For those who want Texas to secede from the Union what about this?

[TPSprayduster]

Few of the public calls for secession have addressed the messy details, like what would happen to the state’s many federal courthouses, prisons, military bases and parklands. No one has said what would become of Kevin Patteson, the director of the state’s Office of State-Federal Relations, and no one has asked the Texas residents who received tens of millions of dollars in federal aid after destructive wildfires last year for their thoughts on the subject.

So i assume all of the military bases will leave or shut down or texas can pay for the federal lands they sit on. Take over the court house, prisons etc. Since they want to leave the union those who want this have not thought about the fine print. You know how we are prone to Hurricanes and Wild Fires do we have funds set aside for that as well?

[DinarMillionaire]

What people with these thoughts fail to realize is...all the money the Federal government gets from Texas. We have the 15th largest economy in the world. If we kept all the Texas money from going to Washington, we would probably be better off. Washington would be the one hurting.

We don't pay an income tax. But, I for one would be willing to pay income tax to a Texas government to get away from a Socialist/Communist regime.

Besides, we probably wouldn't have to go it alone. I'm sure other states would be willing to join the "New American Republic of free states."

Think of all the money we would save when the "moocher class" (not to be misconstrued with deserving people who receive benefits earned or legitimately deserving) move to the Nanny states.

Texas is larger than France and other countries. How do you think they make it without Washington?

[R2D2]

Few of the public calls for secession have addressed the messy details, like what would happen to the state’s many federal courthouses, prisons, military bases and parklands. No one has said what would become of Kevin Patteson, the director of the state’s Office of State-Federal Relations, and no one has asked the Texas residents who received tens of millions of dollars in federal aid after destructive wildfires last year for their thoughts on the subject.

So i assume all of the military bases will leave or shut down or texas can pay for the federal lands they sit on. Take over the court house, prisons etc. Since they want to leave the union those who want this have not thought about the fine print. You know how we are prone to Hurricanes and Wild Fires do we have funds set aside for that as well?

TPS what you do not realize is that only a fraction of federal income tax paid by texas returns to texas. If there was a session we would be happy to convert the fed tax to a state tax and keep every bit of the money in texas. WE would also inforce the illegal problem the the federal are promoting. Get the illegals deported and allow the kegals to thrive just like the rest of us. We could get ALL federal mandates EPA, OSHA, just to mention a few that requie expense neutered. Yes mrtps we would love to sessed from this imposter marxist and his menions.

[jonjon]

What if Texas Were to Actually Secede?

What would happen if Texas went through with the idea Rick Perry likes to flirt with and actually seceded? NPR explored what that alternative reality would look like in an eight-minute story on All Things Considered Friday.

Austin-based correspondent John Burnett spoke to Tea Party members, academics, and political junkies to paint a picture of what a modern Republic of Texas would look like:

The former state has reinvented itself as a sort of Lone Star Singapore, with low taxes, free trade and minimal regulation. It enters the community of nations as the world’s 15th-largest economy, with vast oil and gas reserves, busy international ports, an independent power grid and a laissez-faire attitude about making money. …

Here’s our scenario: airports without the Transportation Security Administration; gun sales without the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; land development without the Endangered Species Act; new congressional districts without the Voting Rights Act; and a new guest-worker program without Washington gridlock over immigration reform. The new normal is a leaner government that bears little resemblance to the full-service nation it left behind.

Texas, in its second stab at independence, would not provide welfare or food stamps, some imagine. “There’s a safety net that’s always been out there. We don’t have that anymore. You will be a productive member of society and our environment doesn’t allow for people to not be productive,” Texas Tea Party member Katrina Pierson told Burnett.

But the government of a nation is, by necessity, more bloated than that of a state, according to Harvey Kronberg, editor and publisher of Quorum Report. “Consider all the new departments it would need to monitor things like foreign affairs, aviation and nuclear regulation. And then there are all the expenses Washington used to take care of — things like maintaining interstate highways, inspecting meat and checking passports,” Burnett explained.

There would, however, be new economic actors in the state: Maquiladoras would sprout up “on the south side of the Red River and on the Sabine” in this newly independent state, angering the American South, according to Southern Methodist University political scientist Cal Jillson.

In this new nation, Kinky Friedman would steer foreign policy as foreign affairs secretary. “I think the first thing we would do is go to the Third World countries and teach the women how to grow big hair and give the men Rick Perry wigs,” Friedman said. “I will keep us out of war with Oklahoma.”

The Texas District and County Attorneys Association came out in support of the idea on Twitter:

TDCAA @TDCAA

Let’s make this happen, people – RT @quorumreport: This is a great NPR piece on Texas Our Texas… the new nation… n.pr/HzsRSs

30 Mar 12

Obstructionist Husband, a resident of New Mexico, wondered on his LiveJournal if an independent Texas would have the agricultural diversity to not import any food. “I don’t think Texas produces everything they might want for a varied diet,” he mused.

At conservative leaning blog the American Culture, Mike D’Virgilio chided NPR for running the piece: “It would be comical if it wasn’t such a revealing picture of the perverse heart and mind of modern liberalism,” he wrote. “In the fevered liberal mind, NPR wasn’t actually liberating Texas, it was casting it into outer darkness, where the light and righteousness of out blessed federal government does not shine.”

http://www.tmdailypost.com/article/politics/what-if-texas-were-actually-secede

[desimo]

One thing that is not brought into the mix of thought is regarding Tribal areas. Tribal areas are technically considered foreign land. They are not technically under State restrictions, no have have to pay taxes, and are considered a separate nation within a nation. Military surplus passes through to them without restriction even though they are technically a foreign land. State, Federal and private funds/grants are freely given to the reservations and tribal communities with no problem. These do not have to always go through the BIA or Department of the Interior. I personally do not see Texas having a problem since the Federal government has already established a precidence through their free funding of the foreign nations referred to tribal communities.

[Chartman17]

I'm sure, after awhile, Texas would look more like North Korea only in Texas, they couldn't afford to turn on a light. Texans don't know how good they have it.

OMG, another banana republic that requires U.S. foreign aid.

Chartman17

[DinarMillionaire]

I'm sure, after awhile, Texas would look more like North Korea only in Texas, they couldn't afford to turn on a light. Texans don't know how good they have it.

OMG, another banana republic like California that requires U.S. foreign aid.

Chartman17

Thanks for the laugh! Coming from someone who lives in the Banana Republic of California, it truly is funny. California already needs a bailout from the U.S., because it's so broke it can't pay attention. Keep smoking your weed and living in your drug induced fantasy.

We Texans already know how good we have it and we're just thinking how much better off we would be, without having to hold up the blue Nanny Socialist States that are dragging down the rest of the country.

[Sentinel7]

Few of the public calls for secession have addressed the messy details, like what would happen to the state’s many federal courthouses, prisons, military bases and parklands. No one has said what would become of Kevin Patteson, the director of the state’s Office of State-Federal Relations, and no one has asked the Texas residents who received tens of millions of dollars in federal aid after destructive wildfires last year for their thoughts on the subject.

So i assume all of the military bases will leave or shut down or texas can pay for the federal lands they sit on. Take over the court house, prisons etc. Since they want to leave the union those who want this have not thought about the fine print. You know how we are prone to Hurricanes and Wild Fires do we have funds set aside for that as well?

It seems to me that the Texas residents are speaking by signing the petition

as far as the rest it would become state courthouses state bases and state parks

And a better question about money would be what how would the Federal government

replace the money they would lose from milking Texas

With not having to pay extortion to the federal government Texas could spend it on Texas

No state in the Union needs the federal government the federal government needs the states to even exist.

The federal government is not the United States The states and we the people are the United States

The federal government is nothing but one big Leech sucking the life out of this country.

What do you think your heroes in DC would do when they found out most of the working class would move

to Texas

What is it with you TP every since I became aware of you the only thing you preach

Is Surrender Retreat and Compliance on all issues

America was born in rebellion and IF America dies we will die in rebellion.

TP it's just might be possible that America is just a little bit too rebellious for your liking.

Have you ever thought about relocating to a place where people accept their fate as slaves of the state.

North Korea or China would seem to be a better fit for you.

In these two society's you would get the direction and control you seem to need so badly.

No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

[cajunrescuemedic]

Thanks for the laugh! Coming from someone who lives in the Banana Republic of California, it truly is funny. California already needs a bailout from the U.S., because it's so broke it can't pay attention. Keep smoking your weed and living in your drug induced fantasy.

We Texans already know how good we have it and we're just thinking how much better off we would be, without having to hold up the blue Nanny Socialist States that are dragging down the rest of the country.

Being your neighbor "next door" in Louisiana, I agree with you DinarMillionaire ! If yall secede, I'll be a cajun living in Texas !!!

[umbertino]

http://jezebel.com/5960413/texas-trying-to-secede-from-union-austin-trying-to-secede-from-texas

[umbertino]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_the_United_States

[TPSprayduster]

TPS what you do not realize is that only a fraction of federal income tax paid by texas returns to texas. If there was a session we would be happy to convert the fed tax to a state tax and keep every bit of the money in texas. WE would also inforce the illegal problem the the federal are promoting. Get the illegals deported and allow the kegals to thrive just like the rest of us. We could get ALL federal mandates EPA, OSHA, just to mention a few that requie expense neutered. Yes mrtps we would love to sessed from this imposter marxist and his menions.

Well then just leave, i would have to move but hey That's Texas. P.S i dont mine the negs

[DinarMillionaire]

Being your neighbor "next door" in Louisiana, I agree with you DinarMillionaire ! If yall secede, I'll be a cajun living in Texas !!!

We Texans love da cajuns! You would be most welcome. Although, we hope ya'll would join the New Republic States of America.

Laissez les bons temps rouler!

[PowerGeneration]

I dont know why you folks negged TPS or chartman its only there opinion.

Besides the better question is who are you gonna elect as your leader?

It cant be Perry he fills his pockets full off federal money's thats why

he's against it.So no republican leaders.Perry loves his illegals because

thats who mows his lawn for 75,000 a year.He thanks you republicans for your

donations.And he got re-elected by you guys.And you wonder why we voted for

anyone other than a republican.I would love to move to china at least there are

plenty of jobs Thank You Mitt!The rice is really nice!might even buy me a

chinese made Jeep.Cheap labor ya know=cheaper prices=higher profit gains!

Mitt sure is smart!Forget about a secession its never going to happen EVER

you would have to bear arms against the socialist american republic which means

you lose by 158%.I bet you guys just missed me while

I was gone you dont have to many to neg in here.

Plus +1 for simple.Happy Thanksgiving folks!its good to be home!Home of the neg!

or republican.Poke poke poke that hornets nest!

I even got holiday pay on my welfare check.The sound of imploding republican

wallets is heard through out the land.Ooooooo that had to hurt!

JMHO and thats all.America home of the FREE!and something something I cant

remember the rest.You know I do this for laughs only dont ya?

PG is sorry for laughs at your expense.New Nike Logo>

Just get over it?

[tigerstripes]

Thanks for the laugh! Coming from someone who lives in the Banana Republic of California, it truly is funny. California already needs a bailout from the U.S., because it's so broke it can't pay attention. Keep smoking your weed and living in your drug induced fantasy.

We Texans already know how good we have it and we're just thinking how much better off we would be, without having to hold up the blue Nanny Socialist States that are dragging down the rest of the country.

Ah, the "takers vs makers argument". Lovely. Lets look at that shall we?

I'll put the states that voted for Obama in Blue and the Romney voting states in Red.

According to your argument, the blue nanny states are dragging the country down.

So lets see the top 10 states/districts by GDP (in $millions).

California - $1,936,400

Texas - $1,307,432

New York - $1,156,500

Florida - $754,000

Illinois - $644,200

Pennsylvania - $575,600

New Jersey - $497,000

Ohio - $483,400

Virginia - $427,700

North Carolina - $407,400

Oops. That doesn't look so good!

Um, okay, but I'll bet the lowest ranked states are all those democrat nanny states right!

Lowest 10 states/districts by GDP (in $millions)

New Hampshire - $61,600

Idaho - $54,800

Maine - $53,200

Rhode Island - $49,500

Alaska - $45,600

South Dakota - $39,900

Wyoming - $38,200

Montana - $37,200

North Dakota - $33,400

Vermont - $26,400

Well, at least the very bottom one is blue I guess.

But maybe those figures aren't really fair. I mean California has a much bigger population than say North Dakota, so they should have a bigger GDP. So, lets look at it terms of GDP per capita. That will definitely show that the blue states don't contribute.

Top 10 States/District GDP per capita (in $millions)

District of Columbia - $174,500

Delaware - $69,667

Alaska - 65,143

Conneticut - $64,833

Wyoming - $63,667

Massachusetts - $58,108

New York - $57,423

New Jersey - $56,477

Virginia - 53,463

Washington - $52,403

Colorado - $51,940 (I added Colorado just in case you wanted to argue that the District of Columbia shouldn't be included)

Well, that's much better now. Alaska has jumped right up there and California's gone from the list. But, well, still eight for the Obama nanny states and only two for the republican "makers".

Oh well, I'm sure the bottom 10 producing states will now all be those blue nanny states.

Lowest 10 States/Districts GDP per capita (in $millions)

Michigan - $37,616

Kentucky - $$37,535

Montana - $37,200

Arkansas - $36,483

Alabama - $36,333

New Mexico - $35,952

South Carolina - $35,717

West Virginia - $35,053

Idaho - $34,250

Mississippi - $32,967

Well, um, um, I guess eight out of the bottom ten isn't so bad............

I guess the taker vs maker argument isn't running so hot anymore..........

Wait, what if we list all of the states that have a higher GDP per capita than the US as a whole. Surely that'll prove that the red states are the real "makers".

US GDP per capita (in $millions) - $47,482

So, all the states/districts with a higher GDP per capita than the US as a whole:

District of Columbia

Delaware

Alaska

Conneticut

Wyoming

Massachusetts

New York

New Jersey

Virginia

Washington

Colorado

California

Maryland

Minnesota

Illinois

South Dakota

Nebraska

Hawaii

Iowa

North Dakota

Hmmmm. This really isn't working.

Maybe if we add up the total GDP of all the blue states and then add the total GDP of all the red states, that will show who the real makers are in the country.

Red States - $5,144,932,000,000

Blue States - $9,562,200,000,000

Oh dear. Best stop digging.

Ah, the "takers vs makers argument". Lovely. Lets look at that shall we?

Oops. bad me. Forgot the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

[Sentinel7]

I'm sure, after awhile, Texas would look more like North Korea only in Texas, they couldn't afford to turn on a light. Texans don't know how good they have it.

OMG, another banana republic that requires U.S. foreign aid.

Chartman17

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California’s sprawling welfare system carded, but not reformed

By: Ali Meyer | 08/07/11 9:30 PM

Special to The Examiner

Last year, a Los Angeles Times investigation revealed that California welfare “clients” were using their Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards to spend millions at casinos and on cruise ships to hardship destinations such as Rio de Janeiro. Californians will be interested to know what the state did to counter this fraud, and abuse of welfare in general.

According to Census data, California represents 12 percent of the U.S. population, but 32 percent of all welfare cases nationwide are in the Golden State. California has more welfare recipients than the next eight states combined, and California’s monthly cash welfare payouts are almost 70 percent higher than the national average. Those payouts are intended for the necessities of life, not casinos and cruise ships.

The revelations prompted Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to order the deactivation of ATMs for EBT cards at gambling venues and on cruise ships.

But the problem went beyond cruise ships and casinos. Senate Republican Leader Bob Dutton of Rancho Cucamonga proposed SB 417, which banned use of EBT cards to purchase alcohol and tobacco products. It failed to pass.

The California Department of Social Services proposed 10 measures to investigate fraud, but the actual number of investigations decreased. Out of a sample of 310 welfare cases, only five individuals participated in activities that moved their family toward self-sufficiency, according to a Department of Social Services study. Only 60 of the 310 cases participated in countable work activities. Taxpayers could be forgiven for believing that welfare fraud continues at unacceptable levels.

State government did not volunteer the information that welfare recipients were blowing millions of taxpayer dollars on casinos and cruise ships. Those revelations came from Jack Dolan of the Los Angeles Times. He and other reporters need cooperation, not opposition, from government. And taxpayers need a better accounting of how government spends their money.

Government agencies should practice “affirmative disclosure” by releasing information on welfare fraud, salaries, pensions and benefits as a matter of course. They should make that information public before anybody asks for it.

When California implemented EBT cards, they should have announced that the new policy empowered welfare clients to get their cash benefits in casinos, cruise ships, race tracks, tattoo shops and so forth. A better policy could well have emerged.

Ali Meyer is a contributor to CalWatchdog, which is associated with the Pacific Research Institute

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/2011/08/california-s-sprawling-welfare-system-carded-not-reformed#ixzz2DKiUQfiB

Now you want to tell us again which banana republic needs a US bailout

32% of the nations welfare checks goes to your state

So tell us again oh wise and powerful Oz how your state would have to help bail out Texas

When it is so evident that every welfare cent taken out of working Texans paychecks.

goes to support your sorry non producing butts.

Shoot even the BS that comes from your state can't grow crops

Seems to me that maybe you are against Texas leaving the union because you would lose your welfare check.

No Surrender No Retreat and No Compromise

[Shabibilicious]

I still don't see the need for a Texas secession......just move the south border of Texas to the Oklahoma line and call it a day.

GO RV, then BV

[cajunrescuemedic]

We Texans love da cajuns! You would be most welcome. Although, we hope ya'll would join the New Republic States of America.

Laissez les bons temps rouler!

Us "Southern Boys" have to stick together. If Louisiana wouldn't join, I'd have to move, with no regrets.