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FIRST I WILL THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY  i was in iraq and worked every day side by side with  the army supporting the airforce .. and i did notice alot of the young guys were hearing the same things .. as you are stating .. they being young were suseptable to propaganda .. the propaganda  in my  observation was mostly amoung the young guys .. they had young friends at home . ..who had young friends in colleges  that were being brain washed with propaganda .... once it became political things got nasty at home especially during  the 2004 election cycle .. john kerry stirred up alot of crap against bush ,, the young kids were postin on the internet constantly garbage that wasnt substantiated at all , this went on for years , it wasnt a couple posts ..

 

what im getting at is .. unless there is evidence  other than the testimony of an anti war anti  sanction  nut that was later commited .  or other than a theory .. maybe you should listen to some of the other sides  story .. .. not just .. type rigghhtttt.

 

 this country is your future .. you should be so quick to  jump ship and join the propagandists..

 like i said  if you do have some credible sources of information that can be traced further than the link  or utube ..  you shouldnt be attacking others ..

 i do have put in thousands of hours of research on the subject of iraq ..

 

 i stand with george bush all day long every single day ..

ya that sure is a lot of knowlege you present.. its garbage ,, we all want the truth ,, you have presented none to back up your accusations that im passing propaganda ..

Your intel about a painting in southern Iraq well sir, a painting is a painting Iraqis were painting T walls at Camp Bucca to beautify the camp.  LOL, your intel sources I give up.

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Marines discover Iraqi 9/11 mural

NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) --U.S. Marines searching Iraqi military headquarters in this southern city that was the site of intensive fighting came across a mural depicting a plane crashing into a building complex resembling New York‘s twin towers, a news agency photograph showed Wednesday.  http://www.spiritoftruth.org/911mural.htm

 

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Marines discover Iraqi 9/11 mural

NASIRIYA, Iraq (CNN) --U.S. Marines searching Iraqi military headquarters in this southern city that was the site of intensive fighting came across a mural depicting a plane crashing into a building complex resembling New York‘s twin towers, a news agency photograph showed Wednesday.  http://www.spiritoftruth.org/911mural.htm

 

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And?  the palestians were cheering in the streets did we invade Gaza?  Get over it Lop.

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Saddam Hussein stands trial in Baghdad on Jan. 29, 2006. He was hanged later that year


Bottom line, from the CIA’s point of view: Saddam used to lie about possessing WMD, so we believed he still was.Now that we’re out of Iraq, the CIA has come clean on how it came to be bamboozled about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) ferrets over at the National Security Archive (NSA) petitioned for, and got, the CIA’s equivalent of the dog-ate-my-homework. (Technically, the NSA obtained this document under a mandatory-declassification-review request it made in 2006, which can be faster [It still took six years!] than an FOIA request if the requester has sufficient details on a specific document.)

Unfortunately, the U.S. went to war based largely on that false intelligence. And 4,486 U.S. troops, 318 allies and untold thousands of Iraqis died in the ensuing conflict.

While much of the CIA explanation has been redacted, these surviving passages stand out:

 

— When the [u.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency] inspections proved more intrusive than expected, the Iraqi leadership appears to have panicked and made a fateful decision to secretly destroy much of the remaining nondeclared items and eliminate the evidence.

— Clumsy but genuine Iraqi moves toward transparency — significant alterations in their “cheat and retreat” pattern — not only went undetected but instead seemed to confirm that Iraq could and would conceal evidence of proscribed programs.

— We now judge that the Iraqis feared that [saddam’s son-in-law and Iraqi weapons expert Hussein Kamel Hassan al-Majid] — a critical figure in Iraq’s WMD and [denial and deception] activities — would reveal additional undisclosed information. Iraq decided that further widespread deception and attempts to hold onto extensive WMD programs while under U.N. sanctions was untenable and changed strategic direction by adopting a policy of disclosure and improved cooperation.

— Iraq’s firmly established “cheat and retreat” pattern made it difficult for U.N. inspectors and Western analysts to accept new Iraqi assertions at face value.

— A liability of intelligence analysis is that once a party has been proven to be an effective deceiver, that knowledge becomes a heavy factor in the calculation of the analytical observer.

 

Tom Blanton, director of the nonprofit NSA, called the document a “remarkable CIA mea culpa.” To which Battleland adds only: mea maxima culpa.
 

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/06/iraq-how-the-cia-says-it-blew-it-on-saddams-wmd/#ixzz2MWDVvnMK

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Thank You for posting the "Northwoods" documents Hugh, I had not seen them before.

 

 

Sheesh Louise, Dontlop you sure are selective about "guberment" documents...

 

You just slice and dice them to make a salad of YOUR liking.

 

There are plenty of documents and testimony as to what really happened in regard to us going into Iraq.

 

Too bad you don't WANT to get at the truth, it's your choice though... whatever.

 

Thank goodness there are plenty who do care and are creating a different world than you would go along with.

typical liberal posts a bunch of garbage that theres plenty of  documents  and testimony  why we went into iraq ...

 

they got tme to post their rediculous  posts .. but no time to post the so called documentation as to why we really went into iraq

 

 post your document why we really went into iraq .. and yes make sure its not a theory ,, or opinion .. 

 

ya those north wood documents are great ,, you can use them to back up a lie in your future . they are a proposal in 1962 that was rejected by john f kennedy ..  so you want to theorize thats why we went into iraq

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"At this stage it is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can,
not bigger than the size of the hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything....
The viruses easily spread by air, and people are affected without feeling it."

- Uday Hussein, 9/20/01 (NOTE: The first Anthrax-laced letters were mailed on 9/18/01)
(That means Hussein's son wrote this before any news had come out about the Anthrax mailings in the U.S.)
(Noted in the Wall Street Journal, "Saddam and the Next 9/11", 2/14/03)


"In this man's heart (Osama bin Laden) you'll find an insistence,
a strange determination that he will reach one day the tunnels of the White House
and will bomb it with everything that is in it.....with the seriousness of the Bedouin
of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.
...the revolutionary bin Laden is insisting very convincingly that he will strike America on the arm that is already hurting.
That the man....will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs."
(A reference to Sinatra's "New York, New York"?)

- From the Iraqi publication Al-Nasiriya: July 21, 2001
(Also noted in the Wall Street Journal, "Saddam and the Next 9/11", 2/14/03)

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Against All Enemies:
Proving Saddam's Iraq Was Behind 9/11

"Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not, who have ears, but hear not.
Do you not fear Me? says the Lord; Do you not tremble before Me?" - Jeremiah 5:21-22

 

http://www.spiritoftruth.org/againstallenemies.htm

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I 100% agree with you Donlop, if it weren't for people like you, I would not be proud to be an American.  Some people just live in a dream world.  I would hate to think

I had to depend on them when the fighting begins.  They would still be in denial.

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http://www.mefacts.com/cached.asp?x_id=11630   <<< this link says it all

 

 

 

Even those who would be President of the United States cast doubts. "Iraq was not a terrorist haven before the invasion," 5 Democratic candidate John Kerry told Philadelphia voters September 24. At the September 30, 2004 presidential debate, Kerry asserted, "Iraq was not even close to the center of the War on Terror before the president invaded it." 6

Presidential hopeful, Senator John Kerry (D-Massachusetts) >

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At a ceremony celebrating suicide terror bombings, a poster honors

the relationship between Yasser Arafat (left) and Saddam Hussein (right).



Family  members of homicide bombers received “certificates of merit,” such as this one handed to the relatives of a killer in Gaza on July 18, 2002.

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Here it is, up close.

 

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Certificate recognizing a suicide bomber's "martyrdom." Note the attached

"President Saddam Hussein's Grant" check in the lower right-hand corner.

These families showed their thanks for these cash infusions, even as their sons (and occasional daughters) blasted themselves to bits.



So far, we have documented that Saddam Hussein harbored terrorists (many with al-Qaeda links) responsible for international mayhem and even the incidental deaths of Americans. But is there any evidence that Iraq sheltered those responsible for attacks on America?

Enter Abdul Rahman Yasin, pictured below in a U.S. State Department "Wanted" poster.

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Abdul Rahman Yasin

This Indiana-born, Iraqi-reared terrorist remains wanted by the FBI for his role in the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center attack. President Bill Clinton's Justice Department indicted Yasin for mixing the chemicals in the bomb that exploded in the parking garage beneath the Twin Towers, killing six and injuring 1,042 people in New York.

 

 

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An NYPD officer escorts a woman suffering from

smoke inhalation after the February 26, 1993 WTC bombing

Soon after the smoke cleared, Yasin returned to Iraq. Coalition forces have discovered documents that show he enjoyed housing and a monthly government salary.

Former ABC News correspondent Sheila MacVicar looked for Yasin, and here is what she reported on July 27, 1994: “Last week, [television program] Day One confirmed [Yasin] is in Baghdad…Just a few days ago, he was seen at [his father’s] house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely.” 15

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Former ABC News correspondent

Sheila MacVicar

Since Iraq was liberated, Yasin remains at large.

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Abu Musab al Zarqawi, Iraqi-supported terrorist

This is Abu Musab al Zarqawi. After running an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, he found his way to Baathist Baghdad, where he reportedly checked into Olympic Hospital, an elite facility run by the late Uday Hussein, son of the captured tyrant. Zarqawi is believed to have received medical treatment for a leg injury sustained while dodging American GIs who toppled the Taliban. He convalesced in Baghdad for some two months. Once he was back on his foot, Zarqawi then opened an Ansar al-Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq. Zarqawi is thought to be behind the October 28, 2002 assassination of this man, Lawrence Foley:



So does all of this, or anything else, suggest a tie between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda? Some evidence is interesting but far from solid, such as this image that appeared on the front page of the March 27, 2003 New York Post showing U.S. troops at an Iraqi military base in Nasariyah. They encountered a mural that seems to celebrate the destruction of the Twin Towers.

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A mural at an Iraqi military base appears to celebrate 9/11.

Recall that Abdul Rahman Yasin, one of the al-Qaeda bombers who hit the World Trade Center in 1993, fled to Iraq after that attack and lived there freely, reportedly with a government salary. That’s one clear link to al-Qaeda.



Then there is the interesting case of Ahmad Hikmat Shakir — an Iraqi VIP facilitator who worked at the international airport in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Citing "a foreign government service," page 340 of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on pre-Iraq-War intelligence indicates that, "Shakir claimed he got this job through Ra'ad al-Mudaris, an Iraqi Embassy employee" in Malaysia. On January 5, 2000, Shakir greeted Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi at Kuala Lampur’s airport. He then escorted them to a local hotel where these September 11 hijackers met with 9/11 conspirators Ramzi bin al Shibh and Tawfiz al Atash. Five days later, according to The Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes, Shakir disappeared. 19

 

 

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9/11 hijackers Nawaz al Hamzi and Khalid al Midhar

Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi subsequently spent the morning of September 11, 2001 flying American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon, killing 184 people.

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how could this happen if saddam wasnt involved

 

As the May 8, 2003 New York Post and other news outlets reported, Baer ruled that Saddam Hussein’s government was complicit in the September 11 attacks and that the Baathist government owed the plaintiffs a judgment of $104 million.

As Baer stated on May 7, 2003:

“I conclude that plaintiffs have shown, albeit barely, ‘by evidence satisfactory to the court’ that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al Qaeda.” 22

 

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U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer, Jr.

 

 



This lead to the following headline from the most unimpeachable name in news, CBS: “Court Rules: Al Qaida, Iraq Linked.”

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Thus, there is abundant and undeniable evidence that Saddam Hussein provided money, diplomatic services, shelter, medical care, and training to terrorists of every stripe, including those complicit in the 1993 WTC bombing and — according to a Clinton-appointed federal judge — the September 11 attacks. The Iraqi dictator aided al-Qaeda and other global terrorists who murdered Americans, both at home and abroad.

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Keep on researching and researching you know everything you are right.  Can't fight he who knows all.  Just remember we invaded Iraq did not find any WMD's and we left Dec 2011.  Results over 4000 dead and countless wounded gains a big fat Zero.  Again LOP you know it all and you are correct.  Last post concerning this.  Next time you go to Iraq, check the old military base at Tallil and go visit Chemical Ali old HQ and see if you can find any WMDs.  We sure didn't.

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In August 2003, former vice president Albert Gore reassuringly stated: “The evidence now shows clearly that Saddam did not want to work with Osama bin Laden at all.” 4

< Former vice president Albert Gore

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Keep on researching and researching you know everything you are right.  Can't fight he who knows all.  Just remember we invaded Iraq did not find any WMD's and we left Dec 2011.  Results over 4000 dead and countless wounded gains a big fat Zero.  Again LOP you know it all and you are correct.  Last post concerning this.  Next time you go to Iraq, check the old military base at Tallil and go visit Chemical Ali old HQ and see if you can find any WMDs.  We sure didn't.

Secret U.S. mission hauls uranium from Iraq

Last major stockpile from Saddam's nuclear efforts arrives in Canada

 

The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/

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Keep on researching and researching you know everything you are right.  Can't fight he who knows all.  Just remember we invaded Iraq did not find any WMD's and we left Dec 2011.  Results over 4000 dead and countless wounded gains a big fat Zero.  Again LOP you know it all and you are correct.  Last post concerning this.  Next time you go to Iraq, check the old military base at Tallil and go visit Chemical Ali old HQ and see if you can find any WMDs.  We sure didn't.

There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

 

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

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Oh the lies lies lies.

 

 

 

beosguy 4 years ago

Bush war or Gore's War ?

We were going to invade Iraq anyway.

Al Gore on Iraq, Terrorism, and WMD

watch?v=gc1h1wg7LeQ

Al Gore Condemns Diplomatic Solution With Iraq... in 1992

watch?v=bYw1q2Ew7Bo

Al Gore: No Doubt Saddam's Weapons Are Grave Threat

watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc

pro-war Al Gore

watch?v=Chn1qAn1f3w

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bobcrachetkatienanna 4 years ago

I appreciate the info... Keep in mind that this is a video that is showing the few months of war propaganda leading up to the invasion once UN inspectors re-entered Iraq for the first time in 4 years. You are right that the democrats are also to blame. Political parties are meant to be a distraction anyway. It is obvious both parties actually have the same agenda.

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Saddam was planning on trading oil in euros and other currencies... gaddafi died for same reason...if u dare trade oil for anything other than the dollar, you die... stop promoting ridiculous partyline propaganda that we've been subjected to for 13 years, the time of lies is over, it's time to research and accept the truth.

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Oh the lies lies lies.

 

 

 

beosguy 4 years ago

Bush war or Gore's War ?

We were going to invade Iraq anyway.

Al Gore on Iraq, Terrorism, and WMD

watch?v=gc1h1wg7LeQ

Al Gore Condemns Diplomatic Solution With Iraq... in 1992

watch?v=bYw1q2Ew7Bo

Al Gore: No Doubt Saddam's Weapons Are Grave Threat

watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc

pro-war Al Gore

watch?v=Chn1qAn1f3w

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bobcrachetkatienanna 4 years ago

I appreciate the info... Keep in mind that this is a video that is showing the few months of war propaganda leading up to the invasion once UN inspectors re-entered Iraq for the first time in 4 years. You are right that the democrats are also to blame. Political parties are meant to be a distraction anyway. It is obvious both parties actually have the same agenda.

 

BS

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UN Resolution 1441 Bush is on Record saying this is why he went in to Iraq, Same as Obama when he bombed Libya using U.N. Resolution 1970 and U.N. Resolution 1973 BOTH BUSH AND O ACTED (as other Presidents have) w/o Congressional approval, the reason is simple, they (Iraq and Libya) no longer wanted to sell goods (oil etc) for dollars, but rather GOLD..... As far as Operation North Wood, that is what eventually led the Elite to take out oe of their own in Kennedy,JFK was angry at being mis-lead with false info (CIA) on Bay of Pigs (Govt purposely did this so they could implement operation NorthWoods) that when they brought the plan to him to JFK per Sec of Defense Robert McNamara JFK refused and let/ fired/ layoff go of his Chief of Staff General Lymon Louis Lemnitzer (wonder if he got a furlough). The final straw came 11/11/62 when JFK was shown photos of Cuban Missile bases, the joint chiefs pressed JFK for immediate action. But JFK having a conscience and fearing Nuclear Fallout and the Safety of the people refused and instead sent Attorney General RFK to defuse the situation and talk to the Russian Ambassador Anotaly Fyodorovich Dobrynin and the situation was neutralized :bump: . Nikita Krushehev in his memoirs is quoted as saying "RFK told AFD that "We are under pressure to use Military Force against Cuba, If the situation continues much longer, the President is not sure that the Military will not overthrow him and seize power. Side Note CIA Director at the time was George Bush (any of you know or heard of him ? :shrug: ) . Read excerpts from Behold A Pale Horse by William Cooper who has 2 documents on JFK assassination, and last but not least a Conspiracy theorist is a derogatory term used to dismiss a critical thinker. Thank you :tiphat: and with respect. :)

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post-35794-0-67242300-1362365013_thumb.j     Here's a pic that was not made available to the public until now. Look how these evil folks are smiling Lady Bird AND Lyn. Johnson smiling at a winking congressman Albert Thomas as he's being sworn in while Jackie weeps for her husband JFK. Sorry if the pic is not good quality I can if requested try and post a better pic. (Pic courtesy of the book Codex Magicka by Texe Marrs from my dad library) with respect.  :)

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Keep on researching and researching you know everything you are right.  Can't fight he who knows all.  Just remember we invaded Iraq did not find any WMD's and we left Dec 2011.  Results over 4000 dead and countless wounded gains a big fat Zero.  Again LOP you know it all and you are correct.  Last post concerning this.  Next time you go to Iraq, check the old military base at Tallil and go visit Chemical Ali old HQ and see if you can find any WMDs.  We sure didn't.

Silly liberals, just can't see it even when the evidence is before you.

 

Here's why,

 

Lucifer will blind all whom he controls. When you present a demonic 

 

​ controlled person with the facts they simply cannot see it. When you 

 

demonstrate to them a well thought out reply they simply cannot even

 

comprehend your message. We can only pity people who refuse to

 

see and comprehend what is before them.

Read more: http://dinarvets.com/forums/index.php?/topic/142782-hagel-us-cant-dictate-to-the-world/page-2#ixzz2MXFklQpg

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UN Resolution 1441 Bush is on Record saying this is why he went in to Iraq, Same as Obama when he bombed Libya using U.N. Resolution 1970 and U.N. Resolution 1973 BOTH BUSH AND O ACTED (as other Presidents have) w/o Congressional approval, the reason is simple, they (Iraq and Libya) no longer wanted to sell goods (oil etc) for dollars, but rather GOLD..... As far as Operation North Wood, that is what eventually led the Elite to take out oe of their own in Kennedy,JFK was angry at being mis-lead with false info (CIA) on Bay of Pigs (Govt purposely did this so they could implement operation NorthWoods) that when they brought the plan to him to JFK per Sec of Defense Robert McNamara JFK refused and let/ fired/ layoff go of his Chief of Staff General Lymon Louis Lemnitzer (wonder if he got a furlough). The final straw came 11/11/62 when JFK was shown photos of Cuban Missile bases, the joint chiefs pressed JFK for immediate action. But JFK having a conscience and fearing Nuclear Fallout and the Safety of the people refused and instead sent Attorney General RFK to defuse the situation and talk to the Russian Ambassador Anotaly Fyodorovich Dobrynin and the situation was neutralized :bump: . Nikita Krushehev in his memoirs is quoted as saying "RFK told AFD that "We are under pressure to use Military Force against Cuba, If the situation continues much longer, the President is not sure that the Military will not overthrow him and seize power. Side Note CIA Director at the time was George Bush (any of you know or heard of him ? :shrug: ) . Read excerpts from Behold A Pale Horse by William Cooper who has 2 documents on JFK assassination, and last but not least a Conspiracy theorist is a derogatory term used to dismiss a critical thinker. Thank you :tiphat: and with respect. :)

wrong bush had congressional approval .. to use force in iraq .. obama acted against the constitutuion obama was the first president in us history to do what he did

 

H.J.Res. 114 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 bushs congressional approval >>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114

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wrong bush had congressional approval .. to use force in iraq .. obama acted against the constitutuion obama was the first president in us history to do what he did

 

H.J.Res. 114 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 bushs congressional approval >>> http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114

The Iraqi inquiry was about Bush and UN Resolution 1441 and the "extent of authority" that is a fact and you can view the Iraqi inquiry video/ transcripts  yourself. Why do you think the UN didn't intervene ?. Bush and Powell told the UN that they could produce evidence of "Material Breach", Powell would later apologize after the Iraqi War ended, why did Powell apologize ?.. The UN tried to save face and say they never sanctioned the War, hence the bogus inquiry to pacify the masses who were upset that USA went in. We all know the UN sanctioned this WAR on Iraq, despite what they say. Bush told the UN when he was going in, the UN then ordered inspectors out (Actions speak louder than words) If the UN were really "Peace Keepers of The World" they (USSR, CHINA, FRANCE) would've/ should've threatened the US with Military Force to defend Iraq to let inspectors continue to inspect, putting the ball in Bush court forcing Bush to make the decision to Start WW3 and I guarantee BUSH would've backed down, but the UN didn't. So while the UN says it didn't sanction the War (Legal), they didn't do anything to stop it either, which means they failed in their duties (Law) as Peacekeepers of the World. (Lawful Actions speak louder than Legal words)  No different then how the UN treated O and libya incident, a bunch of words and finger pointing BUT no action . But USSR, CHINA, and FRANCE will be at the cash out window with the USA and UK though for these 2 incidents just like every other incident since the UN Treaty of 1945. With Respect. :)   

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