we petition the obama administration to:

[TPSprayduster]

Hey, just because a bunch of brainless, lib, socialist, humanistic athiest, muslim, Israel hating, obama supporters "pummel", does not make them right or the truth anything but that, the truth.

why don't you tell us all what your previous DV profile name is.

You must work for him, or lacking in any form of good judgement.

Name calling is against the forum rules Sport have you not been spoken to before about this?

[sportfisher]

Name calling is against the forum rules Sport have you not been spoken to before about this?

hey sorry, I gave you a plus on accident LOL, so who exactly was called a name?

I think the only thing you got right in all of that was humanist. I don't appreciate the way in which you use the rest of those words though. The fact that you have such an upset tone (the anger behind the descriptive words) is suggestive of your own insecurities. . . and that's fine. Obviously, I would appreciate you speaking with a little more respect but if I'm not going to get that then I don't see the need for this discourse in the future.

Ok, if you are a humanist, then you are against God and that explains why you hate Israel, because you follow satan and his deceptions. I'm not upset or have a tone, I am confident and you don't like it, that really is your problem, no insecurities here, try again. :lol:

[hame55]

sign the petition here at White House website.

http://wh.gov/9h82

send this link to all fellow Americans.

Dude...you're in serious denial, man. You have got to be kidding. The man has BEEN in office four years. Do you think that he would be President for four years and no Republican lawmakers in high places would have called for this?

Because they know it's a dead end. Perhaps your efforts would be better placed recounting votes in Ohio...LOL

Hey, just because a bunch of brainless, lib, socialist, humanistic athiest, muslim, Israel hating, obama supporters "pummel", does not make them right or the truth anything but that, the truth.

why don't you tell us all what your previous DV profile name is.

You must work for him, or lacking in any form of good judgement.

Four more years, Sport.

And by the way, any MODS out there? This Fisher is calling names right and left, but since he's on the RIGHT side, he doesn't get warned he'll lose posting privileges...just sayin'

[sportfisher]

Dude...you're in serious denial, man. You have got to be kidding. The man has BEEN in office four years. Do you think that he would be President for four years and no Republican lawmakers in high places would have called for this?

Because they know it's a dead end. Perhaps your efforts would be better placed recounting votes in Ohio...LOL

Four more years, Sport.

And by the way, any MODS out there? This Fisher is calling names right and left, but since he's on the RIGHT side, he doesn't get warned he'll lose posting privileges...just sayin'

I am not in denial, but your mind has fallen victim to the delusions & perversions of the democratic party and it's associates.

who has been called a name?

is your claiming I'm in denial name calling...........no.

neither is me stating your mind has fallen victim to delusion............not name calling.

simply identifying politcal or religious categories is not name calling.

now, for example, if I said, "you are an asswipe", well then that would be name calling.

[dinar_stud]

Sure she did....Just more Liberal lies on top of old ones...

How can you tell when a Lib is lying?...Their mouth is open

Its a fake....period...the proof is in the video

The document is so obviously a fraud, it must have been

put out there for a purpose...Nobody is that stupid....Wait, this is

the bumbling fumbling Obama Admin....They probably had some

intern with no real photoshop experience do it....

They certainly would'nt want a pro to see what they were doing...

Seriously, its laughably fraudulent.

The fact that you are rehashing the debunked layers conspiracy proves you do not know about computers and much less about Adobe.

WND.com the ultimate source of birthers even tried that one and requested 2 forensic, Jon Berryhill the COO of Berryhill Computer Forensics and Ivan Zatkovich of eComp Consultants. You may never have read the reports because WND never published them for 2 very simple reasons:

1. Jon Berryyhill said

A second opinion, from Jon Berryhill of Berryhill Computer Forensics, said for a complete analysis, access to the original document would be best.

As experts they would reserve their opinion,

2. Ivan Zatkovich did study the PDF document and his findings were

believe it is fairly objective, and don’t believe WND’s excerpt was quite accurate.

All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.

Missiing WND Report

The facts, science and documented experts disprove the layers conspiracy. By the way Mr. Zatkovich has an impressive career, having given forensic testimony in federal civil and criminal trials, what is the resume on the maker of this video??

You can watch the video all you want all you are watching is what is fondly called "junk science"..

Here is another youtube video and it debunks this conspiracy theory in front of your eyes.

Edited November 18, 2012 by dinar_stud

[Lostenso]

And by the way, any MODS out there? This Fisher is calling names right and left, but since he's on the RIGHT side, he doesn't get warned he'll lose posting privileges...just sayin'

Yeah, it gets old. Call republicans idiots (in general) . . . mod review. Anyone leaning left is a commie, Muslim, blah blah blah. No problem there!

Edited November 18, 2012 by Lostenso

[sportfisher]

Yeah, it gets old. Call republicans idiots (in general) . . . mod review. Anyone leaning left is a commie, Muslim, blah blah blah. No problem there!

your deluded mind fails to note the difference between calling someone an "idiot" or "asswipe" versus categorizing group persuasion such as birther, right winger, rep, dem, liberal, conservative, muslim, christian, jesus freak, commie, communist, socialist, atheist, humanist, evolutionist, creationist.

[TPSprayduster]

your deluded mind fails to note the difference between calling someone an "idiot" or "asswipe" versus categorizing group persuasion such as birther, right winger, rep, dem, liberal, conservative, muslim, christian, jesus freak, commie, communist, socialist, atheist, humanist, evolutionist, creationist.

You are painting yourself into a corner.

[cris]

The fact that you are rehashing the debunked layers conspiracy proves you do not know about computers and much less about Adobe.

WND.com the ultimate source of birthers even tried that one and requested 2 forensic, Jon Berryhill the COO of Berryhill Computer Forensics and Ivan Zatkovich of eComp Consultants. You may never have read the reports because WND never published them for 2 very simple reasons:

1. Jon Berryyhill said

A second opinion, from Jon Berryhill of Berryhill Computer Forensics, said for a complete analysis, access to the original document would be best.

Access to the original document is needed, because

this one is laughably fraudulent

As experts they would reserve their opinion,

They reserve their opinion....So, no testimony here

this can be tossed as evidence

2. Ivan Zatkovich did study the PDF document and his findings were

All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.

This is a funny one because his own

testimony is, that the document was manipulated to

'enhance legibility'

He confirms that layers were added to 'inhance legibility'

thats the only way that a scanned copy could be 'inhanced'

The facts, science and documented experts disprove the layers conspiracy. By the way Mr. Zatkovich has an impressive career, having given forensic testimony in federal civil and criminal trials, what is the resume on the maker of this video??

Since you show no facts or science.

other than the document was manipulated,

This can be used as evidence for the prosecution

You can watch the video all you want all you are watching is what is fondly called "junk science"..

Here is another youtube video and it debunks this conspiracy theory in front of your eyes.

What you may not know, is I work with

drawing programs every day...Layers arent

just magically 'there' on any drawing...They must be

created....There are options to create those layers,

but a scanned document has only one 'layer' to

begin with

So what you have here in your video

is another lie piled on top of all the other

lies....Thats a good way to describe 'layers'

This video is the top layer of a pile of lies.

The German Birth Certificate was manipulated

prior to this video.....Layers were added...Actually

added to the point of ridiculousness.

I can understand why WND wouldnt post this report....

Without personal experience with this type of program

or the way it functions, they must rely on 'experts'...

If after the fact the 'expert' is shown to be another

Lib Liar, they certainly wouldnt publish the findings.

[cris]

I have to admit....That was pretty funny & ballsy dinar-stud

What you didnt know, is I have Drawing Program experience all

the way back to 1985 (27 years) when I was working with software

programs developed for USGS

If the O'blah Admin had sought Professional help, that document (the BC)

would be more difficult to prove as a forgery...

Hell, I could have easily done a better job of forging the BC, and my final

work would have been a single layer....If you know what your doing, thats

an easy last step.

Also, the signatures and other drawn areas are just plain silly....With some

time, and my drawing skill, I could reproduce those signatures...I would

use an ink copy of a forged signature though.

the person that did that, didnt understand the difference between an ink

signature and a computer generated drawing.

Here's the problem with a forged ink signature...

Unless you're really good, the emphases is on the

wrong parts of a 'drawn' signature....

Forgeries are exposed every day for this reason...

there is a huge market for signatures of every kind,

and they must be documented as real before they

have any value.

[lenoree]

Dude...you're in serious denial, man. You have got to be kidding. The man has BEEN in office four years. Do you think that he would be President for four years and no Republican lawmakers in high places would have called for this?

Because they know it's a dead end. Perhaps your efforts would be better placed recounting votes in O

Four more years, Sport.

And by the way, any MODS out there? This Fisher is calling names right and left, but since he's on the RIGHT side, he doesn't get warned he'll lose posting privileges...just sayin'

Not used to posting so screwed up my first attempt..BUT..PRESIDENT Obama was fully vetted years ago! Does anyone else remember how Newt Gingrich went after the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal with a vengance...dog with a bone is a mild description.. NO WAY NEVER EVER would this get past the repubs..that is the reality here.

Edited November 18, 2012 by lenoree

[dinar_stud]

I have to admit....That was pretty funny & ballsy dinar-stud

What you didnt know, is I have Drawing Program experience all

the way back to 1985 (27 years) when I was working with software

programs developed for USGS

If the O'blah Admin had sought Professional help, that document (the BC)

would be more difficult to prove as a forgery...

Hell, I could have easily done a better job of forging the BC, and my final

work would have been a single layer....If you know what your doing, thats

an easy last step.

Also, the signatures and other drawn areas are just plain silly....With some

time, and my drawing skill, I could reproduce those signatures...I would

use an ink copy of a forged signature though.

the person that did that, didnt understand the difference between an ink

signature and a computer generated drawing.

Here's the problem with a forged ink signature...

Unless you're really good, the emphases is on the

wrong parts of a 'drawn' signature....

Forgeries are exposed every day for this reason...

there is a huge market for signatures of every kind,

and they must be documented as real before they

have any value.

Nice to see you claim to be an expert in the field, what are your credentials and expereience in the forensic document part???? Corsi and Arpaio have "document experts" and yet they have no scientific or valid expertise, No birther "expert" or birther in general has taken this through the judicial system, what they have done is put it in books and sold their"evidence" to make a buck off of the people that have their heads in the sand and refuse to see that every single birther conspiracy debunked.

I posted the findings of 2 forensic document experts, that were contacted by wnd.com (birther central) and wnd.com did not post the findings because it would have killed that conspiracy immediatly. You ca claim all you want but a homemade youtube video has no standing agaiunsta forensic document experts with federal civil and criminal trials.

Enhancing legibility, they made it so that you can properly read it, they did not add or take away information, nice try but that does not make it a fake. You can believe all you want, but this has been debunked.

Cris why dont you try to call this a lie also.

Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/#ixzz2Cb9mftuF

In that article it states quite clearly:

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

Jean-Claude Tremblay Straight from Adobe web page.

Adobe Certified Expert - Illustrator CS4/CS5 / Indesign CS4/CS5 / Photoshop CS4/CS5 / Acrobat Pro 9/X

Edited November 18, 2012 by dinar_stud

[IMTIRED]

"Why does it matter where he is from?"

Are you serious?

There's this little piece of paper that requires that the POTUS must be a "natural born citizen".

I know that you Obama lovers never let that ole nasty Constitution get in your way.

You people are hopeless and very sad.

[dinar_stud]

"Why does it matter where he is from?"

Are you serious?

There's this little piece of paper that requires that the POTUS must be a "natural born citizen".

I know that you Obama lovers never let that ole nasty Constitution get in your way.

You people are hopeless and very sad.

Tell me IMTIRED what part of the Constitution makes Obama ineligible?? The Constitution itself does not explain exactly what a natural born citizen is, but legal SCOTUS decisions have and you forget the 14th amendment. So tell me how is he disqualified??

[cris]

Here's your expert in another WND article...

This is straight from Trembly.....So, maybe now you can

find another so called 'expert' that refutes your whole argument...

Thats 3 down....Got any more?

FOX NEWS EXPERT DENIES HE CLAIMED BIRTH CERTIFICATE LEGIT

Angry at network for refusing to retract its story on Obama document

Published: 06/21/2011 at 8:32 PM

NEW YORK – The computer graphics expert Fox News relied upon to claim the birth certificate the White House released April 27 was legitimate insists that the network must retract the story, claiming it deliberately misquoted him and continues to ignore his repeated requests.

Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.

Tremblay refused to comment on WND reports by scanner expert Doug Vogt or by typography expert Paul Irey that the Obama birth certificate is a forgery.

“I have no idea why the White House would provide a scan of a document that had been run through OCR software,” he said, “and I’m not an expert on the image modification or typography arguments other experts have made.”

Specifically regarding Vogt and Irey, Tremblay said, “I have no explanation why some of the text in the document may have been changed and why other parts of the text may not have been changed.”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

Looks like your 'expert' doesnt have a clue

and since he admittedly doesnt have any idea how the software works,

and I do....from 27 years of experience, looks like I could also get a job

testifying in Court Cases....Maybe I'll check into that business avenue.

[IMTIRED]

Tell me IMTIRED what part of the Constitution makes Obama ineligible?? The Constitution itself does not explain exactly what a natural born citizen is, but legal SCOTUS decisions have and you forget the 14th amendment. So tell me how is he disqualified??

A simple READING of the requirements to be POTUS in the U.S. Constitution would be more that sufficient to understand that Obama has never been eligible and will never be eligible to be President; not a "natural born citizen".....period. (Born to two U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth).

Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Live and learn.

Too bad that there is not one Statesman left in Washington to demand Obama's bona fides.

[dinar_stud]

Here's your expert in another WND article...

This is straight from Trembly.....So, maybe now you can

find another so called 'expert' that refutes your whole argument...

Thats 3 down....Got any more?

FOX NEWS EXPERT DENIES HE CLAIMED BIRTH CERTIFICATE LEGIT

Angry at network for refusing to retract its story on Obama document

Published: 06/21/2011 at 8:32 PM

NEW YORK – The computer graphics expert Fox News relied upon to claim the birth certificate the White House released April 27 was legitimate insists that the network must retract the story, claiming it deliberately misquoted him and continues to ignore his repeated requests.

Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.

Tremblay refused to comment on WND reports by scanner expert Doug Vogt or by typography expert Paul Irey that the Obama birth certificate is a forgery.

“I have no idea why the White House would provide a scan of a document that had been run through OCR software,” he said, “and I’m not an expert on the image modification or typography arguments other experts have made.”

Specifically regarding Vogt and Irey, Tremblay said, “I have no explanation why some of the text in the document may have been changed and why other parts of the text may not have been changed.”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

Looks like your 'expert' doesnt have a clue

and since he admittedly doesnt have any idea how the software works,

and I do....from 27 years of experience, looks like I could also get a job

testifying in Court Cases....Maybe I'll check into that business avenue.

WND.com is as reliable as the weekly world news, the fact that they did not post the reports of the forensic experts, that they paid for, because it debunked the layers conspiracy makes them as reliable as supermarket tabloids. Try again.

A simple READING of the requirements to be POTUS in the U.S. Constitution would be more that sufficient to understand that Obama has never been eligible and will never be eligible to be President; not a "natural born citizen".....period. (Born to two U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth).

Article 2 Section 1

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Live and learn.

Too bad that there is not one Statesman left in Washington to demand Obama's bona fides.

Very good you are correct. Now tell me where it explains what a natural born citizen is.

How about I help you there:

Elk v Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94 (1884)

The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the constitution, by which ‘no person, except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president;’ and ‘the congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.’Const. art. 2, § 1; art. 1, § 8.

Note here that “citizens by birth” are contrasted to naturalized citizens, with the former eligible to be president.

This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898)

This post 14th Amendment case is important both because it provides a broad survey of citizenship law and the legal framework through which the Constitution views citizenship, and because this decision is cited by numerous other cases.

[An alien parent's] allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case, 7 Coke, 6a, ’strong enough to make a natural subject, for, if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject’

The Wong court also said:

“Subject’ and ‘citizen’ are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives; and though the term ‘citizen’ seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, ’subjects,’ for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land.’

and

…every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.

Kwock Jan Fat v. White, 253 U.S. 454 (1920)

It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son of Kwock Tuck Lee and his wife, Tom Ying Shee, he was born to them when they were permanently domiciled in the United States, is a citizen thereof, and is entitled to admission to the country. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649. But, while it is conceded that he is certainly the same person who, upon full investigation, was found, in March, 1915, by the then Commissioner of Immigration, to be a natural born American citizen...

Attorney General Edward Bates, Opinion on Citizenship (1862)

The Constitution itself does not make the citizens, (it is. in fact,made by them.) It only intends and recognizes such of them as are natural–”home-born–”and provides for the naturalization of such of them as were alien–”foreign-born–”making the latter, as far as nature will allow, like the former. …

And our Constitution, in speaking of natural born citizens, uses no affirmative language to make them such, but only recognizes and reaffirms the universal principle, common to all nations, and as old as political society, that the people born in a country do constitute the nation, and, as individuals, are natural members of the body politic.

If this be a true principle, and I do not doubt it, it follows that every person born in the country is, at the moment of birth, prima facie a citizen; and he who would deny it must take upon himself the burden of proving some great disfranchisement strong enough to override the “natural born” right as recognized by the Constitution in terms the most simple and comprehensive …

And so strongly was Congress impressed with the great legal fact that the child takes its political status in the nation where it is born, that it was found necessary to pass a law to prevent the alienage of children of our known fellow-citizens who happen to be born in foreign countries. The act of February 10, 1855, 10 Statutes, 604, provides that “persons,” (not white persons,) ” persons heretofore born, or hereafter to be born, out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be deemed and considered and are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States: Provided, however, That the rights of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers never resided in the United States.”

Attorney General Edward Bates, Opinion on Citizenship of Children Born in the United States of Alien Parents (1862)

]I am quite clear in the opinion that children born in the United States of alien parents, who have never been naturalized, are native-born citizens of the United States

Citizenship of Children Born in the United States of Alien Parents[/color], 10 U.S. Op. Atty. Gen. 328, 1862 WL 1393 (U.S.A.G.

), available on Westlaw (paid subscription).

I shown you part of my proof that prove Obama is elegible as per the constitution, now where is yours

Edited November 18, 2012 by dinar_stud

[dinar_stud]

Here's your expert in another WND article...

This is straight from Trembly.....So, maybe now you can

find another so called 'expert' that refutes your whole argument...

Thats 3 down....Got any more?

FOX NEWS EXPERT DENIES HE CLAIMED BIRTH CERTIFICATE LEGIT

Angry at network for refusing to retract its story on Obama document

Published: 06/21/2011 at 8:32 PM

NEW YORK – The computer graphics expert Fox News relied upon to claim the birth certificate the White House released April 27 was legitimate insists that the network must retract the story, claiming it deliberately misquoted him and continues to ignore his repeated requests.

Jean Claude Tremblay told WND that none of his comments would permit the conclusion that the Obama birth certificate is an authentic document.

Tremblay refused to comment on WND reports by scanner expert Doug Vogt or by typography expert Paul Irey that the Obama birth certificate is a forgery.

“I have no idea why the White House would provide a scan of a document that had been run through OCR software,” he said, “and I’m not an expert on the image modification or typography arguments other experts have made.”

Specifically regarding Vogt and Irey, Tremblay said, “I have no explanation why some of the text in the document may have been changed and why other parts of the text may not have been changed.”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

Looks like your 'expert' doesnt have a clue

and since he admittedly doesnt have any idea how the software works,

and I do....from 27 years of experience, looks like I could also get a job

testifying in Court Cases....Maybe I'll check into that business avenue.

Papa, Polland, Vogt, Irey, Zebest and a long list of other Internet desk jockeys have claimed that the image of President Obama’s long form Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth of a forgery. Let me ask you two questions,. Have any of these people:

1. Testified in court as an expert in document fraud or document forensics?1

2. Been accredited by any of the national professional associations for document examiners?

3. Taught document fraud detection and forensics at a recognized institution of higher learning?

4. Earned their living regularly providing document fraud detection services?

The obvious answer is “no.”

So given that fact, why has no one employed someone qualified by the criteria I listed ever said that the long form PDF is a fake and published their report? If a credentialed document examiner concluded the form was a fraud, it would be real evidence that could be presented in court. It would be huge. It would all of Obots scrambling for cover. So why has it not been done?2

1. Mr. Papa testified in Atlanta, but Judge Malihi stated in his ruling that he was not “qualified.”

2. WorldNetDaily actually hired three credentialed experts, but never published their reports. One of them, Zatkovich, published the report himself, saying no proof of fraud. WorldNetDaily writer Aaron Klein stated that all three said basically the same thing.

[desimo]

Will never happen because this piece of imported poo has his machine in place and paid for by big money. America has been bought, paid for and now owned. Our last election was a sham with just window dressing for political view.

[Lostenso]

WND.com is as reliable as the weekly world news, the fact that they did not post the reports of the forensic experts, that they paid for, because it debunked the layers conspiracy makes them as reliable as supermarket tabloids. Try again.

The difference? Weekly World News is awesome. +1 to the page 5 girl

[IMTIRED]

Very good you are correct. Now tell me where it explains what a natural born citizen is.

How about I help you there:

Elk v Wilkins, 112 U. S. 94 (1884)

I shown you part of my proof that prove Obama is elegible as per the constitution, now where is yours

Thanks for posting all of those court cases. You must really be brilliant.

You are making this much to difficult. On purpose I'm sure.

Why do you think that for as many times as "citizen" is mentioned in the Constitution, the only time "natural born" is mentioned is in conjunction with the requirement to become President?

You know very well what the Founding Fathers meant by the term "natural born citizen" (but you will never admit it because it does not comport to your narrative). It is solely there to prevent anyone with duel allegiances (like that POS Obama) from becoming the Commander and Chief of our Armed Forces.

No they did not define the term because they never imagined in a thousand years that there would be citizens in their country that would do anything, and I mean anything to gain power at any expense and destroy this once great nation.

People like you and your ilk discuss me.

[cris]

Papa, Polland, Vogt, Irey, Zebest and a long list of other Internet desk jockeys have claimed that the image of President Obama’s long form Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth of a forgery. Let me ask you two questions,. Have any of these people:

1. Testified in court as an expert in document fraud or document forensics?1

2. Been accredited by any of the national professional associations for document examiners?

3. Taught document fraud detection and forensics at a recognized institution of higher learning?

4. Earned their living regularly providing document fraud detection services?

The obvious answer is “no.”

So given that fact, why has no one employed someone qualified by the criteria I listed ever said that the long form PDF is a fake and published their report? If a credentialed document examiner concluded the form was a fraud, it would be real evidence that could be presented in court. It would be huge. It would all of Obots scrambling for cover. So why has it not been done?2

1. Mr. Papa testified in Atlanta, but Judge Malihi stated in his ruling that he was not “qualified.”

2. WorldNetDaily actually hired three credentialed experts, but never published their reports. One of them, Zatkovich, published the report himself, saying no proof of fraud. WorldNetDaily writer Aaron Klein stated that all three said basically the same thing.

These are your experts....Lmao...These are what you have brought in as

proof....now you're saying they legitimize your argument, that there is no proof

....Your funny DS......And I agree, these experts have only shown that they wont

speculate, or in the case of one, that they help the prosecution...

As to why?....Because there are people in high places that dont want this

information out there....An expert wouldnt want recriminations from the O'blah Admin.

He and his Chicago thugs are known for going after folks they dont like.

[dinar_stud]

IMTIRED, as stated the SCOTUS cases I quoted are what we have to go on by because the founding fathers did not give a clear definition of the term "natural born citizen". The fact that these cases go into the precedents of the founding fathers is all we have to go by. After all the Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all the Constitution. So if they have stated time after time that one way to become a natural born citizen is "Jus Soli" what else do you need?? They are interpreting the Constitution after all.

These are your experts....Lmao...These are what you have brought in as

proof....now you're saying they legitimize your argument, that there is no proof

....Your funny DS......And I agree, these experts have only shown that they wont

speculate, or in the case of one, that they help the prosecution...

As to why?....Because there are people in high places that dont want this

information out there....An expert wouldnt want recriminations from the O'blah Admin.

He and his Chicago thugs are known for going after folks they dont like.

You are laughing at wnd experts you are defending, they happ[en to be birther "experts". I am not defending them I am throwing them under the bus since WND, Corsi, Orly Taitz and Arpasiob all tried to use these "experts" and they all have been debunked both as experts and their proof.

IMTIRED, why do I discuss or is it disgust you?? Is it because I have researched the birther case to come to my own conclusion and it differs from yours??? or is it because I have sided with the law and the Constitution like the judges of the 177 birther cases that have been thrown out because they have no merit??

You have the right to your reality but not to the facts, and the facts are simple Obama is a natural born citizen.

Edited November 18, 2012 by dinar_stud

[cris]

You are laughing at wnd experts you are defending, they happ[en to be birther "experts". I am not defending them I am throwing them under the bus since WND, Corsi, Orly Taitz and Arpasiob all tried to use these "experts" and they all have been debunked both as experts and their proof.

Then we are in agreement....These so called 'experts' neither legitimize

nor disqualify the Document...

Leaving my original Video as solid proof that the BC is fake & fraudulent...

So fraudulent that a 20 something kid with computer experience could

tear it to pieces.

Cool

[dinar_stud]

Then we are in agreement....These so called 'experts' neither legitimize

nor disqualify the Document...

Leaving my original Video as solid proof that the BC is fake & fraudulent...

So fraudulent that a 20 something kid with computer experience could

tear it to pieces.

Cool

We do not completely agree, the so called "birther " experts are the one that have no credibility. The ones that have been used in federal civil and local courts like Ivan Zatkovich do have credibility and as he said, other then adjusting for readability there is no fraud in the COLB document.

Edited November 18, 2012 by dinar_stud