THE BAD NEWS: We're about to get SCREWED...

[Snotrocket]

Election over, administration unleashes new rules

WASHINGTON (AP) -- While the "fiscal cliff" of looming tax increases and spending cuts dominates political conversation in Washington, some Republicans and business groups see signs of a "regulatory cliff" that they say could be just as damaging to the economy.

For months, federal agencies and the White House have sidetracked dozens of major regulations that cover everything from power plant pollution to workplace safety to a crackdown on Wall Street.

The rules had been largely put on hold during the presidential campaign as the White House sought to quiet Republican charges that President Barack Obama was an overzealous regulator who is killing U.S. jobs.

But since the election, the Obama administration has quietly reopened the regulations pipeline.

In recent weeks, the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to update water quality guidelines for beaches and other recreational waters and deal with runoff from logging roads. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, has proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto makers to include event data recorders - better known as "black boxes" - in all new cars and light trucks beginning in 2014.

The administration also has initiated several rules to implement its health care overhaul, including a new fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions.

Some GOP lawmakers fear the worst.

Obama has spent the past year "punting" on a slew of job-killing regulations that will be unleashed in a second term, said Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla. With the election over, it's now "full speed ahead" for federal rules limiting greenhouse gas emissions, requiring cleaner gasoline and putting controls on drilling for oil and natural gas, said Inhofe, the senior Republican on the Senate Environment Committee.

"Under an Obama EPA that has earned a reputation for abuse, American families will be subjected to a regulatory onslaught that will drive up energy prices, destroy millions of jobs and further weaken the economy," he wrote in a 14-page report on expected EPA regulations for 2013. The report predicts an influx of regulations that "spell doom for jobs and economic growth."

Read more... http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05

[Francie26]

Now that he has successfully dodged the truth about who he is and has gotten through the election so he can't be easily stopped, our very first non-American president is on the move again, even stronger this time, to destroy this country. I would like to know what he is doing sneakily, behind our collective backs, the things that we don't know about yet. And our mainstream news folks give him a pass. How did it come to this? America deserves better than this. I pray for Boehner, and our other republican congressmen, that they will hold tight and not give in, will insist on what is right, and will stay strong and firm in their resolve. Waffling will only allow this fake president to persist and win in his monstrous, determined efforts to destroy the greatest country the world has ever seen. And all for nothing.

[MyCadillac]

Election over, administration unleashes new rules

WASHINGTON (AP) -- While the "fiscal cliff" of looming tax increases and spending cuts dominates political conversation in Washington, some Republicans and business groups see signs of a "regulatory cliff" that they say could be just as damaging to the economy.

For months, federal agencies and the White House have sidetracked dozens of major regulations that cover everything from power plant pollution to workplace safety to a crackdown on Wall Street.

The rules had been largely put on hold during the presidential campaign as the White House sought to quiet Republican charges that President Barack Obama was an overzealous regulator who is killing U.S. jobs.

But since the election, the Obama administration has quietly reopened the regulations pipeline.

In recent weeks, the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to update water quality guidelines for beaches and other recreational waters and deal with runoff from logging roads. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, has proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto makers to include event data recorders - better known as "black boxes" - in all new cars and light trucks beginning in 2014.

The administration also has initiated several rules to implement its health care overhaul, including a new fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions.

Some GOP lawmakers fear the worst.

Obama has spent the past year "punting" on a slew of job-killing regulations that will be unleashed in a second term, said Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla. With the election over, it's now "full speed ahead" for federal rules limiting greenhouse gas emissions, requiring cleaner gasoline and putting controls on drilling for oil and natural gas, said Inhofe, the senior Republican on the Senate Environment Committee.

"Under an Obama EPA that has earned a reputation for abuse, American families will be subjected to a regulatory onslaught that will drive up energy prices, destroy millions of jobs and further weaken the economy," he wrote in a 14-page report on expected EPA regulations for 2013. The report predicts an influx of regulations that "spell doom for jobs and economic growth."

Read more... http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_REGULATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-13-03-21-05

A crackdown on Wallstreet would be good.

[truthful1]

Now that he has successfully dodged the truth about who he is and has gotten through the election so he can't be easily stopped, our very first non-American president is on the move again, even stronger this time, to destroy this country. I would like to know what he is doing sneakily, behind our collective backs, the things that we don't know about yet. And our mainstream news folks give him a pass. How did it come to this? America deserves better than this. I pray for Boehner, and our other republican congressmen, that they will hold tight and not give in, will insist on what is right, and will stay strong and firm in their resolve. Waffling will only allow this fake president to persist and win in his monstrous, determined efforts to destroy the greatest country the world has ever seen. And all for nothing.

John boehner is already caving,given his public comments. He better not raise the debt ceiling, or give obama the free pass to do with it as he pleases. if the government shuts down.....good. maybe then it can pay its bills. They have to quit spending more than we americans give them. they are screwing us and future generations......which will only lead them to change the rules to social security, screwing us over on money theyve taken and supposedly stored for us, for our elderly income. they need to do nothing and definitely not increase the debt ceiling. obama cant spend any money that way. which means were all better off

but...i believe republicans will caveright before the new year. if the government shuts down.....how are all those congressmen going to get their hundreds of thousands a year for doing nothing. Both the parties suck. they dont care about making america better, its about not letting the other political party win.

Obama will win this situation by default. automatic defense cuts, raise taxes on everyone, heck thays exactly what he wants. only he gets to blame the congress. win win, by doing nothing.

Edited December 13, 2012 by truthful1

[TAV]

LOLOL, change is a-coming!!! The days of the good ole' boys are over. Monopoly days are over. The markets will allow for entry of newer corporations

[truthful1]

LOLOL, change is a-coming!!! The days of the good ole' boys are over. Monopoly days are over. The markets will allow for entry of newer corporations

Is that were the government takes more of our money, then runs out of it, only to sequester and cut the benefits theyve all promised. is this where they come aftr those so called rich people, then the rich people liquidate and keep their money in their safe? i heard a rumor....guess what those rich people do with their money......they spend it. open businesses, hirer people, keep those people at the fancy restaurants and hotels in jobs, they buy those yachts, which gives the poor man a manufacturing and a maintenance business. yeah lets go after those evil people. those days of a prosperous america are over. no more $1.15/gallon gas...weneed to pay our fair share. we should at least be paying $5.00/gallon minimum. itll make people drive less....and help the planet while conserving our resources. sattire...got to love it

A crackdown on Wallstreet would be good.

Those so-called doing the crackdown.......bailed out wallstreet. how about that! Bailed out those rich schemers. when they couldve paid every mortgage in the country, with all the money the gov spent on bailouts. yeah, their looking out for the little guy.

[caz1104]

Taxation is NOT the answer to our countries woes,its gov spending. Until that is addressed nothing will change except less money in ALL citizens wallets. Our Gov seems hellbent on class warfare to circumvent/sidestep their failures-jmo

[truthful1]

Taxation is NOT the answer to our countries woes,its gov spending. Until that is addressed nothing will change except less money in ALL citizens wallets. Our Gov seems hellbent on class warfare to circumvent/sidestep their failures-jmo

So true. this is really just a big joke. last year on the debt ceiling, they named a supercommitte, which did jack, only to pass the buck down the road. now its here again and they want to do the same thing. obama talking spending cuts ten years out. give me a break.

[DiveDeepSix]

You are right Snot, 51% of the people do deserve what they are about to get, unfortunately we are all about to get screwed. What's really sad is after O finishes destroying America as we know it the idiots who elected him still won't blame him for his failures. Four years from now, and 8 total under the worst imported president we've ever seen guess what the battle cry will be?...........Yep, you guessed it IT'S STILL BUSH'S FAULT. When are the whiners going to take the blame? NEVER!! The whole generation lacks any sense of personal responsibility whatsoever, it's gimme gimme gimme! This is the kind of people Obama is breeding for his new Socialist States of America!

Come on Texas secede, and my @$$ will be moving down there so fast the lights will still be left on in the house. I'd love to see the US split apart, so we hardworking, personally responsible, God fearing, gun toting, country loving types would have a place well away from the parasites destroying this country. It's like a virus choking the life blood out of this country, makes me sick! Then you have the biggest parasite of all, most powerful man in the world, and he's still living in government housing!!

[caz1104]

So true. this is really just a big joke. last year on the debt ceiling, they named a supercommitte, which did jack, only to pass the buck down the road. now its here again and they want to do the same thing. obama talking spending cuts ten years out. give me a break.

So True,pathetic really. Both sides are a joke. I vote kick them all out of office & start fresh. Mandate term limits(2),no lifetime pensions or benefits,and lastly once out of office NO working for special interests groups. If we did the above I think we the people would really see change and people that are truly interested in serving US not THEMSELVES-jmo

[lakedreamer]

What do you have against clean air and clean water? I have worked in the long term care industry for many years and I know that all of your grandmothers would still be treated like cattle if it wasn't for the state and federal

governments having to step in and force private industry to do the bare minimum to properly take care of the elderly in this country. Doing the right thing cuts into profits, and many American companies will not voluntarily

cut profits even if it means saving lives.

[OrDinarE]

Now that he has successfully dodged the truth about who he is and has gotten through the election so he can't be easily stopped, our very first non-American president is on the move again, even stronger this time, to destroy this country. I would like to know what he is doing sneakily, behind our collective backs, the things that we don't know about yet. And our mainstream news folks give him a pass. How did it come to this? America deserves better than this. I pray for Boehner, and our other republican congressmen, that they will hold tight and not give in, will insist on what is right, and will stay strong and firm in their resolve. Waffling will only allow this fake president to persist and win in his monstrous, determined efforts to destroy the greatest country the world has ever seen. And all for nothing.

Delusional?!?!

[Kimjackie]

Well DUH !!!!!! this is why the people that voted for Obama are uniformed and idiotic................In fact a recent survey was done and those people that voted for Obama were questioned and actually answered they didnt like all this happening and so they now know they should have voted Republican..........

[Timberwolf3]

Delusional?!?!

That's right, obama is delusional!!!

[OrDinarE]

That's right, obama is delusional!!!

As a somewhat impartial observer....I would definitely have to say that a lot of folks here on DV are. But hey, what do I know!

[desimo]

People knew what was coming but refused to make a big deal over the facts. The obama bill was talked about but the media refused to do their jobs and reveal the inner aspects. Pelosi should be ran from office with her stupid idea of sign it so you can see what is inside. Obama is not done with America. I fear he is only beginning. I personally expect him to start going all 'brown shirt' against anyone who opposes him The election was a scam in that you know that to have areas where not even ONE vote went for the opposition does not happen wihtout help and having it created. The media is part of the problem. The government is NOT there to help. Get ready people because the ride is just beginning.

[tigerstripes]

Election over, administration unleashes new rules

WASHINGTON (AP) -- While the "fiscal cliff" of looming tax increases and spending cuts dominates political conversation in Washington, some Republicans and business groups see signs of a "regulatory cliff" that they say could be just as damaging to the economy.

For months, federal agencies and the White House have sidetracked dozens of major regulations that cover everything from power plant pollution to workplace safety to a crackdown on Wall Street.

The rules had been largely put on hold during the presidential campaign as the White House sought to quiet Republican charges that President Barack Obama was an overzealous regulator who is killing U.S. jobs.

But since the election, the Obama administration has quietly reopened the regulations pipeline.

In recent weeks, the Environmental Protection Agency has proposed rules to update water quality guidelines for beaches and other recreational waters and deal with runoff from logging roads. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, meanwhile, has proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto makers to include event data recorders - better known as "black boxes" - in all new cars and light trucks beginning in 2014.

The administration also has initiated several rules to implement its health care overhaul, including a new fee to cushion the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions.

Some GOP lawmakers fear the worst.

Obama has spent the past year "punting" on a slew of job-killing regulations that will be unleashed in a second term, said Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla. With the election over, it's now "full speed ahead" for federal rules limiting greenhouse gas emissions, requiring cleaner gasoline and putting controls on drilling for oil and natural gas, said Inhofe, the senior Republican on the Senate Environment Committee.

"Under an Obama EPA that has earned a reputation for abuse, American families will be subjected to a regulatory onslaught that will drive up energy prices, destroy millions of jobs and further weaken the economy," he wrote in a 14-page report on expected EPA regulations for 2013. The report predicts an influx of regulations that "spell doom for jobs and economic growth."

Read more... http://hosted.ap.org...-12-13-03-21-05

Interestingly, you left off the bottom part of the article. For those that don't read links, here it is...

Environmental groups say fears of a second-term regulatory deluge are overstated.

"At this point it still has the appearance of being more of a trickle than a flood," said Frank O'Donnell, president of the environmental group Clean Air Watch. "I don't see the hard evidence" of an avalanche of rules.

The EPA is principally focused on meeting court-ordered deadlines, such as Friday's deadline for a rule intended to reduce the amount of soot that can be released into the air, O'Donnell and others said. Other high-profile rules and initiatives are being rolled out more slowly, if at all.

Randy Rabinowitz, director of regulatory policy at OMB Watch, a private group that tracks federal rules, said regulations now being released are long overdue - in some cases months or even years after federal guidelines say they should have been published.

"We've been disappointed that Obama has been a tepid regulator" in his first term, Rabinowitz said, adding that she hopes the administration "moves more vigorously to protect the public from harm" in a second term.

"I would love for the election to be interpreted as a mandate for Obama to move forward with stronger protections for the public," she said.

A spokeswoman for the White House Office of Management and Budget, the gatekeeper for federal regulations, said the administration is focused on protecting public health and safety while avoiding unnecessary burdens on business.

"We intend to continue that approach moving forward, including careful analysis of costs and benefits as well as a commitment to protecting the health, welfare and safety of the American people at the same time that we promote economic growth," OMB spokeswoman Moira Mack wrote in an email.

In January 2011, Obama ordered all federal agencies to get rid of rules that were excessively burdensome, redundant, inconsistent or overlapping. The ax fell on hundreds of regulations, with moves made to streamline tax forms, let railroad companies pass on installing expensive technology and speed up the visa process for low-risk visitors to the U.S. The administration said the moves would save businesses about $10 billion over five years and spur job growth.

But some Republicans and business groups say new regulations, on top of rules already issued by the administration, could strangle the economy just as it begins to grow.

A new study by the National Association of Manufacturers claims major new EPA rules could cost manufacturers hundreds of billions of dollars and eliminate millions of American jobs.

The report, issued in late November, said compliance costs for six major EPA regulations - including rules limiting air and water pollution from coal- and oil-fired power plants - could total up to $111 billion by government estimates and up to $138 billion by industry estimates. Construction costs could total $500 billion, it said.

Jay Timmons, president and CEO of the manufacturing group, warned of a "devastating ripple effect" that could be felt throughout the U.S. economy if federal rules are not relaxed or delayed. Some manufacturers are likely to "close their doors for good" because of EPA rules, Timmons said.

Susan Dudley, director of the Regulatory Studies Center at George Washington University and the former head of a Bush administration regulatory office, said she has not seen a postelection surge in federal rule-making.

"It doesn't look like the floodgates are opening," she said, adding that with four more years in office, Obama is in no rush to implement rules that could damage a fragile economy.

The slowdown fits a pattern, Dudley said. During his first two years in office, Obama published a "record-setting" average of 63 economically significant final rules per year, she said, a pace that slowed to about 50 major rules in 2011 and fewer than two dozen this year.

Dudley said she expects a second Obama term to be more like his first two years in office than his third and fourth years - in part because so many federal rules that have been started have been put on hold.

One of the most high-profile delays was on a pledge to set stricter limits for lung-damaging smog. President George W. Bush had shunned the advice of independent scientists who said the current ozone standard was too weak. Under Obama, the EPA had promised to change that, only to have the White House put on the brakes in September 2011, explaining it was acting to reduce regulatory burdens and uncertainty in a shaky economy. A new ozone rule is now likely to be finalized next year.

Other environmental regulations, including a rule to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from refineries and to lower the sulfur content in gasoline, are far behind schedule. EPA officials have said not to expect them anytime soon.

In the area of worker safety, the Obama administration said more than two years ago it would fight a resurgence of black lung disease, but a rule to set new standards for lung-damaging coal dust has languished at the Labor Department. A rule to protect workers at construction sites and glass manufacturing operations from cancer-causing silica also has been delayed.

[Snotrocket]

Interestingly, you left off the bottom part of the article. For those that don't read links, here it is...

Environmental groups say fears of a second-term regulatory deluge are overstated.....

I included the link just for you ;)/> but no one here really cares what the "environmental groups" or the "whitehouse OMB spokeswoman" says or thinks. Those of us that live in the real world know this is just going to further destroy jobs and the economy.

[snooz]

I think big O as just started to learn the real meaning of the word "CUT"

[tigerstripes]

I included the link just for you /> but no one here really cares what the "environmental groups" or the "whitehouse OMB spokeswoman" says or thinks. Those of us that live in the real world know this is just going to further destroy jobs and the economy.

But the second half of the article says, from a number of different sources, that it is unlikely that this burdesome regulation will be rushed through.......

So, the first half of the article talks about "some GOP lawmakers" fearing the worst. And the second half of the article contains a number of sources including:

EPA

OMB Watch (Private Group)

White House Office of Management and Budget

Director of the Rgulatory Studies Center at George Washington University

And these sources all state that there is no evidence of burdensome legislation being rushed through.

The second half of the article also cites the CEO of the manufacturing group - saying that if some of the legislation was passed it would have a negative effect on business.

And he's quite possibly correct. But, as above, there is no evidence of it actually happening!

On a side note - which of the regulations that are suddenly going to hit like a tidal wave (yes - sarcasm) do you have particular concerns about?

[Snotrocket]

But the second half of the article says, from a number of different sources, that it is unlikely that this burdesome regulation will be rushed through.......

So, the first half of the article talks about "some GOP lawmakers" fearing the worst. And the second half of the article contains a number of sources including:

EPA

OMB Watch (Private Group)

White House Office of Management and Budget

Director of the Rgulatory Studies Center at George Washington University

And these sources all state that there is no evidence of burdensome legislation being rushed through.

The second half of the article also cites the CEO of the manufacturing group - saying that if some of the legislation was passed it would have a negative effect on business.

And he's quite possibly correct. But, as above, there is no evidence of it actually happening!

On a side note - which of the regulations that are suddenly going to hit like a tidal wave (yes - sarcasm) do you have particular concerns about?

EPA Liberal

OMB Watch (Private Group) Liberal

White House Office of Management and Budget Liberal

Director of the Rgulatory Studies Center at George Washington University Liberal

And these sources all state that there is no evidence of burdensome legislation being rushed through. Well...that makes me feel so much better. At least they admit the legislation is "budensome"...and it IS coming....just no evidence that it's being "rushed through". That's great news...don't you agree?

None of these people create jobs or know a damn thing about taking personal risk to run a business that creates jobs. There is almost no common sense to many of the proposed regulations.... they are road blocks to prosperity. Should these people have the power and influence to cripple our economy and small businesses with an endless stream of burdensome regulations (implimented at ANY pace)? NO, THEY SHOULD NOT! We need less regulation....government should get out of the way.

Which regulations do I disapprove of? Thanks for asking. Just about all of them. Every healthcare BOONDOGGLE we know about (and especially the ones we don't know about yet), black boxes in cars and trucks, ALL the "green" nonsense, probably 90% of the inefficient regs of the EPA....... I saw something this morning about how the EPA wants to regulate creek water in Virginia as a pollutant costing homeowners and businesses their private property as well as nearly a half billion dollars ( http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/13/virginia-sues-epa-to-stop-land-takeover/ ) :blink:/> WTH? AND THAT'S JUST ONE....... here's 252,296 MORE proposed government regulations we could probably live without....

http://regulations.justia.com/

[tigerstripes]

EPA Liberal

OMB Watch (Private Group) Liberal

White House Office of Management and Budget Liberal

Director of the Rgulatory Studies Center at George Washington University Liberal

And these sources all state that there is no evidence of burdensome legislation being rushed through. Well...that makes me feel so much better. At least they admit the legislation is "budensome"...and it IS coming....just no evidence that it's being "rushed through". That's great news...don't you agree?

Well, yes. Of course I agree. And that's what everybody is saying. There is no evidence that any of it is being rushed through. The GOP and the National Association of Manufacturers are saying that any new regulations could cost billions - but of course they would say that.

Susan Dudley, director of the Regulatory Studies Center at George Washington University and the former head of a Bush administration regulatory office, said she has not seen a postelection surge in federal rule-making.

"It doesn't look like the floodgates are opening," she said, adding that with four more years in office, Obama is in no rush to implement rules that could damage a fragile economy.

Any new regulations will have a financial impact on the business - but the statement above suggests that while the economy is still fragile, there is not going to be a rush on new regulations.

What I'm essentially saying is that there would appear to be some unfounded "sensationalising" regarding imminent regulations although there is no actual evidence of it happeninng.

You're initial post with the headline "We're about to be SCREWED" would seem to perpetuate the sensationalism.

None of these people create jobs or know a damn thing about taking personal risk to run a business that creates jobs. There is almost no common sense to many of the proposed regulations.... they are road blocks to prosperity. Should these people have the power and influence to cripple our economy and small businesses with an endless stream of burdensome regulations (implimented at ANY pace)? NO, THEY SHOULD NOT! We need less regulation....government should get out of the way.

Which regulations do I disapprove of? Thanks for asking. Just about all of them. Every healthcare BOONDOGGLE we know about (and especially the ones we don't know about yet), black boxes in cars and trucks, ALL the "green" nonsense, probably 90% of the inefficient regs of the EPA....... I saw something this morning about how the EPA wants to regulate creek water in Virginia as a pollutant costing homeowners and businesses their private property as well as nearly a half billion dollars ( http://www.foxnews.c...-land-takeover/ ) /> WTH? AND THAT'S JUST ONE....... here's 252,296 MORE proposed government regulations we could probably live without....

http://regulations.justia.com/

Okay - so "just about all of them".

We obviously have a difference of opinion when it comes to matters of care of the environment, workers health and safety, public health and safety etc..

Personally, I think that new standards protecting people from lung damaging coal dust and cancer causing silica would be a good thing. You apparently disagree.

Perhaps you could name some regulations that you do agree with. That would obviously be a much shorter list.

With regard to the foxnews link you posted it would appear as though there has been a significant increase in development in the area without corresponding improvement to stormwater infrastructure, or with any regard to runoff issues associated with the development. The responses to the article below suggest that much of the infill development since the 90's has caused issues with regard to stormwater runoff, lack of permeable surfaces etc that has caused issues with "downstream" flooding.

One comment also suggests that the county has been approving infill developments and saying to the developer that they will have to be responsible for stormwater facilities maintenance - essentially offloading county responsibility to the homeowners.

In any case, it will now go to court and they will make a decision on whether or not the regulations will be enforced.

http://annandaleva.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/fxco-sues-epa-over-stormwater-runoff.html

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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Oh, TIGERSTRIPES...

tsk, tsk and gobble, gobble.

[tigerstripes]

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Oh, TIGERSTRIPES...

tsk, tsk and gobble, gobble.

Errr,,,,,,thanks for the input.

[OrDinarE]

Errr,,,,,,thanks for the input.

Trust me, thats about the most thought provoking input you'll receive from the 'Ol Sarge' (or his daughters) (my opinion of course)