Texas Annexation

[stonewall67]

Oh Are You Going To Pay Attention NOW? HA!

I've been paying attention!!! Correct me if I'm wrong but, are you not a supporter of Obama and progressive ideology? It was the father of American progressive ideology that reinstated the fed (formerly called the 2nd Bank of the USA, a national bank that was shut down by Andrew Jackson). Woodrow Wilson did America an injustice when he did so and Obama is just an extension of those same progressive ideals.

[paperboy]

I've merged these two topics, same subject, just labeled differently.

dinar_stud - you started both of these topics within minutes of each other on the same subject. Please try to put all your thoughts into one thread when it's on the same subject.

Now, on to the subject you're addressing. There are many differing opinions across the country of ours about what Texas can and cannot do. And apparently, even the facts aren't necessarily the "FACTS". So unless you are a TEXAS HISTORY major, maybe you can refrain from telling us Texans what we can and cannot do. Here's a link that will give you a little history on Texas' right to secede. There are many more links, if you'd like to go looking.

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

No, it may not be easy to secede, but if this country keeps going in the direction it's going, most Texans will gladly do what they have to do to protect this great State. I agree with stonewall, I signed the petition. No, I really don't want Texas to secede, but I'm standing on the edge of a cliff and I don't like being pushed - I'll fight before I fall off that edge!

[stonewall67]

I'm sorry stonewall I accidently hit minus when I tried to plus you. I'll make up for it my friend.

No problem!!!

[Maggie123]

Oh Good... What In The Hell?

Oh I mean we are all "special" like in "heaven"...

Bla... Bla... Bla...

Yes WE ARE FORTUNATE! The Anointed Ones... Don't Be So Cocky.

We Are NOT going to take over the EARTH... Let alone a single frigking State.... We are are DONE.

Time To Get HUMBLE Folks. Come Together... Truly... and PREPARE.

[uncirculd]

I've been paying attention!!! Correct me if I'm wrong but, are you not a supporter of Obama and progressive ideology? It was the father of American progressive ideology that reinstated the fed (formerly called the 2nd Bank of the USA, a national bank that was shut down by Andrew Jackson). Woodrow Wilson did America an injustice when he did so and Obama is just an extension of those same progressive ideals.

Your right about honor and handshakes. A man is as good as his word still in texas. Hey, Kennedy was going to take out the Feds and some say that is why he was assassinated. I kind of believe it. They have extracted so much money from the American people and now they have destroyed Europe with toxic loans. Capitalism, they should have known would not work for the socialist economy. It can't. It's a mess. We will make it. I don't want that big ole story, but the US knows capitalism and how to secure it. It's going to be hard with the regulations that has been killing the industry. It is one of the reasons I voted Romney. America is great and our economy supports it. I am worried about it. We cut off our nose despite our face. The dems and reps have different ways of doing things. Right now I don't think a dem is gonna pull us out of it. I just hope he does. Pray he does, so I could be wrong.

[stonewall67]

Oh Good... What In The Hell?

Oh I mean we are all "special" like in "heaven"...

Bla... Bla... Bla...

Yes WE ARE FORTUNATE! The Anointed Ones... Don't Be So Cocky.

We Are NOT going to take over the EARTH... Let alone a single frigking State.... We are are DONE.

Time To Get HUMBLE Folks. Come Together... Truly... and PREPARE.

I believe we are anointed!! Should we be cocky? No we should be humble but proud and remain fiercely loyal to the American ideal! As for coming together...... if coming together means me accepting liberalism and progressivism then count us divided! At no time will I accept an ideology that has historically and presently been proven to cause the demise of any nation that embraces it's misguided ideas.

[uncirculd]

Oh Good... What In The Hell?

Oh I mean we are all "special" like in "heaven"...

Bla... Bla... Bla...

Yes WE ARE FORTUNATE! The Anointed Ones... Don't Be So Cocky.

We Are NOT going to take over the EARTH... Let alone a single frigking State.... We are are DONE.

Time To Get HUMBLE Folks. Come Together... Truly... and PREPARE.

Maggie, are you smiling? You don't sound like it. Who is "we" and when are these "we" taking over the earth? What do they want? Prepare for what? Are you just going off? I hope your smiling. I am a believer and I think your not. I think we already had this conversation. And we respect each other. My husband is agnostic, heaven forbid if I say athiest again. He would correct me. So who's taking over, what are they taking over, and when do I prepare? I'm so confused! Ah, I got it. The bankers. heck they've already taken over. It just hasn't totally taken affect yet.

[stonewall67]

Goodnight Maggie.... I hope to continue this later! In the mean time, ask yourself this...... Why did our founding fathers decide that the best route to take was the one so obviously most difficult and life threatening? Liberty and freedom!!! That's my answer to this question! Now ask yourself this.... What is liberty and freedom and do we still have these today???

[Maggie123]

I believe we are anointed!! Should we be cocky? No we should be humble but proud and remain fiercely loyal to the American ideal! As for coming together...... if coming together means me accepting liberalism and progressivism then count us divided! At no time will I accept an ideology that has historically and presently been proven to cause the demise of any nation that embraces it's misguided ideas.

STONEWALL... I LOVE YOU... But I will NEVER BELIEVE this divide... I am not buying it.

I love this country as much as you do my friend... I am not even thinking about "DIVIDING IT"...

Please Pay Attention To The True Issues... I Know You Can And Will.

Hugs Maggie

[uncirculd]

STONEWALL... I LOVE YOU... But I will NEVER BELIEVE this divide... I am not buying it.

I love this country as much as you do my friend... I am not even thinking about "DIVIDING IT"...

Please Pay Attention To The True Issues... I Know You Can And Will.

Hugs Maggie

Maggie, maybe you can tell me too. I sometimes don't get it. Or slow to get it. The country is divided. I think it's ideology. They are different. But again I will submit that what is missing is critical thinking. People are believing what they hear and see on TV and sometimes I just don't buy it. So I seek and seek. I don't think there are many of of left that truly want to think and seek. I see a lot here on this forum. Never have I wrote in forums until the dinar phenomenon. Some people are pros at this. I'm just a person who is opinionated and people let me do it. Yeah, I am a nut.

[Maggie123]

Maggie, are you smiling? You don't sound like it. Who is "we" and when are these "we" taking over the earth? What do they want? Prepare for what? Are you just going off? I hope your smiling. I am a believer and I think your not. I think we already had this conversation. And we respect each other. My husband is agnostic, heaven forbid if I say athiest again. He would correct me. So who's taking over, what are they taking over, and when do I prepare? I'm so confused! Ah, I got it. The bankers. heck they've already taken over. It just hasn't totally taken affect yet.

No Uncirculd I'm Not Smiling Dear...

Your on to something with the "banksters".

Sorry if I offended you Uncircled.. I value our friendship and all your post that have have been guiding me for quite a while.

Thanks Again... Hugs, Maggie

PS. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Edited November 14, 2012 by Maggie123

[Maggie123]

Calm Down... Here is MY Point...

The Patriot Act is a Huge Threat against us...

The Fed Reserve is TANKING OUR DOLLAR at the tune (hi~ ho~ hi ~ho ~off to work we go) of $40 BILLION Dollars a month, going to be $80 Billion in Jan.

So Let's keep our eye on the ball "over here" (Romney Loss) and nobody will notice.

GREAT... JUST BRILIANT

I STAND BY THIS REPLY

First, I'd like to know how the former (first) quote validates the second quote? It doesn't.

nor•mal

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adjective

1.

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Look everyone…aren’t we lucky? We have the one person who is solely responsible and able, nay, the living embodiment of the determining state of “normal” here, right here on Dinarvets!!! Gosh, I’m awestruck.

Thank God I’m abnormal.

[jeepguy]

hhahahhahahaha ------ you guys and gals i lived in texas , dallas area in the 80`s and 90`s { uhhhhhhh not 1890`s } this going off alone has been going on even back then ,, there is what over 50 million plus in texas ,, don`t think it will happen { split apart } but when you live in texas , and drive out of texas on a trip somewhere ,, when you arrive back in texas from that trip ,,, there is a pretty nice feeling can`t explane it just really a state of mind and knowing your texas i guess ... { the normal quotation } i do miss being there just my chatter for the off topic point of view ,,, anyone have a brick from the wall of texas they were going too build back in the 80`s mine is still in basement i`ll have too post a photo of it i guess ---- peace folks and lets get back too helping each other

[dinar_stud]

Texas v. White, 1869 says that Texas is allowed to leave the U.S. with consent from other states. When Texas joined the union, we kept some of our own laws from the Republic of Texas, and weren't considered part of the "indissoluble" states. I believe the same applies to Hawaii.

You are so wrong about your legal precedents, as usual you edit and change the actual proof to fit yourself and your misguided beliefs.

Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede. In 1850 the state of Texas received $10,000,000 in federal government bonds in settlement of boundary claims. In 1861 the state seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. In 1862 the confederationist government of the state transferred the bonds to several private individuals in payment for Confederate military supplies. After the Civil War the Reconstruction state government filed a suit in the Supreme Court seeking to recover the bonds, then held by citizens of various states.

The suit contended that the transfer of the bonds was illegal because the bonds were not signed by the governor, as required by federal law. The defendants contended that, while a state may bring a suit in the Supreme Court, Texas had no such right in this case because it had seceded and, therefore, the federal law was not applicable at the time the bonds were transferred. The Supreme Court held that the intention of the Confederate States to secede meant that they had only temporarily lost privileges of Union membership but had not lost membership itself. Writing for the court, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase commented that the federal Constitution “in all its provisions looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” Thus, the Supreme Court decreed by law what the Union’s Civil War victory had effected by force, namely, the principle that no state may secede from the Union.

SOURCE

When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.

Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. If this were otherwise, the State must have become foreign, and her citizens foreigners. The war must have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.

SOURCE

The five to three decision, read on April 15, 1869, by Chief Justice S. P. Chase, held the Union to be indestructable and, thus, not dissoluble by any act of a state, the government, or the people. The court, therefore, repudiated the doctrine of state sovereignty, but it clearly supported the federal in contradistinction to a consolidated system of government, for the decision continues: "But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union, by no means, implies the loss of distinct and individual existence or of the right of self-government by the states."

SOURCE

Dinarmillionare you can make up your own reality, but you cannot make up your facts. You have misrepresented Texas V White and you are lying to yourself.

Edited November 14, 2012 by dinar_stud

[stonewall67]

COME AND TAKE IT

[DinarMillionaire]

You are so wrong about your legal precedents, as usual you edit and change the actual proof to fit yourself and your misguided beliefs.

Dinarmillionare you can make up your own reality, but you cannot make up your facts. You have misrepresented Texas V White and you are lying to yourself.

Hey smart guy. Go look at the last sentence of the third quote of your own stupid evidence.

"There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

Pick and choose whatever you wish, but you are too stupid, as usual, to read, other than what you want, to try to prove someone wrong. When you only prove yourself to be a fool.

Why waste time learning, when your ignorance is instantaneous?

[Maggie123]

Hey smart guy. Go look at the last sentence of the third quote of your own stupid evidence.

Ummm... Are There ANY Mods around here???

[Wassaap]

"Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..."

This is all I need to know, learned this in 1971 in Texas History from Mr. Tolivar...an esteemed black faculty member of grace and wisdom - with a great booming deep voice that reached for blocks when the windows were open. Back in those days we still had windows that opened.

Being Texas, I can say that we Texans have no problem leaving the rest of the country behind, politically. Texas has something like the 15th (?) largest economy in the world already, and even if it took awhile to negotiate treaties and re-establish international commerce...I have no doubt that these could be arranged while the people waited in a patient, self-reliant manner. Imagine! A peaceful transition! What a concept!

But I also know that the "Call girls" in Washington would not stand for it. How much violence would they pour upon the heads of Texans? We would all be ready at the boundary lines when the troops came, with deer rifles and shotguns and those handguns they've tried to take for years now...but it would literally be a battle of brother against brother all over again. Would it be worth it?

Time to stop arguing semantics, and make some decisions. Do we think we could convince Washington to let us go peacefully? Could we take steps to DISTANCE ourselves from Washington's laws? Are we going to start negotiating our own trade agreements, treaties, and alliances? Develop a military? Could we stop a federal incursion? How much blood do we want to spill?

Anybody got a link to this petition? I agree that if nothing else, we need to let our leaders know that we are not happy. There needs to be something for the history books.

[Maggie123]

Ummm... Are There ANY Mods around here???

I saw You Texas Granny... So you clean up his post for him? Isn't That Special.

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*****STOP IT Maggie**********

DM requested I make the changes for him. He realized his post was a violation

and could not edit it himself.

I would do the same for you!

So stop it --- do you just deliberately try to cause an uproar.

Edited November 14, 2012 by carlablum

[Maggie123]

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[parmenio]

Some facts and fiction for Texans who want state to secede from U.S.

WASHINGTON — More than 85,000 people have signed an electronic petition to the White House asking President Barack Obama to allow Texas to ”withdraw from the United States of America.”

In other words … SECESSION !!!!!

”To do so would protect its citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government,” the online petition states.

Texas patriotism, perhaps. But this secession business is not simply a social media exercise. It takes blood, sweat and tears — emphasis on the blood.

Here are some facts and frequently believed misconceptions about Texas secession:

Fact or fiction? As a condition of its admission to the Union, Texas was given the unilateral power to return to its former Lone Star Republic status if it so chose.

FICTION.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry is responsible for spreading this widely held misconception. Three years ago, he declared, ”When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we’d be able to leave if we decided to do that.”

That’s just plain not true.

Texas has no right to secede. The bottom line is that any state — or confederation of states — can illegally secede from the Union. But the result, as we discovered in 1861, is Civil War.

Fact or fiction: Texas is permitted to divide itself into five states.

FACT.

The 1845 Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas affirms Texas’ right to divide itself into five states if it chooses. Texas has never tested the treaty of annexation. But it is possible that 10 U.S. senators could, at some point, represent the current territory of Texas.

Fact or fiction: Rick Perry favors secession.

FICTION.

At a 2009 Tea Party event in Austin, Perry made news when he said he would understand why some people in Texas might want to leave our ”great Union.”

”If Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may came — what may come — out of that,” he said.

You know where that was leading. But the governor has never — ever — endorsed secession. And after the secession petition took off , Perry’s press secretary, Catherine Frazier, underscored his opposition to secession.

”Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our union and nothing should be done to change it,” she said. ”But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government.”

Fact or fiction: There is widespread support in Texas for secession.

FICTION.

Secession fervor south of the Red River? Not quite. More like a loud but small minority.

There hasn’t been any recent polling, but a 2009 Rasmussen Reports survey found that 31 percent of Texans say the state has a right to secede but just 18 percent of Texans would vote to secede from the U.S. if given a choice. Three-fourths of Texas citizens said they oppose secession.

That 18 percent figure is identical to the percentage of Americans who say they favor allowing their state or region to secede from the nation, according to a 2008 Zogby poll. So Texas is no more secessionist than, say, Alaska. Or Rhode Island.

Fact or fiction: Rick Perry is already the commander-in-chief of Texas Armed Forces.

FACT.

Although Perry is almost the only governor to describe himself that way, he is in fact the commander of the Texas National Guard, which includes 25,500 members of the Texas Army National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard and Texas State Guard. He also is the commander of the Texas Rangers.

But, as President Dwight Eisenhower proved when he integrated Little Rock’s Central High School more than five decades ago, the commander-in-chief in Washington can nationalize National Guard forces and require them to follow orders from the president, not the governor.

Fact or fiction: The Texas Legislature has the authority to nullify federal laws it dislikes.

FICTION.

Like secession, nullification is one of those extra-legal concepts that were hotly debated during the decades leading up to the Civil War. South Carolina provoked a constitutional crisis in 1832 by adopting an ”Ordinance of Nullification” to protest a protective tariff enacted by Congress. Federal lawmakers responded with a Force Bill empowering President Andrew Jackson to use military power against South Carolina, which in turn repealed its Ordinance of Nullification on March 11, 1833.

Nullification threats have occurred sporadically in the past 180 years, including states opposed to enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850. Today, some states are effectively nullifying federal drug laws by legalizing marijuana for medicinal or recreational purposes. And Republican legislators in states such as Texas are threatening to block enforcement of Obamacare. The issue may yet reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

By Richard S. Dunham,

As much as Perry has been "in your face" towards obama, he still is a GLOBALIST

[TPSprayduster]

As a Texican, I am not for secession. However, I did sign the petition. Why? Washington needs to understand the level of our displeasure! Texas has balanced its budget and made itself a friendly environment for business and innovation. Our federal government through its obtrusive intervention of over regulation continues to do the opposite. 1200 days I do believe without a budget...

If you are not for secession then why sign? No state is going to secede. All of conservatives are mad because obama won that is all what this hopola is all about. If the GOP decides to remain as the party of NO then we go over the cliff and who will the conservatives blame then? Sign a petition and then say you are not for it. That does not make sense.

[PowerGeneration]

not some lazy, non-hunting, liberals.

I am from Texas and who are you calling lazy? I hunted men in Iraq until I got hunted down by a mortar

This is what I call poking a hornets nest.People love to throw that word lib around with no recourse.

I am far from lazy my friend even with one arm I do more work than you will ever do.

Wanting to secede from the union just isnt the right thing to do.Now if you wanted to gather up a petition

to send to washington to voice our opinions I would be all for it.Not all Libs as you say are lazy

and I cant help I get a disability check and a microscopic one at that I guess you would take that from me as well.

Secede just because your man didnt win wow! Now if you called me a physco I would'nt be offended or even crazy

because I am.But lazy money taking moocher come and see me and tell me that to my face you might not

like what you see.Think people before you throw stuff out there.I am a proud Libertarian and if you want the

job done right you have to do it yourself.Now go hug a tree right now it will make you feel better about yourself

because without tree's you could'nt breath.Is the word Liberal and Libertarian the same thing?just lib for short

used for both? Yes I voted for O-Slammed-Ya whats wrong with that he is just another puppet that your so called

powers that be control just like mitt the money pitt.Its not nice to make fun of your man is it?All this over a

President if I was Obama I would just stand down and say OK mitt take over lets see what you can do.

Things would still be the same.He still would'nt have a budget to work with and where would he get that money

to work with two words (higher taxes) just like any other president would do.Our governemnt suks thats for sure.

but its all the presidents fault not the governments right?I dont know thats why I am asking.If each side veto's

each others proposals who's fault is that?Guess my mind is just LAZY too.

[umbertino]

I made a trip to Oregon. Lots of trees, big ones. Lots of rain. Yeah, I'm smiling. You only ticked off half of my neighborhood, the others are sleeping. I don't take things to heart much. I have a love for truth. I like to listen to everyone. It interest me. People in general are interesting.

Agreed.People are generally interesting and usually much more complex than what would appear on the surface ....

[SgtFuryUSCZ]

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TXGRANNY - MAGGIE just flipped us all off... can we put her in time out now?

It's so offensive and depressing, we can't stand it anymore.

Sarge'sGals - OUT.

Edited November 14, 2012 by SgtFuryUSCZ