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First all I have great doubt on the credibility of the NY Times and its sources. Second, who are the "Iraqi poltitical experts..." that this Times reporter supposedly got this information from? We all know we can get and skew any information depending from where it comes from.

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This was a good article on the election and a forecast for the coming days.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/world/middleeast/27iraq.html?pagewanted=1&hp

Thanks Kent.

From another site there were posts that indicated al Maliki now has 203 seats who have joined his coalition - which in effect will allow him to set up the Gov't as soon as Parliment is seated this week.

Now, it's a just matter of time when he will choose to have the CBI announce the rate & date. IMO

Be Blessed,

RON ;)

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Thanks Kent. From another site there were posts that indicated al Maliki now has 203 seats who have joined his coalition - which in effect will allow him to set up the Gov't as soon as Parliment is seated this week. Now, it's a just matter of time when he will choose to have the CBI announce the rate & date. IMO

Be Blessed,

RON ;)

Ron, I thought Alawi had 30 days to pull together a government since his group won the election and if he couldn't, THEN Maliki would have a shot? How could Maliki have it wrapped up? (doesn't matter to me I just want something settled).

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and someone trusts the NY slime.....?

Unclegeek and parmenio, I know the Times is a liberal rag, but the mid-east desk isn't exactly the editorial column. I thought the article was interesting. Feel free to find and post something better. I couldn't help but notice that neither of you have made much of a contribution to the forum yet. Opinions are fine, but contributions are far more more constructive than just criticism.

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"A jubilant Mr. Allawi said he would work with any group that was willing to join him in forming a government. “We will not exclude anyone,” he said. “Our coalition is open to all.” "

What I got from the article was that if parties were unwilling to consolidate their seats won (Maliki 89 and Allawi 91) then there would be the possibility of violence. The way I see it, if Allawi is true to his statement above, then he knows he has a long way to go to reach the 163 seats needed to form a government. Therefore, he has a couple of options. #1 he can do the easiest way and join with Maliki. Now in order to join with Maliki, Allawi would have to agree to joint prime ministership (if that's a word). I don't think Maliki would allow it any other way....after all, all he has to do right now is sit back while the fighting is going on and he remain prime minister. Now obviously, there are 145 other seats that Allawi could try to win, but some of those seats were won by leaders of unscrupulous character and would reflect badly on Allawi which would create more unrest. If majority lies with both Maliki and Allawi, then it only makes sense that the two men join together. Both have value to the Iraqi people, just different kinds. And in government, it's not always good to have a leader who only wants to run things one certain way. If both would have give and take, then a more democratic government would be formed. Problem would be that both would have to agree on everything, so they would need to side which battles are worth fighting over. Maliki's 89 and Allawi's 91 would be 180 which is more than the 163 seats needed. Lets hope for a quick non-violent resolution and for the dinar to revalue!!

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Ron, I thought Alawi had 30 days to pull together a government since his group won the election and if he couldn't, THEN Maliki would have a shot? How could Maliki have it wrapped up? (doesn't matter to me I just want something settled).

Here's what I read Kent - I hope this helps...!

Blessings - RON ;)

stEve's Chat 3/28

20:05:24 [] Well, there is finally some movement going on. I’d like to give you a brief update as to just what that movement involves, and how it affects us.

20:05:43 [] First, the pressure is still on to get Iraq out from under Chapter 7. Behind the scenes there are indications that it may get released very soon. The goal of Iraq has been to get out from under Ch 7 by the end of this month.

20:06:02 [] Kuwait has told the UN that it prefers to deal with the new government. This could mean that the RV could be held up by this statement, or it could mean that Kuwait wants to deal with the Iraqi new government bi-laterally (outside of Ch 7).

20:06:20 [] There are rumblings that the HCL is being worked on as we speak. It is now very close, so I am told.

20:06:35 [] Now, to the hold up of the RV as we know it.

20:07:04 [] The Federal Supreme Court of Iraq has ratified all of the names of the new members to Parliament. http://translate.google.com/translat ... ate.google.com

20:07:22 [] However, it is clear now that Maliki is not going to go down easily; in fact it appears that he will not go down at all.

20:07:47 [] [You might want to copy and paste these links; there are several of them]; read them later

20:08:08 [] Even though he had 89 seats to Allawi’s 91 seats, he has exercised his “police power” effectively, http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ma ... gate-winning-/

20:08:28 [] And about 11 of Allawi’s seats are now in jeopardy of even showing up! People are being intimidated and arrested, and some have even fled the country.

20:08:48 [] In addition, Allawi upset the country years ago (2003 or so) and memories fade slowly there.

20:09:06 [] So the Kurdish faction has announced that they will side with Maliki and not Allawi.

20:09:23 [] But they also expect him to live up to his promises to them for their coming to his coalition. And among the promises he apparently gave, were that the Kurds would have their standard of living raised in the very near future!

20:09:44 [] http://translate.googleusercontent.c ... urdsgcBcZGCgig

20:10:00 [] Furthermore, Maliki has now put together a coalition of about 203 total seats. This has been posted in the press already. Therefore, he will win again.

20:10:17 [] More to the point, we should expect to see him announce this later tonight when the new parliament is seated. In short, he has pulled an end run around Allawi and will be the new PM.

20:10:36 [] Sistani will also remain as president of Iraq, and as such he will announce Maliki as the new PM. This may all be done tonight, our time.

20:10:56 [] The reason for the rush is that Maliki would otherwise go out of power on Wednesday. He cannot wait until then.

20:11:11 [] http://translate.googleusercontent.c ... L5r0O2JZO6BwkA

0:11:29 [] http://translate.googleusercontent.c ... 18Fy3ijPYtHrfQ

20:11:43 [] Now, in addition to that Obama is either going to or already is in the ME. Why do you think that is? He flies over to Afghanistan and won’t “drop in” on Iraq? We’ll soon see.

20:13:10 [] He is there now, I have found out.

20:13:24 [] Clearly he is trying to build momentum on his H/C coup and his arms reduction treaty with Russia. What a great way to end this “round robin” except with a surprise announcement with Maliki that the RV is finally here.

20:13:39 [] http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/ ... ma_afghanistan

20:13:58 [] I have said to some of you that I was frustrated, and I was. But now I am as excited as I ever have been. It is my opinion that the RV will be announced right after the new government is announced, and still before April 1.

20:14:22 [] I have more good news: Asiacell, the largest telecommunications company in Iraq, has announced that it will be using IQD in all transactions from now on.

20:14:46 [] That means no more dollars, period

20:15:01 [] http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZA ... 0Iraqi%20Dinar

20:15:18 [] This means, to me, that the goose is finally cooked, my friends.

20:15:27 [e] But of course I may be mistaken..........

20:15:29 [e] Done

links from stEve's chat on 28 March 2010

Here are all the links in the chat from tonight:

Now they all work.

http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ma...gate-winning-/

http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com

http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com

http://translate.google.com/translat...ogle.com&twu=1

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100328/...ma_afghanistan

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZA...to Iraqi Dinar

I hope they all work. If not let me know and I will try and repost them.

These links aren't working here, but I did read all of them and confirmed what he said - RON

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Couple of issues with STEVE's Chat thread:

1. I can not find any where in the news where they claim that Allawi lost 11 seats and those seats were won by Maliki giving him 203 seats. If that is true, post your link to actual news ...not a chat

2. Sistani - who????? the current president of Iraq is Jalal Talabani

3. No one can announce Maliki as PM tonight! Allawi has 30 days to form a new government. If he can't, the president may give another a bloc a chance to form new government...the president is appointed by parliment, therefore, he can't choose the prime minister!!!

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Couple of issues with STEVE's Chat thread:

1. I can not find any where in the news where they claim that Allawi lost 11 seats and those seats were won by Maliki giving him 203 seats. If that is true, post your link to actual news ...not a chat

2. Sistani - who????? the current president of Iraq is Jalal Talabani

3. No one can announce Maliki as PM tonight! Allawi has 30 days to form a new government. If he can't, the president may give another a bloc a chance to form new government...the president is appointed by parliment, therefore, he can't choose the prime minister!!!

Mrs M

I passed this on at Kent's request as to what I read (several posts before). As the chat states, It appeared that Maliki has made some recent agreements with other blocks that agreed to join with him. When I read the links (at bottom of post) they worked and appeared to confirm steve's conclusions, but they're not working here. I'm just the messenger - check out things for yourself if you have a concern, so you can be comfortable with what you understand. Information from these links and other recent media releases I've read have indicated that Maliki's attempts to use everything at HIS DISPOSAL might just work to his advantage. Again, I'm passsing on what i read - take it for what it's worth - eat the meat and spit out the bones. Have a great day.

Blessings to all,

RON ;)

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