arewethereyet777 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 This is my first started topic, hope I did it right http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/iraqi-dinar-reset/4511 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Machine Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 This is my first started topic, hope I did it right http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/iraqi-dinar-reset/4511 You did good +1 here's your article The Redenomination Battle By Joseph Cafariello Wednesday, July 24th, 2013 There is a growing division among investors over the fate of Iraq’s currency, the dinar. While some expect the IQD’s redenomination to lift the dinar’s value dramatically higher, others say it will have no effect on the money’s value at all. Iraqi politicians are equally at odds with one another, with some strongly for and others strongly against the plan. But isn’t redenomination supposed to be good for the nation’s currency? Why are they stalling? Opposing Views in Government The plan to redenominate the dinar by dropping 3 zeros off its notes has been anticipated since the Iraqi government first announced it back in 2010. The reason for the redenomination is to make transactions and accounting easier for the government, banks, and the general populace. As Shayya, an MP for the State of Law Coalition, explained to the Middle Eastern newspaper Al-Monitor: Indeed, now that the UN has removed Chapter 7 restrictions from the nation, Iraq is fully open for business again and will see ever increasing trade over the coming years. A new currency with fewer zeros will make things so much easier. “The Iraqi currency is weak, and the money supply has amounted to multi-trillions because of the existence of these useless zeros. The country will witness a significant increase in oil revenues, financial earnings and high budgets. Thus, we need to print new banknotes, as estimated by the Central Bank.” Yet some in the Iraqi government are reluctant to move ahead with the change, upsetting a number of redenomination advocates, including MP Nahida Daini, who lamented, “The Council of Ministers asked to delay the process for fear of money laundering operations.” Daini believes such fears are baseless, reassuring that “there are regulators in Iraq who can follow up and ensure the integrity of the project.” The opposition, though, is adamant that the Iraqi government is simply not yet ready for such a monumental task. Mudher Mohammad Saleh, former deputy governor of the Central Bank of Iraq, stessed to Al-Monitor that the deletion of zeros “does not only involve changing the design of the currency; it implies changing the economic system in the country in general.” He warned that “the decision to implement the deletion of zeros next year is very dangerous and risky” and “must be done at the appropriate time.” In the meantime, ruling officials would rather see the Iraqi government focus on other ways of stabilizing its currency and economy. As Magda al-Tamimi, member of the parliamentary Finance Committee, described it, “Iraq is not ready to control the possible currency fraud that may result from the deletion of zeros. The Finance Committee is now working toward controlling the Iraqi currency auction, which is witnessing a significant fluctuation in the exchange rate of the Iraqi dinar against the dollar.” Through these daily currency auctions, the Central Bank of Iraq issues U.S. dollars only to registered banks, importers, and other firms who need USD for conducting international transactions. By thus restricting the amount of USD circulating in Iraq, the CBI manages to control the value of the IQD, holding it at a steady rate. Source: XE.com Click to enlarge By deliberately controlling the IQD:USD exchange rate, the Iraqi central bank ensures the IQD remains weak, as can be evidenced on the chart above. Every time the dinar starts to strengthen (shown by descending plotlines), the CBI manages to bring it right back to its desired exchange rate. Why? Because maintaining a cheap IQD means that every U.S. dollar of oil revenue the country brings in would be worth more dinars, allowing the country to print more of its own money, which would then allow it to pay for more reconstruction, hire more unemployed, and stimulate its economy. Almost every other nation in the world is trying to keep its currency weak for the same reasons. Even as Tamimi confirms, “Development is the gateway to strengthening the currency. Thus, raising the value of the dinar is more important than the deletion of zeros.” Can Redenomination Include Higher Valuation? But Tamimi’s comment brings up a very interesting point. While many investors in the Iraqi dinar believe its redenomination (chopping off 3 zeros) will be accompanied by a revaluation (a sudden increase in the value of the new Iraqi money), Tamimi’s statement shows the two events do not happen together. They are two separate concepts that do not coincide. In stating that “raising the value of the dinar” (through CBI-controlled daily auctions) is “more important than the deletion of zeros,” she implies that the deletion of zeros would not strengthen the dinar. Tamimi wants to see a strong dinar, but she sees exchange rate controls as accomplishing that more than the deletion of zeros would. Yet if the Iraqi government takes the additional step of increasing the value of the new money – let’s say by doubling it – then that same 1.164 of new money would buy 2 U.S. dollars. This would mean that with one stroke of the pen, the nation of Iraqi would be worth twice as much in USD as before, overnight. However, the amount of assets the country owns would still be the same the day after the revaluation as it was the day before. So where would that additional value come from? Is there suddenly twice as much oil in Iraq’s stockpile? No. Is there suddenly twice as much gold in Iraq’s vaults? No. Other nations would protest. In order for the government to declare its money to be suddenly worth twice as much in USD as before, it would have to provide assets to account for that extra wealth in USD – not underground reserves, but actual exchangeable assets. A nation’s currency is not a representation of its wealth. A nation’s currency is simply a representation of its assets. Its assets are the true indication of a nation’s wealth. If a nation’s assets have not changed, its wealth will not change either, regardless of any changes it makes to its money. Even as 1,000 old money is worth 1 new money, they will still be worth the same in USD because the entire country of Iraq will still be worth the same in USD on the day of the conversion as it was the day before. Investing in Iraq’s Future Iraq will some day – and not far into the future either – mount one of the greatest comebacks since Japan and Germany after the second world war. Iraq is destined to become the world’s second largest oil exporter, and it will be rich. It makes sense, then, to invest in the country early on, while it is still under development. But there are better ways of doing it than buying a fixed IQD that does not trade freely. Iraq has an active stock market, the Iraqi Stock Exchange (ISX), which currently lists more than 100 companies including industrials, banks, insurers, hotels, and telecoms – all sectors which will undoubtedly flourish as the nation develops. It may be complicated for a foreigner to invest in the ISX. However, many companies listed in Iraq are listed in other countries as well where it may be easier for you to trade. The IQD, however, is a different story. The Iraqi government simply cannot afford to let its currency trade freely on an open market at the whim of supply and demand forces. If it were allowed to trade freely, it would probably strengthen to a certain extent, as graphs show. But this would lead to deflation, make money too expensive for businesses to get their hands on, and it would ultimately stop the economy’s gears from turning. A strong IQD would shut Iraq down like the 2008 credit crisis nearly shut American down. And just as the U.S. central bank has been doing all it can to keep interest rates down and prevent the USD from strengthening too much, so too will the CBI continue to do what it can to keep the IQD down. Since redenomination is not the same as revaluation, investors would do best to find other ways of benefiting from Iraq’s future rise, since they won’t find it in the dinar – no matter how many or how few zeros it has. Joseph Cafariello 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robboys33 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 So this guy thinks we have invested in a dream that will not come true..Guess i have to wait until later on today for another sourse to say "the dinar is a smart invesment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amos9:13 Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 While I agree with what he said about keeping the dinar down on purpose (eheemmmm China), I don't agree they will keep it weak. He forgets that with all of the uprisings occurring in the Middle East...Iraq won't let that happen. They will eventually have to raise the value. I don't think it has to be 2.00, he has a closed mind...it could be .10cents to a buck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBomb Posted July 25, 2013 Report Share Posted July 25, 2013 bump 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandfly Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJC Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 This is my first started topic, hope I did it right http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/iraqi-dinar-reset/4511 Nice job rookie !!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arewethereyet777 Posted July 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Nice job rookie !!!! Thanks AJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPCarter Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 While I agree with what he said about keeping the dinar down on purpose (eheemmmm China), I don't agree they will keep it weak. He forgets that with all of the uprisings occurring in the Middle East...Iraq won't let that happen. They will eventually have to raise the value. I don't think it has to be 2.00, he has a closed mind...it could be .10cents to a buck. I hope it does not come out at something like .10 cents. From a forex standpoint that would be an absolute disaster. They had better at least come out 1 to 1 or they will soon wish they did. Some of my friends who are also forex traders are actually hoping they do come out with a low value so that they can exploit the system and use Iraq as the golden goose. If it does come out at .10 cents It would make a lot of traders much more than we could ever make before the RV. Actually if it comes out in the $3 range banks, institutions, traders etc. will make LESS than if it comes out at .10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
climber7 Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 this article seems pretty well thought out and explained in detail how this really works. The logical conclusion seems to be that we won't be making any money off our dinars. Anyone have another theory showing,as well explained as this one,why we WILL make money off the dinars we hold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
despain Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I am not going to go into the details because it would take forever. If you look at the documents from the US, the IMF, the GOI, the Finance Ministry, the Economic Ministry, the Document I can't remember the name of (LOL!) You will see that we will make money. Lastly, there is no reason to dollarize your economy if you are going to lop. They are clearing the streets of dinar, and that is being done for a reason. I think its going to float up, but I'll take a buck and be GONE! JMHO... They will NEVER tell you exactly what they are going to do. So...we wait. I am so freaking tired of doing that! LOL! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPRAYERDUDE Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I am not going to go into the details because it would take forever. If you look at the documents from the US, the IMF, the GOI, the Finance Ministry, the Economic Ministry, the Document I can't remember the name of (LOL!) You will see that we will make money. Lastly, there is no reason to dollarize your economy if you are going to lop. They are clearing the streets of dinar, and that is being done for a reason. I think its going to float up, but I'll take a buck and be GONE! JMHO... They will NEVER tell you exactly what they are going to do. So...we wait. I am so freaking tired of doing that! LOL! +1 Exactly as i see it thanks for the post 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackster Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Interesting article. Here's another one that looks similar from the same person and a later date: http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/the-future-of-the-iraqi-dinar/4424 The graphics are the same. Here's the title: The Future of the Iraqi Dinar Three Misconceptions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vomer Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Interesting article. Here's another one that looks similar from the same person and a later date: http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/the-future-of-the-iraqi-dinar/4424 The graphics are the same. Here's the title: The Future of the Iraqi Dinar Three Misconceptions that's a pretty negative article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinarThug Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Somebody Linked This Article In The Comments On Adam's Chat Today ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amos9:13 Posted August 7, 2013 Report Share Posted August 7, 2013 Just an opinion article. This guys thoughts don't mean anything to me. I know the risk but I also know the reward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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