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Just a hypothetical...or whatever some wish to call it?....No matter what happens, first of all, the end of this thing is'nt over yet, or as per the final bell being rung as per the finality of it all...so, if we have some that have long term gains, whcih we have, and some have had short term losses, as per buying and then not holding, by just turning around and selling dinars back before waiting for the end of this to play out...so with that...here is what I want to figure out...I may be wrong on some of this, but hear me out..

Has'nt Kuwait got the most valuable currency on the planet?....

Don't Kuwaiti's..upon birth, get liike a million dollars or so, or in that equivalence in US Dollars?

Don't Kuwait's..every man, woman and child...get like $50-60,000.00 in US equivalence...every year as a stipend..or something to that effect...from like the oil revunues over there?

Has'nt Iraq's currency...at one time or another..or numerous times..had a high value in relation to now?

Is'nt Kuwait trying...along with Iraq trying...to iron out their differences...and for what?..Would it perhaps be a monetary thing going on over there?...And why such hooplah over it getting done, even most International Monetary Entities want not only these issues resolved, but many others as well...and why?...Is this about money?...Can anyone with an IQ of even a (1) not be able to read between the lines here?

Here's where I'm going with this...Kuwait, as per recent news coming out of the middle east...has been jumping head over heels into Iraq and Iraqi Investments...as per building banks, hotels, billions being invested into the Iraqi Stock Exchange, they claimed that they will be invested in every sector of Iraq...and again, I ask for what?...Could there perhaps be a gain to be realized somewhere eventually in this "toilet paper money" country?

If I were Kuwait, with the most valuable currency, and I knew that I was financially already set...why worry over my neighbors and risk losing it all...as some on these blogs state...by doing anything in Iraq at all...especially if they dont need to or have to?

I've always noticed that wealth follows wealth and not poverty...I may lose everything in this investment...but so be it...as I will have went down with the biggest of the biggest...or in my opinion...but you know what...(I'M FOLLOWING THE MONEY)...AND "IT AINT OVER TILL IT'S OVER"...SO WHY FRET!...AND WHAT IS THERE TO WORRY ABOUT AS PER WHAT MAY "NOT" HAPPEN.....NEITHER HAS HAPPEND YET...AND ALL KINDS OF CONCLUSIONS ARE ALREADY ON THE TABLE....PEOPLE CRYING AND WHINING OVER "WHAT IF".....I MAY WAKE UP TOMORROW AND FIND THAT THE U.S. DOLLAR HAS TANKED...SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID...EVERYTHING COULD TANK EVERYWHERE...BUT YOU KNOW WHAT...THE DINAR HAD'NT TANKED YET...SO UNTIL IT DOES...EITHER DUMP AND RUN...OR HANG ON AND RIDE!...LOL...

P.S. HOW CAN I BE SCARED OF THIS IN COMPARISON TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE...ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS JUST LOOK AROUND...THERE IS PLENTY THAT THEY CAN WRITE ABOUT THAT IS, OR HAS ALREADY TANKED...I SEE MORE BAD PUT OUT ABOUT THIS, AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 10 YEARS, AND IT HAS'NT TANKED YET...HOW RETARDED...IMO...

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You have posited a false dichotomy. Just because Communism didn't work doesn't mean that Capitalism will not fail. If capitalism were working as it should, the rich would be getting richer, and everyone else would also be better off. That's not what is happening in the U.S. The rich are aggregating a greater and greater percentage of the wealth, while more and more people are falling into poverty. Their relative poverty to other country's is irrelevant.

The wealthy's involvement in economic rent seeking strategies, when combined with technology's devastating effects on middle class jobs, and the moving of manufacturing jobs to other countries, is gutting the middle class, and will ultimately result in people shooting at each other, I'm afraid.

You actually are guilty of singling out voice and disregarding vox. I qualified my post with the clause: "Capitalism is not perfect, but I guarantee the standard of living for all is better under capitalism than under communism."

We could go around and around with circular reasoning all day, though: Just because communism didn't work doesn't mean capitalism will fail, also. This type of argument accomplishes nothing, however.

To say that the relative poverty, when comparing a capitalistic country to a communistic country, is not relevant is absurd. That's like saying let's compare two specimens but we can't look at any of the evidence, we can only discuss theory. Truth equals that which corresponds to reality...

I would argue that when a country is slipping into a soft-socialism it's not always easy to give capitalism a pure grade. If you want to get a non-theoretical view of this try opening and operating your own business for about 5 years. I can speak from experience when I say between constantly changing government regulations (almost never to the more lenient side), stifling taxation, ever-changing workers rights, etc. (ie. governmentally induced repression borderlining on control) it's amazing when a capitalistic profit is turned at all! To anyone who has run a successful business there is no mystery as to why manufacturers are leaving.

To my knowledge people don't come up with an idea, sacrifice and save, and then put in the blood sweat and tears it takes to make it happen for the expressed purpose of paying workers a fair wage. They do it, most of the time, because they believe in what they are doing and they are trying to turn a profit to sustain themselves and their family. As the fledgling company begins to grow they hire people to assist them in their venture. But, again, the purpose of starting the company wasn't to pay for someone else's health care....

You know, it's a shame what is happening to this country. There used to be a time when young American's would finish school at a young age, they would get a low level job to put their feet in the waters of the free market, but they wouldn't be content that that was their station in life. They would look at it as a stepping stone to bigger and greater things. With wide-eyed wonder, hope, and determination they would work hard, learn something, and start their own businesses. They would venture out into the great wide open and would almost consider it an insult or an act of shame to receive assistance, especially from the government (Ask not what your country can do for you...). It was true rugged individualism in action and our country prospered. People looked at the successful with admiration at would could be accomplished, not with spitefulness.

You know what I see today? All young folks want is to be comfortable. They head out the exit doors of their government run coddling centers (public education system, including the majority of universities) with their hands held directly out expecting to be taken care of simply because of how wonderful they are. All they know is dependency! There is no drive to do something great, to go all in on a dream, do or die. It's only about wanting to have money and living life in comfort. That's a main reason why we are really failing. It's not these class warfare concepts you are espousing where the poor are being exploted by the rich. It's the entitlement mentality of a new generation of Americans who have grown up in comfort who know virtually nothing about true hardship. But they are going to get their taste of hardship soon as the tentacles of large government grow ever tighter and increasingly larger around our once great economic engine, the once free market experiment we knew as America.

So the mindset, rather than to acheive, is to look at success and feel anger and a sense of unfairness as to why those people have money and I don't. "I'm special after all," they think. From this mindset it's an easy transition to: "It's not fair, we are being exploited," they exclaim to the drumbeat of the great red drums of Marxism. And that's really all this is, friend.

I guess I could end my soap box speech with some kind of witty attack on your overwhelming use of class warfare rhetoric.... But I have poured my heart into this post and don't want to cheapen it. In light of that I will leave you with a real truth, if you are able to accept it, as it is the only real way for men to experience freedom:

"Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." John 8:36

WW.

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Just a hypothetical...or whatever some wish to call it?....No matter what happens, first of all, the end of this thing is'nt over yet, or as per the final bell being rung as per the finality of it all...so, if we have some that have long term gains, whcih we have, and some have had short term losses, as per buying and then not holding, by just turning around and selling dinars back before waiting for the end of this to play out...so with that...here is what I want to figure out...I may be wrong on some of this, but hear me out..

Has'nt Kuwait got the most valuable currency on the planet?....

Don't Kuwaiti's..upon birth, get liike a million dollars or so, or in that equivalence in US Dollars?

Don't Kuwait's..every man, woman and child...get like $50-60,000.00 in US equivalence...every year as a stipend..or something to that effect...from like the oil revunues over there?

Has'nt Iraq's currency...at one time or another..or numerous times..had a high value in relation to now?

Is'nt Kuwait trying...along with Iraq trying...to iron out their differences...and for what?..Would it perhaps be a monetary thing going on over there?...And why such hooplah over it getting done, even most International Monetary Entities want not only these issues resolved, but many others as well...and why?...Is this about money?...Can anyone with an IQ of even a (1) not be able to read between the lines here?

Here's where I'm going with this...Kuwait, as per recent news coming out of the middle east...has been jumping head over heels into Iraq and Iraqi Investments...as per building banks, hotels, billions being invested into the Iraqi Stock Exchange, they claimed that they will be invested in every sector of Iraq...and again, I ask for what?...Could there perhaps be a gain to be realized somewhere eventually in this "toilet paper money" country?

If I were Kuwait, with the most valuable currency, and I knew that I was financially already set...why worry over my neighbors and risk losing it all...as some on these blogs state...by doing anything in Iraq at all...especially if they dont need to or have to?

I've always noticed that wealth follows wealth and not poverty...I may lose everything in this investment...but so be it...as I will have went down with the biggest of the biggest...or in my opinion...but you know what...(I'M FOLLOWING THE MONEY)...AND "IT AINT OVER TILL IT'S OVER"...SO WHY FRET!...AND WHAT IS THERE TO WORRY ABOUT AS PER WHAT MAY "NOT" HAPPEN.....NEITHER HAS HAPPEND YET...AND ALL KINDS OF CONCLUSIONS ARE ALREADY ON THE TABLE....PEOPLE CRYING AND WHINING OVER "WHAT IF".....I MAY WAKE UP TOMORROW AND FIND THAT THE U.S. DOLLAR HAS TANKED...SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID...EVERYTHING COULD TANK EVERYWHERE...BUT YOU KNOW WHAT...THE DINAR HAD'NT TANKED YET...SO UNTIL IT DOES...EITHER DUMP AND RUN...OR HANG ON AND RIDE!...LOL...

P.S. HOW CAN I BE SCARED OF THIS IN COMPARISON TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT THERE...ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS JUST LOOK AROUND...THERE IS PLENTY THAT THEY CAN WRITE ABOUT THAT IS, OR HAS ALREADY TANKED...I SEE MORE BAD PUT OUT ABOUT THIS, AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 10 YEARS, AND IT HAS'NT TANKED YET...HOW RETARDED...IMO...

No different from any other country looking to invest in anothers economy.....cause there is money to be made....not because you hope that their currency will skyrocket.....and with Iraq being a under developed country you can dominate the market if you get in their early....

You can never have enough money apparently....thats where greed comes in....its like the older "well established" folks I see playing the lotto lol.....I shake my head everytime I see one playing....

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Iraq will be the monetary hub of the world and soon...it all started over there, and it will all end over there...period!...It's even bilbical, and I've yet to see God lie yet!...Just because people speculate as per what cannot happen..does not mean that it cant...and that is even with the currency of Iraq....and just because those that are potty-trained by the mainstream-media since birth, and dont know what is really happening in some of these countries..does'nt give them too much knowledge as per giving advice or writing commentaries of what cannot happen, like they know already...at least until it all plays out...their negativity and remarks as per what cannot happen...are about as ridiculous as some of those that make up all of the things of what will happen...at least until the finality of this thing...how many know that Israel has trillions of dollars worth of plutonium under one end of the dead sea, and even massive oil finds, that will be made public fairly soon...oh thats right...CNN & FOX has'nt told you yet...nor have some of you ever been to the middle east!...Not bashing anyone, but it is just is so demeanering to hear the bashers of this investment when they dont know the massive wealth of Iraq and/or many other countries...which have resources that have not been tapped yet!...as always...we will see...but until we do actually see...whether you or I am right or wrong...all you can do is ride or dump...lol...

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Iraq will be the monetary hub of the world and soon...it all started over there, and it will all end over there...period!...It's even bilbical, and I've yet to see God lie yet!...Just because people speculate as per what cannot happen..does not mean that it cant...and that is even with the currency of Iraq....and just because those that are potty-trained by the mainstream-media since birth, and dont know what is really happening in some of these countries..does'nt give them too much knowledge as per giving advice or writing commentaries of what cannot happen, like they know already...at least until it all plays out...their negativity and remarks as per what cannot happen...are about as ridiculous as some of those that make up all of the things of what will happen...at least until the finality of this thing...how many know that Israel has trillions of dollars worth of plutonium under one end of the dead sea, and even massive oil finds, that will be made public fairly soon...oh thats right...CNN & FOX has'nt told you yet...nor have some of you ever been to the middle east!...Not bashing anyone, but it is just is so demeanering to hear the bashers of this investment when they dont know the massive wealth of Iraq and/or many other countries...which have resources that have not been tapped yet!...as always...we will see...but until we do actually see...whether you or I am right or wrong...all you can do is ride or dump...lol...

I'm assuming you're referring to the 'Babylon' reference in the Bible.

I used to think that myself. Still a possibility.

But think for a minute who is actually the financial hub of the world right now? The US.

If you step back, clear your mind, and read Revelation 17 & 18, who does this most closely describe?

The UN & the US.

This is not the America we were born in, or the times of Ronald Reagan.

It had morphed into an Obamanation with rampant filth, immorality, violence, and severe debt.

Iraq is a third world country.

Their economy is not diversified, and revenue can be brought to a standstill with just one bombing of a pipeline or refinery.

The only way, in my opinion the dinar will revalue to make everyone rich the way 'investors' want is this:

1 .Severe war and instability in the Middle East effecting oil prices and output ruining the economies around the world.

2. The UN and the US form some agreement to oversee Iraq and bargain a deal fully backing their currency in unprecidented unconventional monetary agreements, that catapult Iraq to some higher status, yet under US & UN control.

3. World markets would have to be desperate enough and on their knees to 'create' the instant money an "RV" would create to cover the massive debt and funds to support global growth.

That being said, these "unconventional" agreements will come with many caveats.

Expect your new found wealth to be at risk, severely taxed, and not necessarily a conduit for extreme wealth.

It may just be your temporary ticket to survive.

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Iraq is doing more monetarily than anywhere on the planet...and all the superpowers are there...so I have now worries, as per what could happen in the event of any bombings...even oil from there...is still needed for wars...this region will always be in strife...but for those that dont understand the positioning and strategic moves being made need to ask this?

Why did we liberate Iraq?

What does Iraq possess monetarily as per wealth, riches, resources, minerals...or better yet...what dont they have?...lol...(The London Mining & Minerals Conference depcited through Bullion Street News, an entire region alone is full of gold, platinum and diamonds)...I just wonder if this means anything to some that may be asleep?

Why is the worlds largest embassy been put in place in Iraq, by the U.S.?...Appx. 10 times larger than the United Nations complex...was this for the Boy Scouts?...lol...

Why did the UN-Global Compact put up $400 Billion for 16,500 Companies from 140 Countries to do business in Iraq...as when does the UN get this involved with business?..(And this is just one of these type scenarios)..

Look folks, I could write down this stuff for hours, and go over informaion on hundreds of articles like the stuff mentioned above...but for those who cannot follow the money...get out of this, move on, and quit trying to discourage those of us who believe in this...and no we dont want to sell our dinars back to you...as we know that there are those that are just as crafty in trying to get us to sell them back as there were those who pumped us to buy them...and we know that there is a spread/profit..going both ways...no one spends the time to knock this, if it has not been proven to be a loser..or yet...Let's put it like this..If I like fishing I dont go and buy needlecrafting magazines instead, and then get on the blogs and write about how bad I hate needlecrafting, or what all that I can find wrong with it...as I could be fishing and not worrying and crying over needlecrafting and what cant be done with my needles or quilts, etc., etc., etc.....lol...There is an agenda here folks...There is just too much looking in the dark holes for anything bad that some can find...while the amazing, unprecedented, unbelievable and massive stores of wealth in Iraq are starting to become unveiled...while many look back to the cave for the darkness that they seemingly love...I'm moving in the direction of the light...the green light...and you know what..if it does'nt happen the way some of us think that it could...so be it..as many of us believe it wont matter anyway...as it will all tank and be over anyway..but until then...WE SHALL FOLLOW THE MONEY!...AGAIN!....

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Certainly a valid question. I'd have included it in my previous post, but it was already on the long side.

Firstly, according to http://www.cbi.iq/index.php?pid=Statistics, M2 in Iraq was 73.6 trillion IQD at the end of April, with "Currency outside banks" representing 29.8 trillion IQD.

So someone definitely holds IQD. It's helpful to think of who that might be in terms of Iraqis.

Either:

1) Most Iraqis hold some IQD; or

2) Some Iraqis hold some IQD; or

3) Almost no Iraqis hold any IQD.

1) I'd find it hard to believe that most Iraqi households don't at least hold some IQD, and at 100,000% appreciation, some is all it would take. Average income in Iraq is $4,200 (USD), or $350 per month (according to https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html). If on the day of a $1 RV the average Iraqi just happened to be holding $50 worth of IQD (which is only 1/7th of his monthly income), he would be left with $58,139.53, or more than he makes in 13 years.

2) Now assume that most Iraqis don't hold IQD, only some. What would anyone expect to happen to those few in a country where people are killed en masse on a regular basis merely for religious differences? Again, it would be pretty irresponsible of any central banker charged with ensuring stability to induce robbery/conflict/murder for a randomly distributed segment of the populace.

3) If almost no Iraqis hold IQD, then most of the $63 billion worth of it in circulation must be held by foreigners. If this is the case, the CBI definitely knows it, and so definitely knows that the net effect of an RV would be to enrich a bunch of foreigners at the expense of Iraq itself. Why on earth would they want do that? They may have liked us during Saddam days, but I don't think they liked us that much.

In neither 1), 2), or 3) does it seem even remotely likely that the CBI would choose to enact an RV. Convoluting the analysis of whether an RV is possible by adding discussions of balance of payments or oil production is absolutely unnecessary. That the RV everyone is hoping for, one on the order of 100,000%, would produce massive amounts of wealth is tautologically true. It's exactly why everyone here is buying IQD, and it's also exactly why it can't happen.

Just for reference, at a $1 RV, the 73.626 trillion IQD in circulation would have a value of $73.626 trillion. As it is currently worth only $63.318 billion (at .00086), the amount of wealth suddenly springing into existence would be $73.562 trillion.

$73.562 trillion is:

1.05 times the GDP of the entire planet Earth

4.87 times the GDP of the entire United States

Enough to create 73,562 new billionaires (there were 1,210 in 2011)

Enough to create 73,562,000 new millionaires (there were 10,000,000 in 2010)

Enough to give 294,248,000 people (4.28% of the world's population) $250,000

Enough to give every human being on planet Earth $10,548.43.

Anyone who believes any of this to be possible, let alone likely, is not only not an investor, they test the very limits of the term "speculator".

my hat off to you --this was done very well,and thats why all these stupid ideas off it rv at 2.00 or 3.oo is un heard of, if all the figures are correct then when it does re-value it could start at 1c to10c and no more imop

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Hey, even at one penny...we have a 8-10-X gain...some have already had 2-X + gains as per holding their dinars long term ALREADY...They're not CRYING!!!...lol...

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per statement:

Tell that to those who have made millions off of Japan and Germany

Can you show that the Japanese or German currency put in circulation after the wars had a major Revaluation up?

I is my understanding from all accounts, a new currency was issued after the wars, without any dramatic RV as characterized by the lies about an RV of the Dinar.

Per others posting so far:

Show me with links any major nation revaluing the currency issued after the war in a dramatic way...

There are many instances of Devaluation down, none I can find of Revaluation up.

Check out the links offered, they are valid and may help you as they did me, change my mind and get me out without loosing all my funds.

Currencies do change in value to a market valuation world wide but only gradually, and you may have a gradual increase if you want to wait it out.

Dinar may be worth more in the future, but not for a long time, years from now.

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You have the right to do what you want with your money, but your attempt to influence others to make the same discision is wrong. I purchased my Dinar 8 years ago. If I sold them today, I would make a 425% return on my money(based on what they are going for in the sales section of this website). You are right about investments taking time to produce. I entered this investment with a goal of 10 years to make a profit. I have 2 more years to earn on my investment. It appears to me that you were looking for a "get rich quick scheme", and lost your patience. There aren't too many of those left in the world anymore, but there have been a lot of firsts happening, lately, all over the world. Maybe this will be one of them. I, too, budgeted this money and can afford to lose it if neccesary. I do not see that happening. Good luck to you in the future.

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