America.  Instead, it focuses on the well-documented fact that the virtually continuous U.S. backing of Al Qaeda terrorists since the late 1970s has led to blowback which has come back to bite us numerous times.

We Created Al Qaeda to Fight the Soviets in Afghanistan

 

Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted on CNN that the U.S. organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of “Al Qaeda” in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.

 

Brzezinski told Al Qaeda’s forefathers – the Mujahadin:

 

We know of their deep belief in god – that they’re confident that their struggle will succeed. That land over – there is yours – and you’ll go back to it some day, because your fight will prevail, and you’ll have your homes, your mosques, back again, because your cause is right, and god is on your side.

CIA director and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates confirmed in his memoir that the U.S. backed the Mujahadin in the 1970s.

 

Secretary of State Hillarious Clinton reported in 1998:

 

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar – the MAK – which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.

 

What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation.

***

The CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan … found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to “read” than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the “reliable” partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow.

***

To this day, those involved in the decision to give the Afghan rebels access to a fortune in covert funding and top-level combat weaponry continue to defend that move in the context of the Cold War. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a senior Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee making those decisions, told my colleague Robert Windrem that he would make the same call again today even knowing what bin Laden would do subsequently.

“It was worth it,”

he said.

 

“Those were very important, pivotal matters that played an important role in the downfall of the Soviet Union,” he said...

 

 

 

http://www.washingto...led-to-911.html

 

 

There is a lot more there to read if you want to know more.

 

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/user/36321-maggie123/#ixzz2d0O0j3uf

[MyLadiesDaddy]

Ritsonword and Maggie, this is not a left right situation, its a point I was trying to make. My only caviot was that those

 

rebels are terrorists. That our government is instigating a situation in Syria seems clearly obvious and I don't believe

 

it really matters whose in charge anymore. Our social political views maybe different but also its clear that our

 

government could care less about either one of us. Our government has its own agenda and it seems their only

 

concern for us, is divisive politics designed to start a war here between liberals and conservatives. And I refuse to

 

go there. You, Tammi and others are like me, Americans first and it is becoming more evident with each passing week

 

that the real enemy is oppressive government. Any entity that can use, allow to be used or advocates the use of

 

chemical weapons or any and all weapons of mass destruction, is in my opinion psychotic and pure evil. Such an

 

entity must be removed from the face of this planet or we are all together doomed. 

Edited August 25, 2013 by ladyGrace'sDaddy

[Maggie123]

 

" liberal demonic propaganda websites " ...

 

"Strange how stupid liberals think. They screamed bloody murder at GW for going to war"...

 

"People can keep their right to be so. LIBERALS! !!!"...

 

.

 

I have nothing against you LGD... This is just an example of a lot of this kind of talk that is dividing our country.

 

Sorry to have pointed it out in your post but we really do need to all come together... it's important.

 

I apologize if I offended you... I also think you have a pretty good idea of what is going on.

 

It just distracts from the whole truth when it is only blamed on the "Liberals".

 

Peace

[MyLadiesDaddy]

I have nothing against you LGD... This is just an example of a lot of this kind of talk that is dividing our country. Sorry to have pointed it out in your post but we really do need to all come together... it's important. I apologize if I offended you... I also think you have a pretty good idea of what is going on. It just distracts from the whole truth when it is only blamed on the "Liberals". Peace

And you would be right. My bad. Sometimes old thought

Process are hard to break, but I do totally agree with your

Premises here. I want all of us Americans to unite and stand

Against this coming evil.

[Maggie123]

And you would be right. My bad. Sometimes old thought

Process are hard to break, but I do totally agree with your

Premises here. I want all of us Americans to unite and stand

Against this coming evil.

 

Thank You LGD. I believe you do want that premise.

 

Much Appreciated...

[flatdawg]

Experts Doubt Syrian Chemical Weapons Claims

Posted on August 24, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

Preliminary Evidence Indicates that the Syrian Government Did NOT Launch a Chemical Weapon Attack Against Its People

CBS News reports that the U.S. is finalizing plans for war against Syria – and positioning ships to launch cruise missiles against the Syrian government – based on the claim that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people.

The last time the U.S. blamed the Syrian government for a chemical weapons attack, that claim was was debunked.

But is the claim that the Syrian government used chemical weapons against its people true this time?

It’s not surprising that Syria’s close ally – Russia – is expressing doubt. Agence France-Presse (AFP) notes:

Russia, which has previously said it has proof of chemical weapons use by the rebels, expressed deep scepticism about the opposition’s claims.

The foreign ministry said the timing of the allegations as UN inspectors began their work “makes us think that we are once again dealing with a premeditated provocation.”

But Russia isn’t the only doubter.

AFP reports:

“At the moment, I am not totally convinced because the people that are helping them are without any protective clothing and without any respirators,” said Paula Vanninen, director of Verifin, the Finnish Institute for Verification of the Chemical Weapons Convention.

“In a real case, they would also be contaminated and would also be having symptoms.”

John Hart, head of the Chemical and Biological Security Project at Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said he had not seen the telltale evidence in the eyes of the victims that would be compelling evidence of chemical weapons use.

“Of the videos that I’ve seen for the last few hours, none of them show pinpoint pupils… this would indicate exposure to organophosphorus nerve agents,” he said.

Gwyn Winfield, editor of CBRNe World magazine, which specialises in chemical weapons issues, said the evidence did not suggest that the chemicals used were of the weapons-grade that the Syrian army possesses in its stockpiles.

“We’re not seeing reports that doctors and nurses… are becoming fatalities, so that would suggest that the toxicity of it isn’t what we would consider military sarin. It may well be that it is a lower-grade,” Winfield told AFP.

Haaretz reports:

Western experts on chemical warfare who have examined at least part of the footage are skeptical that weapons-grade chemical substances were used, although they all emphasize that serious conclusions cannot be reached without thorough on-site examination.

Dan Kaszeta, a former officer of the U.S. Army’s Chemical Corps and a leading private consultant, pointed out a number of details absent from the footage so far: “None of the people treating the casualties or photographing them are wearing any sort of chemical-warfare protective gear,” he says, “and despite that, none of them seem to be harmed.” This would seem to rule out most types of military-grade chemical weapons, including the vast majority of nerve gases, since these substances would not evaporate immediately, especially if they were used in sufficient quantities to kill hundreds of people, but rather leave a level of contamination on clothes and bodies which would harm anyone coming in unprotected contact with them in the hours after an attack. In addition, he says that “there are none of the other signs you would expect to see in the aftermath of a chemical attack, such as intermediate levels of casualties, severe visual problems, vomiting and loss of bowel control.”

Steve Johnson, a leading researcher on the effects of hazardous material exposure at England’s Cranfield University who has worked with Britain’s Ministry of Defense on chemical warfare issues, agrees that “from the details we have seen so far, a large number of casualties over a wide area would mean quite a pervasive dispersal. With that level of chemical agent, you would expect to see a lot of contamination on the casualties coming in, and it would affect those treating them who are not properly protected. We are not seeing that here.”

Additional questions also remain unanswered, especially regarding the timing of the attack, being that it occurred on the exact same day that a team of UN inspectors was in Damascus to investigate earlier claims of chemical weapons use. It is also unclear what tactical goal the Syrian army would have been trying to achieve, when over the last few weeks it has managed to push back the rebels who were encroaching on central areas of the capital. But if this was not a chemical weapons attack, what then caused the deaths of so many people without any external signs of trauma?

***

The Syrian rebels (and perhaps other players in the region) have a clear interest in presenting this as the largest chemical attack by the army loyal to Syrian President Bashar Assad to date, even if the cause was otherwise, especially while the UN inspectors are in the country. It is also in their interest to do so whilst U.S. President Barack Obama remains reluctant to commit any military support to the rebels, when only the crossing of a “red line” could convince him to change his policy.

The rebels and the doctors on the scene may indeed believe that chemical weapons were used, since they fear such an attack, but they may not have the necessary knowledge and means to make such a diagnosis. The European Union demanded Wednesday that the UN inspectors be granted access to the new sites of alleged chemical attacks, but since this is not within the team’s mandate, it is unlikely that the Syrian government will do so.

Stephen Johnson, an expert in weapons and chemical explosives at Cranfield Forensic Institute, said that the video footage looked suspect:

There are, within some of the videos, examples which seem a little hyper-real, and almost as if they’ve been set up. Which is not to say that they are fake but it does cause some concern. Some of the people with foaming, the foam seems to be too white, too pure, and not consistent with the sort of internal injury you might expect to see, which you’d expect to be bloodier or yellower.

Chemical and biological weapons researcher Jean Pascal Zanders said that the footage appears to show victims of asphyxiation, which is not consistent with the use of mustard gas or the nerve agents VX or sarin:

I’m deliberately not using the term chemical weapons here,” he said, adding that the use of “industrial toxicants” was a more likely explanation.

Michael Rivero asks:

1. Why would Syria’s Assad invite United Nations chemical weapons inspectors to Syria, then launch a chemical weapons attack against women and children on the very day they arrive, just miles from where they are staying?

2. If Assad were going to use chemical weapons, wouldn’t he use them against the hired mercenary army trying to oust him? What does he gain attacking women and children? Nothing! The gain is all on the side of the US Government desperate to get the war agenda going again.

As I type these words, US trained and equipped forces are already across the border into Syria, and US naval forces are sailing into position to launch a massive cruise missile attack into Syria that will surely kill more Syrians than were claimed to have died in the chemical attack.

Last time there was a chemical weapon attack in Syria, Bush administration office Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson said that he thought Israel might have given chemical weapons to the Syrian rebels to frame the government.

British MP George Galloway just floated the same theory in regards to the new chemical weapon attack.

Of course, we don’t know who carried out the attack, or what weapon was used.

But given the well-documented fact that the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for 20 years straight – and planned to use false ploys for 50 years – it is worth being skeptical until all of the evidence is in.

Indeed, many are asking whether this is Iraq War 2.0. For example, the Independent writes:

Pictures showing that the Syrian army used chemical weapons against rebel-held Eastern Ghouta just east of Damascus are … likely to be viewed sceptically because the claims so much resemble those made about Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) before the US and British invasion of Iraq in 2003.

***

Like the Iraqi opposition to Saddam, who provided most of the evidence of WMDs, the Syrian opposition has every incentive to show the Syrian government deploying chemical weapons in order to trigger foreign intervention.

***

But the obvious fact that for the Syrian government to use chemical weapons would be much against their own interests does not prove it did not happen. Governments and armies do stupid things. But it is difficult to imagine any compelling reason why they should do so since they have plenty of other means of killing people in Eastern Ghouta, such as heavy artillery or small arms, which they regularly use.

***

The evidence so far for the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian army is second-hand and comes from a biased source.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/is-u-s-launching-a-war-in-syria-to-distract-from-spying-and-other-scandals.html

Flatdawg says: Flyer, I hope this will get you thinking a bit.

[MyLadiesDaddy]

WOW that says a lot. Thanks for posting.

[TPSprayduster]

I'm not saying it never happened. I'm saying that there is growing evidence

It was your "courageous" flesh eating terrorist who did it. Even Russia says

They have proof it was them. And if you're willing to look at something other

Than liberal demonic propaganda websites you will find that there is growing

Evidence that Obummer, the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist supporter, may have

Supplied these weapons via Bengazi.

Strange how stupid liberals think. They screamed bloody murder at GW for going to war

After those"courageous"flesh eating terrorists that killed THOUSANDS of Americans.

Yet insinuate that those very terrorist are now courageous freedom fighters so that Obummer

May obey the PTB and start his own war with Syria. All the while our VERY BRAVE AND TRULY

COURAGEOUS men and women in uniform will die. And for what? So that stupid

People can keep their right to be so. LIBERALS! !!!

When we all get to judgement day there are going to be so very many people in

TOTAL SHOCK at what they really supported. Only Jesus Christ can give you the

Insight to truly see what's going on.

The Russian have proof?  The Russian are supporting President Assadd but oh well tell that to those who have died and are dying.  If you recall, that his father massacared thousands in one day to put down those wanting more rights.  But how do you say Liberals.  The normal response always politics one of the days something is going to effect those conservatives, freedom fighter or whatever those tea party folks are calling themselves.  So i guess it better to sit back and watch the show. 

[dog53]

Do I believe someone gassed those people.

Yep

Do I believe those people are dead 

Yep

Do I know who did it

Hell no

and I sure as hell am not about the trust the truth to some new agency 

These rebels have everything to gain by the world thinking  it was assad 

Sometimes when people get a glimpse of what its like to have real power they may resort to anything

Even the death of the few to save the many.

They become fanatics , Dangerous

Dog says stand down till we find out what the hells going on. 

We dont need to back the wrong horse again like we did with the Brotherhood 

[MyLadiesDaddy]

I really don't give a rats butt about Asad or his father.

I do care about the truth and the clear fact our government

In cahoots with the UN are again lying to us in order to keep us

in a state of perpetual war. Sending our boys and girls to die

So that they can create their pathetic, and demonic, one world

Government. Believe the lies if you want but please don't attempt

To blind me. Your not gonna be successful.

[TPSprayduster]

I really don't give a rats butt about Asad or his father.

I do care about the truth and the clear fact our government

In cahoots with the UN are again lying to us in order to keep us

in a state of perpetual war. Sending our boys and girls to die

So that they can create their pathetic, and demonic, one world

Government. Believe the lies if you want but please don't attempt

To blind me. Your not gonna be successful.

That's the problem their are other factors contributing to this but you refuse to see it.  So basically you are already blind no need for me to try and blind you.  You have already done that part.  If the father can get away with it, why can't the son which Russian support.  I will leave it at.

[pattyangel]

Do I believe someone gassed those people.

Yep

Do I believe those people are dead 

Yep

Do I know who did it

Hell no

and I sure as hell am not about the trust the truth to some new agency 

These rebels have everything to gain by the world thinking  it was assad 

Sometimes when people get a glimpse of what its like to have real power they may resort to anything

Even the death of the few to save the many.

They become fanatics , Dangerous

Dog says stand down till we find out what the hells going on. 

We dont need to back the wrong horse again like we did with the Brotherhood 

 

Agreed.  I hope our administration is not to quick to act on false info and emotions. We don't need another war. 

[rightsonword]

That's the problem their are other factors contributing to this but you refuse to see it.  So basically you are already blind no need for me to try and blind you.  You have already done that part.  If the father can get away with it, why can't the son which Russian support.  I will leave it at.

Man, how about the US post show facts to support their position this was Assad. Others have posted plenty of quotes from chemical weapons experts doubting the Western powers and rebels claims that it was Assad. What's the Western powers proof it was Assad? Oh wait, they haven't provided any! They've only beat their chests and screamed, "We KNOW it was Assad" without providing an iota of evidence . . . which would seem impossible considering they're not even in the country to inspect the evidence!

This is the same garbage Bush pulled off with his WMD lies. And the same people are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

 

[tamiflyer]

Kerry: U.S. will respond to ‘moral obscenity’ of Syria massacre

 

 

Secretary of State John Kerry left no doubt Monday that the United States believes Syria’s Bashar Assad used chemical weapons to slaughter civilians last week and vowed that the United States will respond to that “moral obscenity.”

“Anyone who can claim that an attack of this staggering scale could be contrived or fabricated needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass,” he said, in a barb likely meant for Syria and its patron Russia. “What is before us today is real and it is compelling.”

Kerry, speaking to reporters at the State Department, described the attack in very personal terms, describing how he had watched the “gut-wrenching” videos of the dead and dying via social media. But he gave no details about when a decision on whether to use force in response to last week’s massacre might come — or whether it would.

The secretary of state said the United States government and its allies were reviewing non-public information about the alleged attack and promised “we will provide that information in the days ahead.”

“Make no mistake, President (Barack) Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world’s most heinous weapons against the world’s most vulnerable people,” Kerry warned. “Nothing today is more serious and nothing is receiving more serious scrutiny.”

View gallery."

U.N. chemical weapons experts visit people affected by an apparent gas attack, at a hospital in the  …

The top U.S. diplomat offered no new public evidence to back up U.S. charges that the Assad regime used chemical weapons in an attack just outside Damascus that anti-Assad fighters claim might have killed more than 1,300.

Instead, he declared that shocking social media videos shared by the opposition had essentially made the world witness to the assault.

After a round of telephone diplomacy on Sunday, Kerry said, “I went back and I watched videos — videos that anybody can watch on social media — I watched them one more gut-wrenching time.”

“As a father, I can’t get the image out of my head, of a man who held up his dead child, wailing, while chaos swirled around,” he said.

“The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity,” he underlined.

 

[flatdawg]

Hey Flyer, you seem to really want the US involved in a war we have no bussiness in.

I hope you went down to the recruitment center today and signed up.

Otherwise, you're just another war monger.

[tamiflyer]

The sarin shells fired on Damascus - by Syrian 4th Division’s 155th Brigade - were followed by rockets on Israel and car bombings in Lebanon

 

 

 

Assad's chemical weapons arsenal

In the space of 48 hours, the Assad regime, Iran and Hizballah launched a three-point offensive against foreign intervention, debkafile reports. Here are some facts: The sarin nerve gas atrocity of Wednesday, Aug. 21, alleged to have claimed more than 1,000 lives, was the work of the 155th Brigade of the Syrian army’s 4th Division, headed by President Bashar Asad’s younger brother Gen. Maher Assad.

The poison gas shells were fired from the big Mount Kalmun army base south of Damascus, one of the three repositories of Syria’s chemical weapons. In response to a demand from Moscow last December, Assad collected his chemical assets in three depots. The other two are Dummar, a suburb 5 kilometers outside Damascus, and the Al-Safira air base, west of Aleppo.
Not a single shell or gram of poison gas is loaded for use at any of the three sites without an explicit directive from the president or his brother.
Therefore, the clamor raised by the US and French presidents, Western prime ministers and Russian leaders for an independent investigation to turn up evidence of the use of chemical weapons in Syria and identity of its perpetrator – the Assad regime, says the West, and a rebel provocation, according to Moscow – is nothing but playacting.  The facts are known and the evidence is present. And the price for refusing to come down to earth and putting an immediate stop to this horrifying precedent may be unimaginably grim – not just for Israel and Jordan – but for the rest of the Middle East and beyond.

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu commented Thursday, Aug. 22 that Iran is using Syria as its testing ground while closely monitoring international responses to its actions.

His remark followed the four Grad rockets fired on northern Israel the day after the chemical attack in East Damascus. His words were scarcely noticed, mainly because Israel’s own spokesmen were busy spreading a blanket of disinformation over the attack, attributing it vaguely to “Global Jihad” (whatever that is).
debkafile’s military sources affirm that, just as the Assad brothers orchestrated the chemical shell attack on Syrian civilians, so too did Hizballah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah set in motion the rocket attack on Israel.

By good fortune, the two which exploded in built-up areas caused damage but no casualties and a third was intercepted by Iron Dome.

Nasrallah had his disposal two Palestinian terrorist groups functioning in Lebanon and Syria under direct Iranian command. They are the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestinian – General Command (PFLP-GC) and Jihad Islami – both of them eager to attack Israel.
Then, on Friday night, two car bombs blew up outside Sunni mosques in the northern Lebanese town of Tripoli, killing 42 people and injuring 500.
The triple coordinated outrages added up to a dire warning from Tehran and Damascus about what they have in store for the region, and especially Syria’s neighbors, as payback for foreign intervention in the Syrian civil war.
On the subject of intervention, the French daily Le Figaro took the liberty last Thursday, Aug. 23, of lifting wholesale and publishing without credit the exclusive report carried Wednesday, Aug. 21, by debkafile. We were the first publication in the world to reveal on Saturday, Aug. 17 the entry from Jordan into southern Syria of a unit of US-trained Syrian rebel commandoes, under the caption: Reported Syrian gas attack after first US-trained rebel incursion from Jordan.
In that report, debkafile was also the first to expose Assad’s poison gas attack as a warning of the heavy price he would exact for intervention in the Syrian war by foreign forces or by rebels trained by foreign forces – in this case US instructors and officers based in Jordan.

CBS News reported Friday that US and Israel intelligence monitoring known chemical weapons sites detected activity there 20 minutes before the chemical shells were fired Wednesday. Those agencies were therefore on top of valuable advance information, but did nothing to stop - or even warn against – the coming poison gas attack.

Washington and other Western capitals as well as Israel continued to circle around reality Friday and Saturday, when Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel let it be known that US warships had been sent to the region for possible cruise missile attacks, in case the president decided on action against Syria.
The Secretary “forgot” to mention that, had the president really wanted to do something, all he had to do was keep the USS Truman aircraft carrier, which was present in the Mediterranean on Wednesday, the day of the chemical attack, from sailing out through the Suez Canal Thursday.

Furthermore, America doesn’t need to send more warships to the region for possible attacks on Syria. It holds plenty of assets at US air and missile bases crisscrossing the Middle East, southern and central Europe and the Persian Gulf. All are fully capable of conducting a variety of operations against Syria without bringing in extra warships.
Except that none of these assets has so far been ordered into action.

What could the Obama administration do if it was so minded?

debkafile’s exclusive military sources described three options available: One: Striking the Syrian unit which perpetrated the poison gas last Wednesday east of Damascus. Two: Destroying the Syrian army’s three chemical weapons depots. Or Three: Coordinated attacks on the first two targets.
For Options Two and Three, the attack would have to destroy all the poison shells at once before they exploded and leaked contamination across wide regions of Syria and neighboring Turkey, Israel and Jordan. The Syrian ruler is capable of having the shells’ contents mixed and armed ready for use ahead of a US attack, thus maximizing the deadly impact of lethal gases across a broad Middle East region.

Notwithstanding the grave risks of action, the consequences of inaction by the US and Israel would be worse: It would give Damascus and Tehran a green light for escalating their viciousness – and not just against the Syrian people. If the barbarity is not stopped, they will get away with making nerve gas and other poison substances acceptable weapons for fighting their foes. Lebanon and Israel are in extreme jeopardy.

 

 

http://www.debka.com/article/23218/The-sarin-shells-fired-on-Damascus---by-Syrian-4th-Division%E2%80%99s-155th-Brigade---were-followed-by-rockets-on-Israel-and-car-bombings-in-Lebanon-

 

 

 

Hey Flyer, you seem to really want the US involved in a war we have no bussiness in.

I hope you went down to the recruitment center today and signed up.

Otherwise, you're just another war monger.

Let me tell you something.

 

The first casualty of any war is "The Truth"  Most people are just blind and accept just one sided story.  I tend to look at all sides before sharing my opinion.  But of course, this is just MMHO.  Thanks for your post.  GLTY and All.

UN experts to hunt for chemical shell shrapnel - as West poised to strike Syria this week

 

 

 

Chemical shell shrapnel

Five days after the event, a United Nations team of experts Monday, Aug. 26, start scouring a site in eastern Damascus for shrapnel left over from the poison gas shells or rockets fired by the Syrian army’s 155th Brigade last Wednesday.

Given the low prospects of finding evidence at this late date, debkafile’s sources report that the UN Secretariat and the White House in Washington agreed Sunday night that the only chance of the chemical weapons experts finding evidence of their use was to examine one of the targeted sites or injured victims. The Assad regime has only offered to open one site to the UN team, not grant them access to the approximately 2,000 victims under treatment at the three hospitals. Therefore, the inspectors’ best bet was to go for shell shrapnel first.

Even after the alleged Syrian army’s exhaustive cleanup operation after its poison chemical attack, the UN experts still hope to turn up overlooked fragments, however microscopic.

The US and UN also agreed that the experts would submit their initial findings as soon as Tuesday or Wednesday morning, Aug. 28. The Obama administration made clear that it was not prepared to hang around and wait for the results of more extensive tests. The assumption in Washington is that the initial UN findings would suffice as the starting signal for the US and its allies, Britain, France, Canada, Turkey, and Germany, to go forward and launch planned targeted strikes on Syria.

Notwithstanding the official statements coming out of Washington that President Barack Obama has still not decided on his military options against Syria’s chemical attack, debkafile’s sources confirm that limited, targeted Western military action is scheduled for the coming week.

The position of the Gulf emirates and Saudi Arabia is less cut and dried. Riyadh doesn’t want a targeted strike but an early all-out offensive for overthrowing the Assad regime once and for all.

This opens up the possibility of a separate Saudi-Qatari-UAE assault in Syria, coordinated with Washington, but conducted in different regions from those targeted by the US-led lineup.
The result is potentially the pursuit of a broad-based pan-Arab offensive on the Syrian regime, alongside a surgical Western strike.
As the moment of reckoning for his regime approaches, Bashar Assad said Monday, Aug. 26 in an interview with the Russian Izvestia that a US attack on his country would end in “failure.”
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said he was deeply concerned over possible US action in Syria.

Sunday, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu commented that what is happening in Syria simply demonstrates what will happen if Iran gets even deadlier weapons. He told the weekly cabinet meeting that Israel's "finger is on the pulse" of the situation in Syria and – if need be – its finger would move to the trigger.

 

 

 

http://www.debka.com/article/23222/UN-experts-to-hunt-for-chemical-shell-shrapnel---as-West-poised-to-strike-Syria-this-week

 

 

 

[tamiflyer]

Mid-East including Israel on high alert after Obama’s failed last-ditch bid for Syria deal with Iran

 

 

 

Monday night, Aug. 25, saw one Middle East country after another, including Israel, going on high military alert after they learned that US President Barack Obama had failed to come to an understanding with Tehran on Syria and so avert a US-led operation against Syria over its chemical attacks.

Obama had hoped this understanding would also pave the way to direct dialogue on the nuclear issue with the new Iranian president Hasan Rouhani.
debkafile’s intelligence sources report that the US president delegated two emissaries for two separate tracks.

He found cause for optimism in Tehran’s consent to receive Jeffrey Feltman, UN Deputy Secretary, Monday, Aug. 25, although in his former capacity as US Undersecretary of State and US ambassador to Damascus, Feltman was viewed as an adversary of Iran, Syria and Hizballah.

Feltman arrived suddenly in Tehran Monday and was received by Foreign Minister Javad Zarif without delay.
The other intermediary was Sultan Qaboos of Oman, who arrived in Tehran Monday for a visit with Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

He too made no headway in his attempt to persuade his host that the US was amenable to a last-minute understanding on Syria for holding back an attack.

Khamenei responded with a cold threat: If the Americans attack Syria, “the entire Middle East will suffer from burns,” he said.
This response was the signal for orders to American military assets in the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf to go on a state of high preparedness Monday night, debkafile’s military sources report. Iran, Russia and Syria deployed their forces in readiness for a US-led attack on Syria. Syrian units were ordered to leave their bases and spread out across the country’s broad open areas.
The ten military chiefs meeting in Amman focused on coordination of the joint operation against Syria which is expected to begin very shortly.
Participating in the meeting chaired by US chief of staff Gen. Martin Dempsey were the top commanders of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada.
The powerful message coming from US Secretary of State John Kerry and the White House spokesman Jay Carney Monday night indicated that the Obama administration was not about to back off its promise of consequences for those responsible for using chemical weapons against civilians and “shocking the world’s conscience.”

Both bluntly accused the Assad regime of the heinous crime of chemical warfare on civilians. “Our understanding is grounded in facts and common sense,” Kerry said: This regime held custody of those weapon stockpiles, had the rockets to use them and was capable of doing so. “Basic humanity is offended by this crime and even more by the attempts to cover it up.
Kerry added:  “We have additional information about these attacks. It is being reviewed with our partners and will be released in the coming days.”

 

 

http://www.debka.com/article/23224/Mid-East-including-Israel-on-high-alert-after-Obama%E2%80%99s-failed-last-ditch-bid-for-Syria-deal-with-Iran

 

 

 

[chess]

TAMIFLYER...YOU HAVE BEEN VERY ASTUTE AND CORRECT  RE: YOUR ABOVE POSTINGS!!

THE 4 OTHERS THAT HAVE OPPOSED YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE THEIR COLLECTIVE HEADS

BURIED IN THE MIDDLE EAST SANDS.

[tamiflyer]

Translated with Google Translate from a German News Source.

 

Giftgasmassaker in Syrien: Merkel fordert Zugang für UN-Inspekteure

 

 

 

The use of poison gas in Syria with more than 1,300 deaths worldwide ensures horror - also because many children will be among the victims. Israeli intelligence makes responsible for the massacre President Assad. Chancellor Angela Merkel is pressing the FOCUS interview at a rapid reconnaissance. But nothing comes without Moscow and Beijing.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel is pushing for a rapid reconnaissance of poison gas attacks against civilians in Syria. "Now we need the UN inspectors who are already in Syria as soon as possible to gain access to the scene," Merkel told FOCUS.

She criticized in this context, the governments in Moscow and Beijing: "Unfortunately, the resistance of Russia and China has prevented a clear call of the UN Security Council on the Syrian regime to ensure freedom of access." Merkel said the reports and videos about the poison gas attack " shocking ".

Mossad: "poison gas missile by Syrian government forces"
According to the findings of Israeli intelligence community, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is responsible for the gas attack in Damascus. One unit of the Military Intelligence Service Amam, which specializes in wireless spy "Unit 8200", controlled at the time of the gas attack, the communication of the Syrian army. A former Mossad officer told FOCUS, the analysis has clearly shown that the bombardment with poison gas missiles was made by Syrian government forces.

The West lies in the words of the former Inspector General of the Bundeswehr, Harald Kujat, in a dilemma. "Morally, he would have to act now, but if he is, he gets a result that he does not want." Because that means to further strengthen the radical Islamists. Fly zones and bombing of Syrian Air Force bases Kujat does not think much, "Without a political goal brings little."

"Only solution with an ugly compromise"
The head of the Munich Security Conference, Wolfgang Ischinger said that a solution does not work in Syria without Assad's ally Russia. But "That's not an ugly without compromise. The example could be that we accept the presence of Assad when it comes to an end the fight negotiations and an awareness of war crimes, the rebels are involved in the government and there are autonomous or liberated areas. "
The German government announced aid for the victims of poison gas. In the coming days special equipment should be flown for the diagnosis and medicines worth 1.4 million euros to Syria and distributed to hospitals.
UN calls on Syria for access poison gas inspectors

 

 

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/krise-in-der-arabischen-welt/syrien/bundeskanzlerin-im-focus-interview-giftgasmassaker-in-syrien-merkel-fordert-zugang-fuer-un-inspekteure_aid_1080416.html

 

 

 

[gymrat76541]

There non-presistant nerve agents which do not leave any traces.

 

The only evidence is in how the people died. The eveidence of how they were delivered can not tell who actually fired off the rockets/bombs.

 

Assigning blame is going to be impossible. These could be stolen arms from either side.

 

This is one huge mess that Americaneeds to allow the United Nations to handle. America is already hated and feaared in the Middle East. We do not need to add fuel to the fire!

[dog53]

There non-presistant nerve agents which do not leave any traces.

 

The only evidence is in how the people died. The eveidence of how they were delivered can not tell who actually fired off the rockets/bombs.

 

Assigning blame is going to be impossible. These could be stolen arms from either side.

 

This is one huge mess that Americaneeds to allow the United Nations to handle. America is already hated and feaared in the Middle East. We do not need to add fuel to the fire!

 

Totaly agree with you Gym

But I think its to late.