Soon we may NOT have guns! U.S. reverses stance

[tampa1000]

The Full Article Here: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillarious Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed.

We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).

DON'T KEEP THIS - SEND IT OUT TO YOUR LIST

[thegente]

I agree our 2nd Amendment rights are to be sidelined by this treaty, and I don't like it one bit either... Here is the actual text from the original article below, it seems the wording above is Tampa's commentary on the article itself. Thx

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON | Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:56pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

U.S. Secretary of State Clinton said the United States would support the talks as long as the negotiating forum, the so-called Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, "operates under the rules of consensus decision-making."

"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.

While praising the Obama administration's decision to overturn the Bush-era policy and to proceed with negotiations to regulate conventional arms sales, some groups criticized the U.S. insistence that decisions on the treaty be unanimous.

"The shift in position by the world's biggest arms exporter is a major breakthrough in launching formal negotiations at the United Nations in order to prevent irresponsible arms transfers," Amnesty International and Oxfam International said in a joint statement.

However, they said insisting that decisions on the treaty be made by consensus "could fatally weaken a final deal."

"Governments must resist US demands to give any single state the power to veto the treaty as this could hold the process hostage during the course of negotiations. We call on all governments to reject such a veto clause," said Oxfam International's policy adviser Debbie Hillier.

The proposed legally binding treaty would tighten regulation of, and set international standards for, the import, export and transfer of conventional weapons.

Supporters say it would give worldwide coverage to close gaps in existing regional and national arms export control systems that allow weapons to pass onto the illicit market.

Nations would remain in charge of their arms export control arrangements but would be legally obliged to assess each export against criteria agreed under the treaty. Governments would have to authorize transfers in writing and in advance.

The main opponent of the treaty in the past was the U.S. Bush administration, which said national controls were better. Last year, the United States accounted for more than two-thirds of some $55.2 billion in global arms transfer deals.

Arms exporters China, Russia and Israel abstained last year in a U.N. vote on the issue.

The proposed treaty is opposed by conservative U.S. think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, which said last month that it would not restrict the access of "dictators and terrorists" to arms but would be used to reduce the ability of democracies such as Israel to defend their people.

The U.S. lobbying group the National Rifle Association has also opposed the treaty.

A resolution before the U.N. General Assembly is sponsored by seven nations including major arms exporter Britain. It calls for preparatory meetings in 2010 and 2011 for a conference to negotiate a treaty in 2012.

Edited November 20, 2012 by thegente

[dog53]

Yep Im gonna be a problem . I m Not giving my guns up to anybody

[markb57]

and if they get away with it, there will be a second civil war that will make the first pale in comparison...

[jonjon]

I hope the liberals come out to my house and pick mine up. The ones that survive will need to use their Obamacare.

[miraj]

and if they get away with it, there will be a second civil war that will make the first pale in comparison...

So you want to be a "REVOLUTIONARY PATRIOT"?? / All this rhetoric is nonsense. This is a 2009 article

[captl1]

Trespassers will be shot.....Survivors will be shot twice....come and get them!

[mr john]

Yep Im gonna be a problem . I m Not giving my guns up to anybody

You and me both. I dont think the Gov. realizes there more hunting licenses issued in Wiscon. (never mind the other states) than we have people in active service. Good luck with that idea. Good thing the 2nd amendment is so we can protect ourselves from our own Gov.

Edited November 20, 2012 by mr john

[cris]

I wonder how this could affect Arizona...

We generally ignore anything from DC

[markb57]

So you want to be a "REVOLUTIONARY PATRIOT"?? / All this rhetoric is nonsense. This is a 2009 article

And did I say I would start anything??? No way would I ever admit to anything on this board. Too many on O's payroll here...

[Snotrocket]

[DinarMillionaire]

From the words of the founders of this country it is clear that the gun control laws enacted in this country are unconstitutional infringements upon our liberties and it is our right and responsibility to oppose, by arms if necessary, the tyranny of our own government. How great a folly it would be if we were to allow the very instrument of tyranny, government, to control whether we have the right to the means to resist tyranny! This is the folly, and danger, of gun control. If we will not put our press under the control of the government, why should we be willing to put the control of our arms, the means to defend the press and our liberties, under the control of the government? The answer is clear, we should not!

[slb]

A free people ought to be armed."

- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

- Thomas Jefferson

[Rayzur]

[DinarMillionaire]

A picture is worth a thousand words. Well said Rayzur, well said.

[PowerGeneration]

And Then Here Comes MR. PG. KILJOY I am so HAPPY to see yer guns go BYE BYE!!!!

If'in yer FREE why do you need guns?Oh thats right to protect yourselves from Tyranny in the government.

I am trying not to laugh BUT you do realize our military is attached to this what you say Government.

And you as a tiny people with tiny sticks with tiny BB's coming out of them are going to stop the goverment

when they come fer yer arms.I need to get front row seats for this one!

I know I will be the one on a bulldozer plowing up some mighty big graves open field ones of coarse!

And then as you say after my fellow libs pry those pea shooters out of your dead hands and logging

them in.They will just order us to shove you all in and cover you up.And because you choose to file

a petition to secede from the onion that told our government HEY these folks are treasonist against

us so mandatory weapons surrender is needed to control a unruley citizens of the USA.

That will be there excuse to do you in.They didnt want to be peaceful and just turn there guns in so we must

destroy all that owns them.And because you wanted a secession now that can be justified as a treasonist

act.Tisk Tisk it was nice knowing ya.Even me I will hand in my ONLY weapon my Lever Action Red Rider

BB gun and smile when I do it.Us liberal sheep will follow all orders givin by our leaders of our country

for a better America.No longer do innocent people get shot by drunken fools to be seen on the news.

No more children killing themselves because of a owner who Forgot to lock up his weapons.

But to evolve as a much smarter people who only want peace and prosperity for the land.

I HATE GUNS PERIOD.....and you should to.God said thall shall not kill.But you want to KILL anyway.

What a EVIL race we have become.So when our WONDERFUL Government comes for YER GUNS

GIVE THEM to our Government and live!God will BLESS you when the time comes.Which is better?

Letting us LIBS pry them out of yer hands after the troops wipe you out OR surrendering those nasty

ole guns and Living? the choice shall be YOURS.God Bless you all.any questions?

Rebuilds the hornets nest out of titanium upholsters the inside with felt and GENTLY places it back

into the room in PEACE.

I know what your thinking and dont do it please!

Isnt it funny I just posted something like this earlier about guns I wonder why our government posted

this today?Hmmmm Thank You Obama for saving our lives! Amen

I tried every way to word this as nicely as I could to warn you.Make no mistake they will take them

and you wont have much of a choice when they come for them.Heed this warning because I do care

about you even thou I am a LIB as you call me.

From one of your loyal sheep PG.

Now thats some GOOD SWEET BROWN as shabibilicous says.

[sxsess]

Yep Im gonna be a problem . I m Not giving my guns up to anybody

I'm with you dog my brother! I would lay down my life for you and any other american that praises our constitution. The only way they get my guns is if they kill me first!! Bank on that. I say BRING IT ON!!!!

Hey girl that looks just like one of my charished assault rifles!! My beloved S&W AR-15. I really love her.. She is so beautiful and when I touch her I feel as if I'm going to have a big 'O'!! Haha. She is so nice and gentle. Liberals always say guns are bad, but my AR is so good to me. She protects me from evil people and from this tyrannical govt. The only time I have to disipline her is when she gets around liberals. Then she gets very naughty.....

[sxsess]

I hope the liberals come out to my house and pick mine up. The ones that survive will need to use their Obamacare.

Haha jonjon thats good!! Just remember, the only thing we need to be doing right now is continue stocking up on ammunition. This is the first thing that will be controlled. I've been in Africa since right before the election results that made me puke. After I recovered with extreme anger I ordered several more 1000 rounds of .223, .308. Also ordered 9MM, .44mag,12G PP shotgun shells right here form Chevron if you can believe that!!! Weapons & ammo of anykind is forbidden in this God forsaken hell hole. Ha, I think its funny that I was able to order a small arsenal of ammo from a Chevron computer in Africa and have sent to my home in the Great State Of TEXAS!!! Well I thought it was pretty cool. I'm sure all the liberals would agree!! Haha

[Maggie123]

3/16/2012 @ 4:23PM |19,071 views

NSA's New Data Center And Supercomputer Aim To Crack World's Strongest Encryption

The NSA's Fort Meade, Maryland headquarters.

James Bamford has a way of digging up the facts that lend credence to America’s worst privacy fears about its own government. Now the author and investigative reporter who wrote the definitive portraits of the National Security Agency in his books The Puzzle Palace, Body of Secrets and The Shadow Factory has drawn a picture of ubiquitous surveillance that seems mind-boggling even by NSA standards.

In his just-published cover story for Wired, Bamford lays out the NSA’s plans for a vast new facility in Bluffdale, Utah that aims to become a storage and analysis hub for the record-breakingly massive collections of Internet traffic data that the NSA hopes to gather in coming years not from just foreign networks, but domestic ones as well.

The story adds confirmation to what the New York Times revealed in 2005: that the NSA has engaged in widespread wiretapping of Americans with the consent of firms like AT&T and Verizon. But more interestingly–and more troubling in the eyes of many who value their privacy–it details the Agency’s plans to crack AES encryption, the cryptographic standard certified by the NSA itself in 2009 for military and government use and until now considered uncrackable in any amount of time relevant to mortals.

Using what will likely be the world’s fastest supercomputer and the world’s largest data storage and analysis facility, the NSA plans to comb unimaginably voluminous troves of messages for patterns they could use to crack AES and weaker encryption schemes, according to Bamford’s story. A few of the facts he’s uncovered:

• The $2 billion data center being built in Utah would have four 25,000 square-foot halls filled with servers, as well as another 900,000 square feet for administration.
• It will use 65 megawatts of electricity a year , with an annual bill of $40 million, and incorporates a $10 million security system.
• Since 2001, the NSA has intercepted and stored between 15 and 20 trillion messages, according to the estimate of ex-NSA scientist Bill Binney. It now aims to store yottabytes of data. A yottabyte is a million billions of gigabytes. According to one storage firm’s estimate in 2009, a yottabyte would cover the entire states of Rhode Island and Delaware with data centers.
• When the Department of Energy began a supercomputing project in 2004 that took the title of the world’s fastest known computer from IBM in 2009 with its “Jaguar” system, it simultaneously created a secret track for the same program focused on cracking codes. The project took place in a $41 million, 214,000 square foot building at Oak Ridge National Lab with 318 scientists and other staff. The supercomputer produced there was faster than the so-called “world’s fastest” Jaguar.
• The NSA project now aims to break the “exaflop barrier” by building a supercomputer a hundred times faster than the fastest existing today, the Japanese “K Computer.” That code-breaking system is projected to use 200 megawatts of power, about as much as would power 200,000 homes.

Read Wired’s story here.

http://www.forbes.co...rongest-crypto/

Edited November 20, 2012 by Maggie123

[PowerGeneration]

Thank You Maggie! Alot of folks conspiring in here and it will be seen by these folks.

They are going to crack something alright goat head and laugh now get it out of your system.

And I dont care how many hunting licenses your state has issued your very tiny arms and AR15 which is junk

is just short range weapons and against our troops you wont last long.Everytime you buy guns, ammo

or anykind of weapons they know who bought them.Your in for a BIG surprise if you think everyone

at the same time is going to fight against our soldiers.It will be as god said "your blood will be up to the bridal

on his horses neck" You will not win and wont be remembered as any kind of hero only in your own mind.

Understand unless you have a M1Abrahams or patriot missle defenses 120mm mortars and soforth

they will swat you like a fly either on the ground or in the air.Your going to lose BAD.

So get your Sabo's ready oh thats right you dont have that and not many have a weapon that will stop our forces.

Those nasty little tiny things like carpet bombs can make a really big mess fast and what was it that you said you

had OH thats right your tiny little ar15 it will be like me shooting a tank with my Red Rider BB Gun and destroying it.

And us Libs are crazy! You guys are way out there.Blown way out there is more like it.

I love my Government and would never bear arms against her.Keep typing your threats and by all means secede

your secession away from me and the innocent that will follow what our leaders tell us to do.

Your choice is one of DEATH and mine is the choice of life and I choose life.

So take your war out into the desert away from the innocent so at least you will be close to your grave.

Hiding behind the innocent will only get them killed along with you.If I thought you had a chance even with

one arm and eye I would stand and fight with you but reality tells me we have NOT ONE CHANCE against

them.Good luck with whatever you choose.

Wraps a warm blanket around the hornets nest to attempt to calm the Hornets and stop them from a certain death.

God Bless Us All. I know I am not your friend because I am a Lib hated by all republicans and I tell you the truth.

stop writing your threats for all to see.

[Maggie123]

Thank You Maggie! Alot of folks conspiring in here and it will be seen by these folks.

I love my Government and would never bear arms against her.

Your choice is one of DEATH and mine is the choice of life and I choose life.

Hiding behind the innocent will only get them killed along with you.

Wraps a warm blanket around the hornets nest to attempt to calm the Hornets and stop them from a certain death.

God Bless Us All. I know I am not your friend because I am a Lib hated by all republicans and I tell you the truth.

stop writing your threats for all to see.

Hi PG

Not too sure how much "I trust our government, but I would never bear arms against her... let me clearify...

I don't believe that our military... our kids...would bear arms against us. They would choose "life" too... for us and them.

Call me "Pollyanna"... but I happen to know a couple of kids in the military and I don't believe for a minute they would ever turn on us.

They are there because THEY want to protect us.

Hugs, Maggie

PS. I'm sure you know what I mean.

[Maggie123]

You Give Good Advise.

You May Be Wiser Than Some Here May Think... My Friend.

Hugs, Maggie

[yota691]

God said shall shall not kill.

The Bible has many wars and it talks about future wars..oh and if you forgot what happen on Calvary.. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 (1 John 4:16)

[Maggie123]

The Bible has many wars and it talks about future wars..oh and if you forgot what happen on Calvary.. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16 (1 John 4:16)

STOP YELLING!!!

Sheesh... That's Better.

"Thou Shalt Not Kill" Straight From God's Mouth.

Now there are many versions of the "Bible"...

I Try To Follow The "Ten Commandmant's" As Best I Can.

You want to Tell Me What THOSE Are?

All 10 Of Them??? Just Checking.

Edited November 20, 2012 by Maggie123

[Maggie123]

Hey Thank's For The Neg... Mighty "Christian" Of You.

Who Ever You Are...

Edited November 20, 2012 by Maggie123