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The FAA (Federal Aviation Adminitration) has no jurisdiction in Iraq nor does it make decisions regarding Iraqi Airspace The Iraq Civil Aviation Authority does. Gurus should do their homework in order to pass off their lies half way believable.

The FAA memos notwithstanding, I agree with you R Veyron relative to the letter of the law in terms of what you are saying... Indeed I ran next door to my pentagon AF LtC colleague to make sure something didn't change.... (well that I and wanted some of that steak they had on the BBQ, along with homemade Christmas cookies)

It may be minicing words, however God is in the details.....

In short and absent legalese, FAA is a US agency tasked with the safety of US registered (etc US) aircraft. They are responsible for the safety of citizens on US registered aircraft. When the FAA decides based upon agreements, treaties, etc etc with other soverign nations that the airspace over those nations is safe for passage of US registered aricraft, in that they are allowed and/or have no remaining restrictions against the US, they will "open" the airspace in allowing US aircraft to traverse that airspace (e.g., even Cuba allows us at cruising levels on specific paths).

It remains that the FAA does not control or dictate or have jurisdictional authority to regulate the airspace of another soverign country. If a soverign nation does not want us in their airspace the FAA can not simply "open" the airspace of that country because the FAA decided it was okay for US aircraft to cruise through their sky...

Again, its a details thing, but maybe important to understanding what we do and do not regulate around the world. biggrin.gif

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I understand that the US has no control over the Iraq airspace. But perhaps something is being lost in the translation ...IMO it may be that they are saying that the FAA has agreed to allow US planes to fly in and LEAVE Iraq. LOL. Sorry, I just thought of how funny that sounded as I typed it. The point is, everyone has their opinions. Everyone has heard Frank's thoughts on the matter. This is a country of free speach. I respect everyone's opinion.

Thanks for your time in bringing the post over. I hope some part of it is true. The main thing is that we ALL want to see this happen and we ALL are hoping on sooner rather than later. Who knows...maybe Frank and Delta have it right. Only time will tell. I mean...what's the odds? It is going to happen. And I think it is going to happen soon. So, lets hope this might have some good intel.

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Actually they can and they did. This applies to all United States Planes & Pilots, you can see how this is a big deal.

from - The FAA Online Database

Special Federal Aviation Regulation

14 CFR Part 91

Docket No. FAA-2003-14766; SFAR No. 77

Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq; Approval Process for Requests for Authorization to Operate in Iraqi Airspace

Regulatory Information

Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq; Approval Process for Requests for Authorization to Operate in Iraqi Airspace

Special Federal Aviation Regulation No. 77--Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq

1. Applicability. This rule applies to the following persons:

(a ) All U.S. air carriers or commercial operators;

(b ) All persons exercising the privileges of an airman certificate issued by the FAA except such persons operating U.S.-registered aircraft for a foreign air carrier; or

(c ) All operators of aircraft registered in the United States except where the operator of such aircraft is a foreign air carrier.

2. Flight prohibition. No person may conduct flight operations over or within the territory of Iraq except as provided in

paragraphs 3 and 4 of this SFAR or except as follows:

(a ) Overflights of Iraq may be conducted above flight level (FL) 200 subject to the approval of, and in accordance with the conditions established by, the appropriate authorities of Iraq.

(b ) Flights departing from countries adjacent to Iraq whose climb performance will not permit operation above FL 200 prior to Iraqi airspace may operate at altitudes below FL 200 within Iraq to the extent necessary to permit a climb above FL 200, subject to the approval of, and in accordance with the conditions established by, the appropriate authorities of Iraq.

(c ) [Reserved]

3. Permitted operations. This SFAR does not prohibit persons described in paragraph 1 from conducting flight operations within the territory and airspace of Iraq when such operations are authorized either by another agency of the United States Government with the approval of the FAA or by an exemption issued by the Administrator.

4. Emergency situations. In an emergency that requires immediate decision and action for the safety of the flight, the pilot in command of an aircraft may deviate from this SFAR to the extent required by that emergency. Except for U.S. air carriers or commercial operators that are subject to the requirements of 14 CFR parts 119, 121, or 135, each person who deviates from this rule shall, within ten (10) days of the deviation, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and Federal holidays, submit to the nearest FAA Flight Standards District Office a complete report of the operations of the aircraft involved in the deviation including a description of the deviation and the reasons therefore.

5. Expiration. This Special Federal Aviation Regulation will remain in effect until further notice.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

04/20/2004

TERMINATION DATE:

Until Further Notice

Ametad -

The responder was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT about the FAA having absolutely no JURISDICTIONAL or REGULATORY authority regarding Iraqi airspace. The FAA DOES have certain limited operational regulatory authority over US Registered aircraft, US Common Carriers and even US LICENSED PILOTS in operations ANYWHERE.

However, the United States is only ONE of the member countries of ICAO, and none of the others are either obligated to pay any attention to or otherwise be interested or concerned with the restrictions or directives from our FAA (which apply ONLY to US Civil operations). Even THIS is a non-issue when a civil aircraft is CONTRACTED by any federal, state or local government agency to fly on IT'S behalf ANYWHERE in Iraq. No other US entity operating aircraft (Military, NASA, the Postal Service, the Forest Service or even the local SHERIFF's Department) need pay any attention to what the FAA says unless they CHOOSE to do so. Believe it or not, MANY pilots from the United States hold both their PILOT'S CERTIFICATES, specific aircraft endorsements (Type Ratings) and MEDICAL CERTIFICATES from other ICAO member countries and many WORK for carriers in those OTHER countries.

Not too many years ago when the American aviation icon, Bob Hoover, was illegally DEPRIVED of his US Medical by unethical and illegal conduct on the part of the FAA, until they were embarassed sufficiently and the illegal conspiracy they conducted was publically exposed and they were forced to correct their "mistake," Bob simply sought help from one of the other ICAO-member nations and acquired his certificates from them that he was deprived of here.

He continued his flights here without fear of our FAA. Had the FAA refused to accept that ICAO member country's flight authority given to Mr. Hoover, ALL US PILOTS faced the same treatment when trying to fly in THAT country.

In short, our FAA is not "ALL POWERFUL." Over the past several decades it has become noticably more ONEROUS, of course, and most General Aviation and Air Carrier Flight Safety Inspectors have never even READ the first portion of the Act which CREATED the FAA. That is why US Airlines have such a terrible DISADVANTAGE trying to compete with other countries and are losing their SHORTS! Other countries support and ENCOURAGE commercial civil aviation. Ours RESTRICTS, LIMITS, REGULATES, TAXES and CONTROLS commercial aviation and FAILS to apply reciprocity to the unfair advantages which others enjoy against us while COMPETING for the same passenger and air cargo traffic.

But the bottom line is very clear: our FAA does NOT describe, limit, control or otherwise have ANY impact or authority over Iraqi airspace. Iraq, as an independent nation controls that, except for the obligations made and still in-force under the military dictates of the coalition members involved in the Iraqi war.

When Iraq is eventually freed-up to be made a full member of the International Civil Aviation Organization, any restrictive regulatory consideration placed upon it regarding free access by all other members by our FAA, the United States will be subject to a full reciprocity by ALL OTHER ICAO member countries. This principle of reciprocity is called, "WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD fOR THE GANDER."

As regards guru's knowing anything about International Civil Aviation Law or authority of DGCA rules of other countries. . .why would it be any better than their knowledge of Iraqi currency? At this point, guru's (especially Frank26) have shown they know NOTHING! Perhaps Frank knows how to fix a FAJITA. After all, it was INVENTED in South Texas near the valley where he and blue couches come from.

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KRASHster ---- if we could bring you home and send Frank(enWeenie) and Okie over

in your place, we would in a heartbeat.

Truth be known, it would probably take 100 of them to equal 1 of you, man.

Hang in there, Bro! :salute: .....

we're leaving a candle burning in the window for ya....

God Bless & Keep You Until We see you home again.

Love, Sarge'sGals

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Actually they can and they did. This applies to all United States Planes & Pilots, you can see how this is a big deal.

from - The FAA Online Database

Special Federal Aviation Regulation

14 CFR Part 91

Docket No. FAA-2003-14766; SFAR No. 77

Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq; Approval Process for Requests for Authorization to Operate in Iraqi Airspace

Regulatory Information

Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq; Approval Process for Requests for Authorization to Operate in Iraqi Airspace

Special Federal Aviation Regulation No. 77--Prohibition Against Certain Flights Within the Territory and Airspace of Iraq

1. Applicability. This rule applies to the following persons:

(a ) All U.S. air carriers or commercial operators;

(b ) All persons exercising the privileges of an airman certificate issued by the FAA except such persons operating U.S.-registered aircraft for a foreign air carrier; or

(c ) All operators of aircraft registered in the United States except where the operator of such aircraft is a foreign air carrier.

2. Flight prohibition. No person may conduct flight operations over or within the territory of Iraq except as provided in

paragraphs 3 and 4 of this SFAR or except as follows:

(a ) Overflights of Iraq may be conducted above flight level (FL) 200 subject to the approval of, and in accordance with the conditions established by, the appropriate authorities of Iraq.

(b ) Flights departing from countries adjacent to Iraq whose climb performance will not permit operation above FL 200 prior to Iraqi airspace may operate at altitudes below FL 200 within Iraq to the extent necessary to permit a climb above FL 200, subject to the approval of, and in accordance with the conditions established by, the appropriate authorities of Iraq.

(c ) [Reserved]

3. Permitted operations. This SFAR does not prohibit persons described in paragraph 1 from conducting flight operations within the territory and airspace of Iraq when such operations are authorized either by another agency of the United States Government with the approval of the FAA or by an exemption issued by the Administrator.

4. Emergency situations. In an emergency that requires immediate decision and action for the safety of the flight, the pilot in command of an aircraft may deviate from this SFAR to the extent required by that emergency. Except for U.S. air carriers or commercial operators that are subject to the requirements of 14 CFR parts 119, 121, or 135, each person who deviates from this rule shall, within ten (10) days of the deviation, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and Federal holidays, submit to the nearest FAA Flight Standards District Office a complete report of the operations of the aircraft involved in the deviation including a description of the deviation and the reasons therefore.

5. Expiration. This Special Federal Aviation Regulation will remain in effect until further notice.

EFFECTIVE DATE:

04/20/2004

TERMINATION DATE:

Until Further Notice

It doesn't seem to apply to airlines of other countries. Only U.S. air carriers and commercial operators, etc.

So, the FAA does not have jurisdiction over Iraq but only over carriers and operators in the U.S.

In other words, SwissAir and Luftansa can fly over Iraq without the FAA's approval.

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