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Thursday 29 November 2012

by Bill Benfield

Palestinians turned out in their thousands in the streets of the West Bank and Gaza today to celebrate another step towards statehood.

President Mahmoud Abbas headed to the UN general assembly with huge backing for his bid for upgraded diplomatic status despite strong US and Israeli opposition.

Although the session wouldn't start until 10pm their time - 8pm GMT - Palestinians were certain that a victory was in the offing and they celebrated accordingly throughout the day.

The president was to call for recognition of Palestine as a UN "non-member observer state" by the 193-member assembly.

The Palestinians say 132 countries recognise their state bilaterally, although some are expected to abstain.

But the motion requires only a simple majority and the bid was widely expected to be approved.

Palestinians are determined to make the 65th anniversary of the UN resolution that divided Palestine a historic landmark in their quest for statehood.

The US had launched an aggressive campaign against the bid, claiming it will do nothing to improve the prospect of new peace talks.

And Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the UN decision "won't change anything on the ground," adding: "It won't promote the creation of a Palestinian state, it will distance it."

US officials met Mr Abbas on Wednesday but couldn't convince him to back down.

Mr Abbas also held talks with a host of diplomats before his speech, including Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who pledged his country's support.

Canada has said it will join the US and oppose the resolution.

Only one European country, the Czech Republic, is expected to vote against the resolution, with Germany and Britain saying they would abstain.

However France has pledged its support, as have Russia, China and a many Latin American countries.

Success will allow the Palestinians to apply to join the International Criminal Court - a prospect that worries Israel, which fears legal action against it.

The Palestinian Authority could lose millions of dollars of aid - Washington alone has threatened to pull about $200 million (£125m).

Israel is considering freezing the transfer of tax and customs funds it collects for the Palestinians.

But nothing was deterring the Palestinians from showing pride in their nation and their longing for statehood today.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/126661

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Lostenso........ If this is SO GOOD, then why did Isreal and the U.S. vote against ? I for one am FOR Isreal, and if you think this is moving ahead to peace, THINK AGAIN ......JMO

God bless Isreal,

Palestinians need a place to call home. A place where Israelis can't get away with illegal colonization so easily.

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Palestinians need a place to call home. A place where Israelis can't get away with illegal colonization so easily.

you go against God and the holy land of Israel you will lose every time!!!!!! this has been proven time and time again. Israel will NOT fall but those who come against HER!!!!!ohmy.gif

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you go against God and the holy land of Israel you will lose every time!!!!!! this has been proven time and time again. Israel will NOT fall but those who come against HER!!!!!ohmy.gif

What is currently called Israel is not the one from the bible. A better name for the current Israel would be Rothschild-Land.

What would anyone's concern be with Palestine becoming a recognized state in the eyes of the UN?

Might it be the ICC?

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It is VERY GOOD. A movement in the right direction, toward peace!

You are joking, right? Peace is not in the cards, never will be. Any Peace that Israel signs is destined to DOOM anyway. With the avowed goal of ANNIHILATION of Israel, NO PEACE CAN BE OFFERED.

Jokers, anyone who thinks peace can be attained.

Read your bible.

What is currently called Israel is not the one from the bible. A better name for the current Israel would be Rothschild-Land.

What would anyone's concern be with Palestine becoming a recognized state in the eyes of the UN?

Might it be the ICC?

Let Palestine RETURN to the countries she emanated from - Syria, Jordan, etal!

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What is currently called Israel is not the one from the bible. A better name for the current Israel would be Rothschild-Land.

What would anyone's concern be with Palestine becoming a recognized state in the eyes of the UN?

Might it be the ICC?

Great News!

The International Crimes Court is exactly where Palestine should head to next.

Israel and the US are shakin in their boots right now, as they should be. Of course they said it was a "bad idea". haha

They have been Partners in the murders of thousands of Palestinians, probably half women and children.

Not to mention the theft of freedom and land. The Rest Of The World Knows It Too!!!

I don't care how anyone interprets their Bible, Murder is murder. Stealing is stealing.

The Rothchilds used the "Poor Hitler Jews" card until now it is so bloody waging the same crimes against Palestine that were waged against them,

even the Jews don't want it used in their name for that purpose anymore.

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What is currently called Israel is not the one from the bible. A better name for the current Israel would be Rothschild-Land.

What would anyone's concern be with Palestine becoming a recognized state in the eyes of the UN?

Might it be the ICC?

It doesnt matter God will condemn those that need to be but the land of Israel will always be the holy land and God will defend her at all costs because of his word.

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November 21, 2012

9 questions about Israel-Gaza you were too embarrassed to ask

By Max Fisher

The Washington Post

WASHINGTON — This week's violence between Israel and Gaza is three things: complicated, confusing and important. As a result, you might have found yourself wondering what it's all about but too caught up in the minute-to-minute news cycle to grasp the basics. So, here is some basic background on the questions you may have nagging at you. Read it and consider yourself equipped for Thanksgiving dinner debates.

First, a disclaimer: History looms large in the Israel-Palestine conflict. For every one incident, there are decades of Israeli and Palestinian histories that inform both sides' interpretation of that incident and its deeper meaning. For practical purposes, this list is limited to simple, surface-level explanations.

1. What is the Gaza Strip?

The Gaza Strip is a small Palestinian territory, about twice the size of Washington, D.C., located along the Mediterranean coast between Egypt and Israel. Palestinians are ethnic Arab and majority Muslim. It is deeply impoverished, kept in isolation by the Israeli military and ruled by Hamas, an anti-Israeli terrorist group.

2. Whoa! How did that happen?

In 1948, the United Nations declared that the British territory known as Palestine would be divided into two independent countries: Israel and Palestine. Arab leaders rejected the declaration and invaded to maintain a unified, independent, Arab Palestine. They lost, and by the time fighting ended, Israel controlled even more of the land than the U.N. declaration had granted the new country. One of the areas still under Palestinian control was the Gaza Strip. Israel occupied the territory in 1967, after another failed invasion by Arab states but withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005. Israel still maintains extremely tight restrictions on trade in and out of Gaza, which has a 40 percent unemployment rate. Thirty-eight percent of Gazans live under the poverty line. Gaza is not an independent country.

3. Who is Hamas, and why do they hate Israel?

Hamas is an Islamist militant group based in Gaza, where it won a 2006 U.S.-backed election. The United States and other countries designate it as a terrorist group. It formed in 1987 as a "resistance" group, pledging to destroy Israel and replace it with an all-Palestinian state. It has since significantly softened its demands to an independent Palestinian state along the 1967 borders (more on this later), but it still does not formally recognize Israel as a legitimate country and still commits violent acts against Israeli troops and civilians. It also provides a number of important social services in Gaza.

4. Got it. So I see that Israel and Hamas are fighting. Who started it?

There is no simple answer to this question; the back-and-forth extends back decades (see above), so let's start with this year. Hamas regularly fires unguided rockets into nearby areas of southern Israel. Though they rarely kill Israelis, they terrorize the largely civilian neighborhoods and generally make life unpleasant. Last Wednesday, Israel launched an air strike to kill a senior Hamas military commander, which set off the series of Israeli air strikes on Gaza and significantly accelerated Hamas rocket attacks into Israel. Some analysts fear a repeat of the 2008 fighting, which escalated into a full ground war.

5. Wait, this happened before? Why is it repeating?

Yes. Operation Cast Lead (Israel's name for it) culminated in a January 2009 Israeli ground invasion of Gaza, which resulted in 13 Israeli deaths and either 1,417 or 1,166 Palestinian deaths, depending on Palestinian or Israeli sources. Some analysts describe Israel's strategy toward Hamas as "mowing the grass": instead of finding a long-term solution, in this thinking, Israel would attack Gaza every few years or so to cut down their ability to terrorize Israelis. Hamas, for its part, does not seem to have changed strategies either.

6. Wow, that's depressing. Why don't Israel and Palestine just become independent countries?

Because they can't agree where to draw the borders. Let's go back to that 1967 war. Before it started, Israel controlled everything except Gaza and the West Bank, which today are the two Palestinian territories. At the end of it, Israel occupied both Palestinian territories, plus a small piece of Syrian land, the Golan Heights. Long-standing U.S. policy is for Israel and Palestine to return to the 1967 borders from before that year's war. Palestinian groups also accept this. A big hurdle comes from Israeli settlers: Almost half a million Israelis have gradually moved into parts of the West Bank. That U.S. peace plan also calls for "land swaps" between Israel and Palestine to keep a number of those Israeli settler communities within Israel's borders. Palestinians in Gaza don't have a state, Hamas is committed to firing rockets at Israeli civilians, and Israel is committed to keeping Hamas weak and deterred, in part through periodic military campaigns.

7. This is getting complicated. I hear a lot about Iran. What's their role?

Though Iran does not border Israel or Gaza, and though its population is majority ethnic Persian rather than Arab (most Iranians also follow a different sect of Islam than do Palestinians), Iran helps to fund and arm Hamas, as well as other anti-Israeli groups. Depending on whom you ask, Iran either helps Hamas because it is committed to Israel's destruction, because it sees this as a way to project its influence in the region, or because it fears an Israeli or American attack and uses Hamas as a deterrent. One of the things that Iran gives Hamas is special, longer-range rockets called Fajr-5. The Iranian rockets can feasibly reach major Israeli cities, although because they are unguided, and because Israel has advanced missile defense technology funded by the Obama administration, that threat is reduced.

8. I also hear people mention Egypt. Whose side is it on?

In a way, the Arab world's most populous country is on both sides, and has been since striking a historic, U.S.-brokered peace treaty with Israel in 1979. Remember that Egypt shares a border with western Israel and Gaza. Egypt administers a single border crossing into Gaza, at Rafah, which has alternated between opened and closed. Since last year's Egyptian revolution ousted the reliably pro-U.S. dictator Hosni Mubarak, much of the world has been watching to see how the populist, democratically elected, Islamist-leaning President Mohamed Morsi would handle Egypt's traditional role mediating between Gaza and Israel, and whether he would betray greater sympathy toward Hamas. So far, Morsi seems to be emphasizing solidarity with Gazans but, broadly, is pushing for peace.

9. That was too much text, so I scrolled to the bottom to find out the big take-away from all this. What's going to happen?

No one is sure if the fighting will lead to a repeat of the 2008 ground war or will end with another uneasy ceasefire. But many analysts say that, in the end, the violence will likely not have brought either Israelis or Gazans any closer to peace. And they worry that both Israel and Gaza are following short-term policies detrimental to long-term progress. It's not exactly status quo for Israel-Palestine, but it doesn't look like a dramatic shift, either.

Facts, no matter how inconvenient are still the facts.

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Obviously there is need for 2 States as it had been already pointed out by the precursor of the UN (Society of Nations or something like that) in 1947 or 1948 if I'm not mistaken... That need to create 2 States got even more urgent with the passing of time.

Palestinians need to have an Independent Country the same as Israel. Why should a Palestinian Individual ( child , adult, male or female) have less rights than their Israeli counterpart?

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TheUnited Nations has voted to recognize Palestine.

Theyhave decided to violate international law and numerous peace agreements.

Theterrorist-led Palestine now has "non-member observer state" status atthe U.N.

With this vote, theU.N. has endorsed a divided Jerusalem and an Israel with indefensibleborders.

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Some of you need to prepare yourself for Israel and the Federal Reserve not calling the shots anymore. They had their time and it is coming to an end.

More peace and less debt based currency.... that's a beautiful thought.

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