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Do you think a civil war will happen?  

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  1. 1. Civil War Coming?

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LIBoy,

I rushed to "+" you I hit the "-" by mistake. Sorry!

It's all good. Just amazes me how many people felt the need to neg me because I posted facts based on actual news articles. LOL Oh well, I guess some people just want to stay in their one sided fantasy land.

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We are a Nation of laws , not mob rules. If our goverment and our appointed officials refuse to enforce that law , it is our duty to find new guardians for our future. If we can do it peacfuly , great ! If it comes to bloodshed , so be it. But I will not live under an oppresive goverment.

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democrats love living under regulations and restraint .. why not just get it over with and chain the libs up to a dog house in the back yard and throw them a bone once in awhile .. they would love it according to their philosophy

hey you libs constrain yourselves ,, why do you insist on dictatorship and imposing your rules on others .. just regulate yourselves and show us by example how well you do .. lead by example .. not by dictating.. your "mandatory" regulations ....................you are asking for a punch in the nostrils . what do you expect .

You and many others on this thread would have done very well in Nazi Germany where no one is allowed to have a differing opinion or a free thought other than what Hitler believed in. However, this is America and we are all allowed to have as many differeing views on any givebn subject as we want. You can disagree with those views as much as you want. That also is the right of every American. But to show such disrespect and be down right condescending towards someone simply because they don't share your view is not only immature and obnoxious, it is down right Unamerican

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Bottom Line, Money, Greed, and abuse of power to gain control is breaking down the United States which starts at the top. When elected leaders of a nation no longer practice good ethical values with integrity but continue to govern in the best interest of lobbyist's who are supplying money for their own agenda's the system begins to break down and eventually will fail. These elected officials no longer lead by example rather they are leading by influence.

Universal health care is a perfect example of the insurance lobby ripping off the country through legislation. The cost of health care wont go down it will more than double with the extortion from the insurance industry added to it.

Personal responsibility is not a thing of the past many Americans practice it now.

Insurance is extortion and universal health care is legislated extortion.

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A truly wise man does both..... Prepare for what may come. The problem with doing that is since it hasn't happened yet, who knows what to prepare for?!?!? My line of thinking is this..... follow what our political leaders are doing and have done and then compare it historically to what someone else did. Look at the outcome of that situation and then prepare for it!!! I'm looking at Greece, Italy, Spain and others for recent history and I think that is the better of the worst case possibilities.... Then look at Russia, Germany, China, Cambodia and so on and see what correlation there is there and prepare for that outcome. The whole time your doing this, work diligently to avert these possibilities by effecting change where you are and hope for the best!!!!!

Stonewall you are absolutely correct in saying to study past history and how it was dealt with. Learn from it and you will see where we are at today.

History shows by our present direction we are going, where we are headed. I have to also agree we have to prepare for what is to come.

We can contact our representatives, and voice our concerns, but my honest opinion, they are puppets as well. We can go after the media, they are the

ones who are molding the peoples way of thinking. The people have fallen into the trap of believing anything and everything, is to be truth.

Someone once told me, if you don't follow the news you are uninformed, if you follow the news you are misinformed. This holds truth.

We need to do our own diligence in finding out what is happening. Get away from the media. Don't give them the ratings.

One final thing and I will stop ranting.

Evil is here, evil never sleeps. We have to understand that what we are inheriting has come from our failure of not living fully a Christian life. We have

disregarded God. Now is the time, more than ever to wake up, build your community of Christians and fight the fight with God's wisdom. God is our provider,

not the government or some other entity or person. Gods help will be our protection. Christ is the only way, the only path.

We must comprehend that, without Him (Christ), we have no future.....

This present time is the NOW TIME for us to alter our future.

Now you all can continue your debate. So far everyone is doing good. Thanks everyone for being civil and allowing me to give my 2 cents. ;)

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I won't presume to debate your politics..........what I will do is point out that a war would be insane..............................Ok hypothetically speaking.......................

Which one of you gets it first?...........Who should I shoot first?.........A liberal?.....a conservative? A black man?, A hispanic?......my neighbor? He is a pakistani.........should I shoot him in the name of what?

600.000 dead on the battle field alone........untold numbers of civilian casualties......decades of economic devastation which also killed untold numbers of people......for decades afterwards. Great. Lets have a civil war............But when the killing starts where will it end? Will you know when to stop? Will you be the proud puffy peacock you were at the end as you were in the beginning?

I study history. War is abhorrent...........No matter how much we have because of war it still cost many a bucket of blood to get it. Oh yeah....your world is shaped by many wars and we have so much in our world because of those wars. But was it worth it? We stopped fighting static wars as they cost so many lives. So we went to mechinized wars because the Germans proved the value of such and thus we fight now on the move. Look........ Look again and consider it seriously...........History is so important and yet we never seem to learn from it.

Didn't you learn from history. Well if you didn't then you need to study................Your own history...........We Americans are good at killing. Especially killing during a war.We can kill so good we are the superpower of the world............Do you like that part? Do you want to kill somemore? The best way to start a really good war is to get American to start killing other Americans........When the US civil war took place the world had never seen such slaughter. They thought we were just a simple folk. But we showed the world we knew how to kill and kill well to the point that the world changed it's opinion of OUR country and stood in awe at the slaughter................and for the first time.........in real fear.

I am not a simple farmboy from Ohio or Alabama......I don't have a single shot musket. Oh hell no...........I'm an educated fool with a mini14 and a 35 round clip and I know how to use it and use it well and my education is even more dangerous and you better hope I'm on your side because if I'm not on your side............You are gonna die.

But it won't be my patriotism that will have killed you. It won't be my defending the constitution that gets you. It won't be my religion that destroyed you. It won't be defending my rights that clears you and yours from the face of this earth........Hell no..........It will be my survival...........Not my principles. You see me coming during that war you want?..........You better breathe heavy cause it won't be long before you are not breathing if you ever saw me coming..........You are gonna die...........you, your wife, your kids and your whole family..........Remember......dead men tell no lies...........or dead family members take no revenge..............Do you really want that war? Principles won't mean a tinkers damned when the killing starts.

We have a country that is unique......We all agree to disagree peacefully...........At least that is what we are supposed to have. But here we are considering the notion of a Civil War.....really. How stupid. You don't like me and my opinion........you are supposed to work it out peacefully. In fact that is the American way. Work it out peacefully and not with WAR. If that isn't correct then I'll just kill everyone who disagrees......Is that the American way? Killing?......Ok. You go ahead and pull that smokewagon and start shooting. At me. An American. Your brother......How patriotic is that?

I'll stand here all day and argue opinions. But will I have to use a gun to protect my rights and opinion? Maybe and believe me I would use that gun......My opinion and rights be damned....I'll use that gun to survive. You want to chance that? You want that? If you do..............Then so be it. You are beyond reasoning.

I in no way threaten you or your family and merely wish to point out the absurdity of war.............But I do want you to consider it all as talking about a civil war is so much better than actually fighting that war especially a civil war.....Before you decide you want to fight consider the possibilities good or bad and remember it is so much easier to talk and argue than it is argue and fight. We can work it all out peacefully...........and we have to do so.............Or you can suffer the consequences...........right or wrong......good or bad. What part of your history have we all forgotten.

Automag..........Short for automatic magazine..........That ain't no book brother.........Liberal? Only the amount of rounds I run through the chamber. Get it?

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I hear people reply in manners like there will suddenly be a mob rule because people don't like Obama. This is nothing that pertains to the topic. Just like our ForeFathers did not jump to any conclusion but were forced by having all other options removed would there ever be real thought of civil war. I pray this is far off or not going to happen. If the Forefathers could have simply voted someone out there probably would never have been a revolution. As long as there is the rule or law there will not be a rule of mob. But we also need to get real as we look at possibilities. There needs to be real research into the last election. It has been proven that members of Congress did obtain information on how to produce a program on being able to flip votes and rig election machines. It is proven that in many areas Romney did not receive ONE vote. This does not happen. The question needs to be examined if the election was a fraud. This is our last hope for rule of law. Do we have the Constitution? If we then we still have the rule of law. Are our politicians listening to the people or have they assumed a Monarchy state of mind where they are the power and the people are there to serve them. We the People is the rule of law. I am hoping that there remains options. I see the government removing options faster than the population is able to respond.

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These times were designed to spark up feelings of civil war. The only problem is that there are no lines drawn and we are all confused as to what we stand for. We will all be floored when we realize that we have been lied to by the United States corporation for hundreds of years. But like the song says " You won't believe the most amazing things that can come from some terrible lieeeeeeeeees!"

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WOW

This post has given me much to think about.

I am grateful to all for their input.

I think I am like most Ameicans, I wait and observe and pray for changes.

Bottom line, I will not stand for big brother to take away what millions have given their lives for me to have; my rights as an American.

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These times were designed to spark up feelings of civil war. The only problem is that there are no lines drawn and we are all confused as to what we stand for. We will all be floored when we realize that we have been lied to by the United States corporation for hundreds of years. But like the song says " You won't believe the most amazing things that can come from some terrible lieeeeeeeeees!"

Personally I don't know about hundreds of years but I agree with you for the last 50 since I was born in '62.

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Patriot? No, patriotism is not what you guys are doing. You hate this President and make things up solely to get him out of office or make sure that he doesn't succeed at anything, even at the expense of your own economic well-being or safety. I was never a democrat but I can say with certainty, I will not be a Rpublican as long as these fake patriots keep sabotaging our country...

Things NOT made-up:

- Anne Dunham (Obama's mom) was, in her own words, a socialist who "admired Karl Marx,"

- Both sets of Obama's grandparents were socialists,

- O's father was a communist,

- O's mother, when they were living in Indonesia, married a man who claimed he was a socialist. When he later claimed to favor capitalism, she divorced him for that reason (so she claimed).

- When living back in Hawaii, his grandfather (mom's dad), decided Barack needed a male influence, so the grandfather arranged for a male mentor, Frank Marshall Davis(FMD). FMD was literally a card-carryimng member of the Communist Party USA, and a producer of porn. Now what loving grandfather wouldn't want his teenaged grandson mentored by a pornography producer ? Good grief !

- Barack was never raised in the Christian church; was raised as a Muslim while in Africa and Indonesia (his mom, and her parents were irreligious, as can best be ascertained). His pastor in Chicago, who Barack claims as a mentor and dear friend, is a radical reparationist who is shunned by much of the Christian church.

- While in college, Barack himself states that he sought out the radicals, the leftists, the socialists.

- His job in Chicago, before becoming a Senator, was as a Community Organizer. Do you understand what that job title infers, and implies about a person's belief system ?

- A book Obma wrote was " Dreams From My Father." "From," not "of" or "about," but "from." Hmmm, an interesting piece of the pie added.

- Obama, was never taught capitalism. Has hardly worked in a capitalist system, a government employee practically his whole life. Is there ANY reason to believe that he understands ANYTHING about the benefits that capitalism has over communism ? No.

- Obama claims now to be a Christian, but he rarely attends church; he is for abortion on demand (even in last days of pregnancy), and he has recently proclaimed that he approves of *** marriage. There are many other "Christians" who do or believe those same things, but Christian teachings do not support either of those positions.

- Obama has spent more money than any President in history, and if he spends as he has requested, he will have spent more money than all US Presidents before him ,COMBINED !

-- I could go on, but you get my point.

--Now, IMO, he was not raised to appreciate the USA for the opportunity it provides to it's millions of citizens, and to the rest of the world. He was raised to think that the USA needs to be a socialist, if not communist, style givernment. That's what he means when he uses "change" as his operative word.

-- Now Sal, please tell me what it is about the foregoing statements that you think are good for a US President to believe or to have happened in his life.

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I am American born & raised. I love my country & I served for 20+ years in the US Army.

I do NOT understand why this message board has so many people who seem determined to press conflict, revolt, and even civil war?

America has always had it's hard years, as well as, it's good years.

I agree that President Obama has not done a very good job in his first term and seems to be off to a rough start on his second term.

It does seem that America has forgotten that the back bone of our country is it's working men & women.

It does seem that our social structure is breaking down, and the traditional 2 parent household is declining.

It does seem like our children are suffering with regulations, schools, and laws which do not seek to support their development.

Corporate greed seems to be the priority regardless of what it does to our country.

The middle class seems to be getting smaller and smaller and the 1% seem to be getting richer and richer.

Faith is under attack from all sides and special interest groups seem to gaining ground.

I think I could go on and on about our social woes, and wrongs that need to be righted.

BUT

Bottom line, I am an American. We may accept small faults, insults, and wrongs to an extent but there does come a time when we do raise up and make things right again. NOT be force of arms but by voice, and action via public outcry. I believe in the United States of America.

I honestly think that people that advocate violence as a means for change are NOT Americans. At least you do NOT think as Americans. This is what you see on the news happening in OTHER countries. Once in our history we had our Civil War. Once is enough!

I wish there were some way in which I could reach out and convince you that you are wrong but much like a drunk, hyporite, or racist it is not possible.

BUT this is America so think what you wish, voice your opinions, but the minute you decide to act on your wild ideas, thats where you cross the line.

GYm, remember you have some on this site that believe this just like the 2012 Mayan calendar ending and of course we are still here. People will believe anything if you keep repeating it and if you don't follow along they get mad. You have to learn to let them learn and understand that everything that comes from sites such as WMD, NWO or Alex Jones is not always true. Alex Jones makes alot of money of peddling items from sales from those who frequent his site. Got to keep the interest up so new customers or returning customers keep buying as his pockets get bigger.

Visit this link and see what i mean.

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While it might be a dead item, common sense really does work. I am not going to say that obama is the anti-christ, but I will say that no one is as sterilized in life as he is without it being created and created for a reason. I can go on line and most anything about anyone and I am no computer whiz. The fact that people have found very little about obama should disturb most people but the majority of people either does not care or are ignorant enough not to really think. It really is a problem that if most any other politician, especially a Republican, would have half as many questionable issue in their closet that the media would have a field day. But the voices are silent. Who really was Obama's mother, and what is her line? Who really was Obama's father and what was his line or beliefs? Where are his records. Some arrogantly made the comment that 'you don't have to have college records to be president'. While that is true it should be disturbing that a president who not only went to college and grad school but also taught does not have very many records available to the public. I know that all politicians secretly lie to the people. I really dislike that when it is so openly of lying that nothing is said.

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AMEN TO THAT!

If you don't march in lockstep here, you get negged for having an opinion.

It's all good. I only got -12. It's gotta be those damn Bush Republicans that are after me. hahahaha I thought it to be worse. I got more neg's two years ago when I put those hot chicks as my avatar. They hate Dem and women, go figure....

It's funny reading this stuff and I haven't posted in a long time. To even have a thought that there would be a civil war in America is the funniest comment ever... It's why I posted in the first place. Coookooo...

America is fine. Stop asking for money that's not yours and work. Stop crying about working and get something done at work. Looking for a job isn't www... It's actually looking for a job. When you actually work, you don't think about these crazy things." Civil war in America". When visiting me, don't ask me to sign your unemployment paper and you not fill out an application ( I get 10 a week). If you can't change how do you expect America to change?

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Government is needed. But should they tell you what to eat? How big a soda you should drink?

Should they force a person to have healthcare?

Should they tell you what you have to have in your own home? Should they be responsible for your safety from yourself? Should they tell you how to protect yourself ? Should they Make you cut off your pets reproductive organs? Should they tell you or your kids what clothes to wear.

Should they tell you what kind of lightbulb you must use? Should they tell you how to raise your children?

Once we let them in the door it's hard as heck to get them out!

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Government is needed. But should they tell you what to eat? How big a soda you should drink?

Should they force a person to have healthcare?

Should they tell you what you have to have in your own home? Should they be responsible for your safety from yourself? Should they tell you how to protect yourself ? Should they Make you cut off your pets reproductive organs? Should they tell you or your kids what clothes to wear.

Should they tell you what kind of lightbulb you must use? Should they tell you how to raise your children?

Once we let them in the door it's hard as heck to get them out!

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Well said, Sir...! :tiphat:

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WE are americans but you have a certain group of people who want to divide this country, last night the spending cuts the tea party wanted to reduce the budget went into effect.  By allowing this to happen is going to unseat the GOP once again.  Happen in 95 here we go again.  No civil war will happen, no one is going to take your guns.  Just another ploy for the wpns companies to further line their pockets off the back of those who think their 2nd amendment rights are going to be violated.  Sad but True.

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